*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Vasudev]

Hey guys just got a Zen 4 8840HS I benched using Cinebench R23 with balanced mode and perf mode on Benchmate 12 on Windows 11, yes it's a mess performance is all over the place. I got 13600 on balanced power profile, 14500 with high perf mode with temps pushing to 96C due to slow fan response and no proper flat surface since they used heatpipes as heatsink.

 

Its running with IC graphite pad. Wifi is soldered Qcomm and was thermal throttling with 10GB Windows ISO. Added a thermal pad to SSD,NIC/WLAN to reduce temps by 10C.

I wanted to know if the scores are good for 8c/16T 40W CPU.

[Mr. Fox]

Here is a fun video...

 

[jaybee83]

something VERY interesting I stumbled upon by chance a few days ago when this video was uploaded by Roman:

 

 

so the above mentioned issues with their TG waterblock also affect their high performance heatspreader for AM5 (Roman mentions this in the vid, but its basically just a side note, you can easily miss it. he mostly focuses on the waterblock).

 

Checking the TG website for the AM5 heatspreader I found this note:

 

 

Link: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/heatspreader/s-tg-hphs

 

So we are talking of 5C or even more of thermal performance that got lost due to the nickel coating! Looks like Ill have to re-purchase the heatspreader to get the updated version before I consider buying Ryzen 9000 X3D....

 

Welp, at least I can still sell off the V1 sku on ebay I guess to make up for some of the loss 😄 

 

Although I like the transparency of TG on this issue, I find it leaving a bitter aftertaste in my mouth, as I dont see any option to replace my TG heatspreader with the updated version....hm, I might reach out to them about this. What do u guys think?

 

Edit: Just contacted TG via their website contact form to ask for a replacement with the updated sku, lets see how this develops.

[electrosoft]

21 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

something VERY interesting I stumbled upon by chance a few days ago when this video was uploaded by Roman:

 

 

so the above mentioned issues with their TG waterblock also affect their high performance heatspreader for AM5 (Roman mentions this in the vid, but its basically just a side note, you can easily miss it. he mostly focuses on the waterblock).

 

Checking the TG website for the AM5 heatspreader I found this note:

 

 

Link: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/heatspreader/s-tg-hphs

 

So we are talking of 5C or even more of thermal performance that got lost due to the nickel coating! Looks like Ill have to re-purchase the heatspreader to get the updated version before I consider buying Ryzen 9000 X3D....

 

Welp, at least I can still sell off the V1 sku on ebay I guess to make up for some of the loss 😄 

 

Although I like the transparency of TG on this issue, I find it leaving a bitter aftertaste in my mouth, as I dont see any option to replace my TG heatspreader with the updated version....hm, I might reach out to them about this. What do u guys think?

 

Edit: Just contacted TG via their website contact form to ask for a replacement with the updated sku, lets see how this develops.

 

How long have you had this one? I mean, if it has been months or even a year+, I don't know if I would feel comfortable asking for a replacement skew over a 5c delta. Improvements and refinements in products is part of the process and you tend to pay for them.

 

On the other hand, if you just purchased your block recently, I can see reaching out for a replacement block.

 

Whether they'll replace it not, we'll see. 🙂

 

 

[jaybee83]

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

How long have you had this one? I mean, if it has been months or even a year+, I don't know if I would feel comfortable asking for a replacement skew over a 5c delta. Improvements and refinements in products is part of the process and you tend to pay for them.

 

On the other hand, if you just purchased your block recently, I can see reaching out for a replacement block.

 

Whether they'll replace it not, we'll see. 🙂

 

 

 

I purchased it in Nov-2023, so its already been 10 months.

 

While I get your point, the way that Roman / TG presents this is not a mere process improvement, but rather a problem that was identified with their product and is now being fixed. While the heatspreader technically "works", in this context I rather see this as a defective product that now gets a fixed revision. In that regard, it shouldnt matter how long ago I purchased it 🙂

 

I mean, after all, a significant temperature reduction is exactly what this product is advertized for...

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Here is a fun video...

 

 

And here is the fun facts. Nvidia hate cheapo gamers. Now you need buy more expensive OC cards to have the same performance as the released vanilla 4070. Once again gamers have to pay extra due the AI boom. Last time it was crypto, now AI. What next?

 

And if you want throw your hard earned money down the drain.... Buy this pretty overpriced 5.7L wreck. What a disgusting --  product.

 

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

And here is the fun facts. Nvidia hate cheapo gamers.Now you need buy more expensive OC cards to have the same performance as the released vanilla 4070. Once again gamers have to pay extra due the AI boom. Last time it was crypto, now AI. What next?

 

And if you want throw your hard earned money down the drain.... Buy this pretty overpriced 5.7L wreck. What a disgusting --  product.

