*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Funny how many overclocking enthusiasts started out as gamers and then became so engaged in overclocking that they didn't really care that much about gaming anymore. Vince is example of that along with me and probably a ton of other people. From the sounds of it, he prefers the same game genre that I do as well.

 

 

And the next big in the overclocking world is the "high hangin" single thread performance crown. And I expect Arrow Lake without any HT (dead) will rumble in that type benchmark battle. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Takes On 7.1GHz Core i9-14900K In Single-Threaded Benchmark Battle

 

Intel Thermal Velocity boost and AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive is what the modern gamers will take max advantage of for this type oc'ing single core race.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

And the next big in the overclocking world is the "high hangin" single thread performance crown. And I expect Arrow Lake without any HT (dead) will rumble in that type benchmark battle. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Takes On 7.1GHz Core i9-14900K In Single-Threaded Benchmark Battle

 

Intel Thermal Velocity boost and AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive is what the modern gamers will take max advantage of for this type oc'ing single core race.

Yeah, that's really sad. The focus has been gravitating toward single core performance for a while now and I truly don't care about that. It is just so dumbed down and pathetic. Oh wait... that's actually the goal now. When I see talk about it I am like yeah, whatever... you guys are stupid and that's not my problem. Show me software and games that I use every day all day that run well (if at all) and only use just one core and then maybe I will pay attention for more than 30 seconds. But, the sheeple love it I guess. Sucks to be them.

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Not sure what the delay is with ASUS. The shipping label for returning my motherboard was created after the repair was finished on 9/13 and they gave me the tracking number, but FedEx still doesn't have possession of it and there is no ETA, just "label created" for the status.

[Mr. Fox]

So, when the motherboard is returned I am going to rebuild in an Antec C8 case. I absolutely love the Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL EVO case and the Antec C8 is extremely close to the same design and size. It is like one inch shorter and the front I/O in a different position, but the basic design and size is like a knock-off in many respects. The C8 doesn't have as many features for configuration options, but the standard build configuration is remarkably similar. I almost ordered another Lian Li case, but the C8 was like $108 versus $235 for another black O11 XL EVO.

 

The be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 is an amazing case by every measurement, but it takes up more space and I prefer the dual chamber design over the PSU basement design. Wider versus taller and all the crap hidden in back is just a better approach. I am sure I can sell the Dark Base Pro 901 locally for enough to cover the cost of the C8.

 

Grabbing the O11 Dynamic XL EVO to flip it over and lay it on its back to work on it is easy, but the Dark Base Pro is so tall and heavy you need a lot of extra space to do that. It is like making a U-turn in a long wheelbase crew cab pickup versus a regular cab short bed.

 

Part of me wants to go back to the Praxis Wetbench. I love the open bench the most, but it's such a dust magnet in comparison that I am always reluctant when I start remembering how hard it was to keep clean looking. Horizonal motherboard orientation is just way better than vertical. The dust here in the desert is actually very fine sand, so it is extremely abrasive and gritty and keeping as much of that off the motherboard and GPU as possible is preferred. It scratches finishes and gets into every crack and crevice. (You do not want a dark colored vehicle here for that reason. It ends up looking very haggard and dull due to fine sand scratches when it is still relatively new.)

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CP3MZXVH?th=1

 

 

To save space I use two carts like this now. The white Apex with the chiller is on this cart. The other has the tower on the bottom and the radiator and pumps on top. However, the Dark Base Pro is so tall it almost touches the adjustable shelf on top where the radiator is sitting.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09SCYSFP9?th=1

 

 
 

[electrosoft]

Example of how much WoW loves X3D.....

 

This is the same testing I've been doing from turning each CCD off/on to comparisons to both active and confirming proper sleeping. His results are right in line especially at 4k (which he is testing) and a 4090 really makes the gap even wider I've found even at 4k. His tests are on a 6950XT w/ RT disabled. As long as you turn RT off, AMD cards are pretty beastly in WoW.

