*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

On 11/28/2023 at 7:08 PM, electrosoft said:

I wouldn't be surprised if in the spring we get a 4080TI if Nvidia can allocate enough defective AD102 dies to make it happen with 20GB.

 

 

 

Hmmm. Why not scrap the idea with 4080Ti's and rather use the defective AD102 dies for a new cut down 4090's for China? Would you want an real castrated 4090 fr4om Nvidia bro @Mr. Fox?😬 Maybe a couple of hundred USD cheaper than the real deal. 

 

Yup.... Nvidia still needs the gamers bro @electrosoft Nvidia hunt up and down how to maximixe profits.

 

The rumored GPU's specifications are unknown, but due to the US export guidelines, the RTX 4090 D will need to be less powerful than its outgoing counterpart. As a result, we will likely see the 4090 D coming with a lower TDP and a lower SM/core count to separate itself from the RTX 4090.

 

Nvidia reportedly creating new RTX 4090 D 'Dragon' GPU for China

On 11/28/2023 at 8:53 PM, Papusan said:

 

Yup, with the amount fully working AD102 chips they throw out I expect there will be quite amount defective die's that can't be used for REAL 4090's. What's better than use those for $1299 or even worse $1399 USD 4080Ti's  $1499 USD 4090 Castrated SKUs. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Would you want an real castrated 4090 fr4om Nvidia bro @Mr. Fox?😬 Maybe a couple of hundred USD cheaper than the real deal. 

Umm.

Nope.

I don't think so.

 

 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. Why not scrap the idea with 4080Ti's and rather use the defective AD102 dies for a new cut down 4090's for China? Would you want an real castrated 4090 fr4om Nvidia bro @Mr. Fox?😬 Maybe a couple of hundred USD cheaper than the real deal

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Umm.

Nope.

I don't think so.

 

 

 

Dang. Maybe you knew that Nvidia want same awful MSRP for this castrated 4090 card as for the real 4090's ? What if they shaved of 200$? More tempting? Let's..... Puke dance together😀

 

NVIDIA Cooks Up The GeForce RTX 4090 D GPU, Brings Flagship Gaming Back To China With Full US Compliancy
 

In terms of availability, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 D will be offered by AIC partners in China in the same way as the GeForce RTX 4090. Boxes and packages will clearly mention the new "D" label and prices are said to be similar to the GeForce RTX 4090 Non-D GPUs which retail at an MSRP of $1599 US or 12,999 RMB in China. The good thing is that NVIDIA's flagship gaming GPU is coming back to China which is great for gamers.

 

 

And here you can see bro @electrosoft Nvidia may re-use rest of their defective AD102 die's for overpriced castrated AI server-chips for China. So it looks damn dark if people still hope for a 4080Ti in 2025. None can beat Mr. Jensen regarding how to max out every drop of profits. Maybe Jensen will be the next Apple CEO ? He would fits this awful rotten company very well.

 

In addition to the RTX 4090 D, NVIDIA is also prepping several other AI-specific GPUs for China which are expected to launch in early 2024 so stay tuned for more information on those 

 

Btw. @electrosoftas you can see... AMD cancer everywhere. Here paired with the utter cancer from Dell Alienware. Yup, why spend more time with AMD? Do as bro @Mr. Fox Make a short process. Same as I did with AW. Say Goodbye and never look back! Not worthy your time and or money. 

 

 

Alienware M18 issues can be resolved by using older RX 7900M GPU drivers, despite software recommending updates

 

Hope you enjoy my content bro @ryan😊

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Why not scrap the idea with 4080Ti's and rather use the defective AD102 dies for a new cut down 4090's for China? Would you want an real castrated 4090 fr4om Nvidia bro @Mr. Fox?😬 Maybe a couple of hundred USD cheaper than the real deal. 

 

Yup.... Nvidia still needs the gamers bro @electrosoft Nvidia hunt up and down how to maximixe profits.

 

The rumored GPU's specifications are unknown, but due to the US export guidelines, the RTX 4090 D will need to be less powerful than its outgoing counterpart. As a result, we will likely see the 4090 D coming with a lower TDP and a lower SM/core count to separate itself from the RTX 4090.