 

 

MXM Type A RTX 4060 in that desktop in the second video 🤪.

 

That should provide a nice upgrade to anyone still running a laptop with an MXM GPU.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

I purchased it in Nov-2023, so its already been 10 months.

 

While I get your point, the way that Roman / TG presents this is not a mere process improvement, but rather a problem that was identified with their product and is now being fixed. While the heatspreader technically "works", in this context I rather see this as a defective product that now gets a fixed revision. In that regard, it shouldnt matter how long ago I purchased it 🙂

 

I mean, after all, a significant temperature reduction is exactly what this product is advertized for...

 

I mean if I was in your shoes (that would be odd though :)), I would ABSOLUTELY take a shot in the dark for a replacement with the better coating job and 5c reduction, but I would do it knowing I'm throwing a hail mary. It's not like it hasn't been functioning these last 10 months.....

 

It says the process was "updated" not "a defect was corrected"

 

You say "defective"

I say "improved"

 

🤣

 

But either way, here's hoping they send you the newer model at no cost bro! 🙂

 

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Reminds me when EVGA suddenly discounted the KPE 3090ti by $500 and it had been over a month since I bought it and I reached out to them and let them know such a drastic price cut didn't sit well with me so soon and they credited me back the difference.

 

Was I entitled to it? No, but I was very happy they saw it my way, acknowledged my very polite BF and credited me back for $500 smackers.

 

I remember my last email to CS being, "Thank you so much and I look forward to buying your 4090 KPE on release!" (AWKWARD! 😂)

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Sheesh @tps3443 look at this monster IMC!

 

14900KS

 

8800/9200 on air....

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29367089/

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Sheesh @tps3443 look at this monster IMC!

 

14900KS

 

8800/9200 on air....

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29367089/

Yep looks to be a good IMC, just know that when you turn HT off, these chips will gain a tremendous amount of ram OC head room (I don’t think it’s a MONSTER though), some can run 8800c36, or even 9200c42 “depending how good it was before with HT on of course lol”, so it’s kind of like removing one thing, to gain OC head room in another. I guess 20c ram temps is air? 🤷‍♂️ I have no idea. Water cooling is air cooling technically, maybe that’s what he means. Those ram temps like mine though. 
 

 

[Clamibot]

I tried out frame gen through Lossless Scaling, and it produces some really good results. This is a really nifty little program!

 

While yes these are interpolated frames rather than raw frames, it still leads to a significantly better experience vs running your game at half or a third of your screen's refresh rate without frame gen. I find I get the best results when running games at half my monitor's refresh rate (raw framerate) and then using frame gen to interpolate to double that, matching my monitor's refresh rate.

 

I can definitely notice the latency penalty due to my raw framerate only being half the displayed framerate, but as I said, it's still a significantly better experience vs no interpolation at all. However if you use a controller rather than a mouse, this almost completely hides the latency penalty as a controller is a rate over time input device rather than an instant input device like a mouse. I had very good results on my Lenovo Legion Go when using x2 frame gen. I would not recommend doing x3 as the input latency penalty is very noticable when your raw framerate is only a third of your refresh rate.

 

All in all, Lossless Scaling is awesome for handheld devices like the Lenovo Legion Go. If any of you guys own something like the Legion Go, Steam Deck, or ROG Ally, I'd highly recommend getting Lossless Scaling as that will allow you enjoy high framerate gaming on the go with AAA titles!

 

Of course nothing beats raw frames, but frame gen is really good if you're using a controller and can't hit a 144 fps raw framerate.

[ryan]

LINK?

[Clamibot]

1 minute ago, ryan said:

LINK?

 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/993090/Lossless_Scaling/

 

If it ever feels like it's not working, try a different capture API. DXGI is the most performant, but WGC and GDI may be the only ones that work on certain games.

[ryan]

thanks/ will check it out

[ryan]

edited.

 

holy S. works very well im getting alot smoother frame rates 4x normal. I have it set to performance and 4x with ls1 and god of war on ultra 4k was unplayable at 20fps now im getting 80fps with no image quality loss. I guess im skipping 5xxx gen also.

[ryan]

 

53fps basically double. I settled with 2x as the input lag is less noticeable. really nice bump in smoothness. just tested 4 games all are promising. going to test horizon 5 and see how i fair with the input lag, if i can game without interference then its a big thumbs up to this app.

 

@Clamibot can you clarify something, when i run forza horizon 5 im getting 80fps without FG native settings no dlss at 4k. when I use LS it says my framerate is 40 and being doubled to 80fps with an image that looks like 480p detail wise while moving. Just wondering if you could show us what settings your using and why it reports half the framerate then claims its being doubled when infact the double framerate is identical to native framerate.

 

heres my example

 

clearly getting 80fps

 

one change(LS)

 

says 40/80????????????

