*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

In case you're wondering how the 7900xtx stacks up against even the 4090 @tps3443 it is a solid buy even at $1000 if raster is your cup of tea for your brother.

 

Hardware Unboxed revisted the 7900xtx vs the 4090 back in January and it is ~12% slower at 1080p, 18% slower at 1440p and 21% slower at 4k on average for raster.

 

It also grossly comes down to what games you play as for example the 7900xtx is actually faster than the 4090 in Hogwarts raster only at 1080p and 1440p but as expected gives up the ghost at 4k being 13% slower (again showing the 4090 really bares its fangs at 4k). You also want to make sure the games he plays aren't on the "problems" list like WoW or it is going to be a miserable experience.

 

If your brother games at 1080p and 1440p the 7900xtx begins to make even more sense depending on games.

 

If RT is at all a concern for your bro....well.....it's a blood bath and 4090 (and subsequently 4080) will just crush it badly.

 

 

 

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I know a couple of guys that might be interested. Looks like it is going for about $240 on NewEgg. How much do you want for it? I will let them know and put them in contact with you if they want it.

 

If you haven't already tried, overclock.net marketplace is also a good option.

Was asking $180 on FB.

[Rage Set]

For the first time in over 15 years, I do not have an Nvidia GPU*. I sold my last 3090 in a build for $1400. I am unsure of the steps I should take. I can wait to see if Nvidia releases something new or look for a 4090. I installed my A770 in my editing workstation. Video editing in DR took a major hit (as expected). 

 

Should I wait or buy a 4090?

 

*I have older Nvidia cards like the EVGA 570 and even a BFG 280, but those don't count. They are "collector's items" at this point.

[Raiderman]

28 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

For the first time in over 15 years, I do not have an Nvidia GPU*. I sold my last 3090 in a build for $1400. I am unsure of the steps I should take. I can wait to see if Nvidia releases something new or look for a 4090. I installed my A770 in my editing workstation. Video editing in DR took a major hit (as expected). 

 

Should I wait or buy a 4090?

 

*I have older Nvidia cards like the EVGA 570 and even a BFG 280, but those don't count. They are "collector's items" at this point.

That is the never ending question of every hardware enthusiast 🤣

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

That is the never ending question of every hardware enthusiast 🤣

Here here! 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Should I wait or buy a 4090?

You should do you, brother.

 

If I were you I would buy a 4090 now and cross the next bridge whenever I got to it. It is anyone's guess when the 5090 will drop and how many internal organs you will need to sell to pay for it. Tomorrow is always approaching, but never arrives.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

For the first time in over 15 years, I do not have an Nvidia GPU*. I sold my last 3090 in a build for $1400. I am unsure of the steps I should take. I can wait to see if Nvidia releases something new or look for a 4090. I installed my A770 in my editing workstation. Video editing in DR took a major hit (as expected). 

 

Should I wait or buy a 4090?

 

*I have older Nvidia cards like the EVGA 570 and even a BFG 280, but those don't count. They are "collector's items" at this point.

 

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

That is the never ending question of every hardware enthusiast 🤣

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You should do you, brother.

 

If I were you I would buy a 4090 now and cross the next bridge whenever I got to it. It is anyone's guess when the 5090 will drop and how many internal organs you will need to sell to pay for it. Tomorrow is always approaching, but never arrives.

 

One in the hand is better than two in the bush......

 

I would buy and enjoy now and cross that bridge when you get there as advised by @Mr. Fox.

 

I used to be an extremist "wait and see" kind of tech enthusiast but I've tempered that the last 12yrs and it has upped my tech joy level immensely.

 

 

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

One in the hand is better than two in the bush......

 

I would buy and enjoy now and cross that bridge when you get there as advised by @Mr. Fox.

 

I used to be an extremist "wait and see" kind of tech enthusiast but I've tempered that the last 12yrs and it has upped my tech joy level immensely.