 

Nvidia reportedly creating new RTX 4090 D 'Dragon' GPU for China

 

 

Wow, price creep the 4090 upward, offer a cut down variant of the 4090 for effectively the same price of the 4090 at launch.

 

Maybe we'll see the 4090 Dragon over here for $1599 then Nvidia can hog all the AD102 4090 normal and full fat dies for AI cards.....we're so lucky.  🤣

[electrosoft]

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Btw. @electrosoftas you can see... AMD cancer everywhere. Here paired with the utter cancer from Dell Alienware. Yup, why spend more time with AMD? Do as bro @Mr. Fox Make a short process. Same as I did with AW. Say Goodbye and never look back! Not worthy your time and or money. 

 

 

Alienware M18 issues can be resolved by using older RX 7900M GPU drivers, despite software recommending updates

 

Hope you enjoy my content bro @ryan😊

 

No thank you. I'm glad AMD is in the mix and at least keeping Intel a bit more honest than Nvidia, but my 2-3 month adventure with their GPUs has come to an end.

 

This extends to laptops too.

 

I'm not saying I hugged and kissed my 4090, but playing WoW today versus the 7900XTX this last week and not having all the problems and issues......I was REAL close to it! 🤣

 

 

[ryan]

I won't knock the hustle

 

these are the pair most common with console jockeys

 

then the die hards

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Maybe we'll see the 4090 Dragon over here for $1599 then Nvidia can hog all the AD102 4090 normal and full fat dies for AI cards.....we're so lucky 🤣

 

I'm not sure why bro @Mr. Fox was so damn negative to the refreshed 4090's. They will perform better than the even more castrated 4080's. Better than nothing... Huuuu

 

Leaker says Nvidia's RTX 4090D to use AD102-250 GPU to comply with US export regulations

The RTX 4090 carries the AD102-300/AD102-301 GPU. The RTX 4090D looks set to be based on a significantly cut-down AD102-250 processor. At this point it's hard to say how the GeForce RTX 4090Dragonisgusting will stack up against possible GeForce RTX 4080 Ti or GeForce RTX 4080 Super products, but it will likely sit higher up the GPU benchmarks hierarchy. It will also likely cost quite a bit more that a 4080 refresh.

13 hours ago, ryan said:

I won't knock the hustle

 

these are the pair most common with console jockeys

 

then the die hards

 

This is die hards or shall we say hardcore😄 But sad I couldn't see it in «all black». Only pastel puke show. But some stupids destroy the all black look. Can't be more stupid than that outside jumping on the new 4090D graphics cards. Not sure whats worse, HaHa

 

 

Btw. Microsoft try to please the performance PC enhusiasts... Yup, the latest Insider build from the Redmond suckers includes a mode that sacrifices performance for energy savings.

 

Windows 11's new energy saver mode in Insider builds limits background activities to increase battery life tomshardware.com

 

Starting with this build (Build 26002), we are introducing energy saver, which extends and enhances battery saver. It is an easy way to extend battery life and reduce energy use by trading off some system performance. It can be toggled on and off via Quick Settings in the system tray or configured to run automatically whenever the device reaches a certain battery percentage. While optimized to extend battery life, energy saver will be available when PCs are plugged in (this includes desktop PCs) for those aiming to conserve energy all the time.

Microsoft starts testing new Windows 11 Energy Saver feature

Microsoft has started testing a new Windows 11 Energy Saver feature that helps customers extend their portable computers' battery life.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Cens has a few more binned 14900k's for sale but this time around the E-cores vid is not great. 1.304 on the SP102 and 1.314 on the SP106. SP106 also has an MC rating of 79 so I would definitely ask where that topped out for him.

 

Even back on 12900k, I found a good E-core vid could really enhance an overall chip for cooler running at stock or OC'ed

 

I would want a sub 1.3v E-core just for a bit of icing on the cake if possible on a good sample.

 

@tps3443 your SP107 is miles ahead of that SP106 on MC rating and E-core VID.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Cens has a few more binned 14900k's for sale but this time around the E-cores vid is not great. 1.304 on the SP102 and 1.314 on the SP106. SP106 also has an MC rating of 79 so I would definitely ask where that topped out for him.

