*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

There are still some things that need looking into but its more of a "see where the trend starts" type of metric. 

 

Otherwise some updates and maintenance was done to the forum and things should be back to snuff.

It seemed better just now. When I came back everything loaded quickly.

[Reciever]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

It seemed better just now. When I came back everything loaded quickly.

 

Perfect, there was a recent update to the forum software to address some issues but we're still monitoring it all the same.

[Raiderman]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

And same can be said about Zen5 Ryzen cpu's if the rumors is correct. Not keep up with an older gen Intel Cpu in single core workload with the new and shiny coming from AMD is embarrassing. But as you know.... They all will put all the rotten eggs in same basket so... Why bother with real performance improvements that doesn't cater to AI? The whole tech industry is pretty rotten.

 

Microsoft has opened up for a throwaway mentality with Copilot feature in their OS. And all HW manufacturers wants to join the journey. Buy now, then throwaway tomorrow. How long will Microsoft let you use your current hardware  before they push new hardware requirements for newer OS builds?

Tbh I'm not interested in anything single threaded, and there isn't many, if any, current games or software that do not take advantage of multi-thread cpu's. I don't run any of those benchmarks either, because what's the point? Seeing if your excel spreadsheet opens a micro second faster? I haven't cared about single threaded benchmarking for over a decade.

[Mr. Fox]

48 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Tbh I'm not interested in anything single threaded, and there isn't many, if any, current games or software that do not take advantage of multi-thread cpu's. I don't run any of those benchmarks either, because what's the point? Seeing if your excel spreadsheet opens a micro second faster? I haven't cared about single threaded benchmarking for over a decade.

Word. Same. Single thread is for baby-girls. SIngle-thread overclocking is Frank Azor nonsense.

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On another note... good. Glad to hear this. Hopefully, it will result in legal sanctions and hefty fines. They deserve it.

 

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

Perfect, there was a recent update to the forum software to address some issues but we're still monitoring it all the same.

Looks like I spoke too soon. Accessing the forum this morning is painfully slow like before.

[Reciever]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like I spoke too soon. Accessing the forum this morning is painfully slow like before.

 

Yes it's been observed on my end as well as the backend. It's going to take some time before we can commit a full dive work/home has been hectic due to power issues up here in dfw. 

 

Definitely the weekend is what we're targeting. 

[Papusan]

@Mr. Fox The cat has come out from the bag. I got answer on my legit question about why not go back to the roots. Directly from UL/Futuremark's representative. The whole reason UL/Futuremark have changed  goal and how they make and design new modern 3DM benchmarks is because of stupid PC users. The sad truth.... Stupid PC users is the main reason we have got toy-like benchmark software from UI that can't or don't show how your pc doing in workflow and in games as for etc 3D benchmarks. Didn't understand = Stupid. Isnt that correct explained bro @ryan?🤔 

 

Now you all can see why 3DM Steel Nomad never ever will be a real 3DM Time Spy replacement. It was too complicated to understand by the (average) modern computer user/gamers.

 

The 3DMark Time Spy benchmark produces a 3DMark Time Spy score, a Graphics test sub-score, and a CPU test sub-score. The scores are rounded to the nearest integer. The better a system's performance, the higher the score. Is it very complicated bro @ryan? Do you need a master of science to understand this very "complicated" metrics? Or is dumb the new normal?

 

Me who thought the world was going forwards and that people become smarter due more helpful tools and more help on the internet. When >I was a kid.... I only had books.... Maybe young people should go back to books and start use pc's and internet less? 

 

 

You can ask yourself.... What will AI do for tomorrows computer users/gamers or ordinary people? Make them dumber than ever? @Rage Set

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox The cat has come out from the bag. I got answer on my legit question about why not go back to the roots. Directly from UL/Futuremark's representative. The whole reason UL/Futuremark have changed  goal and how they make and design new modern 3DM benchmarks is because of stupid PC users. The sad truth.... Stupid PC users is the main reason we have got toy-like benchmark software from UI that can't or don't show how your pc doing in workflow and in games as for etc 3D benchmarks. Didn't understand = Stupid. Isnt that correct explained bro @ryan?🤔 

 

Me who thought the world was going forwards and that people become smarter due more helpful tools and more help on the internet. When >I was a kid.... I only had books.... Maybe young people should go back to books and start use pc's and internet less? 

