*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's a downgrade. It's missing 8 cores/threads. Even E-cores add to multi-threaded performance. You'd have to overclock it to the moon to get the same results with 8 missing cores. No point in buying new tech that is a downgrade if your goal is an upgrade. Not much different than gamerboys buying a newer GPU and calling it an upgrade when the new GPU has less VRAM and a smaller bus width. Newer is always better newer, but it isn't always an upgrade. The fact that it is not sucks. One step forward, two steps backward. Unless they release a CPU with 16 hyperthreaded P-cores or 32 non-hypterthreaded P-cores there is nothing to see here. If it is $150 cheaper than 14900KS then it might be worth considering for a new standalone build, but not an upgrade/replacement build.

 

It is an architectural upgrade like 11th was over 10th. Core for core, clock for clock it will beat 12th-14th. It has a vastly improved iGPU and other improvements from mobile on up.

 

It does have a smaller core count, but even with that it will most likely match Raptor in performance even with the lower count because of the architectural improvements which is something to acknowledge.

 

In the computing sector, there is much more to life than just sheer core counts and multicore performance. That is a very small subsection for the vast majority of users. I like it, sure but I also acknowlege and know these CPUs have to be multifaceted for many user use case scenarios.

 

For your use case, it IS looking like 11th gen all over again..... 😞

 

With that being said I do like my cake and to eat it too and I wish it could bring the same core count / HT along with the improvements instead of regressing like 10th->11th. I am sure down the road, more cores will show up just as they did for 12th->13th. HT? Not so sure.

 

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Agreed! I'm still unsure why they chose this path? It makes zero sense to me as to why they'd disable HT. Is their silicon unable to withstand the higher demand or are they punting like AMD has in the gpu market? Maybe for 1 year?

 

Maybe HT is a thing of the past going forward as it might have been holding back their design decisions for whatever reasons or like you say it may be added back in later.

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's a downgrade. It's missing 8 cores/threads. Even E-cores add to multi-threaded performance. You'd have to overclock it to the moon to get the same results with 8 missing cores. No point in buying new tech that is a downgrade if your goal is an upgrade. Not much different than gamerboys buying a newer GPU and calling it an upgrade when the new GPU has less VRAM and a smaller bus width. Newer is always better newer, but it isn't always an upgrade. The fact that it is not sucks. One step forward, two steps backward. Unless they release a CPU with 16 hyperthreaded P-cores or 32 non-hypterthreaded P-cores there is nothing to see here. If it is $150 cheaper than 14900KS then it might be worth considering for a new standalone build, but not an upgrade/replacement build.

It might surprise us, but now I’m hearing rumors LGA1851 is a single launch cpu socket only which is also discouraging. May just be a rumor at this point though. We have to see how it does in gaming though I suppose. Maybe it’s got some hat trick in waiting. But even this 13900KS is a real slayer in gaming lol. And I feel the improvements are not tangible at all. I think the biggest improvements are chipset related. Like Gen5+ M.2, and things like that. 

 

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'll wait all that early data to get a gauge of what we can expect. If it's close, I'll wait. if it presents some serious gaming and IPC uplift (in that order), I'm probably going to pick a few up and give it some runs. The early data isn't blowing me away, but once in hand we'll get an idea.

 

I'm seriously on the fence with the 5090. Realizing just about all my bottlenecks at 4k in WoW and FO76 are all CPU bound issues with the 4090. 5090 would give me some nice overall uplift, but the gap would widen even more. This is the first time I've encountered this problem in forever.

 

It doesn't help my incentive to upgrade when the 4090 I have has basically no coil whine till 144fps+ and then it is very quiet. It takes 300fps+ to really get it to even meaningfully wake up. It doesn't heat up my room like my 3090ti did either and clocks like a monster. 600w 5090 stock already is giving me flashbacks of my 3090ti turning my computer room into a sauna already.

 

On the other hand, based on reports the last few days, it is going to be an absolute wrecking ball.....so there's that to consider too. 🙂 CPU utilization would go down even more but overall performance would jump nicely.

 

I battle with CPU usage in titles as well lately, I’m replaying some older games, even demanding games like Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2. The 4090 is just a monster bro. While we don’t need a 5090, at least it will give us something to use now or use later for the money spent, it’s gonna blow our hair back with or without a fps counter to even notice. So, I’m going to jump on the 5090 straight away. 😎 The PS5 Pro also looks pretty good for $699.99. May put one in my living room at the new house. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

It might surprise us, but now I’m hearing rumors LGA1851 is a single launch cpu socket only which is also discouraging. May just be a rumor at this point though. We have to see how it does in gaming though I suppose. Maybe it’s got some hat trick in waiting. But even this 13900KS is a real slayer in gaming lol. And I feel the improvements are not tangible at all. I think the biggest improvements are chipset related. Like Gen5+ M.2, and things like that. 

