*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

As you may recall, I had one. The issue was not build quality. The problem was the block not making proper contact with the die. If I had to guess what went wrong, they were probably exercising more caution than they should have to avoid the block putting too much pressure on the die and breaking it, and that caused contact to be insufficient in some installations. Even Kit Guru had to mill down their test prototype to obtain proper die contact because of that. I could see the fear of inexperienced users breaking their CPUs by improper installation might be a concern for them, but it needs to work right and working right requires solid contact and enough pressure to compress the CPU into the socket firmly, not barely making contact or not at all.

 

Some people had good results with theirs and others (like me) had terrible results. They released an updated CPU frame and cold plate that I understand corrected the problem. I did not want to deal with the nonsense of them releasing a product that was not ready and needed more work, so I opted for a refund instead of playing the part of guinea pig. Time will tell if they learned what they needed to change and corrected their mistakes on the AIO. If they did, then this direct die AIO should be a great product. If they did not, it will be evident right away.

 

This is a very much-needed product and I hope they made it right so that the block makes good contact with the die. If it works well, this will be a real game-changer for a lot of people and copycat products will likely follow. The release of a direct die AIO is long overdue. I am happy to see them making the effort. I'm sure that an AM5 version would be appreciated by our AMD friends as well.

 

Same with AMD. Nothing wrong with their GPU's build quality. But does that mean the product is flawless or good quality? Nope. Nothing is stronger than the weak link. You can have fantastic build quality but the product can still fail.

 

NEWS

Nightingale removes AMD's FSR 3 pre-launch for crashing too much

A highly anticipated game scraps the AMD tech before release…and FSR 3 is still only available in a tiny amount of games. What's going on?

 

 

On 2/15/2024 at 10:19 AM, electrosoft said:

Still a hot mess crashing left and right as always. It has been 13+ months since I first started testing 7900XTX cards in WoW, and the problems have actually gotten worse!

 

See bolded text above😆

 

 

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I woke up, and this was on my porch. These come straight from China it looks like. Working perfect!! And yes I got my free mouse pad I have been waiting for. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Congrats bro @tps3443 Looking good.  Hope you'll be happy with the new card. Looking forwards to your findings 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Same with AMD. Nothing wrong with their GPU's build quality. But does that mean the product is flawless? Nope. Nothing is stronger than the weak link. You can have fantastic build quality but the product can still fail.

Correct. That is the part we do not know yet. Because it is made by EK I expect the build quality to be superior, but whether it works well is to be determined. Under most circumstances it would be safe to assume if it is made by EK it is going to be excellent (fittings, radiators, etc.) but things like this require very precise fit, with some degree of flexibility for variance between installation scenarios without losing any performance. It is more difficult to execute. And, it has to be idiot-proof, easy to install and with good instructions so that an average user can install it without breaking anything.

 

Alienware provides a good example of excellent build quality with poor performance and flawed design.

[tps3443]

I just tested my MSI 4080 Super Suprim X in games. 

 

I ran God Of war at 1080P/1440P/2160P.

 

”God Of War”

100% fan @1080P 41C GPU temps 235-255 watts. 
100% fan @1440P 43C GPU temps 255-275 watts.

100% fan @2160P 45C GPU temps 275-305 watts.

GPU usage was peaking at all resolutions. With frame rates of 150 FPS to 300 FPS. 

 

The cooler on this Suprim X is CRAZY how well it performs. I’m seriously amazed. This GPU performs like some water cooled graphics card almost. 

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Hmmm. Not exactly brand new black crocs. This scammer have no class😆 The pair of women's shoes inside weren't even new, as they seemed to have been used... no graphics card, and a worn-down pair of women's shoes. Scam.

 

 

Vietnamese buyer scammed: buys RTX 3060 Ti, gets a pair of womens shoes instead

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/96315/vietnamese-buyer-scammed-buys-rtx-3060-ti-gets-pair-of-womens-shoes-instead/index.html

 

welp i guess if u got the right kind of kink ud be super happy about worn women's shoes?! 😄 

 

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I woke up, and this was on my porch. These come straight from China it looks like. Working perfect!! And yes I got my free mouse pad I have been waiting for. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

admit it, u only bought it for the mousepad!

