*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

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chasing dreams.......19K multi mem score or cpu death......whichever comes first........

 

 

[Tenoroon]

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

According to Steve in GN's latest news video, some members of the team that developed EVGA mobo BIOS left for Asrock....keep that in mind for future mobo purchases. 

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

Yeah, I have historically not liked them at all, but the past couple of GPUs were well made (including my A770). I had a Thai Chi (Chai Tea) motherboard several generations back and is was a sucky, flimsy piece of trash.

 

I do not like their warranty policy. You have to first try to go through the place that you bought it from. Sounds like a slow process, especially if the place you bought it from is a bunch of losers. I think (don't hold me to it) that their warranty is only to the original buyer. If you buy one used in warranty, you're not covered. It doesn't follow the part like most other brands do.

 

If they're open to change and improvement, the former EVGA employees might be exactly what they need to go to the next level. Here's hoping they give the dimwits at ASUS a run for their money.

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5520984_

 

Completed all 4 passes with CPU in parallel mode. Parallel mode stresses the memory with all cores simultaneously  rather than rotating amongst the cores.

 

[Talon]

7 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

 

Honestly I had great luck with my Asrock X99 and my current Asrock Z790 Nova is actually a budget banger. The Nova is a crappy 4 dimmer, but it can achieve around 7800 with some tinkering, something the $600 Asus Hero can't do. For the $279 I paid vs a $650 Apex, it's no slouch. An Asrock BIOS guy has been pretty active in the OC forums and they've been putting out regular updates for it. I mean it will never be an Apex, but I haven't had any issues I can speak of. I've never had to use their warranty though, so maybe that would sour me. But for now, I've been pretty happy with their product. 

[Rage Set]

12 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

 

What I find interesting is that Vince (KP) is solo. I know he still has his eBike company but I wonder if he has a non-compete, which is why he hasn't signed up with MSI or another company. 

While Vince is a well known overclocker and has some experience in engineering, it was TiN who was the actual "brain" behind some of the most beloved KP cards, like the 2080 TI KPx. 

 

I never honestly used any Asrock mobo. I always saw the horror stories surrounding their mobos and I stayed away. We had a few guys on the old forum that swore by Asrock for price to performance. 

[Tenoroon]

Just now, Rage Set said:

 

What I find interesting is that Vince (KP) is solo. I know he still has his eBike company but I wonder if he has a non-compete, which is why he hasn't signed up with MSI or another company. 

While Vince is a well known overclocker and has some experience in engineering, it was TiN who was the actual "brain" behind some of the most beloved KP cards, like the 2080 TI KPx. 

 

I never honestly used any Asrock mobo. I always saw the horror stories surrounding their mobos and I stayed away. We had a few guys on the old forum that swore by Asrock for price to performance. 

Yeah, TiN was insane, I aspire to be like him in the future. I can't remember where he ended up, but it was a shame he left EVGA before the Ampere cards came out...

[tps3443]

 

14 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

 

I built my son’s PC with a Asrock Z790 Pro RS WiFi motherboard. Nothing fancy at all. Literally a dirt cheap basic board that was free. But it really works great! 
 

One thing I liked was the bios update process. So, with the Z790 Apex you must download the bios, rename the bios file, drop the bios on the USB, and go and locate and select the bios on the usb drive to update off of that USB. Very simple process. But, on the Asrock I literally clicked “update bios” and it somehow already located my USB drive and selected the bios already and began the process lol. It was almost like magic that it knew exactly what I wanted to be done here.. 🤷‍♂️
 

It seems to work very well, and it’s 100% stable with his tuned XMP profile. Kids find instability fast. They do some crazy stuff on a PC. Like trying to spawn in 10,000 dinosaurs in a game just to force a crash or see how badly it slows down their system. 
 

But considering how amazing the Asrock Z590 OC Formula was, I think Asrock can possibly make some more amazing motherboards. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So, with the Z790 Apex you must download the bios, rename the bios file, drop the bios on the USB, and go and locate and select the bios on the usb drive to update off of that USB.

The renaming is only necessary for recovery flashback using the button on the rear I/O. You can flash it inside the BIOS with the original file name.

 

I really do not like how ASUS handles their firmware. It is the worst. The dual BIOS is a joke. It is not a real dual BIOS. That is why when you switch BIOS using that button it goes through a reflashing sequence. If it were a proper dual BIOS it would have a switch that disables one chip and enables another and they would function independently of one another. Because of how they did it, it is not brick-proof. And, one BIOS position is not completely agnostic of the other. It is not a very smart way of doing things.

 

The only right way to do it is how EVGA did it, and how it is done on GPUs. You slide the switch and the other one no longer exists. The ME and EC are not shared from common NVRAM. ASUS used to do it that way. I am not sure why they thought it would be better to do it this way now, but it sucks.

 

The way it was on the X299 Dark was the best, having at least one SOP8 chip in a socket so you could swap out spare chips and manual flash them with an SPI programmer was so sweet. I put one of those sockets on a couple of laptops and it worked flawlessly. That is a truly brick-proof system. Solder once and you're forever free to make your own decisions about what firmware to use. 