 

 

 

[ryan]

no raytracing maxed 4k..80-120fps

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

no raytracing maxed 4k..80-120fps

 

All the non Shadowlands / Dragon isles / The War Within zones use the older (circa 2009 and older) textures and renders and the way its designed the older the zone is, the more useless newer/better hardware gets as it runs into engine caps/limitation issues similar to Fallout's engine (FO's engine is so bad, if you hit >=175+ fps, it will start to interrupt your movements). They don't scale like CS's engine does.

 

The engine was overhauled and updated for Battle for Azeroth and then Shadowlands->Dragon Isles->The War Within continue to enhance upon it.

 

This is also why I get irritated with YT'ers who go, "Ok, now let's see how WoW performs with my new XYZ setup...oh wowzers, I'm getting 300fps+!! This thing must run on a tin can!"

 

You will usually find me and maybe a few other WoW players in the comments letting them know the old content can be run on just about anything but they need to step into at least Shadowlands and go take a stroll around Ardenweald or step into Dragon Isles and visit Valdrakken and watch their rigs suddenly start gasping for air.

 

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The wonderful thing about WoW, though is does scale up and down really nicely.  Even in new content, you can drop your settings down and get a very playable game on a 3060. When I was initially testing my 14900KS setup, I used my spare 3060ti (because it fit inside my test case), and scaling down accordingly, I had no problems zipping around playing at 1080 in the newer content. 4k was a bit more rough though.

 

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You should keep playing and level a toon to 50 for Shadowlands, 60 for Dragon Isles or 70 for TWW. Alternatively, if you really want to test some of the newer content sooner than later, buy a level 70 boost.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

oh ok, that answers something ive wondered. My old best friend plays it alot and well I wondered if the expansions improved textures and poly models. interesting, pretty big game, I don't mind lowering settings but will I be able to get the general look of ultra or will it look awful. some games you can lower settings quite low and still maintain the gist of it and have it look pretty outstanding, farcry 3 for example looks great on all low, I get 100fps on low 4k and at ultra around 40fps huge hit for a small gain, and im not attacking the point...some people pay alot for that added crispness in image others dont mind slightly worse graphics. im level 10 or somehting right now, its going to take a while to level up to 70 haha....couple decades at my rate.

[win32asmguy]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This is also why I get irritated with YT'ers who go, "Ok, now let's see how WoW performs with my new XYZ setup...oh wowzers, I'm getting 300fps+!! This thing must run on a tin can!"

 

I have seen plenty of systems that seem to run fine idling in an outdoor zone but have issues keeping framerates over 30fps during a raid or world boss. Unfortunately getting a character to a place to test those scenarios is much more time investment than a reviewer wants to spend on a single game. It also does not take into account addon performance issues either.

 

The X3D chip does work very well for the WoW engine. Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

I have been using it for years. Bitsum is one of those rare companies with ethics. They do not "rent" their software or expect their customers to repeatedly buy the same product over and over. Buy once, use it forever, with free updates for life. As it should be. I also use ParkControl (from the same company) and consider it essential because Windoze (especially Winduhz XI) has a very nasty fetish for parking cores to save power and prioritizing low power consumption over performance. The OS is a real piece of crap that is built to treat everything like a turdbook, tablet or smartphone.  

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I have seen plenty of systems that seem to run fine idling in an outdoor zone but have issues keeping framerates over 30fps during a raid or world boss. Unfortunately getting a character to a place to test those scenarios is much more time investment than a reviewer wants to spend on a single game. It also does not take into account addon performance issues either.

 

The X3D chip does work very well for the WoW engine. Process Lasso is a great tool for managing process affinity and certainly more consistent than using the Game Bar.

 

Absolutely. Even Blizzard knows "with or without" player data/FX is massive. They have that option for Raid settings in the graphics menu because anywhere there are lots of players along with spell/FX calculations, the CPU gets a major workout and fps dive along with GPU loads.

 

Project Lasso (PL) really is a fantastic tool not only for AMD but Intel and those pesky e-cores.

 

Early on, PL was basically the only way I could run a 7950X3D both CCDs enabled and not have WoW (and other games) drift onto the non X3D cores and take a hit. Recently, I've been testing a lot between PL, X3D CCD only and GB only and I'm not really seeing much of a difference but I want to take those tests into the new raids where the CPU takes a pounding.