[electrosoft]

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep looks to be a good IMC, just know that when you turn HT off, these chips will gain a tremendous amount of ram OC head room (I don’t think it’s a MONSTER though), some can run 8800c36, or even 9200c42 “depending how good it was before with HT on of course lol”, so it’s kind of like removing one thing, to gain OC head room in another. I guess 20c ram temps is air? 🤷‍♂️ I have no idea. Water cooling is air cooling technically, maybe that’s what he means. Those ram temps like mine though. 
 

 

 

See if you can reproduce those results or what is the hardwall of your CPU?

 

 

[Clamibot]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

 

53fps basically double. I settled with 2x as the input lag is less noticeable. really nice bump in smoothness. just tested 4 games all are promising. going to test horizon 5 and see how i fair with the input lag, if i can game without interference then its a big thumbs up to this app.

 

@Clamibot can you clarify something, when i run forza horizon 5 im getting 80fps without FG native settings no dlss at 4k. when I use LS it says my framerate is 40 and being doubled to 80fps with an image that looks like 480p detail wise while moving. Just wondering if you could show us what settings your using and why it reports half the framerate then claims its being doubled when infact the double framerate is identical to native framerate.

 

heres my example

 

clearly getting 80fps

 

one change(LS)

 

says 40/80????????????

 

It reports half the framerate since that is your raw framerate, and then your actual framerate will be double that if you selected x2 frame generation since the interpolation will generate the rest of the frames.

If you just want to use the frame gen and not use the upscaling feature, you'll want to set the scaling mode to off, scaling mode to custom, and scale factor to 1. That should prevent the game from looking like it's rendering at 480p.

 

Lossless Scaling has its own fps counter that will show you your actual framerate vs RTSS which shows the raw framerate.

[jaybee83]

22 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

something VERY interesting I stumbled upon by chance a few days ago when this video was uploaded by Roman:

 

 

so the above mentioned issues with their TG waterblock also affect their high performance heatspreader for AM5 (Roman mentions this in the vid, but its basically just a side note, you can easily miss it. he mostly focuses on the waterblock).

 

Checking the TG website for the AM5 heatspreader I found this note:

 

 

Link: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/heatspreader/s-tg-hphs

 

So we are talking of 5C or even more of thermal performance that got lost due to the nickel coating! Looks like Ill have to re-purchase the heatspreader to get the updated version before I consider buying Ryzen 9000 X3D....

 

Welp, at least I can still sell off the V1 sku on ebay I guess to make up for some of the loss 😄 

 

Although I like the transparency of TG on this issue, I find it leaving a bitter aftertaste in my mouth, as I dont see any option to replace my TG heatspreader with the updated version....hm, I might reach out to them about this. What do u guys think?

 

Edit: Just contacted TG via their website contact form to ask for a replacement with the updated sku, lets see how this develops.

 

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

How long have you had this one? I mean, if it has been months or even a year+, I don't know if I would feel comfortable asking for a replacement skew over a 5c delta. Improvements and refinements in products is part of the process and you tend to pay for them.

 

On the other hand, if you just purchased your block recently, I can see reaching out for a replacement block.

 

Whether they'll replace it not, we'll see. 🙂

 

 

 

21 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

I purchased it in Nov-2023, so its already been 10 months.

 

While I get your point, the way that Roman / TG presents this is not a mere process improvement, but rather a problem that was identified with their product and is now being fixed. While the heatspreader technically "works", in this context I rather see this as a defective product that now gets a fixed revision. In that regard, it shouldnt matter how long ago I purchased it 🙂

 

I mean, after all, a significant temperature reduction is exactly what this product is advertized for...

 

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I mean if I was in your shoes (that would be odd though :)), I would ABSOLUTELY take a shot in the dark for a replacement with the better coating job and 5c reduction, but I would do it knowing I'm throwing a hail mary. It's not like it hasn't been functioning these last 10 months.....

 

It says the process was "updated" not "a defect was corrected"

 

You say "defective"

I say "improved"

 

🤣

 

But either way, here's hoping they send you the newer model at no cost bro! 🙂

 

---

 

Reminds me when EVGA suddenly discounted the KPE 3090ti by $500 and it had been over a month since I bought it and I reached out to them and let them know such a drastic price cut didn't sit well with me so soon and they credited me back the difference.

 

Was I entitled to it? No, but I was very happy they saw it my way, acknowledged my very polite BF and credited me back for $500 smackers.

 

I remember my last email to CS being, "Thank you so much and I look forward to buying your 4090 KPE on release!" (AWKWARD! 😂)

 

 

 

 

 

yeah shit outta luck, just received their response today:

 

 

so looks like ill be getting me a second AM5 HPHS and sell off the current one on fleabay 😄 5C difference is definitely nothing to sneer at!