 

Even back on 12900k, I found a good E-core vid could really enhance an overall chip for cooler running at stock or OC'ed

 

I would want a sub 1.3v E-core just for a bit of icing on the cake if possible on a good sample.

 

@tps3443 your SP107 is miles ahead of that SP106 on MC rating and E-core VID.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I saw that. I think that SP106 chip CENS is selling would be a really solid chip for someone. What I’m really curious is how those E-Cores compare. Because my 13900KS has a E-Core VID of 1.324 with SP86 E-Cores, but that’s for 4.3Ghz. So if that SP106 chip is SP85 E-Cores and a lower VID of 1.304V that’s gotta still be really good because that is 4.4Ghz. So, those are still some really really good E-Cores probably. Maybe SP95 equivalent for 13900KS? 

 

As for the IMC SP I think that’s the main issue being mcsp 79, but people say it’s about +3 compared to 13900KS so I’m sure it could still rock DDR5 8200-8400 easily. 
 

I think the SP106 he is selling is a winner though. Maybe not the best IMC. But strong chip. And it’s not too crazy expensive. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yes, I saw that. I think that SP106 chip CENS is selling would be a really solid chip for someone. What I’m really curious is how those E-Cores compare. Because my 13900KS has a E-Core VID of 1.324 with SP86 E-Cores, but that’s for 4.3Ghz. So if that SP106 chip is SP85 E-Cores and a lower VID of 1.304V that’s gotta still be really good because that is 4.4Ghz. So, those are still some really really good E-Cores probably. Maybe SP95 equivalent for 13900KS? 

 

As for the IMC SP I think that’s the main issue being mcsp 79, but people say it’s about +3 compared to 13900KS so I’m sure it could still rock DDR5 8200-8400 easily. 
 

I think the SP106 he is selling is a winner though. Maybe not the best IMC. But strong chip. And it’s not too crazy expensive. 

My E-core SP97 chip is 1.264V at 5.6GHz. So, your SP95 E-core guess is probably very close. His $750 CPU is just a tiny bit better than my first 13900KS and the MCSP is the same (85). So, very decent but not a show stopper. Wouldn't be worth it for me, but for someone buying their first CPU or replacing a trashy sample, probably a good one to grab for $750. I wouldn't buy the other one for $1050. Too expensive in my opinion. Not a lot too expensive, but enough that I would pass. It is a better price than some of the insane greedy scalper prices we have seen.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My E-core SP97 chip is 1.264V at 5.6GHz. So, your SP95 E-core guess is probably very close. His $750 CPU is just a tiny bit better than my first 13900KS and the MCSP is the same (85). So, very decent but not a show stopper. Wouldn't be worth it for me, but for someone buying their first CPU or replacing a trashy sample, probably a good one to grab for $750. I wouldn't buy the other one for $1050. Too expensive in my opinion. Not a lot too expensive, but enough that I would pass. It is a better price than some of the insane greedy scalper prices we have seen.

Does your E-Core voltage change when you set it to 4.4Ghz? If so, what is it?

[electrosoft]

14 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yes, I saw that. I think that SP106 chip CENS is selling would be a really solid chip for someone. What I’m really curious is how those E-Cores compare. Because my 13900KS has a E-Core VID of 1.324 with SP86 E-Cores, but that’s for 4.3Ghz. So if that SP106 chip is SP85 E-Cores and a lower VID of 1.304V that’s gotta still be really good because that is 4.4Ghz. So, those are still some really really good E-Cores probably. Maybe SP95 equivalent for 13900KS? 

 

As for the IMC SP I think that’s the main issue being mcsp 79, but people say it’s about +3 compared to 13900KS so I’m sure it could still rock DDR5 8200-8400 easily. 
 

I think the SP106 he is selling is a winner though. Maybe not the best IMC. But strong chip. And it’s not too crazy expensive. 