 

6 hours ago, Raiderman said:

We'll have to do some comparison benching when you get it dialed.

 

yes please, bench those mousepads! 😄 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I just tested my MSI 4080 Super Suprim X in games. 

 

I ran God Of war at 1080P/1440P/2160P.

 

”God Of War”

100% fan @1080P 41C GPU temps 235-255 watts. 
100% fan @1440P 43C GPU temps 255-275 watts.

100% fan @2160P 45C GPU temps 275-305 watts.

GPU usage was peaking at all resolutions. With frame rates of 150 FPS to 300 FPS. 

 

The cooler on this Suprim X is CRAZY how well it performs. I’m seriously amazed. This GPU performs like some water cooled graphics card almost. 

 

indeed the Suprim X coolers are quite capable. iirc they use the same cooler on both the 4090 and 4080 suprim skus 🙂 so u basically got a 600+ W TDP gpu cooler on a 300W gpu 😄 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Congrats on your new toy. I wonder what the uplift in crysis remastered will be, and starfield should run at a locked 60fps at 4k. You should be able to do 8k/60 in forza horizon 5, which i'd like to say is one of the best looking games out.

The 4080 Super is mind blowing fast. Especially for how efficient it is. If you opt for 1080P with “High” settings this is a 300FPS GPU. If you run 4K with “High” settings it will provide 150+ FPS. Now, notice I said high settings. Some games have the Ultra or Extreme graphics settings which will reduce that substantially. It is extremely fast though. I really like it. 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Congrats bro @tps3443 Looking good.  Hope you'll be happy with the new card. Looking forwards to your findings 🙂

Another amazing MSI product! 

 

14 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

admit it, u only bought it for the mousepad!

 

 

yes please, bench those mousepads! 😄 

 

 

indeed the Suprim X coolers are quite capable. iirc they use the same cooler on both the 4090 and 4080 suprim skus 🙂 so u basically got a 600+ W TDP gpu cooler on a 300W gpu 😄 

The mouse pad was a big selling point even though it seems small or silly to most. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in Walmart and almost bought a new Gaming mouse pad. But I put it back on the shelf simply because I didn’t want to waste the $30 dollars on it. So MSI forced one on me. 
 

As for the GPU, it’s easily the nicest air cooled GPU I have ever owned. It’s perfectly silent. No coil whine, no fan noise, and it barely warms up. This is what I wanted from the start. The cooler is overbuilt and very effective. 

[jaybee83]

30 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The 4080 Super is mind blowing fast. Especially for how efficient it is. If you opt for 1080P with “High” settings this is a 300FPS GPU. If you run 4K with “High” settings it will provide 150+ FPS. Now, notice I said high settings. Some games have the Ultra or Extreme graphics settings which will reduce that substantially. It is extremely fast though. I really like it. 

 

Another amazing MSI product! 

 

The mouse pad was a big selling point even though it seems small or silly to most. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in Walmart and almost bought a new Gaming mouse pad. But I put it back on the shelf simply because I didn’t want to waste the $30 dollars on it. So MSI forced one on me. 
 

As for the GPU, it’s easily the nicest air cooled GPU I have ever owned. It’s perfectly silent. No coil whine, no fan noise, and it barely warms up. This is what I wanted from the start. The cooler is overbuilt and very effective. 

 

agreed on all points. and i regularly use the mouse pad, too 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I just tested my MSI 4080 Super Suprim X in games. 

I ran God Of war at 1080P/1440P/2160P.

”God Of War”

100% fan @1080P 41C GPU temps 235-255 watts. 
100% fan @1440P 43C GPU temps 255-275 watts.

100% fan @2160P 45C GPU temps 275-305 watts.

GPU usage was peaking at all resolutions. With frame rates of 150 FPS to 300 FPS. 