 

I also found for Raids, Cities and ORBs that optimizing your memory makes a pretty significant difference especially on Intel systems for the lows. Timings > Frequency (but try to have your cake and eat it too).

 

In the end, Blizzard really needs to overhaul the engine again and make it truly multithreaded versus the now dual threaded-ish nature it works which is a major upgrade over the single threaded nature it had for almost 15 years.

 

11 hours ago, ryan said:

oh ok, that answers something ive wondered. My old best friend plays it alot and well I wondered if the expansions improved textures and poly models. interesting, pretty big game, I don't mind lowering settings but will I be able to get the general look of ultra or will it look awful. some games you can lower settings quite low and still maintain the gist of it and have it look pretty outstanding, farcry 3 for example looks great on all low, I get 100fps on low 4k and at ultra around 40fps huge hit for a small gain, and im not attacking the point...some people pay alot for that added crispness in image others dont mind slightly worse graphics. im level 10 or somehting right now, its going to take a while to level up to 70 haha....couple decades at my rate.

 

It can get pretty rough once you get to level 7ish and lower but for me my priority is always distance view and resolution first then I flesh out everything else.

 

 

New content with my array of laptops (some of these will need to go soon lol. My collection is grown again):

 

My NH55 with the 12900k golden chip, pair of the killer binned OLOY DDR4 sticks and 3070ti handles it well enough at 1080p. I can run Level 10. If a custom BIOS eventually shows up, first thing I would do is tighten up the memory even more and dial in the 12900k even higher. I'd love to get this SP109 14900ks in there with a killer 0.969v 4300mhz V/F point.

 

My Dell G15 with 13650HX + 4050 does 1080p pretty decently and sits around setting 8

My Acer Nitro 5 w/ AMD 7535HS (glorified 5600x) + 4050 does 1080p around the same setting-ish but the 7535HS struggles compared to the 12900K and 13650HX

My Asus notebooks with Ultra 155h/185h and 3050 not so much and I have to dial it down to level 6 at 1080p and might have to go even lower.

 

I'll need to retest all of these once I finish questing and doing the normal campaign. With Fallout 76 new content/season and WoW new Xpac, I've been playing a bit of each everyday so my journey is taking longer (albeit I'm level 80 in WoW already).

 

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

33 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I also found for Raids, Cities and ORBs that optimizing your memory makes a pretty significant difference especially on Intel systems for the lows. Timings > Frequency (but try to have your cake and eat it too).

 

Yeah I have been working on memory timings. Bricked it the other day changing memory context restore so has to spend time getting it restored instead of tuning.

[ryan]

@Papusan Bro, whats your favorite part of WOW. I heard your quite the gamer, I can't imagine how many hours youv'e logged. lol. joking but seriously I wish I could change my memory timings or overclock it even 100mhz, everythings locked down. I wonder if their will be a WOW 2 with next gen graphics and even bigger worlds like I mean the game has been out for what 2 decades>?

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

@Papusan Bro, whats your favorite part of WOW. I heard your quite the gamer, I can't imagine how many hours youv'e logged. lol. joking but seriously I wish I could change my memory timings or overclock it even 100mhz, everythings locked down. I wonder if their will be a WOW 2 with next gen graphics and even bigger worlds like I mean the game has been out for what 2 decades>?

 

"WoW 2" was a game in development for years called/code named Titan but they ended up turning that into Overwatch as WoW just seemed indefatigable at the time. WoW is still a monster, but nothing even close to the soaring heights of The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King releases where I remember camping out for my copies and everyone being crazy excited. Wrath of the Lich King was perfection and then we got Cataclysm and things started to decline....

 

After that, it became very Microsoft in that one would be good then the next would be trash.

 

Vanilla? Epic

The Burning Crusade? Good

Wrath of the Lich King? Epic

Cataclysm? Not so good.