 

 

Oh the SP106 is definitely a good chip but the E-core and MC score difference between your SP107 and it is pretty substantial for 1 ranking point. If the MC rating and E-cores had been better I would have contemplated picking it up but I know when I put my SP115 on my boy's system the MC was 92 along with a much superior e-core score of 1.264 so it was a hard pass.

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My E-core SP97 chip is 1.264V at 5.6GHz. So, your SP95 E-core guess is probably very close. His $750 CPU is just a tiny bit better than my first 13900KS and the MCSP is the same (85). So, very decent but not a show stopper. Wouldn't be worth it for me, but for someone buying their first CPU or replacing a trashy sample, probably a good one to grab for $750. I wouldn't buy the other one for $1050. Too expensive in my opinion. Not a lot too expensive, but enough that I would pass. It is a better price than some of the insane greedy scalper prices we have seen.

 

Ditto. For ~$1050 I would need better e cores and a better MC. Our 13900KS chips are very similar. My E-cores are SP97 but still 1.264 like yours at SP95 which in Asus speak means a rounding differential (IE 1.26350 vs 1.26449).

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh the SP106 is definitely a good chip but the E-core and MC score difference between your SP107 and it is pretty substantial for 1 ranking point. If the MC rating and E-cores had been better I would have contemplated picking it up but I know when I put my SP115 on my boy's system the MC was 92 along with a much superior e-core score of 1.264 so it was a hard pass.

 

 

Ditto. For ~$1050 I would need better e cores and a better MC. Our 13900KS chips are very similar. My E-cores are SP97 but still 1.264 like yours at SP95 which in Asus speak means a rounding differential (IE 1.26350 vs 1.26449).

 

Few things I want to mention why that chip would still be an utter monster though,  not for You / Or @Mr. Foxthough lol. And someone would absolutely want to negotiate a better price if someone did buy it. Because it’s like 1,150 USD not including shipping 🤣
 

(1) The P-Cores are solid. It’s all good there.

 

(2) The E-Core VID is based on 4.4Ghz. So we can’t compare that to a 13900KS. 
 

The IMC is only MCSP79, but this is a 14900K so it’s a smidge better. So DDR5 8200+ is a done deal 100%. 
 

@Mr. Fox Below is a 14900K R batch with no delid and its E-Core E-SP is only 86 🫣! And that beast is chugging Y-Cruncher 2.5B at 4.9Ghz on the E-Cores 🤯🤯🤯. Its E-Core VID is 1.299V. I’ve tested a (SP117 Global) 13900KS with E-Core SP of 103 and I couldn’t get it to run at 4.9Ghz with my chiller and direct die no matter what I did 😞 This tells us that a E-Core 85 on a 14900K is more than enough.

 

I think 14th gen has seen a substantial improvement to the E-Core quality. 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

9 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Few things I want to mention why that chip would still be an utter monster though. But I’d want to negotiate a better price just because if someone did buy it. 
 

(1) The P-Cores are solid. It’s all good there.

 

(2) The E-Core VID is based on 4.4Ghz. So we can’t compare that to a 13900KS. 
 

The IMC is only MCSP79, but this is a 14900K so it’s a smidge better. So DDR5 8200+ is a done deal 100%. 
 

@Mr. Fox Below is a 14900K R batch with no delid and its E-Core E-SP is only 86 🫣! And that beast is chugging Y-Cruncher 2.5B at 4.9Ghz on the E-Cores 🤯🤯🤯. Its E-Core VID is 1.299V. I’ve tested a (SP117 Global) 13900KS with E-Core SP of 103 and I couldn’t get it to run at 4.9Ghz with my chiller and direct die no matter what I did 😞 This tells us that a E-Core 85 on a 14900K is more than enough.

 

I think 14th gen has seen a large improvement to the E-Core quality. 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Yep already mentioned it's a solid chip. 🙂

 

2. Of course you can as I've tested my E-cores at 4.4 with no change. 4.6 is when they start to need more doing some basic CB23 testing.

 

3.  I haven't seen any concrete data showing a lower MC score on a 14900k translates to a higher MC score on 13900k or 13900ks in any meaningful way.