The cooler on this Suprim X is CRAZY how well it performs. I’m seriously amazed. This GPU performs like some water cooled graphics card almost. 

Awesome. Glad to hear you got a solid sample.

 

I am not sure what is going on with your text. Did you copy and paste from somewhere else? The color of the font is almost the same as the background and I have to highlight the text to read it. This happens with things @Papusanposts often as well. I have to change to the ugly white eyeball-searing default unisex theme to read the text or highlight it with my mouse.

In the post quoted above I cut the text from the post and pasted it again as plain text. Screenshot below shows what I see with the original formatting using the forum Dark Bravo 6 theme.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. Glad to hear you got a solid sample.

 

I am not sure what is going on with your text. Did you copy and paste from somewhere else? The color of the font is almost the same as the background and I have to highlight the text to read it. This happens with things @Papusanposts often as well. I have to change to the ugly white eyeball-searing default unisex theme to read the text or highlight it with my mouse.

In the post quoted above I cut the text from the post and pasted it again as plain text. Screenshot below shows what I see with the original formatting using the forum Dark Bravo 6 theme.

 

 

 

I think it’s a good sample or just maybe the amazing air cooling it has lol. But I overclocked the GPU to 3,000Mhz core with no effort at all, ran 25,600 GDDR6X and the temps and power usage are practically the same as stock. 
 

It does feel like there’s some sort of artificial wall going past 3,000Mhz though unless that’s just the temp limit knocking it back down.
 

[Talon]

4 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think it’s a good sample or just maybe the amazing air cooling it has lol. But I overclocked the GPU to 3,000Mhz core, and  25,600 GDDR6X and the temps and power usage are practically the same as stock. 
 

It does feel like there’s some sort of artificial wall at 3,000Mhz though.
 

 

Looks like a good sample. That is +1300 on the VRAM? That seems pretty spot on average for VRAM OC on 4080 Supers. Seems they begin to really run out of memory OC ability around there. Still a great memory OC. Still blows my mind that I'm able to overclock my 4070 Super 21gbps memory all the way to 26.4gbps max. I wish I had that memory on my 4090. Honestly if I had 2 4070 Super cards with good memory I would consider getting the vram chips removed and put on my 4090. Create my own 4090 Super lol. 

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Looks like a good sample. That is +1300 on the VRAM? That seems pretty spot on average for VRAM OC on 4080 Supers. Seems they begin to really run out of memory OC ability around there. Still a great memory OC. Still blows my mind that I'm able to overclock my 4070 Super 21gbps memory all the way to 26.4gbps max. I wish I had that memory on my 4090. Honestly if I had 2 4070 Super cards with good memory I would consider getting the vram chips removed and put on my 4090. Create my own 4090 Super lol. 

It runs just strangely cool for an air cooled GPU. 
 

But yes the GPU seems really amazing! The memory seems very similar to my prior 4080 Super and like most others I think. 

+1350 memory is stable so far. 
 

The core is really the most amazing so far though. 
 

[ryan]

45c?

 

do you have an air conditioner blowing on it? seems like water cooled results. something seems off

 

I get 25fps at 4k high, 150 fps over what the majority of people have is a nice treat, enjoy your new toy. No laptop can touch that level of performance and when you upgrade to a 5k series you should be able to get a fair amount back. but for the time being I guess your pretty lucky as 120fps locked at 4k feels amazing. I can do that on pre 2013 games and its great, I can't imagine a recent title like god of war running at 150 4k high. also if you havent dipped into it, it really is a great game I dabbled a little in it and it has a great story and overall fairly easy to get into.

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It runs just strangely cool for an air cooled GPU. 
 

But yes the GPU seems really amazing! The memory seems very similar to my prior 4080 Super and like most others I think. 

+1350 memory is stable so far. 
 

The core is really the most amazing so far though. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

45c?

