*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, ryan said:

finally.

 

what felt like forever, finally able to max my system without temperature or power limit contraints. heres the end result

 

 

yep my highest in two years, feels good to finally see what this baby can do. its not a huge difference but 100 more on gpu and 1500 more on cpu Id say the 35 bucks was worth it and even with 4,6ghz its still peaking at only 87c.

Maybe one weekend when I don't have something that needs to be done I will tear apart my Precision 7720 and put some of the PTM 7950 termal paste I have on it. That's why I bought the PTM 7950 to begin with. I just haven't mustered enough desire to be bothered with the hassle. Whenever I need to use it I am always "impressed" by how hot it runs. I should put some on my wife's laptop (Eluktronics Mech 15). That sucker has always been a hot mess. It takes a lot for me to feel motivated to work on either one. The Mech 15 is much easier though. Just a few screws to remove the bottom cover and everything is accessible. But, it's demoralizing working on laptops to me now.

 

The Dell, of course, makes everything much more of a pain in the butt than it needs to be. Everything involves lots of unnecessary screws, cables and foolish rigmarole. Build quality 10/10. Intelligent, user-friendly design 1/10.

[Rage Set]

51 minutes ago, ryan said:

im the exact opposite. I had a desktop when I was younger, always wanted a laptop. bought my first laptop and never looked back until recently when I was thinking why spend 5000 on a 4090 laptop when I could buy the same 4090 but desktop level setup for 5000. well im not spending 5000 I drew the line, computers are utilites and are utilised for personal enjoyment and work, since I don't work it's mainly for benching/gaming/consumption. I really am rare when it comes to uses of computers as most of you guys work or do more on them then play games. I like laptops for one reason and one reason only. I can use them as desktops hooked up to a monitor/tv and when i want to move to a couch just unplug and away I go. desktop would be my choice if I didn't have anxiety and the constant need to change surroundings. another thing if I want to say go to a local coffee shop and surf i can take my non flashing punch a baby in the mouth rgb zenbook. its professional looking and smaller.

 

you guys mention not going the laptop route which most of us on NBR started with but why the change? 

 

I still buy gaming laptops, but they are no on the bleeding edge. My "current" gaming laptop is a Lenovo 7 with a 11980HK/3080 16GB.

 

I have always been desktop first, laptop second. I came on NBR in 2015/2016 because I was interested in getting a Clevo DTR and I started reading posts of Mr. Fox and others overclocking these machines. I purchased Mr. Fox's 980 Clevo and the rest is history. 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

But, it's demoralizing working on laptops to me now.

 

The Dell, of course, makes everything much more of a pain in the butt than it needs to be. Everything involves lots of unnecessary screws, cables and foolish rigmarole. Build quality 10/10. Intelligent, user-friendly design 1/10.

It's actually easier to take apart my cell phone, LOL. I have replaced the glass back on my OnePlus 8T twice in the past year and it's easier to do that than it is to replace thermal paste on a laptop, which is actually kind of absurd when you think about that. It's glued together and not supposed to be user-serviced, but it still requires less time and effort. 

 

And, yeah... having a glass back on a cell phone is about as idiotic as an idea could possibly ever be. Ludicrous. crApple made having brain damage and doing stupid stuff very popular.

[chew]

I dub this cpu the energizer.......it just keeps going ........

 

 

[ryan]

nice..that chip doesn't seem to wanna give in. nice scores

 

cinebench r23(?)

 

@Mr. Fox @Rage Set you guys should really check it out even for your air cooled desktops that is if you have them, you guys are always talking about water cooled. Its hard to say how much was dust temps and how much the paste helped but to throw this out there...i was getting 55c with vsync on without the ptm and now without vsync i see same temps with overclocks/undervolting. basically it has to be doing something because its never been this cool dust or no dust

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, ryan said:

nice..that chip doesn't seem to wanna give in. nice scores

 

cinebench r23(?)

 

@Mr. Fox @Rage Set you guys should really check it out even for your air cooled desktops that is if you have them, you guys are always talking about water cooled. Its hard to say how much was dust temps and how much the paste helped but to throw this out there...i was getting 55c with vsync on without the ptm and now without vsync i see same temps with overclocks/undervolting. basically it has to be doing something because its never been this cool dust or no dust

I do not run air cooling on my desktops. CPU, GPU and RAM are liquid cooled on both of my large desktops and my mini-ITX system has the CPU liquid cooled. I suppose if I got ambitious I could try some on my A770 one of these days. It still has the stock thermal paste.