[Mr. Fox]

Funny how many overclocking enthusiasts started out as gamers and then became so engaged in overclocking that they didn't really care that much about gaming anymore. Vince is example of that along with me and probably a ton of other people. From the sounds of it, he prefers the same game genre that I do as well.

 

[ryan]

Thats what happens, I was always benchmarking games with built in benchmark. game like mass effect id play and beat, then slowly the drive to play games diminished. now i just play the odd game for an hour once on a blue moon, i literally have to go against my desires. I think its a very common effect and more people are going to be going this route in the near future with the limited amount of AAA games. one thing I dont get is a 1060 can play games at a nice graphical level at 1080p and 2 generations later a much more powerful system can play the same games at higher settings but often times the graphics dont play the part, i mean if your game is asking for quadruple the power then at least double the graphics level, make the game actually look substantially better.

 

its 2024 and technically games should look photo realistic and we have the power to run them. I look back to how good crysis looked in 2007 and now step into the distant future and games although look better dont play the role, they are(industry) doing micro steps in advancements.

[Clamibot]

I'm still a bencher/gamer hybrid. My desire to game hasn't waned at all, it's just that I have less time now than before because I have a lot more responsibilities.

 

The upside? OH MY GOODNESS I CAN BUY MY OWN HARDWARE NOW! YES YES YES YES!

 

I still spend time tweaking and tuning cause it's fun, but ultimately my purpose for it is to get max performance in games, a la the Framechasers approach. Icarus continues to fly higher in me as I keep desiring higher and higher framerates. I'll be completely satisfied once the motion clarity looks like real life to me.

 

That point probably won't be until we have a 1000 Hz monitor or something. Maybe I'll be satisfied if the refresh rate is high enough to where it's "good enough" and I won't care much for additional improvements. I'll be moving to a 240 Hz monitor soon as I really like how smooth motion looks on those monitors. I love Micro Center, but sometimes it entices me to spend more money than I need to.🤣

 

It's all good though as you gotta enjoy life. I'm very blessed to have everything I need, and it helps that I only have 2 hobbies that require me to spend money (computers and video games).

 

As for the point on game performance, yeah I find it ridiculous that today's releases require so much processing power to perform well. Want the secret from an actaul game dev (me!)? The games are just unoptimized. I specifically engineer games to run well on low end systems as doing so expands your potential audience and will make you more money. I don't understand why the big name studios don't seem to understand this. In fact, the studio I work for will be releasing a new game this Thursday, and it runs at 120 fps on a freaking Quest 2! The game has quite a bit of content too. Not everything has to be bleeding edge. Bleeding edge can sometimes also mean unrefined and suboptimal.

 

But hey, this is just my perspective as a high framerate gamer. What do you guys think?

[ryan]

yeah, just doesn't add up. I don't want to get into big brother censorship conspiracies though lol. I am playing grid autosport after leaving it untouched for 11 years. fun time, but maybe just one season every second day.

 

as for loseless scaling it appears to be working but I cant get the 60fps feel on unchartered when its natively 20fps. not many games even with a 3060 require this technology but its cool seeing 90fps in god of war maxed at 4k. I also like the fact you can configure 4x and fsr/dlss. best 6 bucks ive spent in years. will test it out again.

[Clamibot]

Yeah I find the tool works best when your raw framerate is 60 fps or higher. Any lower than that and the input lag is just too much. Even then, my preference is for the raw framerate to be at least 120 fps. I'm so glad this tool exists as I'll really need it for 240 fps gaming.

 

I've been compiling a list of software tweaks/windows setting changes/overclocking settings over the years to max performance in games. Lossless Scaling is yet another tool to add to that arsenal.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

 

 

yeah shit outta luck, just received their response today:

 

 

so looks like ill be getting me a second AM5 HPHS and sell off the current one on fleabay 😄 5C difference is definitely nothing to sneer at!

 

Their logic is sound, but still a nice freebie always soothes the soul. At least we're in a place in life where we can afford to buy the next version/revision. 5c is indeed nothing to sneeze at atoll! 🙂

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Funny how many overclocking enthusiasts started out as gamers and then became so engaged in overclocking that they didn't really care that much about gaming anymore. Vince is example of that along with me and probably a ton of other people. From the sounds of it, he prefers the same game genre that I do as well.

 

 

I was into overclocking and PC gaming but they were basically mutually exclusive until Deus Ex dropped and I wanted to extract every bit of performance I could to run it at higher resolution. That was my first system I overclocked everything I could. CPU, GPU and RAM and spent just as many hours tinkering with overclocking it as playing and that is saying something as I played a metric ton of Deus Ex on my PC.

 

Now? My desire to extract as much performance out of games drives of overclocking even to this day along with just liking to overclock and tinker on its own too. Something about extracting as much performance as possible for gaming tickles my fancy.