 

do you have an air conditioner blowing on it? seems like water cooled results. something seems off

 

I get 25fps at 4k high, 150 fps over what the majority of people have is a nice treat, enjoy your new toy. No laptop can touch that level of performance and when you upgrade to a 5k series you should be able to get a fair amount back. but for the time being I guess your pretty lucky as 120fps locked at 4k feels amazing. I can do that on pre 2013 games and its great, I can't imagine a recent title like god of war running at 150 4k high. also if you havent dipped into it, it really is a great game I dabbled a little in it and it has a great story and overall fairly easy to get into.

No, the Gigabyte 4090 I purchased was like that on the air cooler as well. It ran freakishly cool on the air cooler. Unlike anything I had seen before. Installing the water block had little effect on temperatures. The benefit will only be obvious using chilled water. Having a vapor chamber with lots of heat pipes and a good fin stack does a fantastic job as long as the ambient temperatures are low. If you are in a hot environment it might not be adequate. 

 

Both of my 4090s have excellent memory overclocking. The Strix 4090 was trash. The Gigabyte 4090 easily handles +1500 (maybe more, haven't tried yet) and the 4090 Suprim +1700.

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

45c?

 

do you have an air conditioner blowing on it? seems like water cooled results. something seems off

 

I get 25fps at 4k high, 150 fps over what the majority of people have is a nice treat, enjoy your new toy. No laptop can touch that level of performance and when you upgrade to a 5k series you should be able to get a fair amount back. but for the time being I guess your pretty lucky as 120fps locked at 4k feels amazing. I can do that on pre 2013 games and its great, I can't imagine a recent title like god of war running at 150 4k high. also if you havent dipped into it, it really is a great game I dabbled a little in it and it has a great story and overall fairly easy to get into.

It’s hard to believe I know. They are unbelievable temps for an air cooled GPU. 
 

I made a video of it though. It actually settles down to 44c with 100% fan at 4K towards the end. 
 

4K was 44-45C

1440P 42-43C

1080P 41-42C

 

I start out with just auto/silent fan, and then test with 100% fan speed.
 

 

[ryan]

no combo gets even close to 150fps and even with upscaled 1440p I cant touch it

 

lowest 4k vs highest 4k

 

I think its still playable at 45fps but its not going to be as immersive as your 4080 super or the other 4090s. your 4080 super must be pretty close to a 4090??

 

this is with my 3060, most people have a 1060-3060 level gpu at least thats what it was like not to long ago. just goes to show how much we are spoiled by hardware. like honestly if someone was comfortable with 1440p the 4080 super and 4090 would last like half a decade of quality gaming at good framerates, the real test will be when GTA VI comes out soon, I really hope I can run it off my 3060(doubtful) or maybe it will come to geforce now(doubtful)

[Papusan]

On 2/15/2024 at 10:15 PM, Papusan said:

Btw. Arctic is on the way destroy one of the main reason for why their AIOs sell. Bombed or better say dumbed  down with more RGB... No thanks. 

 

 

Arctic Liquid Freezer III AIO CPU Cooler Pictured

 

I have seen mixed results in reviews with the new AC Freezer III. And this doesn't make it much better.... If they can't make it working with normal mounting mecanism and need custom bracket then there is something wrong. 

 

Gamers Nexus' review of the Liquid Freezer III series reveals that Arctic is not only supplying its coolers with a dedicated contact frame and offset brackets, but it also requires either of them whether you are using the cooler on an Intel or AMD CPU. This means that Arctic is not supplying any sort of traditional mounting mechanism for LGA 1700 or AM4/AM5 as a backup; customers must use the company's own custom mounting mechanisms.

 

 

Arctic's Liquid Freezer III coolers could void your CPU warranty — require a custom contact frame for Intel chips

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctics-liquid-freezer-iii-coolers-could-void-your-cpu-warranty-require-a-custom-contact-frame-for-intel-chips

 

35 minutes ago, ryan said:

45c?