 

 

Agreed, get it now, and enjoy it, have fun with it, bench the piss out of it, then sell it for the next great thing.

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Rage Set said:

For the first time in over 15 years, I do not have an Nvidia GPU*. I sold my last 3090 in a build for $1400. I am unsure of the steps I should take. I can wait to see if Nvidia releases something new or look for a 4090. I installed my A770 in my editing workstation. Video editing in DR took a major hit (as expected). 

 

Should I wait or buy a 4090?

 

*I have older Nvidia cards like the EVGA 570 and even a BFG 280, but those don't count. They are "collector's items" at this point.

 

What's you needs?😀 A new collector/bench card or gaming/video editing? Can all this be done with what you already have? For me... Nice to have the best you can get but not needed. I can still have fun with my "very old" stuff. Nothing can beat sub $50 price point for having fun🙂 But it will fail hard if you want 4K gaming or video editing for living. You can't have it both ways. Very cheap and best at same time. If you need 4090... Then buy it. 

 

Btw. What EVGA 570 card do you have? 

[chew]

Been busy......

 

Spam sorry

 

10800

https://valid.x86.fr/4vk53n

 

10200 benchable 2 stick

 

10000 semi tuned  bone stock OS. 8600G

 

7800x3d @ 2233 fclk.

 

[electrosoft]

31 minutes ago, chew said:

Been busy......

 

Spam sorry

 

10800

https://valid.x86.fr/4vk53n

 

10200 benchable 2 stick

 

10000 semi tuned  bone stock OS. 8600G

 

7800x3d @ 2233 fclk.

 

 

2-dimm board power flex on that 8600G and  8700G! 🙂

Nice IMC (2233) and sub 60ns latency, nice on the 7800X3D.

 

Good work bro!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

CPU from @snakeyes111 finally made it here from Germany. All is well.

 

 

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, chew said:

Been busy......

 

Spam sorry

 

10800

https://valid.x86.fr/4vk53n

 

10200 benchable 2 stick

 

10000 semi tuned  bone stock OS. 8600G

 

7800x3d @ 2233 fclk.

 

Sick! bro @chew

 

I have everything I need to redo my loop. I am a bit confused on the small alphacool manifold, and how it flows. I bought some new fittings, because I want to switch to 3/8" ID-1/2" OD tubing, as I think it looks cleaner. Not sure if it will hinder performance, though. I've got some super concentrate coolant all mixed and ready to go, and some fresh Noctua to repaste. Just need some time!

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

CPU from @snakeyes111 finally made it here from Germany. All is well.

 

 

 

What was the total transit time in shipping? It seemed to take forever.

 

After a few whacks at retail samples, best move really was buying a pre-binned chip for a good price as that's much better than that first one I commented on over on the forums.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

What was the total transit time in shipping? It seemed to take forever.

 

After a few whacks at retail samples, best move really was buying a pre-binned chip for a good price as that's much better than that first one I commented on over on the forums.

 

 

It was shipped on 2/19. USPS received it from DHL on 2/26. It was delivered today. So, yeah, stupid how long it took. Looks like it sat in a shipping container in Germany for 4 days and then sat at USPS/Customs in NYC for 3 days. 12 days total.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Sick! bro @chew

 

I have everything I need to redo my loop. I am a bit confused on the small alphacool manifold, and how it flows. I bought some new fittings, because I want to switch to 3/8" ID-1/2" OD tubing, as I think it looks cleaner. Not sure if it will hinder performance, though. I've got some super concentrate coolant all mixed and ready to go, and some fresh Noctua to repaste. Just need some time!

 

 

That is a very strange manifold. If the lines on it indicate the flow pattern that is going to possibly be awkward to use. It might not be depending on how you are going to install it, but trying to get a visual of it in my head it seems weird. Everything is linear with the EK manifolds. One row of ports is inlet and the other outlet. No crossing over or right angle turns like that. Did you buy that one because it was less expensive?