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CPU lived.......

 

19K done.

 

[Raiderman]

22 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

Not true, they've been rock solid for me the last few years.

[ryan]

Anyone here use PTM 7950? I just ordered some and should be here tomorrow. going to try to break the 12600 record with the 11800h. Will be interesting to see how well they work, my gpu fan is running at 87rpm not sure if its built up dust or what but hopefully the portable duster works well enough and fixes some of the heating issues. 3060 is still going strong your son should be good for a while

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, ryan said:

Anyone here use PTM 7950? I just ordered some and should be here tomorrow. going to try to break the 12600 record with the 11800h. Will be interesting to see how well they work, my gpu fan is running at 87rpm not sure if its built up dust or what but hopefully the portable duster works well enough and fixes some of the heating issues. 3060 is still going strong your son should be good for a while

It works well for laptops with poorly fitting heat sinks. I tried it on a water cooled desktop and it was inferior to most of the popular thermal pastes. I do not think it is great in terms of thermal conductivity, but it is good at filling gaps 

[ryan]

yeah on NBT here A few people were seeing pretty good temps, I personally have doubts but after a few youtube reviews it's looking promising. I think the main thing will be when I get the duster to clean the excess dust. As for the fan If cleaning the dust doesn't help I guess I'll have to pop-in a new fan. Laptop did an amazing job for 2 years pity the fan isn't spinning.

 

 

[Clamibot]

On 3/27/2024 at 10:39 PM, Tenoroon said:

WHY ASROCK! THEY MAKE LIKE, THE WORST BOARDS EVER!!!

Hopefully the guys can make Asrock's board division better, I'll stop the hate if they can improve upon their high end and budget boards. The only good board I've heard from Asrock was some 2 dimm Z170 board that was so good for memory OC, it became one of the main reasons people figured out how to use 8th and 9th gen CPUs on the 6th/7th gen chipsets.

 

My RX 6950 XT is an Asrock model and it's really good. It's also my first Asrock part ever, so either I got really lucky, or their stuff has improved over the years.

Did you see that motherboard they have with 6 m.2 slots? That looks pretty enticing for data hoarders and storage enthusiasts.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah on NBT here A few people were seeing pretty good temps, I personally have doubts but after a few youtube reviews it's looking promising. I think the main thing will be when I get the duster to clean the excess dust. As for the fan If cleaning the dust doesn't help I guess I'll have to pop-in a new fan. Laptop did an amazing job for 2 years pity the fan isn't spinning.

 

 

Fans wear out, but 2 years isn't very long.

[ryan]

Bro I was so shaky..wrecked the pad install..testing now

 

89c 4.2ghz

 

Even with the pads poorly installed my temp drop is 8-15c that's in cinebench and I heard the pads get better with time

 

not a world record but hey its good for my system

13380-

 

It didn't thermal throttle yeaaa. so it def worked, terrible install and still lowered temps.  im guessing in actual benchmarking senerios they only drop temps by 4c but you can't complain its still 4c. I don't think ive ever seen my system max at 70c on cpu and gpu with an overclock and vsync off running max settings. I ran a bench run of time spy and temps maxed at a pretty low temp. not used to this, and now I can run games without worrying about it shutting down as I feel more comfortable at 70c than 89c.

 

heres what game was getting after 20 min. overclocked mind you.

 

this is now taking the crown over IC Diamond for me. liquid metal performance without the risk

 

Currently running a time spy stress test I think it's 20min. I have my highest capable overclock and cpu power limits at 4.2ghz so running 4.1 ghz....will be interesting to see results. This all with a broken gpu fan. If the fan spun I'm sure it would lower temps 1 to 2c lower. Iets gt500 is powerful so cleaning the vents could be why I'm seeing idle temps of 27c and 4k video temps of 30c..lol..it actually made me laugh because the results topped what I figured was reasonable

 

turned off the cooler during stress test and temps slowly went north of 80 once it hit 85c I turned on cooler and temps lowered to 72c so I guess with simple reasoning the max temps with cooler is 72c and with a 155/300 overclock. cpu wasn't really stressed but topped out at 72c also. will run cinebench at 4.1ghz hopefully I can get a better score. was hoping for 14k-16k/

 

 

yep looks like im power throttling, tried 4.3ghz and no luck, best score so far 13 578 

 

I don't remember what my top timespy score was but this is pushing it. I think I broke 9500 gpu a few times but never broke 11k and 9500. 

 

I think with 3200mhz ram and 11800h/3060 its the top spot for the hardware

[Raiderman]

Got the new Bykski block installed. I will try and run some benchmarks this weekend to test it's performance.

 

I just read this article which apparently started at Anandtech. If this is true, Intel will be in a world of hurt.

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-5-cpu-core-architecture-over-40-percent-faster-than-zen-4/

[ryan]

looks like your running water. any pros and cons over car coolant. do you guys have laptops still and do you ever use them?

[Raiderman]

5 minutes ago, ryan said:

looks like your running water. any pros and cons over car coolant. do you guys have laptops still and do you ever use them?