Mists of Pandaria? Good

Warlords of Draenor? Absolute trash ( I stopped playing this one)

Legion? Epic

Battle for Azeroth? Not so good

Shadowlands? Very good

Dragonflight? Almost as bad as Warlords (I actually quit this one for over a year it was so boring)

The War Within? If it follows the pattern, it should be good. So far, I'm enjoying it.

 

In terms of my favorites:

 

1. Vanilla

2. Legion

3. Wrath of the Lich King

4. Shadowlands

5. The Burning Crusade

6. Mists of Pandaria

7.  Battle for Azeroth

8. Dragonflight

9. Cataclysm

10. Warlords of Draenor

 

The way WoW is now, if you're a new player, you can level 1-50 in a previous Xpac. It makes the game fun if you want to level alts and try an Xpac/era you maybe missed.

 

Fallout 76 just lumps everything together so all it's expansion content and such just integrates and flows seamlessly.

 

 

[ryan]

Thanks for sharing that, I might give it a go..never hurts to have another game.

 

@Clamibot I bought the LS app and cant for the life of me get playable latency. it is like a 1-2second delay in movements. Im downloading horizon 5 right now to check out the FG mod vs LS too see if they are doing the same thing, thing is even if the latency was acceptable(vsync) the image quality doesn't appear to be good, alot of artifacting in which case I could buy a program to lower resolution to 480p and have a smoother  experience and great visuals. what are people using this mod for and is it possible my laptop has something configured wrong?

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah I have been working on memory timings. Bricked it the other day changing memory context restore so has to spend time getting it restored instead of tuning.

 

Just ran the raids last night on my 7950X3D/4090 and yeah, some big time chunk a few times and fps dipping to 80-90fps a few times in fights. As expected, it isn't the GPU as GPU utilization classic WoW style dipped as low as 51%.

 

I'm going to rerun them on my 14900KS/7900XTX later for a quick baseline/comparison and just to see where GPU utilization bounces around.

 

 

[Clamibot]

13 hours ago, ryan said:

Thanks for sharing that, I might give it a go..never hurts to have another game.

 

@Clamibot I bought the LS app and cant for the life of me get playable latency. it is like a 1-2second delay in movements. Im downloading horizon 5 right now to check out the FG mod vs LS too see if they are doing the same thing, thing is even if the latency was acceptable(vsync) the image quality doesn't appear to be good, alot of artifacting in which case I could buy a program to lower resolution to 480p and have a smoother  experience and great visuals. what are people using this mod for and is it possible my laptop has something configured wrong?

 

For best results regarding latency, your raw framerate should be 60 fps or higher, and you should be using the DXGI capture API. Also, try using the vsync options built into Lossless Scaling rather than your in game vsync options. Some people have reported running into issues when using the in game vsync settings while using Lossless Scaling.

 

As for the artifacting, are you using any upscaling from Lossless Scaling or just frame generation by itself?

[tps3443]

Testing another good Intel memory controller at DDR5 8800c36.  As you can see Z790 Apex+Hynix 3Gbit = Are not the limiting factor. 
 

 

[Talon]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Testing another good Intel memory controller at DDR5 8800c36.  As you can see Z790 Apex+Hynix 3Gbit = Are not the limiting factor. 
 

 

 

NIce! Where did you pick the 13900KS up from? 

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

NIce! Where did you pick the 13900KS up from? 

Someone sent it to me to delid, and I gave it a quick test. Then it accidently loaded my 14900KS’s 8600c36 profile with ease, I was like what the heck….

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Someone sent it to me to delid, and I gave it a quick test. Then it accidently loaded my 14900KS’s 8600c36 profile with ease, I was like what the heck….

 Two things:

 

#1. Nice IMC!

 

#2. That's really nice and cool of you to delid and test chips for others bro.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

The Antec C8 is a nice case. I like that it is made of heavy steel instead of aluminum. It's a tad smaller than I would have liked, but otherwise no complaint. The size is between the O11 EVO and O11 EVO XL. The build quality is very good. Two of my fans are getting worn out and need to be replaced (behind the distribution manifold). On those two the LED also looks green instead of white. Just got it back together and getting the air worked out of the loop. Replacements should be here tomorrow. I went ahead and replaced the crappy stock PCH thermal pad and swapped out the G.SKILL for that second kit of TG Xtreem 8200 that I bought from @chibi on overclock.net.