 

And even with MC scores, as we know, testing is the best approach. With that being said, with my MC score of 92, I wasn't surprised I was posting at 8800 on the Strix without changing anything on the CPU side knowing the MC score before I started and watching the memory or MB give up the ghost (I was asking an awful lot of the Strix z790i which is only rated up to 7600+ or MSI Z790i Edge rated up to 8000+) and watching singular slots fail at different points.

 

Don't worry bro. 🙂 Your chip is solid and worth every cent you paid! Looking forward to your results. What's the ETA for its arrival?

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

1. Yep already mentioned it's a solid chip. 🙂

 

2. Of course you can as I've tested my E-cores at 4.4 with no change. 4.6 is when they start to need more doing some basic CB23 testing.

 

3.  I haven't seen any concrete data showing a lower MC score on a 14900k translates to a higher MC score on 13900k or 13900ks in any meaningful way.

 

And even with MC scores, as we know, testing is the best approach. With that being said, with my MC score of 92, I wasn't surprised I was posting at 8800 on the Strix without changing anything on the CPU side knowing the MC score before I started and watching the memory or MB give up the ghost (I was asking an awful lot of the Strix z790i which is only rated up to 7600+ or MSI Z790i Edge rated up to 8000+) and watching singular slots fail at different points.

 

Don't worry bro. 🙂 Your chip is solid and worth every cent you paid! Looking forward to your results. What's the ETA for its arrival?

 

 

I always have fun looking at VID and SP ratings, and then speculate with mental overclocking on how good something may be. I’ve always enjoyed doing this. But who even knows how good any of these chips may be in real life haha. 
 

I got a masters degree in speculation man 🤣 

 

[ryan]

Anyone keeping up with AI>?

 

its getting pretty advanced, heres a simple poem about rgb lights hard to  believe a computer program created it

 

With apologies to Edgar Allan Poe,
A tale of tech I now unfold,
A mockery of RGB lights, so bright,
On computers, oh so bold.

Once upon a midnight dreary,
While I pondered, weak and weary,
Suddenly there came a sight,
That made me laugh with all my might.

A computer, decked with lights,
In rainbow hues, a wondrous sight,
But oh, the colors, how they clashed,
Like a discordant symphony, so rashed.

The red, the green, the blue, so bright,
Like a traffic light, a warning in sight,
But not a single color, pure and true,
Just a mishmash, an eyesore, anew.

I chuckled at the silly sight,
This RGB display, a sorry plight,
A fashion statement, oh so dire,
A cry for help, a burning fire.

The lights, they flashed and twirled,
A disco ball, a mad whirl,
But not a single thought, profound or wise,
Just a gimmick, a marketing guise.

Oh, how I laughed, with glee and cheer,
At this ridiculous display, so queer,
A computer, once a noble tool,
Now reduced to a foolish rule.

But then, a thought, so strange and new,
Came to me, as I laughed anew,
Perhaps, in this mad world we live,
The RGB lights, a symbol, we must give.

A symbol of our times, so bright,
A beacon, shining with all its might,
A message, loud and clear,
That we are here, and we are queer.

So let us embrace, this strange display,
And laugh, and dance, and play,
For in the end, it's just a game,
And RGB lights, a silly, silly claim.

[Mr. Fox]

On 12/1/2023 at 2:03 AM, tps3443 said:

Does your E-Core voltage change when you set it to 4.4Ghz? If so, what is it?

Hey Brother... Unless you are referring to information visible somewhere else, the P-core and E-core VID on the AI Settings page does not change. I already have the E-cores set at 4.7GHz and that is what it shows and it never changes based on the actual settings applied because manual settings are not AI Optimized. None of the values under AI Optimized Settings has anything to do with the settings applied unless you elect to go with ASUS AI Optimized overclocking, and if you do that the settings shown here are what gets applied.

 

Let me know if you are wanting me to look elsewhere.

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hey Brother... Unless you are referring to information visible somewhere else, the P-core and E-core VID on the AI Settings page does not change. I already have the E-cores set at 4.7GHz and that is what it shows and it never changes based on the actual settings applied because manual settings are not AI Optimized. None of the values under AI Optimized Settings has anything to do with the settings applied unless you elect to go with ASUS AI Optimized overclocking, and if you do that the settings shown here are what gets applied.