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5522789_ | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6740847

https://hwbot.org/submission/5522800_ | https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/5232934

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, ryan said:

looks like your running water. any pros and cons over car coolant. do you guys have laptops still and do you ever use them?

 

I still have my Clevo NH55. Last of the quasi desktop CPU using models from them for Socket 1700.

 

I also have a Dell G5 15.6" I5-13650HX and RTX 4050 laptop and I just cracked open an Asus Vivobook Pro 15 OLED with an Ultra 7 155H and 3050 graphics.

 

I sold or gave away all my previous laptops so I'm down to these three in my arsenal. I tried an Asus G18 twice last year and returned them because of the armory crate, silicon quality, inability to really do anything with it and screen quality. The refreshed models now have mini led options but I'm still not seeing anything on the horizon calling me. I have an ultra thin 18" portable high refresh display that runs right off of USB-C/TB both signal and power I can take with me to game if I want a big screen experience.

 

14 hours ago, ryan said:

im the exact opposite. I had a desktop when I was younger, always wanted a laptop. bought my first laptop and never looked back until recently when I was thinking why spend 5000 on a 4090 laptop when I could buy the same 4090 but desktop level setup for 5000. well im not spending 5000 I drew the line, computers are utilites and are utilised for personal enjoyment and work, since I don't work it's mainly for benching/gaming/consumption. I really am rare when it comes to uses of computers as most of you guys work or do more on them then play games. I like laptops for one reason and one reason only. I can use them as desktops hooked up to a monitor/tv and when i want to move to a couch just unplug and away I go. desktop would be my choice if I didn't have anxiety and the constant need to change surroundings. another thing if I want to say go to a local coffee shop and surf i can take my non flashing punch a baby in the mouth rgb zenbook. its professional looking and smaller.

 

you guys mention not going the laptop route which most of us on NBR started with but why the change? 

 

Change for me was definitely the death of fully configurable laptops with interchangeable GPUs and CPUs along with memory, storage and wifi. The death of beefy, real heatsinks was also another "writing on the wall" situation as everything became about thin and light. My enthusiasm diminished quickly. Last real fun projects I did were the binning and tuning of the X170SM-G w/ Prema.

 

I did pick up a random X170KM-G, but it was one of those rare (and I do mean rare) instances where it came with a crazy golden 11900k and ran full tilt right out of the box. I didn't have to do anything. The 3070 in it also ran ice cold. There was literally nothing left to tune on it. The BIOS the professional company used ran rock solid and everything "just worked" right out of the box. I was both elated and saddened at the same time. 🤣

 

Now, I have no problem with thin and light laptops as I've used them along side the big boys but I want options too.

[jaybee83]

On 3/17/2024 at 4:57 PM, Raiderman said:

@electrosoft @jaybee83 we better grab Zen 5 on launch day.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-cpu-stock-crypto

 

totally on it, got both my wallet and F5 ready for action 😄 and then sell off my 7950X with a profit due to increased demand?! hahaha

 

also started building up the budget to get a 5090 on launch day, should be a nice upgrade year! 🙂

 

On 3/20/2024 at 9:42 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like it was a near twin to the turd chip I returned. SP102 (P117/E77) and here is the VF curve on that one... The cooler rating will directly affect the voltage values showing below the SP rating number and so will the LLC level, but those won't affect the VF curve.

 

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I cannot remember now from my X570 Crosshair @Rage Set maybe you or @jaybee83 know, does ASUS have an Silicon Prediction (SP) rating system for the AMD motherboards? 

 

yups they do. i *think* it was only introduced with AM5 though.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

totally on it, got both my wallet and F5 ready for action 😄 and then sell off my 7950X with a profit due to increased demand?! hahaha

 

also started building up the budget to get a 5090 on launch day, should be a nice upgrade year! 🙂

 

 

yups they do. i *think* it was only introduced with AM5 though.

 

I keep telling myself I'll stick with my MSI 4090 but I know I'll most likely snag the first MSRP 5090 that is one of my favorite/chosen models. I'm gonna fight REAL hard though!

 

I'll probably hold off of the 8950x and wait for the X3D unless the performance is that much better in gaming than the 7950X3D unless their value sky rockets.

 

Either way....

