*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

my omen only has two slots so it maxes out at 16tb with the sabrents. Im likely to get it to 8tb with 2 4tb teamgroups.

 

im thinking of upgrading all my laptops storage to 4tb and up if possible when i get the money, Im liking my fire hd 10 13th gen tablet, i bought the 32gb then got a 128gb micro sd card and suprisingly it acts as a main drive on the fire tablet so now i can load apps and games ect to it without moving anything. downloading 86 apps and games that i will likely never touch but its there and it only used like 55 gb. i dont see why people buy chromebooks and tablets with more than 256gb. on a cell phone where you will be taking alot of pictures 1tb is nice. on a tablet or chromebook its unnessessary.

 

im super excited to get my money, the insurance company is paying me for a rental car usage for 2 months or more so 70-100 x 60 days = ryans new desktop lol.

 

bro my old score in pc mark was 5200 .. I upgraded ram to 64gb and ssd to 3tb and bought a cooler now im scoring 7002. thats a 36 percent increase off the top of my head

[Mr. Fox]

Games have become ludicrous space pigs. A 2TB drive won't hold that many games. It used to be music and movie files that gobbled up drive space, but they use very little space compared to modern games. So, not only is 8GB of VRAM very swiftly becoming unacceptably small and 16GB the new "basic" configuration, but you need gobs of storage if gaming is your gig. That is, unless you are a weirdo that enjoys downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, which is a waste of time and also has potential to degrade NAND storage if you do that excessively.

[ryan]

just lol

 

but back on track its looking like ill pick up a 4tb external ssd on boxing day as its dirt cheap. when i get my car money im buying you fellas a amazon gift card that i can pm to you

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

just lol

 

but back on track its looking like ill pick up a 4tb external ssd on boxing day as its dirt cheap. when i get my car money im buying you fellas a amazon gift card that i can pm to you

Make sure you get everything you need for your build, brother.  Seeing you build a nice desktop will be a happy thing for all of us. Friends are happiest when their friends are happy.

 

 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, ryan said:

just lol

 

but back on track its looking like ill pick up a 4tb external ssd on boxing day as its dirt cheap. when i get my car money im buying you fellas a amazon gift card that i can pm to you

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Make sure you get everything you need for your build, brother.  Seeing you build a nice desktop will be a happy thing for all of us. Friends are happiest when their friends are happy.

 

 

Like @Mr. Fox said, just build bro. 🙂 Focus all that into making a killer build for yourself and then come here and post away with it and doing comparisons and benchmarks vs your laptops. That's the ultimate gift.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I am starting this about half way through the video with the link below, but it is a pretty good demonstration of how the Arc A770 beats competitors in the same price range and competes directly with the more expensive RTX 3070 overall for content creation, especially video editing.

 

 

[ryan]

Thanks bros @electrosoft @Mr. Fox. I have never benchmarked desktop hardware so it's exciting but at the same time I worry. I wouldn't like to wreck the new desktop with my lack of knowledge 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Thanks bros @electrosoft @Mr. Fox. I have never benchmarked desktop hardware so it's exciting but at the same time I worry. I wouldn't like to wreck the new desktop with my lack of knowledge 

You shouldn't. Do it the right way. Not the wrong way😀 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Thanks bros @electrosoft @Mr. Fox. I have never benchmarked desktop hardware so it's exciting but at the same time I worry. I wouldn't like to wreck the new desktop with my lack of knowledge 

Even wrecking a laptop is difficult, but a desktop is harder to hurt. Heat is the biggest source of harm, and it is usually either caused by an inadequate cooling system or using more voltage than the part can handle. Even so, most CPUs and GPUs will throttle to protect themselves. It's memory that tends to misbehave the most because it crashes rather than throttling, or it won't boot with wrong settings and you have to clear the CMOS. It's doesn't harm anything, it is merely an inconvenience. 

 

AMD and NVIDIA (especially NVIDIA) have minimal voltage controls available, so that makes it harder to harm the parts, and an Arc GPU has LOTS of voltage control, but if you give it too much it just runs slower, which is also a safety mechanism.

 

Take your time. Learn to use the right tools. Make one or two changes at a time (so you can easily identify what you changed that caused instability) and you'll figure things out pretty quickly. It is extremely unlikely you will break anything by overclocking. You're more likely to screw up Windows than you are the hardware.

 

Watch this video @ryan (not suggesting you do this, merely showing that the hardware is not that fragile)

 

[ryan]

yeah im sure ill be able to push the system to its limits. I usually get number one spot for laptop hardware but in the desktop space it's more competitive. more people benching and doing unknown tweaks with magic samples. I think I want a nvidia gpu for dlls and fg but the a770 in raw performance is such a bargain. Im thinking of just skipping this generation but when is it a good time, you can always wait. I enjoy using the systems for the odd game and like longevity but at 3000 the 4090 will last longer but by how much 2500 dollars longer? i doubt the 4090 will be competitive in 4 years. by the time the a770 is obsolete the 4090 will be on its knees. technology is advancing so fast and what I dont know but assume is technology has advanced tremendously over the last 10 years. I think about a great gaming laptop with a miniled display or something portable but like iv'e learned with my time with laptops is its super rare to use it away from a desk, I will buy an oled tv or monitor and hook up the desktop to it and call it a day. everything is a farce as far as my perception goes but I cant change my reality from simply observing the seen. its hard to believe they are selling games that look 20-30 years old graphically and gameplay mechanics wise, but yeah ignorance is bliss and at the end of the day all that matters is money.