 

Let me know if you are wanting me to look elsewhere.

 

 

Let's say you leave everything stock then scale up bin by bin on the Ecores from 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 etc... we're not looking for vmin or giving it a bit more juice and just want to isolate the e-cores.

 

Pick something like CB23 (or CB15, RealBench, etc...)

 

At what point at stock do they give up the ghost?

At what point at stock do they start to pull more reported voltage? If so, how much?

 

When I was testing my vcore scaling independently (which I do for P-cores, Ring, E-cores), I found my E-cores didn't pull a little more till 4.5 and 4.6 was where it was a tangible difference and 4.7 where they finally started to need a little more juice.

 

Your E-cores report the same as mine basically but your E-SP rating is more inline with ~1.275ish so something is amiss

 

@tps3443 Do you have a screenshot of the BIOS readouts for that SP117 you delidded for a board member?

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Let's say you leave everything stock then scale up bin by bin on the Ecores from 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 etc... we're not looking for vmin or giving it a bit more juice and just want to isolate the e-cores.

 

Pick something like CB23 (or CB15, RealBench, etc...)

 

At what point at stock do they give up the ghost?

At what point at stock do they start to pull more reported voltage? If so, how much?

 

When I was testing my vcore scaling independently (which I do for P-cores, Ring, E-cores), I found my E-cores didn't pull a little more till 4.5 and 4.6 was where it was a tangible difference and 4.7 where they finally started to need a little more juice.

 

Your E-cores report the same as mine basically but your E-SP rating is more inline with ~1.275ish so something is amiss

 

@tps3443 Do you have a screenshot of the BIOS readouts for that SP117 you delidded for a board member?

 

So, you're talking about what shows in HWiNFO64 then, not the BIOS, correct?

[Clamibot]

On 11/7/2023 at 10:35 AM, Papusan said:

Testers/reviewers need to use the right hardware for their testing. Etc. You don't use an hammer if you fasten screws @Rage Set😂

 

 

https://www.igorslab.de/community/threads/schmorende-header-an-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090-neue-erkenntnisse-messungen-und-un-bekannte-ursachen-zum-12vhpwr-und-12v-2x6-problem.8967/post-243355

 

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Intel Kills Off Its Chip-Freezing Cryo Cooling Technology tomshardware.com

As spotted by hardware detective momomo_us, Intel stopped working on the Cryo Cooling Technology as of July 1. Nonetheless, the chipmaker will continue distributing functional, security, and other miscellaneous updates until December 31, 2023. After that, owners of Cryo Cooling Technology products will potentially be left in the cold, with no support for newer Intel processors.

 

The thing with Intel's Cryo Cooling Technology is that it wasn't just about the hardware. Intel had envisioned it to be a small ecosystem comprised of software, firmware, and hardware working in harmony. The chipmaker's unexpected move to discontinue Cryo Cooling Technology puts its partners in a difficult predicament. Luckily, not many vendors had jumped on the Cryo Cooling hype train.

 

 

 

That's very disappointing as I really like my Cryo cooler from Cooler Master. Yeah it's super power inefficient, but it works very well (probably because I have a well binned 10900K), and doubles as making my desktop even more of a space heater during the winter. I was hoping to see these stick around so I could build a similar system as I have now in the future, and I was hoping to see more extreme cooling methods become mainstream. Man I am hooked on these lower temperatures to increase overclocking headroom!

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, you're talking about what shows in HWiNFO64 then, not the BIOS, correct?

 

yup, so to get an idea where your voltages land to see how they scale naturally. If you want, you can even set adaptive UV or fixed as long as it is consistent across all +1 bin scaling upwards but pure stock just gives you an idea of scaling.

 

30 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

That's very disappointing as I really like my Cryo cooler from Cooler Master. Yeah it's super power inefficient, but it works very well (probably because I have a well binned 10900K), and doubles as making my desktop even more of a space heater during the winter. I was hoping to see these stick around so I could build a similar system as I have now in the future, and I was hoping to see more extreme cooling methods become mainstream. Man I am hooked on these lower temperatures to increase overclocking headroom!

