*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yikes! That is truly repulsive behavior. It is hard to relate to a segment of consumers that approve of that type of approach. It is a very foreign concept to me and difficult to appreciate. The fact that it is so ungodly expensive makes it an even tougher pill to swallow.

See for yourself... This is even worse than what Dell Alienware offer for their desktops with 14th gen Cpus. 120 mm AIOs in 2024 is perverse. 

Creative achievement

Corsair has slightly slowed down the Core i9-14900K in the One i500 compared to the specifications of PL1 = PL2 = 253 watts communicated by Intel to date. The decision was made independently of the recent discussion about Intel's 13th and 14th generation K CPUs - most likely with a view to the 120 mm AiO water cooling that the system offers for the processor.

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

See for yourself... This is even worse than what Dell Alienware offer for their desktops with 14th gen Cpus. 120 mm AIOs in 2024 is perverse. 

Creative achievement

Corsair has slightly slowed down the Core i9-14900K in the One i500 compared to the specifications of PL1 = PL2 = 253 watts communicated by Intel to date. The decision was made independently of the recent discussion about Intel's 13th and 14th generation K CPUs - most likely with a view to the 120 mm AiO water cooling that the system offers for the processor.

 

Yeah, I saw. Using a 240mm AIO for the GPU, not cooling the GPU VRMs and then putting a 120mm AIO on the CPU. That is a ludicrous approach to things no matter how you slice it.

[electrosoft]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, right on. I have lots of very good friends and relatives that I love very much that have different opinions and ideas. It doesn't diminish my love for them as friends and relatives. I respect their opinion and I am willing to learn why they think the things they think, even if I don't agree with them. I expect the same courtesy in return. What does greatly diminish my respect for other human beings is that mentality that anyone who disagrees is an enemy that is deserving of hatred and needing to be ostrasized and silenced, or ended. People like that are sub-human and they are the ones that are a threat to a decent and peacable way of life.

 

It's scary how so many have lost the ability to agree to disagree and remain amicable. Identity politics and extremism on both sides hyper inflated by social media makes it rough waters out there and I've seen life long friendships disintegrate over politics and/or religion. I have numerous friends and loved ones on both sides of the aisle and watching some of their life long relationships with each other obliterated is disheartening.

 

As for hardware, everybody has their own personal criteria and use cases. I do see your fervent argument @Mr. Fox about neutering BIOS because Intel messed up big time and were over zealous with their CPUs in the need to compete and clearly as data has gushed in, Intel sees a need to cap PL/AMPS because they were redlining their chips. I'm all for issuing bios updates that change the default profile to Intel's new recommended spec which is a massive nerf (125w/188w? Wow). What I do not want to see happen is an AMD hardline cap to voltage and allow users to OC as they see fit at their own risk. Imagine someone who dropped serious coin on binned chips and top end motherboards like Encores and Tachyons to purposely overclock suddenly having to make the choice of being capped at the bios level or never being able to update their bios to retain full control over their chip.

 

Lastly,

 

As we enter the end phase of Ada, 4090 reigns supreme but for me this cycle's clear price:performance winner is the 4070 Super:

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Here is some tech that would be a ton of fun to play with, and dangerous if not played with wisely.

 

 

Edit: this looks equally fun. I like the propane tanks right after the car door. 🤣

 

 

[Papusan]

It seems my 14900K will be gone tomorrow on the used market 🙂 I have reserved the cpu to the buyer today. The asking price was 6000. But we meet at 5500 NOK ($504 USD). The nice thing with the main used market here is we don't have to pay any fees. 

 

https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=144425092

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

It seems my 14900K will be gone tomorrow on the used market 🙂 I have reserved the cpu to the buyer today. The asking price was 6000. But we meet at 5500 NOK ($504 USD). The nice thing with the main used market here is we don't have to pay any fees. 

 

https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=144425092

Congratulations brother. You got a good price for it and it came close to covering the cost of your 14900KS. So it turned out that your 14900KS was better silicon?