 

do you have an air conditioner blowing on it? seems like water cooled results. something seems off

 

I get 25fps at 4k high, 150 fps over what the majority of people have is a nice treat, enjoy your new toy. No laptop can touch that level of performance and when you upgrade to a 5k series you should be able to get a fair amount back. but for the time being I guess your pretty lucky as 120fps locked at 4k feels amazing. I can do that on pre 2013 games and its great, I can't imagine a recent title like god of war running at 150 4k high. also if you havent dipped into it, it really is a great game I dabbled a little in it and it has a great story and overall fairly easy to get into.

 

The air coller is meant for 600W heat load.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

no combo gets even close to 150fps and even with upscaled 1440p I cant touch it

 

lowest 4k vs highest 4k

 

I think its still playable at 45fps but its not going to be as immersive as your 4080 super or the other 4090s. your 4080 super must be pretty close to a 4090??

45FPS is definitely playable. I’d run what you’ve got. Especially since it’s already getting the job done. 

My system as a whole definitely performs very well in 4K. But I cannot match a 4090 lol. The 4090 is a 4090. There’s only one way to get that much speed. 😃

 

I guess the better answer would be, this GPU is so fast I haven’t even thought about a 4090.

[ryan]

as you know I was a hair trigger away from getting a desktop, but I just dont need it(not quite yet). Im holding off till its time to upgrade(when games don't run above 30fps). I just looked up average 4090 scores (30k) and talons score of 30999. the average 4090 is similar to a overclocked 4080 super, so that explains the crazy results. 150fps is bonkers. I would be happy with low 4k 120. the game is suprisingly demanding at high settings. most people still game at 1080p and the fact the option to game at 4k with similar performance is just awesome. something for everyone.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

as you know I was a hair trigger away from getting a desktop, but I just dont need it(not quite yet). Im holding off till its time to upgrade(when games don't run above 30fps). I just looked up average 4090 scores (30k) and talons score of 30999. the average 4090 is similar to a overclocked 4080 super, so that explains the crazy results. 150fps is bonkers. I would be happy with low 4k 120. the game is suprisingly demanding at high settings. most people still game at 1080p and the fact the option to game at 4k with similar performance is just awesome. something for everyone.

Waiting to upgrade is a great choice. As far as performance goes, the GPU was not overclocked in the video. But even if it is, I still cannot match a 4090. But it’s certainly fast enough for my needs either way. 
 

[Papusan]

28 minutes ago, ryan said:

I just looked up average 4090 scores (30k) and talons score of 30999. the average 4090 is similar to a overclocked 4080 super, so that explains the crazy results.

 

I still don't understand the average 4090 scores (30k). That's wrong. Maybe for a half castrated Dell Alienware 4090 desktop card but not normal AIB cards. I mean I have never seen GPU score below 35.000 with stock GPU. Oc'd we see well above 41.000 in graphics score. And this with even the ECC memory trash Enabled. And that useless feature reduce scores and aren't even default settings in NCP. Only forced by hwbot.

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I still don't understand the average 4090 scores (30k). That's wrong. Maybe for a Dell Alienware 4090 desktop card but not normal AIB cards. I mean I have never seen GPU score below 35.000 with stock GPU. Oc'd we see well above 41.000 in graphics score. And this with even the ECC memory trash Enabled. And that reduce scores and aren't default settings in NCP.

Scores in what? I can't tell what benchmark or measurement we are speaking about.

[Papusan]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Scores in what? I can't tell what benchmark or measurement we are speaking about.

 

I*m 100% sure he talk about 3DM Time Spy graphics score. Remember bro @ryan have been very hunged up in that bench. No other bench scores match +-30.000 points for (graphics).

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I woke up, and this was on my porch. These come straight from China it looks like. Working perfect!! And yes I got my free mouse pad I have been waiting for. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I just tested my MSI 4080 Super Suprim X in games. 

 

I ran God Of war at 1080P/1440P/2160P.

 

”God Of War”

100% fan @1080P 41C GPU temps 235-255 watts. 
100% fan @1440P 43C GPU temps 255-275 watts.