[Papusan]

The 4TB WD_Black SN850X NVMe SSD is back to its all time low price at Amazon

The 4TB WD_Black SN850X Gen4 NVMe SSD, with read speeds of up to 7,300 MB percent and with Microsoft's DirectStorage support, is discounted at Amazon at its all-time low price of just $229.95.

 

Here home... Cheapo $372.40 USD. Or +140$ above.

[KING19]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Games have become ludicrous space pigs. A 2TB drive won't hold that many games. It used to be music and movie files that gobbled up drive space, but they use very little space compared to modern games. So, not only is 8GB of VRAM very swiftly becoming unacceptably small and 16GB the new "basic" configuration, but you need gobs of storage if gaming is your gig. That is, unless you are a weirdo that enjoys downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, downloading, deleting, which is a waste of time and also has potential to degrade NAND storage if you do that excessively.

 

Because modern games uses a crazy amount of textures and currently on my system Forza 5 takes up the most space at 151GBs and it continues to go up with every update. The problem is worse with 2023 games using broken game engines like UE5 that uses crazy amount of resources with barely any changes in graphics and add the over relevance of DLSS/FSR/XeSS and Frame Gen to mask the problems.

 

@ryan Try not to go crazy with your build, Buy what you can afford now, you can always upgrade later and it'll be cheaper too.

[Mr. Fox]

 

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

So great to see the Z690 Dark still shining and pushing really great speeds! I really wish EVGA chose not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and abandon both GPUs and motherboards. 😞

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I really wish EVGA chose not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and abandon both GPUs and motherboards. 😞

 

 

They even abandon their one time great support nowadays. A weird way to cut costs before they go out of business. Yup, my advice a few days ago, to avoid their new PSUs/gears is still valid. Avoid, sinking ship. Sell all your EVGA gears on the used market before it's too late. Try grab back most of the money while you still can. 

 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

So great to see the Z690 Dark still shining and pushing really great speeds!

 

The Z690 gen motherboards was in short a tragedy so nice to see Evga's old Z690 kick ass and can be on level and above most of the newer gen Z790 boards.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So great to see the Z690 Dark still shining and pushing really great speeds! I really wish EVGA chose not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and abandon both GPUs and motherboards. 😞

Their business decisions have caused me to step back and evaluate things with a more critical eye, as it is causing a harmful ripple effect on the entire overclocking genre of PC enthusiasts. The best is no more with EVGA out of the game and now there is less competition, with nothing to deter the new best and second-best from doing things more half-assed than ever before.  And, they'll get away with that because of having no point of reckoning in the absence of competition. 

 

My expectation is that there will never be a company good enough to step up and fill their empty shoes and we will be left with what we are left with, which leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't fit my definition of being excellent or great... "good" at best, with sucky support and a raunchy experience if you end up getting a defective lemon.

[Papusan]

GTX 1070 Strix - GPUPI V3.2

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5438623_papusan_gpupi___32b_geforce_gtx_1070_18min_21sec_37ms?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5438637_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_gtx_1070_16sec_753ms?recalculate=true

 

@ryan🙂

 

GTX 1070 Strix - GPUPI V3.3

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5438689_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_1070_14sec_417ms?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5438692_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___32b_geforce_gtx_1070_15min_38sec_742ms?recalculate=true

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[Reciever]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I want one to play with. Dont need it for my main PC as I still have my 3090, and these are slower than the 5700XT's according to what I am reading but just interested in the product.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

Yup even more bang-for-buck if these disgusting prices below are correct.....🤮🤢🥴 Yes, I really hope this rumored prices is wrong. But it's Nvidia products, so.....

 

NVIDIA's announcement for the RTX 40 SUPER series is scheduled for CES 2024 on January 8, with detailed pricing and clock specifications yet to be released. The above data provides an initial understanding of the variations between each model. The estimated prices in USD, excluding VAT, are approximately $1,461 for the 4080S, $1,120 for the 4070TiS, and $885 for the 4070S.

 

Converted into Norwegian prices incl Tax.... $1826 for the 4080S, $1400 for the 4070TiS, and $1062 for the 4070S. Then add the currency exchange fees the retail take. Often up to 10% on top.

 

 

Is this a huge joke or real? I have to pay +$1062 for the cheaper 4070 Super. Nope, not in Hell. My 4090 HOF looks like better and better value for every months that come.

 

GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER: Technical Details Revealed - AD103 Silicon, 16GB Memory

Published 10 hours ago by Hilbert Hagedoorn

The RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is anticipated to feature 16 GB of memory, potentially using a 256-bit memory interface. This suggests the use of the larger AD103 silicon, as opposed to the AD104 silicon currently used in the RTX 4070 Ti. The RTX 4080 SUPER is also expected to have 16 GB of memory with a 256-bit interface, similar to the standard RTX 4080. This is achieved through the AD103 silicon, which allows for 76 out of 80 Stream Multiprocessors (SM) or 38 out of 40 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC) to be active.