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Congratulations brother. You got a good price for it and it came close to covering the cost of your 14900KS. So it turned out that your 14900KS was better silicon?

Thanks. Happy I could get such money back. Yep better but not fantastic. The KS is SP105. But I can bench up to 6.5GHz depending on the benchmarks so not bad. Mind you I could get more out of it with direct die and delidding. But I won't spend more money on this platform. I rather hope I can get most of my money back in the used market if not Arrrow lake is a flop as it looks like. The damn AI hype is destroying the tech furture. 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. Happy I could get such money back. Yep better but not fantastic. The KS is SP105. But I can bench up to 6.5GHz depending on the benchmarks so not bad. Mind you I could get more out of it with direct die and delidding. But I won't spend more money on this platform. I rather hope I can get most of my money back in the used market if not Arrrow lake is a flop as it looks like. The damn AI hype is destroying the tech furture. 

Artificial intelligence is an adjective that accurate describes those who are promoting AI technology.

[Papusan]

No, Intel isn't recommending baseline power profiles to fix crashing CPUs

Intel says that reports saying that it is recommending a "baseline" power profile to solve instability issues in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core CPUs aren't true.

 

 

Intel has denied a report saying that it’s asking its motherboard partners to implement lower, “baseline” power profiles to solve instability issues and potentially Nerf performance in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core processors.. Instead, it’s the opposite: “Intel is not recommending motherboard manufacturers to use ‘baseline’ power delivery settings on boards capable of higher values,” an Intel spokesman said in an email.

 

 

 

Intel issues official statement on Core K-series crashes: stick to Intel's official power profiles tomshardware.com| Today May 8, 2024

[Talon]

23 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It's scary how so many have lost the ability to agree to disagree and remain amicable. Identity politics and extremism on both sides hyper inflated by social media makes it rough waters out there and I've seen life long friendships disintegrate over politics and/or religion. I have numerous friends and loved ones on both sides of the aisle and watching some of their life long relationships with each other obliterated is disheartening.

 

As for hardware, everybody has their own personal criteria and use cases. I do see your fervent argument @Mr. Fox about neutering BIOS because Intel messed up big time and were over zealous with their CPUs in the need to compete and clearly as data has gushed in, Intel sees a need to cap PL/AMPS because they were redlining their chips. I'm all for issuing bios updates that change the default profile to Intel's new recommended spec which is a massive nerf (125w/188w? Wow). What I do not want to see happen is an AMD hardline cap to voltage and allow users to OC as they see fit at their own risk. Imagine someone who dropped serious coin on binned chips and top end motherboards like Encores and Tachyons to purposely overclock suddenly having to make the choice of being capped at the bios level or never being able to update their bios to retain full control over their chip.

 

Lastly,

 

As we enter the end phase of Ada, 4090 reigns supreme but for me this cycle's clear price:performance winner is the 4070 Super:

 

 

 

 

I've got the $599 4070 Super FE and it's an incredible card. The price to perf is unreal. 

[Talon]

53 minutes ago, Papusan said:

No, Intel isn't recommending baseline power profiles to fix crashing CPUs

Intel says that reports saying that it is recommending a "baseline" power profile to solve instability issues in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core CPUs aren't true.

 

 

Intel has denied a report saying that it’s asking its motherboard partners to implement lower, “baseline” power profiles to solve instability issues and potentially Nerf performance in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core processors.. Instead, it’s the opposite: “Intel is not recommending motherboard manufacturers to use ‘baseline’ power delivery settings on boards capable of higher values,” an Intel spokesman said in an email.

 

 

 

Intel issues official statement on Core K-series crashes: stick to Intel's official power profiles tomshardware.com| Today May 8, 2024

 

Pretty much just as I had said before. 253/253 and 320/320 with max 400a for defaults and gaming/daily's. This is not rocket science. But idiot outlets ran around recommending downclocking, using unsafe Intel Fail Safe SVID, and a host of other wild ideas. 

 

If you can't use the recommended settings, RMA. Simple really. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

I've got the $599 4070 Super FE and it's an incredible card. The price to perf is unreal. 