 

If it is split in the middle with the two ports next to the "O" being connected and the two next to the "L" being connected, then maybe that will be fine. Maybe the lines on it are purely aesthetic and not an indicator of flow path? I look forward to seeing what it looks like installed and how you found out the flow path works.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It was shipped on 2/19. USPS received it from DHL on 2/26. It was delivered today. So, yeah, stupid how long it took. Looks like it sat in a shipping container in Germany for 4 days and then sat at USPS/Customs in NYC for 3 days. 12 days total.

That is a very strange manifold. If the lines on it indicate the flow pattern that is going to possibly be awkward to use. It might not be depending on how you are going to install it, but trying to get a visual of it in my head it seems weird. Everything is linear with the EK manifolds. One row of ports is inlet and the other outlet. No crossing over or right angle turns like that. Did you buy that one because it was less expensive?

 

If it is split in the middle with the two ports next to the "O" being connected and the two next to the "L" being connected, then maybe that will be fine. Maybe the lines on it are purely aesthetic and not an indicator of flow path? I look forward to seeing what it looks like installed and how you found out the flow path works.

I couldn't find any of the smaller EK manifolds in stock anywhere, so I just started browsing Titan rig, and found this one. And even they didn't have the 6 port (on top) model from Alphacool, which is the one I wanted. I have their manual with it, but I think it loses something in translation from German?? I couldn't make head's or tails from it.

https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/reservoirs-distro-plates/distro-plates/12993-alphacool-es-distro-plate-c2

 

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

CPU from @snakeyes111 finally made it here from Germany. All is well.

 

 

Looks like 14900KS material to me. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 3/2/2024 at 5:51 PM, Raiderman said:

I couldn't find any of the smaller EK manifolds in stock anywhere, so I just started browsing Titan rig, and found this one. And even they didn't have the 6 port (on top) model from Alphacool, which is the one I wanted. I have their manual with it, but I think it loses something in translation from German?? I couldn't make head's or tails from it.

https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/reservoirs-distro-plates/distro-plates/12993-alphacool-es-distro-plate-c2

 

This manual has English pages. From what I can see in the instructions it is made like the EK manifold and the lines on it have nothing to do with the flow path. It looks like in are on one side and out on the other. The end ports are in and out. You connect lines going out of the manifold to each peripheral on the side where the water comes into the block. The water returning to the manifold connect to the side where the water leaves the manifold. They have diagrams in the manual showing what I just described. I think the lines on the outside of it are purely an aesthetic and not relevant based on what I see in the manual.

 

https://download.alphacool.com/legacy/1020140_1020139_1020138_Distro_C5_C3_C2_Manual.pdf

On 3/2/2024 at 11:12 PM, tps3443 said:

Looks like 14900KS material to me. 

The e-cores are not anything to get too excited about. They're not capable of withstanding Cinebench R23 above 4.7. At 4.8 all E-core it errors out. The E-cores are a little weaker than my SP117 13900KS with SP97 E-cores.

 

But, it seems like a really solid CPU sample. It definitely needs a delid and bare die. It runs very hot with the stock solder and IHS. It hits 105°C and thermal throttles at 5.9 all P-core in Cinebench R23 even though the voltage around 1.250V. Chilled water at 16°C isn't enough to keep it cooled down at P59x and E47x. It errors out in Cinebench R23 at 60x all P-core unless I pore on the voltage and then it thermal throttles. I suspect a delid and bare die will solve that issue.

 

In "normal" workloads it seem cool and stable enough to run P60x, E48x. Cinebench is just too much load for the stock solder and IHS.

[Papusan]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The e-cores are not anything to get too excited about. They're not capable of withstanding Cinebench R23 above 4.7. At 4.8 all E-core it errors out. The E-cores are a little weaker than my SP117 13900KS with SP97 E-cores.