 

I can see you with a chiller one day 🙂

 

Laptop overclocking is fun and finally taming that NH55 to not thermal throttle with a 12900k was exciting but nothing compares to the options and freedom of desktop overclocking where the only limitations are your pocketbook, convenience and risk aversion.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Let's say you leave everything stock then scale up bin by bin on the Ecores from 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 etc... we're not looking for vmin or giving it a bit more juice and just want to isolate the e-cores.

 

Pick something like CB23 (or CB15, RealBench, etc...)

 

At what point at stock do they give up the ghost?

At what point at stock do they start to pull more reported voltage? If so, how much?

 

When I was testing my vcore scaling independently (which I do for P-cores, Ring, E-cores), I found my E-cores didn't pull a little more till 4.5 and 4.6 was where it was a tangible difference and 4.7 where they finally started to need a little more juice.

 

Your E-cores report the same as mine basically but your E-SP rating is more inline with ~1.275ish so something is amiss

 

@tps3443 Do you have a screenshot of the BIOS readouts for that SP117 you delidded for a board member?

 

 

 

 

 

I delidded and tested two different SP117’s from two different people. Unfortunately I was using a MSI Unify-X Z690 right at the time frame. So no bios VID’s.  

 

I did make videos of both chips though, if anything useful can be gathered from that. 

This was a (SP117 KS) This chip has P-SP128 P-Cores . It ran 6.0/4.8/5.1 with around 1.274V load. It was a really nice CPU but quickly ran out of steam. I even told him I had tested better with lower SP, and he actually sold it apparently and bought another high bin. 

 

 

P-SP124 (SP117) (This P-SP124 was far better and it would run 6.1P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.298V. This was a crazy expensive cpu from a Europe overclocker that a guy in the US bought. This chip was just very good. By far the best KS I have ever tested.  I made two videos on the P-SP124 chip. At 5.8Ghz and at 6.1Ghz. 

 

 

 

@electrosoft I know the P-SP124 KS had 5.8 VID of 1.369V. I forget the others though. My P-SP121 13900K had a 1.363V 5.8 VID and the KS would just obliterate it. It was no comparison. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I delidded and tested two different SP117’s from two different people. Unfortunately I was using a MSI Unify-X Z690 right at the time frame. So no bios VID’s.  

 

I did make videos of both chips though, if anything useful can be gathered from that. 

This was a (SP117 KS) This chip has P-SP128 P-Cores . It ran 6.0/4.8/5.1 with around 1.274V load. It was a really nice CPU but quickly ran out of steam. I even told him I had tested better with lower SP, and he actually sold it apparently and bought another high bin. 

 

 

P-SP124 (SP117) (This P-SP124 was far better and it would run 6.1P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.298V. This was a crazy expensive cpu from a Europe overclocker that a guy in the US bought. This chip was just very good. By far the best KS I have ever tested.  I made two videos on the P-SP124 chip. At 5.8Ghz and at 6.1Ghz. 

 

 

 

@electrosoft I know the P-SP124 KS had 5.8 VID of 1.369V. I forget the others though. My P-SP121 13900K had a 1.363V 5.8 VID and the KS would just obliterate it. It was no comparison. 

 

Nice! With all this backing data (and your 13900ks data), I can't wait to see your SP107 rock it out.

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nice! With all this backing data (and your 13900ks data), I can't wait to see your SP107 rock it out.

 

I know! I’m ready to test it. It should be crazy strong. That P-SP128 KS would manage 1.274V at 6.0P/4.8E which is still righteously good. While I have seen a SP103 R-batch 14900K with direct die and 14C water managing 1.205V. 
 

So, I think SUB 1.200V load voltage for 6Ghz is already going to be easy. And absolutely SUB 1.100V load for 5.8Ghz.
 

I have a waterblock that I cleaned up for it ready to go already lapped it flat. If I’m happy with it, I may not even delid it. It shouldn’t need it with 13-14C water. 

[electrosoft]

The "gift" that keeps on giving @Papusan