 

It really is. I tried to make the math work to upgrade the wife's Strix 3080 10GB but as much as I "Beautiful Mind"'ed it, it just didn't make sense. 🙂

 

58 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Pretty much just as I had said before. 253/253 and 320/320 with max 400a for defaults and gaming/daily's. This is not rocket science. But idiot outlets ran around recommending downclocking, using unsafe Intel Fail Safe SVID, and a host of other wild ideas. 

 

If you can't use the recommended settings, RMA. Simple really. 

 

Yup, you called this out weeks ago. Even when working with SFF 13900ks last year, the logic was to enforce the limits before fine tuning with a UV to work with a 280mm and it was still hitting 41.8k no problem in CB23 with killer temps.

 

I ended up enforcing ~400a 300/300 and that 13900KS ran so smooth on that 280mm in the small case and never throttled.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I haven't found any need to cap amps or power. I am running with both maxed out, and I am using my mini-ITX system with fixed voltage and 57x all P and 46x all E-core overclock and the RAM manually overclocked to 8200 with no stability or peformance issues with the EK 360 Nucleus. I have never, even once, needed to do such a thing, so there must be some really extremely awful silicon samples out there for anyone to have to do this because of instability. I could see where it might be necessary for thermal management if a weak thermal solution is utilized, but not for stability reasons.

 

Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to Winduhz even once.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Artificial intelligence is an adjective that accurate describes those who are promoting AI technology.

 

Apple claims its M4 chip's AI will obliterate PCs. Nah, not really

Apple launched its Apple M4 processor on Tuesday inside of the new iPad Pro, claiming that it can outperform a PC in AI. If true, it will only be for just a few weeks.

 

Then you have this....

 

Alleged Apple M4 Geekbench scores show incremental improvement in machine learning over last gen

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't found any need to caps amps or power. I am running with both maxed out, and I am using my mini-ITX system with fixed voltage and 57x all P and 46x all E-core overclock and the RAM manually overclocked to 8200 with no stability or peformance issues with the EK 360 Nucleus. I have never, even once, needed to do such a thing, so there must be some really extremely awful silicon samples out there for anyone to have to do this because of instability. I could see where it might be necessary for thermal management if a weak thermal solution is utilized, but not for stability reasons.

 

Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to Winduhz even once.

 

I expect many that experience crashes use lower binned parts and not good enough cooling. We both know there is a major difference in bin quality for boards, Cpu's and mem sticks. Pair it with no clue how to use bios settings and you'll experience disaster. This is also main reason for some people experience problems with so called default settings with Intel's recommended power and Amp, + voltage bios settings. If the Cpu crash instead for throttling down speed and voltage (same as for cpu's in Jokebooks start throttle at 100C works time after time), the cooling ain't good enough or they really lost in the silicon lottery. Or got defective parts that need to be RMA'd. You have also those that play with AC/DC loadline paired with massive undervolt to try keep their Cpu's to run below 100C because of cheapo colling. As well awful bad implemented AI overclocking features. Yup, many roads lead to Rome Crashes

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I expect many that experience crashes use lower binned parts and not good enough cooling. We both know there is a major difference in bin quality for boards, Cpu's and mem sticks. Pair it with no clue how to use bios settings and you'll experience disaster. This is also main reason for some people experience problems with so called default settings with Intel's recommended power and Amp, + voltage bios settings. If the Cpu crash instead for throttling down speed and voltage (same as for cpu's in Jokebooks start throttle at 100C works time after time), the cooling ain't good enough or they really lost in the silicon lottery. Or got defective parts that need to be RMA'd. You have also those that play with ACDC loadline paired with massive undervolt to try keep their Cpu's to run below 100C because of cheapo colling. As well awful bad implemented AI overclocking feature. Yup, many roads lead to Rome Crashes

💯 - many are quick to blame Intel, and it doesn't help that there are trash silicon samples out there. Those are Intel's fault. But, I agree that a substantial contributing cause is end-user ignorance... not knowing how to tune anything, and expecting to get world-class results from dollar-store grade parts, and trying to insert high-end components in a low budget build. I see examples of silly gamerboys trying to use 13/14900K/KF/KS and 4090/7900 XTX in crappy air-cooled systems with cheap motherboards, cases and power supplies. And they wonder why they have problems, LOL.