 

It errors out in Cinebench R23 at 60x all P-core unless I pore on the voltage and then it thermal throttles. I suspect a delid and bare die will solve that issue.

 

In "normal" workloads it seem cool and stable enough to run P60x, E48x. Cinebench is just too much load for the stock solder and IHS.

 

Hmmm. Have you compared the power consumption at same clockspeed vs your other Cpu's? 

 

Your Cpu behave almost as the binned 12900K der8auer bought for the test below. Also he mentioned weak E-cores as well.  And same hot running chips. Seems your new Cpu will be a good sample for sub zero cooling or with LN2. Exactly the Cpu the LN2 clockers want. And @snakeyes looking after/binning such type CPU's with high leackage for LN2 benching.

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It runs very hot with the stock solder/IHS. It hits 105°C and thermal throttles at 5.9 all P-core in Cinebench R23 even though the voltage around 1.250V. Chilled water at 16°C isn't enough to keep it cooled down at P59x and E47 It errors out in Cinebench R23 at 60x all P-core unless I pore on the voltage and then it thermal throttles. I suspect a delid and bare die will solve that issue.. 

 

If your new Cpu is more like the binned 12900K it may still run hotter due higher leakage. But delidde will help. It will for almost all Cpu's. I hope the sTim isn't perfects hence it runs so hot. So a delid and bare die should be a good fix to reduce temps. 

 

 

 

Edit. Working on a new wheel tower stand. The old one will soon collapse due to the heavy weight. The black box is well above +55kg now. And the new plate will be 40mm thick compared to the old one at 22mm. Better safe than sorry 🙂

 

The old wheel stand doesn't look safe anymore.

 

New plate

 

The new plate should be able to hold several hundereds kg. I mean the 4 wheels I use can keep up with a total of 300kg. Or 75kg for each wheel. And with this thicker plate I can use longer screws for the wheels for even more safety🙂

 

The Little Thief play with small balls around the pc so I added a guard under the plate. So no more fun for him, HaHa

[Raiderman]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This manual has English pages. From what I can see in the instructions it is made like the EK manifold and the lines on it have nothing to do with the flow path. It looks like in are on one side and out on the other. The end ports are in and out. You connect lines going out of the manifold to each peripheral on the side where the water comes into the block. The water returning to the manifold connect to the side where the waer leaves the manifold. They have diagrams in the manual showing what I just described. I think the lines on the outside of it are purely an aesthetic and not relevant based on what I see in the manual.

 

https://download.alphacool.com/legacy/1020140_1020139_1020138_Distro_C5_C3_C2_Manual.pdf

The e-cores are not anything to get too excited about. They're not capable of withstanding Cinebench R23 above 4.7. At 4.8 all E-core it errors out. The E-cores are a little weaker than my SP117 13900KS with SP97 E-cores.

 

But, it seems like a really solid CPU sample. It definitely needs a delid and bare die. It runs very hot with the stock solder and IHS. It hits 105°C and thermal throttles at 5.9 all P-core in Cinebench R23 even though the voltage around 1.250V. Chilled water at 16°C isn't enough to keep it cooled down at P59x and E47x. It errors out in Cinebench R23 at 60x all P-core unless I pore on the voltage and then it thermal throttles. I suspect a delid and bare die will solve that issue.

 

In "normal" workloads it seem cool and stable enough to run P60x, E48x. Cinebench is just too much load for the stock solder and IHS.

I kept thinking the lines were some sort of flow indicators on top. Still have not found a desirable place to mount it, but will continue to scout around. Thank you for the info!

[Papusan]

On 3/2/2024 at 10:06 PM, Mr. Fox said:

CPU from @snakeyes111 finally made it here from Germany. All is well.

 

 

 

Intel's new Special Edition gaming CPU hits 6.2 GHz with 1.5 volts

Hmmmm. This doensn't look great for many hoping for something better than their 13900KS/14900K. A step down to 6.0GHz for the KS should be around 1.448v. In short... Intel snagged up all the average ok'ish 14900K chips for their KS. Hence all the trash 14900K the last couple of months. 