 

 

 

 

I can see their logic isolating and having targeted tests for the GPU and CPU individually, but depending on CPU it still carries some weight in the score at a certain point and should be reflected somewhere even if as a percentage.

 

We do have to remember we are the drastic minority here in regards to what we do and what we expect out of our hardware/software. It is what it is. 😞

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox The cat has come out from the bag. I got answer on my legit question about why not go back to the roots. Directly from UL/Futuremark's representative. The whole reason UL/Futuremark have changed  goal and how they make and design new modern 3DM benchmarks is because of stupid PC users. The sad truth.... Stupid PC users is the main reason we have got toy-like benchmark software from UI that can't or don't show how your pc doing in workflow and in games as for etc 3D benchmarks. Didn't understand = Stupid. Isnt that correct explained bro @ryan?🤔 

 

Now you all can see why 3DM Steel Nomad never ever will be a real 3DM Time Spy replacement. It was too complicated to understand by the (average) modern computer user/gamers.

 

Me who thought the world was going forwards and that people become smarter due more helpful tools and more help on the internet. When >I was a kid.... I only had books.... Maybe young people should go back to books and start use pc's and internet less? 

 

 

You can ask yourself.... What will AI do for tomorrows computer users/gamers? Make them dumber than ever? @Rage Set

Well, at least his response confirms what I believe. Stupid is the new normal and extremely common. Businesses generally take one of two approaches. 

1. Do what is best for the business. What customers consumers want does not matter. Screw 'em. We will do as we wish, and consumers will continue using our sucky products because they need them. We have them over a barrel (e.g. Micro$lop Windoze, crApple Mac OS).
2. Do what most customers want, even when it is wrong and totally stupid. It doesn't matter if our product sucks if it is what they want. It's their fault that our product sucks. They're stupid, but we want their money.

[Papusan]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, at least his response confirms what I believe. Stupid is the new normal and extremely common. Businesses generally take one of two approaches. 

1. Do what is best for the business. What customers think does not matter. They need us. We will do as we wish, and they will continue using our sucky products because they need them. We have them over a barrel (e.g. Micro$lop Windoze, crApple Mac OS).
2. Do what most customers want, even when it is wrong and totally stupid. It doesn't matter if our product sucks if it is what they want. It's their fault that our product sucks.

 

Yep. I didn't expect another answer on my question. In short... He said people wasn't smart enough to understand the score ranking and or the benchmarks. And now you clearly can understand why the modern tech has become as it is. See bolded text in your reply/quote. And the bottom of my reply here.

 

Would be better if the users spent less money... This would force the tech industry to change to the better. See the whole  video.

 

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice. Maybe Nvidia may go back to smaller coolers for their next gen graphics cards. The current gen 4090 cooler is designed for above 600W. But as we know... AMD didn'twant to compete for the performance crown. Already now we see Nvidia partners toying with slimmer coolers for4090 (cut costs). I expect we will see a real cut down on  cooling capacity for next gen cards (MSRP cards).

 

In short... Nvidia could shrink max allowed power for their next gen graphics cards. A smart move... This will reduce the chances for burned up cards as 4090 due the new modern slimy  and thin trash 12+4  power connectors.

 

Nvidia vs gamers = 3-0

Geforce RTX 5090 may be smaller than RTX 4090

• Graphics card
• today 20:00

According to new information, Nvidia's Founders Edition variant of the Geforce RTX 5090 will be a notch smaller than its predecessor.

 

RTX 5090 may be surprisingly svelte — twin-slot, twin-fan model on the way, says leaker

 

If this new information is true, it makes the RTX 5090 a much slimmer design than the 4090 FE, which was delivered with a triple-slot cooling solution. Other AIB partners offer larger even 4090 designs that could take up almost four slots. A smaller and slimmer flagship GPU would be a welcome change after several generations of larger and larger GPUs.

 

Yup, some don't understand "why you can slim down" the cooling capacity. With less or lower power consumption (shrinked board power) you don't need huge coolers anymore. 

 

All this signaling more power efficient GPU's. Or that Nvidia know 100% for sure that AMD don't have something to compete with.