[Papusan]

More crap. But from AMD this time. They licking Microsofts asssses. What's the problem offer Windows 10 drivers? This older OS is still not EOL when Zen 5 is out. Disgusting!!!

 

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-5-cpus-10-percent-ipc-increase-more-in-cinebench-r23-single-thread-test/

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

More crap. But from AMD this time. They licking Microsofts asssses. What's the problem offer Windows 10 drivers? This older OS is still not EOL when Zen 5 is out. Disgusting!!!

 

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-5-cpus-10-percent-ipc-increase-more-in-cinebench-r23-single-thread-test/

That is truly appalling and I hope that horribly tragic and unrecoverably devastating things happen to Micro$oft and they end up filing bankruptcy. They do not deserve to live anymore (speaking of the company, not the individuals employed by them and their families, other than finding a new place to work).

 

Brother @Raiderman is going to love hearing he won't even be able to get Windows 10 drivers. Hopefully they will be easy enough to mod for Windows 10, but the Redmond Reprobate Cartel have been pretty effective at going full-psycho-Nazi on blocking Windows 7 driver mods.

 

This also is an extremely negative reflection on AMD for being so willing to bow down and worship the biggest coward clown possee in the technology space (Micro$lop). But, don't be too surprised if Intel joins them in elevating the coward clown possee and validating their criminal behavior. It's probably just AMD being the first to prostitute themselves.

 

The level of blind obeissance the industry demonstrates to Redmond's Digital Dictatorship is too repulsive for words. I think the only possible ways to explain it is that it is being driven either by  inter-industry collusion or blackmail. Either way, it is criminal by nature and intent. Their malign approach to things should be against the law.

 

Allowing hemorrhoids to go untreated can have undesirable complications. Now we have an example of what can happen when you pretend they will get better with time and do nothing.

[ryan]

 

4080 175w

i9 13900k

32gb ddr5

1 tb

miniled display.1600p

 

lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike

 

 

best score out of like 40 000 submissions for 4080. im happy enough..this is not a benchmarking laptop. 100c yikes but we all knew this with these gamer girl laptops.(papusan)

 

broke 50k gpu in firestirke

 

Im getting 3080ti desktop performance with this thing in games and with FG in some games its double a 3080.

 

i7 12700k 4080 ddr5 performance outta this sucker in horizon 5. Im getting 170-190fps with dlss set to quality and FG on with extreme settings at 1600p. 76c gpu 90c cpu.

 

I hope the 5k series is a bust now..want my moneys worth

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, ryan said:

4080 175w

i9 13900k

32gb ddr5

1 tb

miniled display.1600p

 

lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike

Did you buy a desktop? What did you get?

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did you buy a desktop? What did you get?

Probably Acer (Predator) from what I see from the motherboard SKU. Aka Gaming Jokebook https://www.3dmark.com/fs/31774095

 

Still congrats bro @ryan🙂

 

9 hours ago, ryan said:

lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike

 

Disable 3 of the E-cores for 3DM Fire Strike benchmarks. But keep all cores for Sky Diver, TS and TSE. Disable all baby-cores for 3DMark11. Yup, the hybrid core mess from Intel ain't fun and happy benching🙂

 

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Some Nvidia AIB partners washing their hands... It's user errors as Nvidia so sweetly said. 

 

NVIDIA’s AIB Partner, Manli, Rejects RMA Request For “Melted” GeForce RTX 4090 GPU, Says Its “User Error”

 

At Quasarzone's Forum, an individual reports that he bought a Manli GeForce RTX 4090 that came 12VHPWR GPU connector, and he was told to use the GPU with included connectors or else warranty services wouldn't be entertained.