 

Intel Core i9-14900KS spotted in the wild with 6.2 GHz clocks and high voltage

 

 

 

 

 

This black box is damn  heavy to lift up on the new wheel stand. And this even without the huge glass doors mounted. Hmmm. But bigger is better😀

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This manual has English pages. From what I can see in the instructions it is made like the EK manifold and the lines on it have nothing to do with the flow path. It looks like in are on one side and out on the other. The end ports are in and out. You connect lines going out of the manifold to each peripheral on the side where the water comes into the block. The water returning to the manifold connect to the side where the waer leaves the manifold. They have diagrams in the manual showing what I just described. I think the lines on the outside of it are purely an aesthetic and not relevant based on what I see in the manual.

 

https://download.alphacool.com/legacy/1020140_1020139_1020138_Distro_C5_C3_C2_Manual.pdf

The e-cores are not anything to get too excited about. They're not capable of withstanding Cinebench R23 above 4.7. At 4.8 all E-core it errors out. The E-cores are a little weaker than my SP117 13900KS with SP97 E-cores.

 

But, it seems like a really solid CPU sample. It definitely needs a delid and bare die. It runs very hot with the stock solder and IHS. It hits 105°C and thermal throttles at 5.9 all P-core in Cinebench R23 even though the voltage around 1.250V. Chilled water at 16°C isn't enough to keep it cooled down at P59x and E47x. It errors out in Cinebench R23 at 60x all P-core unless I pore on the voltage and then it thermal throttles. I suspect a delid and bare die will solve that issue.

 

In "normal" workloads it seem cool and stable enough to run P60x, E48x. Cinebench is just too much load for the stock solder and IHS.

I would probably delid and then compare with the KS since the KS runs 4.8E with direct die, I tested a 13900KS E-SP103 which could only run 4.7E before going on direct die. So direct die is still the savior for most regardless if its E95 or E100. The good new is It’s still a very respectable binned R batch chip that you have.
 

So it kinda of makes no sense how I can run 66C at 5.9/4.8/5.0@300 watts with 15C water, while you are hitting 105C with 16C water With just 5.9/4.7/5.0. That’s really really hot! Thats a really huge difference in temps. 

 

 

[Talon]

 

Honestly I watched that Jay video a week ago and was like WTF is this, how can he be so wrong and be such a large tech tuber. I'm happy to see FrameChasers dude called out his complete non sense. Who the hell runs PR for a ram benchmark to check for differences? 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Honestly I watched that Jay video a week ago and was like WTF is this, how can he be so wrong and be such a large tech tuber. I'm happy to see FrameChasers dude called out his complete non sense. Who the hell runs PR for a ram benchmark to check for differences? 

There is a lot of misinformation in the media, and social media, including YouTube. Some is deliberate agenda-driven propaganda and some is just pure ignorance on the part of "experts" and "influencers" that don't know what they don't know. The end result for people that believe everything they hear is the same. They are no less stupid than before they heard it. But, they believe lies and follow wrong advice. 

 

Some people still run Furmark and swear it is safe.  So yeah, kids... run Furmark to test your GPU and run Prime95 to test your CPU. It's good for both of them. Do it often. It has to be safe because they show it on YouTube.

 

Here is what about 10 seconds of Furmark looks like on my Gigabyte 4090 using the Galax HOF XOC vBIOS with 1.100V.

 

If you haven't heard any GPU coil whine, just do this and you'll hear it. LOL.

[Raiderman]

Well, I managed to flush her out, new hoses, new fittings, new paste, I just haven't found a spot for the manifold yet. Coolant looks as it should, and the old stuff was definitely yellow for some reason. Looks a little cleaner with the smaller OD lines.

Oh yeah, I replaced the cpu water block with the replacement Raijintek sent. (After 7 months) 🤣