 

Just rumors but it fits very well with the rumored info above.... Why max out the performance if the competitors doesn't want to compete? Capped down GPU in all ways doesn't need huge coolers.

 

 

Here's more disgusting new modern tech.... Spacetop

[electrosoft]

Picked up a 1300w MSI MEG AI1300w PSU (LOL at the "AI" now included) from Amazon Warehouse for $142.00. Let's see how it is when it arrives Wednesday. I couldn't pass up that price.

 

I ended up sacrificing my EVGA P2 850w from my work bench case to my daughter's system currently in build stage because the Powercolor 7900xtx was freezing/tripping the EVGA GQ 850w PSU when benching. I swapped it into my main rig for testing and it worked absolutely fine. I then tested it with the P2 850w and it worked absolutely fine. Back to the GQ 850w? Lock ups when benching.  I plan on slapping the Watt Meter on it to see what it's pulling transient wise.

 

For giggles, I tested the 7900xtx on a Thermalright 600w GX2 which is tier A rated and watched the entire system shut down over and over again on launch for Timespy. 🤣

 

I might swap my EVGA P2 1600w for the 1300w since it does have the 12vhpwr connector and would eliminate the tentacle from MSI with an MSI PSU/12hpwr cable run.

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Picked up a 1300w MSI MEG AI1300w PSU (LOL at the "AI" now included) from Amazon Warehouse for $142.00. Let's see how it is when it arrives Wednesday. I couldn't pass up that price.

 

I ended up sacrificing my EVGA P2 850w from my work bench case to my daughter's system currently in build stage because the Powercolor 7900xtx was freezing/tripping the EVGA GQ 850w PSU when benching. I swapped it into my main rig for testing and it worked absolutely fine. I then tested it with the P2 850w and it worked absolutely fine. Back to the GQ 850w? Lock ups when benching.  I plan on slapping the Watt Meter on it to see what it's pulling transient wise.

 

For giggles, I tested the 7900xtx on a Thermalright 600w GX2 which is tier A rated and watched the entire system shut down over and over again on launch for Timespy. 🤣

 

I might swap my EVGA P2 1600w for the 1300w since it does have the 12vhpwr connector and would eliminate the tentacle from MSI with an MSI PSU/12hpwr cable run.

 

 

 

 

 

I've actually been in the market for a new PSU myself and EVGA is unfortunately out this time. I didn't quite get the deal you got, but I snagged one of them from Amazon warehouse at $166. Not a bad deal at all for a new PCIE 5.0 Platinum 1300w relatively compact unit. The new retail price is insane and I'm not paying that. Mine is supposed to arrive Monday, if it's faulty or beat up I'll just return it. 

[Papusan]

On 5/29/2024 at 8:55 PM, Papusan said:

But as you know.... They all will put all the rotten eggs in same basket so... Why bother with real performance improvements that doesn't cater to AI? The whole tech industry is pretty rotten.

 

Microsoft has opened up for a throwaway mentality with Copilot feature in their OS. And all HW manufacturers wants to join the journey. Buy now, then throwaway tomorrow. How long will Microsoft let you use your current hardware  before they push new hardware requirements for newer OS builds?

 

Here's the thing. New is always better. See bolded text above. This isnt a step sideway. Its a regression to the worse. But people buy it, so I think they are fine with the new situasjon (newer hardware). Less has to be more bro @ryan

 

For gaming purposes, however, the NPU brings nothing to the table to improve the experience as of 2024. If anything, it's arguably detrimental as raw CPU performance has dropped when compared to the Core i9-13900HK in last year's x16 R1 since precious die space has been reserved for the new neural processor.

 

Alienware x16 R2 laptop review: A step sideways from the x16 R1

 

Modern people......

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

I've actually been in the market for a new PSU myself and EVGA is unfortunately out this time. I didn't quite get the deal you got, but I snagged one of them from Amazon warehouse at $166. Not a bad deal at all for a new PCIE 5.0 Platinum 1300w relatively compact unit. The new retail price is insane and I'm not paying that. Mine is supposed to arrive Monday, if it's faulty or beat up I'll just return it. 