 

Does that mean you shouldn't or can't use the 12VHPWR cables that follow the different PSU manufacturers power supplies? If so.... Is the new ATX 3.0 + PCI-SIG’s PCIe Gen 5 standard useless? Because you aren't alowed to use their PCIe Gen 5 graphics cables. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Probably Acer (Predator) from what I see from the motherboard SKU. Aka Gaming Jokebook https://www.3dmark.com/fs/31774095

 

Below is what confused me. The specs mentioned do not match the information in benchmark links.

So, I am not sure why those specs are mentioned. 13900HX is not at all equivalent to 13900K.

9 hours ago, ryan said:

4080 175w

i9 13900k

32gb ddr5

1 tb

miniled display.1600p

 

[Papusan]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Below is what confused me. The specs mentioned do not match the information in benchmark links.

So, I am not sure why those specs are mentioned.

 

 

Yup he tried confuse us😃 But see.... best score out of like 40 000 submissions for 4080. im happy enough..this is not a benchmarking laptop. 100c yikes but we all knew this with these gamer girl laptops.(papusan).

 

Not a benchmarking laptop(these gamer girl laptops. papusan)... Because it run 100C😀 And who'm would castrate his 4080 card down to 175w ? Sure there are some that are willing to do that... But why buy 4080 cards then? 

 

Both baby girl laptops or 4080 desktop cards capped at 175w is awful.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, ryan said:

 

4080 175w

i9 13900k

32gb ddr5

1 tb

miniled display.1600p

 

lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike

 

 

best score out of like 40 000 submissions for 4080. im happy enough..this is not a benchmarking laptop. 100c yikes but we all knew this with these gamer girl laptops.(papusan)

 

broke 50k gpu in firestirke

 

Im getting 3080ti desktop performance with this thing in games and with FG in some games its double a 3080.

 

i7 12700k 4080 ddr5 performance outta this sucker in horizon 5. Im getting 170-190fps with dlss set to quality and FG on with extreme settings at 1600p. 76c gpu 90c cpu.

 

I hope the 5k series is a bust now..want my moneys worth

 

Congrats! I had a feeling in the end you were going to go with a laptop as they really are your true love computing wise.

 

I love laptops too just as much as desktops so I get it. 🙂

 

Post up full specs on the system, a pic of it and a Timespy.

 

 

[ryan]

lol sorry bro not a 13900k I meant i9-13900HX

 

Its by what I gather a flawed system, but what isn't.

 

Acer Predator

PH16-71-948L

https://www.visions.ca/product/acer-predator-helios-16-16-intel-i9-13900hx-rtx4080-32gb-1tb-ssd-windows-11-home-gaming-laptop-abyssal-black

 

paid 2997 all in no tax.

 

Its double the performance, so basically I can do 4k gaming the same as my 3060 does 1440p.

 

stock I got 19000 in time spy so thats a good baseline.

 

50k has been broken about 10 times so I guess im like 6th in firestrike gpu and I havent even set up the laptop, just messing around trials, will be putting in my 4tb 7400mbs ssd soon and using a fresh install of windows with my tweaks, should be able to nudge a top spot and get over 22000 in timespy

 

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

lol sorry bro not a 13900k I meant i9-13900HX

 

Its by what I gather a flawed system, but what isn't.

 

Acer Predator

PH16-71-948L

https://www.visions.ca/product/acer-predator-helios-16-16-intel-i9-13900hx-rtx4080-32gb-1tb-ssd-windows-11-home-gaming-laptop-abyssal-black

 

paid 2997 all in no tax.

 

Its double the performance, so basically I can do 4k gaming the same as my 3060 does 1440p.

 

stock I got 19000 in time spy so thats a good baseline.

 

50has been broken about 10 times so I guess im like 6th in firestrike gpu and I havent even setup the laptop, just messing around trials, will be putting in my 4tb 7400mbs ssd soon and using a fresh install of windows with my tweaks, should be able to nudge a top spot and get over 22000 in timespy

 

 

However you look at it, it is a monstrous upgrade over your old laptop! Down the road, PTM7950 + tuning the voltages will net even more performance.

 

Congrats!