 

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I want one to play with. Dont need it for my main PC as I still have my 3090, and these are slower than the 5700XT's according to what I am reading but just interested in the product.

 

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup even more bang for buck if these prices below are correct.....🤮🤢🥴 

 

NVIDIA's announcement for the RTX 40 SUPER series is scheduled for CES 2024 on January 8, with detailed pricing and clock specifications yet to be released. The above data provides an initial understanding of the variations between each model. The estimated prices in USD, excluding VAT, are approximately $1,461 for the 4080S, $1,120 for the 4070TiS, and $885 for the 4070S.

 

Converted int Norwegian prices.... $1826 for the 4080S, $1400 for the 4070TiS, and $1062 for the 4070S

 

Is this a huge joke or real? I have to pay $1062 for the 4070 Super. Nope. Not in Hell

 

GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER: Technical Details Revealed - AD103 Silicon, 16GB Memory

Published 10 hours ago by Hilbert Hagedoorn  1

The RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is anticipated to feature 16 GB of memory, potentially using a 256-bit memory interface. This suggests the use of the larger AD103 silicon, as opposed to the AD104 silicon currently used in the RTX 4070 Ti. The RTX 4080 SUPER is also expected to have 16 GB of memory with a 256-bit interface, similar to the standard RTX 4080. This is achieved through the AD103 silicon, which allows for 76 out of 80 Stream Multiprocessors (SM) or 38 out of 40 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC) to be active.

 

What makes them particularly compelling is value and the sense of actually getting what you pay for, (which is rare today,) or maybe even a little extra depending on the type of workload; versus paying a whole lot of money only to get so little in return. We would not expect a $200 or $300 GPU to perform like one that cost $1000+ but we shouldn't be happy about paying $1500 for a GPU that performs like a $750 GPU. And, why would anyone feel good about an expensive new GPU that has inadequate memory capacity and a crippled memory bus? But, it is very easy to be happy about paying $200-$300 for a GPU that performs on par with one that costs $100-$200 more.

[Papusan]

Isn't it cute? Confirmed, Nvidia can sell GPUs with +12% less cores for the same prices. Hmmm.... Wonder how many top binned AD102 dies will go into the Defective version of 4090 for the Chineese market. The newborn 4090 Defective will most likely also go into the Chineese AI Servers. And where will an possible 4080 Ti for the Global market fits into this? @electrosoft😀 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-nvidia-rtx-4090d-to-launch-today-with-reduced-tensor-core-specs

 

 

[Reciever]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

What makes them particularly compelling is value and the sense of actually getting what you pay for, (which is rare today,) or maybe even a little extra depending on the type of workload; versus paying a whole lot of money only to get so little in return. We would not expect a $200 or $300 GPU to perform like one that cost $1000+ but we shouldn't be happy about paying $1500 for a GPU that performs like a $750 GPU. And, why would anyone feel good about an expensive new GPU that has inadequate memory capacity and a crippled memory bus? But, it is very easy to be happy about paying $200-$300 for a GPU that performs on par with one that costs $100-$200 more.

I also like to know, or at least have some inclination of what I am talking about. A lot of people come to me at work or people I mingle with online know that I am a system builder and tinker more than I should. As such, I generally get a lot of inquiries about building PC's so i'll recommend some things based on some criteria.

 

Due to that, I like what I have been hearing about ARC, but have no experience with it. Would love to be able to recommend it for some people without the caveat of second hand knowledge. Might be a while though :( Too many projects and not enough human I/O lol

[Clamibot]

Hey guys, I recently got ahold of a 1.5 TB Optane 905P SSD for christmas and have been loving it so far, except for one really strange issue I've been having. The drive is very fast in of itself, but the dedicated Optane drivers significantly decrease performance over the default Windows storage device drivers (my game build times INCREASE by about 27.5%). According to individuals on the Level1Techs forums (which is where I got the driver from), the driver is supposed to significantly increase performance.

 

For anyone on this forum that has experience with Optane, is there a specific driver verison I should be using with the 905P to maximize its performance?

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Hey guys, I recently got ahold of a 1.5 TB Optane 905P SSD for christmas and have been loving it so far, except for one really strange issue I've been having. The drive is very fast in of itself, but the dedicated Optane drivers significantly decrease performance over the default Windows storage device drivers (my game build times INCREASE by about 27.5%). According to individuals on the Level1Techs forums (which is where I got the driver from), the driver is supposed to significantly increase performance.

 

For anyone on this forum that has experience with Optane, is there a specific driver verison I should be using with the 905P to maximize its performance?

I am not sure that I know of anyone that uses Optane. You might be the first. There may be some that never mentioned it. Though I haven't messed with it personally, isn't there a BIOS option that has to be enabled for it to function correctly? Are you using it for caching or for ordinary storage?

 

As a side note, the only real difference between Z690 and Z790 is Intel eliminated Optane technology and used the PCIe lanes for other purposes. They stopped supporting it because Optane never got much traction/popularity.