 

All I see in our future is this..... 🤣

 

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

All I see in our future is this..... 🤣

 

Those are all Dell products, so refresh is the only alternative since upgrades are out of the question.

[ryan]

its alot harder holding off then most think. This is the first time since buying laptops in a long while I skipped a generation. usually 30-40 percent uplift is all I want. the 5090 is going to be crazy fast for 4k/144 gaming. I can see it running everything at 4k high refresh rate and who knows what AI feature they will add this time, frame gen was pretty big, it doubled framerates at very little visual loss

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, ryan said:

its alot harder holding off then most think. This is the first time since buying laptops in a long while I skipped a generation. usually 30-40 percent uplift is all I want. the 5090 is going to be crazy fast for 4k/144 gaming. I can see it running everything at 4k high refresh rate and who knows what AI feature they will add this time, frame gen was pretty big, it doubled framerates at very little visual loss

Probably not if it is weighed in ounces/grams, is 3mm thick, uses a USB charger and has a TGP of 15W.

[ryan]

I regret not going desktop when i had the money. only issues I have now are connecting to 6ghz wifi so that geforce now works better. no articles that I can find on google and no one seems to know.

[chew]

Bench partner msimax hit the other 8500g I had that I gave him hard tonight.

 

you remember msimax raiderman 🙂

 

Anyway he cracked 192xx multi mem score as well. Thats my boy. 👍

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

I regret not going desktop when i had the money. only issues I have now are connecting to 6ghz wifi so that geforce now works better. no articles that I can find on google and no one seems to know.

I let my son try GeForce now right before we built his PC. He actually played it on my MacBook Air M1 16GB/1TB. It worked pretty good! We had access to a RTX4080. And he could actually play PC games. It was a free 7 day pass. But I thought it was really cool. Now that he has an actual RTX3060 though, no need for it anymore lol. If I didn’t have a decent gpu. I’d use it for sure. 

[ryan]

yeah I use it for my ultra books, at 1080p-1440p its good for 4k your going to want pretty good internet. I upgraded to internet 1.5gig and switched to shaw for better ping, the results are that it does look better but still not quite native looking. I dont mind playing on my tv in the living room it looks great but in my bedroom up close on my oled it still looks blotchy sometimes.

 

If I had a A770 or 3060ti i'd be set my 3060 is getting weak in the knees im having troubles getting a solid 60fps but thanks to this PTM7950 im able to run overclocks with good temps, brought up my frames 10fps. Im playing grid legends at the moment and with 4k ultra its around 50-90fps it swings pretty hard especially when its raining in the game.

 

 

heres something cool I tried recreating exact images one is geforce now ultra high one is my 3060 ultra high see if you can spot which is just a 4080 and video...note this is not common for geforce now as most people wont have 1.5gig internet and great ping as well as a good router.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I use it for my ultra books, at 1080p-1440p its good for 4k your going to want pretty good internet. I upgraded to internet 1.5gig and switched to shaw for better ping, the results are that it does look better but still not quite native looking. I dont mind playing on my tv in the living room it looks great but in my bedroom up close on my oled it still looks blotchy sometimes.

 

If I had a A770 or 3060ti i'd be set my 3060 is getting weak in the knees im having troubles getting a solid 60fps but thanks to this PTM7950 im able to run overclocks with good temps, brought up my frames 10fps. Im playing grid legends at the moment and with 4k ultra its around 50-90fps it swings pretty hard especially when its raining in the game.

Isn’t that a laptop 3060? How does it perform compared to a desktop? Me and my son overclocked his 3060 and we got 2440 in Speedway. I thought it was pretty good and on par with RTX4060. (Not 3060Ti fast, but not too bad either) my son would be better suited with a 1080P monitor. He’s actually using a 2560x1440P. Some games can really push the 3060. But fortunately my son is not all that picky. He just wants to be able to run games. Which cannot be done on a iGPU. We can drop his graphics a little and he’s good to go usually. But he usually plays VR, and the 3060 12GB absolutely kills it in VR.  

[ryan]

yeah I owned a quest 2 and the experience was incredibly good for a older mid range card its enough and all you will need for all vr games. check out the pic above can you spot which is which.

 

i dont know about speed way but id imagine id be around 2400 if the benchmark worked properly. a 4k one i like to run heres time spy extreme. see if you get similar or better and id say your/he is set. 

upload image

[Raiderman]

11 hours ago, chew said:

Bench partner msimax hit the other 8500g I had that I gave him hard tonight.