100% fan @2160P 45C GPU temps 275-305 watts.

GPU usage was peaking at all resolutions. With frame rates of 150 FPS to 300 FPS. 

 

The cooler on this Suprim X is CRAZY how well it performs. I’m seriously amazed. This GPU performs like some water cooled graphics card almost. 

 

Welcome! 😁

 

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

agreed on all points. and i regularly use the mouse pad, too 😄 

 

Mine is still in the box brand new lol....

 

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I have seen mixed results in reviews with the new AC Freezer III. And this doesn't make it much better.... If they can't make it working with normal mounting mecanism and need custom bracket then there is something wrong. 

 

Gamers Nexus' review of the Liquid Freezer III series reveals that Arctic is not only supplying its coolers with a dedicated contact frame and offset brackets, but it also requires either of them whether you are using the cooler on an Intel or AMD CPU. This means that Arctic is not supplying any sort of traditional mounting mechanism for LGA 1700 or AM4/AM5 as a backup; customers must use the company's own custom mounting mechanisms.

 

 

Arctic's Liquid Freezer III coolers could void your CPU warranty — require a custom contact frame for Intel chips

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctics-liquid-freezer-iii-coolers-could-void-your-cpu-warranty-require-a-custom-contact-frame-for-intel-chips

 

 

Looks like AC wanted to control the entire mount from insertion to pump block. I like the idea on paper, but I would have preferred a standard CF included that was tested and paired with their normal mounting mechanisms. This would allow you to use theirs or somebody elses.

 

LF III shines in performance:noise ratio. One thing I love about the AC LF II 420 is how quiet it is even gaming or handling small little CPU busts when surfing and such. Even though the LF III is louder than the II, it is still best in class for providing high levels of performance with the lowest noise. Noise normalized, it is #1.

 

Not sure how you're going to void your warranty when the contact frame actually helps prevent any potential extra stress or warping. If you're stupid enough to answer yes to Intel asking if you used a CF, that's on you.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Welcome! 😁

 

Looks like AC wanted to control the entire mount from insertion to pump block. I like the idea on paper, but I would have preferred a standard CF included that was tested and paired with their normal mounting mechanisms. This would allow you to use theirs or somebody elses.

 

LF III shines in performance:noise ratio. One thing I love about the AC LF II 420 is how quiet it is even gaming or handling small little CPU busts when surfing and such. Even though the LF III is louder than the II, it is still best in class for providing high levels of performance with the lowest noise. Noise normalized, it is #1.

 

Not sure how you're going to void your warranty when the contact frame actually helps prevent any potential extra stress or warping. If you're stupid enough to answer yes to Intel asking if you used a CF, that's on you.

 

 

My main pick on this. The results ain't fantastic. And AC need a bracket to compete with the others. That's what I don't like.

 

And yup.... New doesn't always mean better than the old. Need a custom bracket to come on par with the old is flawed. 

 

https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/13900K-Temp-1400rpm-fans-768x768.png

 

https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Noise-768x768.png

 

And to add more fuel to the fire... For me. I don't like round blocks or the ugly rounded corners in Windows 11. Hence I use a reg tweak to get back the nice looking square corners in my OS UI. You can't do that with the new fancy blingy AIO from Arctic😁 You are forced to accept what you don't like. And that don't fits me.

 

 

[ryan]

just the 3dmark average for 4090..not an actual factual number just an average. either way they are both great cards

 

Highest score: 42803

Average score: 30480

Your best score: N/A

[Mr. Fox]

  

14 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Mine is still in the box brand new lol....

Same. I mean... c'mon... it's white. But it wouldn't be for very long, LOL. It looks nice before you start using it. Not a good choice for something you touch the entire time you are using the computer. If I ever sell it I can let the next owner enjoy the white mousepad... for a day or two. Then it will be pretty skanky.

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Just grabbed a few screenshots with the 4090 Suprim. Ultra preset, 4K native, 165Hz, no Vsync, Gstink and no DLSS. Stock GPU clocks.