 

Yeah, no way I'm paying $300+, but sub $200? Sure and yep with AW, if it isn't working back it goes. I'd say I'm ~85% hit with AW. Some misses have been 1x PSU, 2x Motherboards and 1x AIO that I can recall but I've ordered from them for almost 10years now when the situation is right. The savings can be pretty substantial.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Just rumors but it fits very well with the rumored info above.... Why max out the performance if the competitors doesn't want to compete? Capped down GPU in all ways doesn't need huge coolers.

 

NVIDIA will never give us their best out of the chute. NVIDIA will only give us as much as what is needed to be more than what AMD's flagship offers, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better. They'll meter the performance, spoon-feed their customers and hold back what their hardware and software can actually deliver for later on and then charge more for it as an "upgrade" when it is not a new product and actually costs them nothing to flip a switch in the firware or enable the code in software and pretend that it is something better. It kind of sucks when the best of the best is a wolf in sheep's clothing, but it is what it is.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's more disgusting new modern tech.... Spacetop

Wow. Picture response time.

That is a piece of [insert image 1] that makes we want to [insert image 2].

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

NVIDIA will never give us their best. NVIDIA will only give us as much as needed to be more than AMD, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better.

 

Wow. Picture response time.

 

This one I posted on OCN will be fun to follow. If you are in risk for 4080 vram corrupted benchmarks results and you can't "Enable ECC" in NCP for said graphics card, then why do you need have to do it for 4090 on hwbot? Because the elite/choosen ones for the most part get free binned 4090's to maximice their Global points?

 

They shouldn't differentiate between 4000 series cards if they all suffer from same vram corruption. Aka no need to Enable ECC video memory settings in NCP for 4090. Just moderate results as they should do for rest of the 4000 series graphics SKUs.

 

My post here. The Steel  Nomad mess is discussed in the 4080 forum.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4080-super-owners-club.1800848/post-29334454

 

Edit. Just report them... Yeees, sure  it will works. And UL/Futuremark said exactly  the same for eGPU results flooding the different 3DM leaderboards for Jokebook's. And the outcome... Every 3DM benchmark leaderboard on 3Dmark search is destroyed with the said eGPU results. And why will it be better now when they never cleaned up for gaming Jokebooks? Hmmm

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This one I posted on OCN will be fun to follow. If you are in risk for 4080 vram corrupted benchmarks results and you can't "Enable ECC" in NCP for said graphics card, then why do you need have to do it for 4090? Because the elite/choosen ones for the most get free 4090's to maximice Global points?

 

My post here. The Steel  Nomad mess is discussed in the 4080 forum.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4080-super-owners-club.1800848/post-29334454

Yup. Everyone should just buy only new Arc GPUs, or used RX 500 and 6000 AMD and NVIDIA 3000 series GPUs or use integrated graphics and stick with 1080p gaming and see how the hardware vendors and game developers feel about that.

So, the HWBOT solution here is to create a handicap and require 4090 owners to deliberately cripple their flagship product and allow owners of the lesser products to get away with following a different set of rules. Basically.

 

Everyone gets a trophy for participating.

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup. Everyone should just buy only new Arc GPUs, or used RX 500 and 6000 AMD and NVIDIA 3000 series GPUs or use integrated graphics and stick with 1080p gaming and see how the hardware vendors and game developers feel about that.

 

Even if there is less corrupted results from the other 4000 series cards as etc 4080... You can't force limitations (own rules and special restictions) for 4090 if they all suffer from same mess from UL/Futuremark. ECC settings only for 4090 in NCP isn't a valid reason to diffrenciate them.

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

NVIDIA will never give us their best out of the chute. NVIDIA will only give us as much as what is needed to be more than what AMD's flagship offers, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better. They'll meter the performance, spoon-feed their customers and hold back what their hardware and software can actually deliver for later on and then charge more for it as an "upgrade" when it is not a new product and actually costs them nothing to flip a switch in the firware or enable the code in software and pretend that it is something better. It kind of sucks when the best of the best is a wolf in sheep's clothing, but it is what it is.

5090 will get a "miraculous" boost in performance through mystical driver chemotheraphy if next gen RDNA is better than expected. If not, then it will maintain it predestined level of muted performance. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

5090 will get a "miraculous" boost in performance through mystical driver chemotheraphy if next gen RDNA is better than expected. If not, then it will maintain it predestined level of muted performance. Lather, rinse, repeat.