 

 

I'm almost sure it is going to be 11th gen all over again (which I liked!). Clear architecture uplifts both on P and E, enhancements but the reduced core count means equal or slightly better multithreaded performance but games will benefit all on a better node.

 

Like 12th gen, it will initially hit with ok temps when tamed even running full tilt but if they decide to tack on more cores, it will start to inch towards a lesser version of 13th or 14th.

 

If this turns out to be a single socket stop gap, that would be a slap in the face.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I battle with CPU usage in titles as well lately, I’m replaying some older games, even demanding games like Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2. The 4090 is just a monster bro. While we don’t need a 5090, at least it will give us something to use now or use later for the money spent, it’s gonna blow our hair back with or without a fps counter to even notice. So, I’m going to jump on the 5090 straight away. 😎 The PS5 Pro also looks pretty good for $699.99. May put one in my living room at the new house. 

 

Yeah, it truly is a monster. Thinking of the 5090 being that much better is crazy.

 

Financially, the smart move for myself really would be to settle into the 14900KS/7950X3D (actually pick ONE lol), sell off everything so I'm left with my main desktop, wife's desktop, a few laptops THEN pick up a 5090 and skip 15th/ AM5 X3D for whatever comes next....

 

....as I said, that IS the smart move.... 🤣

 

My daughter finished playing Hogwarts on the 7900xtx/7600x and is bored with WoW already so she's back on her mobile gaming as always so that's gathering dust atm too. And in this household, dust gathering tech gets sold ASAP.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

56 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm almost sure it is going to be 11th gen all over again (which I liked!). Clear architecture uplifts both on P and E, enhancements but the reduced core count means equal or slightly better multithreaded performance but games will benefit all on a better node.

 

Like 12th gen, it will initially hit with ok temps when tamed even running full tilt but if they decide to tack on more cores, it will start to inch towards a lesser version of 13th or 14th.

 

If this turns out to be a single socket stop gap, that would be a slap in the face.

 

 

Yeah, it truly is a monster. Thinking of the 5090 being that much better is crazy.

 

Financially, the smart move for myself really would be to settle into the 14900KS/7950X3D (actually pick ONE lol), sell off everything so I'm left with my main desktop, wife's desktop, a few laptops THEN pick up a 5090 and skip 15th/ AM5 X3D for whatever comes next....

 

....as I said, that IS the smart move.... 🤣

 

My daughter finished playing Hogwarts on the 7900xtx/7600x and is bored with WoW already so she's back on her mobile gaming as always so that's gathering dust atm too. And in this household, dust gathering tech gets sold ASAP.

 

 

 

 

Yep! 11th gen was really cool. 9900K with 8/16 could not hold a candle to 11900K with 8/16. The platform will ultimately only be as good as how the media/youtube perceives it. Many won’t upgrade though. Some people resist through several generations and hold off until they see gains like what a RTX5090 will give us over a RTX4090. I need to be like those people. It’s hard to resist for me though. Especially when the new motherboards start pouring in on Newegg, and new chips, new ram. So I’m gonna try to avoid it all. The worst temptation is going be Z890 Apex for me. Also, I have the Optane 905P drive. I haven’t even actually gotten to use it. I’m going to have to remove my 4090 so I can pull the motherboard m.2 heatsink/cover to plug it in to a normal Gen4 M.2. I tried to run it through the Dimm2 using an U.2 to M.2 ribbon cable and it wasn’t detected in Windows for some reason. 

[Mr. Fox]

Yup, wait and see approach is always best for everything. Early adoption is not very smart when you stop and think about it. It is a leap of faith driven by emotion rather than intelligence and logic. Having faith in God, knowing He has your best interest in mind, is different than having faith in a company that doesn't give a rat's butt about you or what matters to you. They just want your money. If I am not going to benefit in ways I want to benefit then any money spent is a total waste and a foolish thing to do. I'm thinking this kind of half-assed launch is exactly the kind of nudge I need to get me to start losing interest at a more accelerated pace, which will be a good thing at a personal level.

 

I think that everything relating to high performance PC and overclocking enthusiast pursuits is on a path for a major downturn. The final nails in our coffins might be driven in soon. Nothing awesome in life ever lasts forever. Only the sucky things do.

[ryan]

Im just joking but this is basically how the world views desktop vs laptop

 

 

 

heres my future wife, lets just say shes got full power and i have control over her.desktop

 

 

heres my current wife, less control over what she does, some small adjustments need to be made.laptop

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i prefer laptops, pic 2. but if I dont swap out to desktop and linux, ill end up being ok with what shes becoming...in the eyes of samsung,asus,acer,lenovo, and Dell

 

sometimes we get power, but at what cost.