 

you remember msimax raiderman 🙂

 

Anyway he cracked 192xx multi mem score as well. Thats my boy. 👍

I do remember him! Atta boy 🤙

 

The new Bykski waterblock runs around 2c cooler than the stock Raijintek. I was able to get personal bests on several benchmarks, running my full fledged windows 10 ltsc.

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah I use it for my ultra books, at 1080p-1440p its good for 4k your going to want pretty good internet. I upgraded to internet 1.5gig and switched to shaw for better ping, the results are that it does look better but still not quite native looking. I dont mind playing on my tv in the living room it looks great but in my bedroom up close on my oled it still looks blotchy sometimes.

 

If I had a A770 or 3060ti i'd be set my 3060 is getting weak in the knees im having troubles getting a solid 60fps but thanks to this PTM7950 im able to run overclocks with good temps, brought up my frames 10fps. Im playing grid legends at the moment and with 4k ultra its around 50-90fps it swings pretty hard especially when its raining in the game.

 

 

heres something cool I tried recreating exact images one is geforce now ultra high one is my 3060 ultra high see if you can spot which is just a 4080 and video...note this is not common for geforce now as most people wont have 1.5gig internet and great ping as well as a good router.

 

 

 

It’s gonna be impossible to tell the difference. Everytime I upload an image and share it on here the quality looks nothing like the actual photos took. It’s hard to capture what you’re seeing. So you can upload two pics and it dumbs them both down to a similar dullness. 
 

You have fiber optic internet? 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah I use it for my ultra books, at 1080p-1440p its good for 4k your going to want pretty good internet. I upgraded to internet 1.5gig and switched to shaw for better ping, the results are that it does look better but still not quite native looking. I dont mind playing on my tv in the living room it looks great but in my bedroom up close on my oled it still looks blotchy sometimes.

 

If I had a A770 or 3060ti i'd be set my 3060 is getting weak in the knees im having troubles getting a solid 60fps but thanks to this PTM7950 im able to run overclocks with good temps, brought up my frames 10fps. Im playing grid legends at the moment and with 4k ultra its around 50-90fps it swings pretty hard especially when its raining in the game.

 

 

heres something cool I tried recreating exact images one is geforce now ultra high one is my 3060 ultra high see if you can spot which is just a 4080 and video...note this is not common for geforce now as most people wont have 1.5gig internet and great ping as well as a good router.

 

 

 

 

If I was using GFN, I would use ethernet for optimal latency to the router/CM.

 

3060 is still solid for 1080p gaming and realistic settings.

 

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Isn’t that a laptop 3060? How does it perform compared to a desktop? Me and my son overclocked his 3060 and we got 2440 in Speedway. I thought it was pretty good and on par with RTX4060. (Not 3060Ti fast, but not too bad either) my son would be better suited with a 1080P monitor. He’s actually using a 2560x1440P. Some games can really push the 3060. But fortunately my son is not all that picky. He just wants to be able to run games. Which cannot be done on a iGPU. We can drop his graphics a little and he’s good to go usually. But he usually plays VR, and the 3060 12GB absolutely kills it in VR.  

 

 

3060 laptop and desktop are much closer than previous generations:

 

 

 

Only downfall I can think of the 3000 vs 4000 series at the xx60 point is the lack of FG which can really help in pockets.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Happy Easter, everyone. He is risen!

 

Here is some humor for you. Good thing Tony and Alex are friends, LOL.

 

[Raiderman]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy Easter, everyone. He is risen!

 

Here is some humor for you. Good thing Tony and Alex are friends, LOL.

 

Happy Easter to you too my friend!

[tps3443]

20 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If I was using GFN, I would use ethernet for optimal latency to the router/CM.

 

3060 is still solid for 1080p gaming and realistic settings.

 

 

 

3060 laptop and desktop are much closer than previous generations:

 

 

 

Only downfall I can think of the 3000 vs 4000 series at the xx60 point is the lack of FG which can really help in pockets.

 

 

 

 

I considered this about the 4060, however it is only 8GB which further hurts its performance and 1% lows especially. Making it a useless GPU for newly launched titles as most aren’t optimized all that great. If I’m not mistake though I think game devs are hesitant to optimize for 8GB VRAM. Apparently it’s too time consuming. Check these 1% lows on 8GB 4060. So in this case even with a 4060 having Frame Gen, It still won’t save it.