I used to own a couple premium laptops. I had a Toshiba Quosimo back in the day, plus a couple MSI lappys. Right now I have a 13" HP trashbook that will play some games, but will give you a sunburn on your legs.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

looks like your running water. any pros and cons over car coolant. do you guys have laptops still and do you ever use them?

I used to run distilled water with an antimicrobial additive. I cannot identify any benefit to that. Automotive coolant is a superior alternative. It requires no maintenance.

 

I have a laptop that I use once in a great while. I sometimes forget that I have it. I don't hate laptops as much as I do smartphones, but I do find both are pretty miserable products in general. I won't use either one if I have access to my desktops. Neither of them will be replaced until they stop working because upgrading either one is a waste of money. I won't even use my smartphone for text messaging if I am at a computer because I loathe touch input so much. (I use Google Messages on my desktop instead of the phone.) The idea of owning a touch screen laptop makes me feel like punching someone.

  

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Got the new Bykski block installed. I will try and run some benchmarks this weekend to test it's performance.

That looks nice, bro.

[ryan]

im the exact opposite. I had a desktop when I was younger, always wanted a laptop. bought my first laptop and never looked back until recently when I was thinking why spend 5000 on a 4090 laptop when I could buy the same 4090 but desktop level setup for 5000. well im not spending 5000 I drew the line, computers are utilites and are utilised for personal enjoyment and work, since I don't work it's mainly for benching/gaming/consumption. I really am rare when it comes to uses of computers as most of you guys work or do more on them then play games. I like laptops for one reason and one reason only. I can use them as desktops hooked up to a monitor/tv and when i want to move to a couch just unplug and away I go. desktop would be my choice if I didn't have anxiety and the constant need to change surroundings. another thing if I want to say go to a local coffee shop and surf i can take my non flashing punch a baby in the mouth rgb zenbook. its professional looking and smaller.

 

you guys mention not going the laptop route which most of us on NBR started with but why the change? 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

this is now taking the crown over IC Diamond for me. liquid metal performance without the risk

The reason IC Diamond and PTM 7950 work so well is they are thick enough to fill all of the gaps and help make up for poor contact. Coincidentally, that is also the reason why liquid metal often does not work well for laptops. The poorer the fit of the heatsink, the more beneficial IC Diamond and PTM 7950 will be. What they lack in thermal conductivity is made up for in enhanced contact.

  

7 hours ago, ryan said:

Even with the pads poorly installed my temp drop is 8-15c that's in cinebench and I heard the pads get better with time

I would not worry about that. Tearing the thermal pad doesn't matter and your installation should work as well as if it looked pretty. Once it melts it will work the same as if looked like a perfect CGI rendering from the start. How it looked before it melted will be irrelevant.

  

27 minutes ago, ryan said:

you guys mention not going the laptop route which most of us on NBR started with but why the change?

Very simple. I got fed up with the crappy control-freak shenanigans and the shift in focus to thin and light dung, long battery life, low power consumption and castrated firmware and poor quality control. Once I dipped my toe back into desktop waters there was no going back again. There was a period of golden years for laptops, where they came within striking distance of an air-cooled desktop performance, but that era came and went. BGA ushered in the era of disposable compromised filth. Now laptops are only a marginal improvement over a cell phone with a keyboard. They might perform better than a cell phone, but they're designed in the same pathetic manner. Using a touchpad is as miserable as a touch screen. The only benefit in my mind is a larger screen and a real keyboard. If you're going to connect an external monitor and keyboard, then you may as well have a decent desktop to connect them to. Use the turdbook when your external monitor and keyboard are not available. Leave it turned off the rest of the time. That's how I roll now... only when necessary. Never because I prefer to.

 

The friendships that were built when laptops were respectable have lasted and I will take them to my grave. But, the original reason those friendships were formed is as dead as a doornail now.

[ryan]

well said, if it matters for what its worth, I have been using it basically as a desktop for 2 years now, I think ok like 2 times I used it as a laptop so theres that. I personally don't have a need for computers(just like gaming with them) but since I use them I value portability but yes the fact they are all bga now is pathetic if people want upgradability but it costs you 0.1 percent profit 10 times out of ten it will be removed. but its the same companies that make laptops as desktops and in one way shape or  form the same companies we hated for laptop jankiness we are supporting in other areas like msi. exceptions like evga but look at what happened to them.

 

I have troubles letting go of the past and live in the past a bit, I remember getting my first dedicated graphics laptop with the 2600hd and it was amazing at the time for my needs, sure their was the 8800gtx but seeing crysis on such a compact form when consoles were years behind was pretty great and felt good knowing I was getting a better expereince than most it was a special moment first booting up crysis

[ryan]

finally.

 

what felt like forever, finally able to max my system without temperature or power limit contraints. heres the end result

 

 

yep my highest in two years, feels good to finally see what this baby can do. its not a huge difference but 100 more on gpu and 1500 more on cpu Id say the 35 bucks was worth it and even with 4,6ghz its still peaking at only 87c.