[cylix]

Nvm

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

Im just joking but this is basically how the world views desktop vs laptop

 

 

 

heres my future wife, lets just say shes got full power and i have control over her.desktop

 

 

heres my current wife, less control over what she does, some small adjustments need to be made.laptop

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i prefer laptops, pic 2. but if I dont swap out to desktop and linux, ill end up being ok with what shes becoming...in the eyes of samsung,asus,acer,lenovo, and Dell

 

sometimes we get power, but at what cost.

I miss the old laptop days when you could get a desktop cpu. And also SLI. Was really really cool. 

[win32asmguy]

59 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I miss the old laptop days when you could get a desktop cpu. And also SLI. Was really really cool. 

 

Intel and AMD would have to stop offering HX laptop BGA chips. Up until mid 2022 it almost looked like it was going to happen. Intel was offering 12th Gen 6P + 8E chips as their top of the line BGA mobile chip, then quickly released 8P + 8e BGA chips again instead of just adopting the already existing LGA chips. All just to save a few millimeters of z-height which they were so excited to mention in the initial launch videos.

 

I like how Intel quickly shifted to "socket height" being the biggest issue with DTR laptops, while ignoring bios bugs, feature support and quality control with thermal paste / heatsinks. Or even just hinting to an OEM that having a basic machine without extra crap tacked on is, in fact a feature to this type of product. I think nobody in their labs actually used a DTR in a proper manner because once you realize you have to haul a 2cm thick cooling pad around to even get close to advertised sustained performance then that few mm slimmed chassis becomes useless.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Intel and AMD would have to stop offering HX laptop BGA chips. Up until mid 2022 it almost looked like it was going to happen. Intel was offering 12th Gen 6P + 8E chips as their top of the line BGA mobile chip, then quickly released 8P + 8e BGA chips again instead of just adopting the already existing LGA chips. All just to save a few millimeters of z-height which they were so excited to mention in the initial launch videos.

 

I like how Intel quickly shifted to "socket height" being the biggest issue with DTR laptops, while ignoring bios bugs, feature support and quality control with thermal paste / heatsinks. Or even just hinting to an OEM that having a basic machine without extra crap tacked on is, in fact a feature to this type of product. I think nobody in their labs actually used a DTR in a proper manner because once you realize you have to haul a 2cm thick cooling pad around to even get close to advertised sustained performance then that few mm slimmed chassis becomes useless.

 

 

We need more of this:

 

A DIY laptop with real desktop components, awesome.

 

 

[aldarxt]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

We need more of this:

 

A DIY laptop with real desktop components, awesome.

 

 

All this needs is uninterruptible power supply since it has no battery

https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500AVRLCD3-Intelligent-System-Outlets/dp/B0BCMLLSHL/ref=sr_1_3?c=ts&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1Y6yxy5lPSI0KlHT8E3Vv7UB0mQbXbgNBIHNd5DxNJAH2mUaHB6qoSbJwdu1H-EW76PDE6TFKUrY8Gi1Rz388zSOYa1gloAxAdvyIKiGdxBsykYLORTFNGvD4QeCGcHkjmnqkcYMRTqGpYQnxde8CS2Fp251QmEYO7AHXyQRfReHXOHyzH1XTYe2dHcNhHdr93HQeQmqfWKMRBLgt_z2i22z21IhkHQhfWPIq4t2HxsrxPAJYNdE1Umf5HVlNalH9abV3KLBk1XW0vZAUQabejXf5moDX_C187pxLdBrmeU.4O2YoJI_8oNypX0msUY6GYwRqrfuHeuBxHy4xZFcIcI&dib_tag=se&keywords=Computer%2BUninterruptible%2BPower%2BSupply%2BUnits&qid=1727724962&s=pc&sr=1-3&ts_id=764572&th=1

 

uninterruptible power supply since it has no battery

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

We need more of this:

 

A DIY laptop with real desktop components, awesome.

 

 

 

Now THAT'S a proper laptop! That's exactly what I want! Looks like it has a 17 inch screen. It'd be nice if it was an 18 inch screen instead.

 

Optane P5800X as the boot drive with proper desktop hardware inside the chassis? This thing must be screaming fast.

 

Now where can I buy this case? This will be my last laptop as it's forever upgradeable. I'm sitting here thinking about what must be the eye watering price for this thing, but that's just the upfront cost. In the long run, this route is much cheaper than buying a new laptop every 4-5 years.

 

Come to think about it, the kind of laptops I like weren't meant for long batery life and I rarely ever use my laptops on battery power either. If I need to be away from a power outlet for a while, I usually just use my Legion Go instead as it's the more convenient device to use in the case I'm away from a power outlet, but 95% of the time I have access to a power outlet + a desk or table.