28gb gddr 7, 448bit bus, $2500?

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-5090-new-rumored-specs-28gb-gddr7-and-448-bit-bus

[Papusan]

51 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

28gb gddr 7, 448bit bus, $2500?

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-5090-new-rumored-specs-28gb-gddr7-and-448-bit-bus

 

$2500 ? Nope. That has to be for the 5090 refresh with the Super or Ti moniker. And measly +$3000 price point will be for an possible 5090 Ti Super variant at the end of 5000 series life cycle. Remember Nvidia was so kind add the very long weirdo name 4070 Ti Super for the 3rd SKU of the 4070 series (4070-4070Ti-4070Ti Super). Could as well be the destiny for 5090. Disgusting? Yes. 

 

What more to say.......

 

 

And here comes Todays Joke....

 

Fantastic new and modern. New modern gaming Jokebooks is able to sustain 275W combined load/heat for Gpu and Cpu. In the older days you had gaming laptops that easily handled  2x200W GPU sustained load + separate power for the Cpu. or above 500W. Sad seeing this is what they call improved cooling. 

 

XMG Launches XMG NEO 16 High-End Laptop with Improved Cooling, and Aluminium Chassis

[tps3443]

These 14900KS chips are true Lava Monsters when paired with traditional cooling. But they can be tamed down nicely without actually taming it down.
 

This stock 14900KS idles at 10 watts, and loads up at 290 watts. Even with DDR5 8600 and 6.2Ghz boost, using auto voltage and LLC4. It is very efficient for an Intel chip, even compared to AMD I think it’s still pretty crazy efficient for its performance it puts out. 😎

 

Chiller rarely cycles when working during the day. It’s quite nice! 
 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

28gb gddr 7, 448bit bus, $2500?

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-5090-new-rumored-specs-28gb-gddr7-and-448-bit-bus

 

*Taps mat* "I'm out"

 

Even if it comes in at $2k, MSI, Asus and others with good models will easily be $2200+ if not more in the short term...

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

$2500 ? Nope. That has to be for the 5090 refresh with the Super or Ti moniker. And measly +$3000 price point will be for an possible 5090 Ti Super variant at the end of 5000 series life cycle. Remember Nvidia was so kind add the very long weirdo name 4070 Ti Super for the 3rd SKU of the 4070 series (4070-4070Ti-4070Ti Super). Could as well be the destiny for 5090. Disgusting? Yes. 

 

What more to say.......

 

 

 

 

Ugh $2500 for a 448-bit variant and not the full 512-bit like @Papusan is alluding to and in the wings a most likely $3k 5090ti down the road?!

 

Nvidia has zero competition this time around....

 

Intel is staggering into their Battlemage like a drunken sailor during fleet week....

 

AMD has tucked tail this cycle with shades of the 5700xt on deck while they focus on AI too on top of it....

 

AI focused companies are snapping up everything Nvidia can sell price be damned so Nvidia doesn't even need gamers....

 

 

 

 

If any of this pricing madness comes to fruition, I'll be skipping this next cycle and living vicariously through @Talon (aka back to our regularly scheduled program 🤣)

 

 

 

[tps3443]

20 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

*Taps mat* "I'm out"

 

Even if it comes in at $2k, MSI, Asus and others with good models will easily be $2200+ if not more in the short term...

 

 

Ugh $2500 for a 448-bit variant and not the full 512-bit like @Papusan is alluding to and in the wings a most likely $3k 5090ti down the road?!

 

Nvidia has zero competition this time around....

 

Intel is staggering into their Battlemage like a drunken sailor during fleet week....

 

AMD has tucked tail this cycle with shades of the 5700xt on deck while they focus on AI too on top of it....

 

AI focused companies are snapping up everything Nvidia can sell price be damned so Nvidia doesn't even need gamers....

 

 

 

 

If any of this pricing madness comes to fruition, I'll be skipping this next cycle and living vicariously through @Talon (aka back to our regularly scheduled program 🤣)

 

 

 

I’ll be grabbing a used 4090, or probably a RTX5080 I guess they’ll still be like $1500 lol.😂