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Antec C8 is a nice case. I like that it is made of heavy steel instead of aluminum. It's a tad smaller than I would have liked, but otherwise no complaint. The size is between the O11 EVO and O11 EVO XL. The build quality is very good. Two of my fans are getting worn out and need to be replaced (behind the distribution manifold). On those two the LED also looks green instead of white. Just got it back together and getting the air worked out of the loop. Replacements should be here tomorrow. I went ahead and replaced the crappy stock PCH thermal pad and swapped out the G.SKILL for that second kit of TG Xtreem 8200 that I bought from @chibi on overclock.net.

 

 

 

Nice! I noticed those two fans immediately.

 

I really like the over/under stacking you seem to use for your setups. Really lets you pack the hardware in there.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Has everyone seen the Gigabyte Tachyon Z890? Definitely looks like the Dark motherboards. 

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 Two things:

 

#1. Nice IMC!

 

#2. That's really nice and cool of you to delid and test chips for others bro.

 

 

It’s a spare chip, so owner said I could play with it for a while. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Has everyone seen the Gigabyte Tachyon Z890? Definitely looks like the Dark motherboards. 

Man, that looks awesome. I wish it was black though. I am really not a fan of white computer parts, even though I own one. Otherwise, it looks like it might be THE Z890 motherboard to buy for anyone that plans to buy. It looks like something worthy of being purchased.

 

So, I am thinking ASUS did nothing to the Encore. The paperwork says they reflashed the BIOS to fix the no display problem. I had already done that. And, whatever they flashed screwed things up. SP ratings were all jacked up and VF curve/VID tables were goofed up real bad (mostly zeros). I ended up flashing both BIOS chips again myself. They wasted a lot of my time and I wasted $60 on the cost to send it to them. At least I got it back undamaged and it's working, but not connected to the 4K display. I think the 4K 144Hz ASUS monitor might be the issue I was having. I use it every day, all day, but it doesn't play nice with my computers during POST. Once POST passes everything is normal. It's like the BIOS freaks out connected to it for some reason. MUCH WORSE on the Encore than the white Apex. Never happens with my dual 1440P Predator screens or on HDMI.

[tps3443]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Man, that looks awesome. I wish it was black though. I am really not a fan of white computer parts, even though I own one. Otherwise, it looks like it might be THE Z890 motherboard to buy for anyone that plans to buy. It looks like something worthy of being purchased.

 

So, I am thinking ASUS did nothing to the Encore. The paperwork says they reflashed the BIOS to fix the no display problem. I had already done that. And, whatever they flashed screwed things up. SP ratings were all jacked up and VF curve/VID tables were goofed up real bad (mostly zeros). I ended up flashing both BIOS chips again myself. They wasted a lot of my time and I wasted $60 on the cost to send it to them. At least I got it back undamaged and it's working, but not connected to the 4K display. I think the 4K 144Hz ASUS monitor might be the issue I was having. I use it every day, all day, but it doesn't play nice with my computers during POST. Once POST passes everything is normal. It's like the BIOS freaks out connected to it for some reason. MUCH WORSE on the Encore than the white Apex. Never happens with my dual 1440P Predator screens or on HDMI.

Hopefully they will offer a black and white model. Also, It looks like it has two ram options on the new Z890 Tachyon. The regular DDR5 CKD dimms we will see very soon, and also the new style CAMM2 rams! 
 

Early motherboards always get surpassed by further designs. I think buying the very best motherboard early on with Z890 and being very picky that we have the best example of it would be worth it. I look back and think about a “good Z690 Apex” which could hold its own right now, so long as it was not a defective one. Hopefully Asus has gotten better with engineering and consistency. My Z790 Apex has been a beast. It still hasn’t reached its limits. If only I could swap it to 1851 socket lol. 
 

Glad the Encore is working. To fix the SP, I usually use the other bios switch, then update the bios on the other switch. That should resolve it. Usually happens to me when I test a different CPU.