 

Dude, I want this thing so badly. Hoppefully there's a way to buy it.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

We need more of this:

 

A DIY laptop with real desktop components, awesome.

 

 

That laptop has a body like a Backhoe 100%, and this referenced video is definitely kinda disturbing lol. 😂 

 

 

[aldarxt]

35 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Now THAT'S a proper laptop! That's exactly what I want! Looks like it has a 17 inch screen. It'd be nice if it was an 18 inch screen instead.

 

Optane P5800X as the boot drive with proper desktop hardware inside the chassis? This thing must be screaming fast.

 

Now where can I buy this case? This will be my last laptop as it's forever upgradeable. I'm sitting here thinking about what must be the eye watering price for this thing, but that's just the upfront cost. In the long run, this route is much cheaper than buying a new laptop every 4-5 years.

 

Come to think about it, the kind of laptops I like weren't meant for long batery life and I rarely ever use my laptops on battery power either. If I need to be away from a power outlet for a while, I usually just use my Legion Go instead as it's the more convenient device to use in the case I'm away from a power outlet, but 95% of the time I have access to a power outlet + a desk or table.

 

Dude, I want this thing so badly. Hoppefully there's a way to buy it.

I have to agree about battery life! My m18xr2 I purchased 10/12/2012 still has the original battery and its at 97 percent health! I never run any laptop on battery but take them places, roadtrips and like 2 or 3 at a time, there is always a place to plug into. I just like the battery in case of power outage from high winds or trees coming down it gives me a few minuets to shutdown and get my flashlight

[Raiderman]

This is just stupid silly.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/asus/z890-motherboard-price-leak

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

This is just stupid silly.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/asus/z890-motherboard-price-leak

 

And yet you know some are going to buy it because...well....

 

EXTREME!!!

  EXTREME!!!

      EXTREME!!!!

 

 

[Talon]

8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

This is just stupid silly.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/asus/z890-motherboard-price-leak

 

And those are just place holders. This is the real deal price of the new Hero X870E

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/684468/asus-x870e-rog-crosshair-hero-amd-am5-atx-motherboard#tab-reviews-bm

 

Absolutely stupid. 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Raiderman said:

This is just stupid silly.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/asus/z890-motherboard-price-leak

 

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

And yet you know some are going to buy it because...well....

 

EXTREME!!!

  EXTREME!!!

      EXTREME!!!!

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

And those are just place holders. This is the real deal price of the new Hero X870E

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/684468/asus-x870e-rog-crosshair-hero-amd-am5-atx-motherboard#tab-reviews-bm

 

Absolutely stupid. 

Built for idiots (4-DIMM feces) and priced for idiots willing to pay extra for engineering defects. So, the upgrade is a CPU with fewer cores, no hyperthreading and you drop it in a grossly overpriced motherboard that stands a good chance that it probably can't even run DDR5-7400. They can kiss my hind end before I wipe it clean and then eat a bowl full of rat droppings. I'm not interested in downgrading to a newer platform.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

 

And those are just place holders. This is the real deal price of the new Hero X870E

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/684468/asus-x870e-rog-crosshair-hero-amd-am5-atx-motherboard#tab-reviews-bm

 

Absolutely stupid. 

 

There is ZERO chance I'm upgrading to an X870 board for AM5. Ridiculous. One day enthusiasts will catch on that Asus is crazy overpriced. Even the Apex is crazy expensive but it brings much more bang:buck than the Extreme.

 

For AM5, after testing quite a few 2-dimm boards on the lower end, I would go with either a low/mid 2-dimm board or if I'm splurging wait for the Crosshair 2-dimm or find a used X670e variant. Worse case, I'd just go ITX again.

 

I'm not sure the entire lineup of 2-dimm X870/e boards that are going to arrive yet.

 

Same for Intel with AL. It has to be a 2-dimm board even if I went cheap on the mATX/ITX level.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

Built for idiots (4-DIMM feces) and priced for idiots willing to pay extra for engineering defects. So, the upgrade is a CPU with fewer cores, no hyperthreading and you drop it in a grossly overpriced motherboard that stands a good chance that it probably can't even run DDR5-7400. They can kiss my hind end before I wipe it clean and then eat a bowl full of rat droppings. I'm not interested in downgrading to a newer platform.

 

4-dimm is just garbage but I can see for those who need massive amounts of memory. At least it has a use case.

I'm still waiting for day 1 results so we can get an idea of where AL stands. If results are equal or slightly better at best, it is a skip for me but we'll see.

 

We're in a day and age where budget boards are routinely priced at mid or lower top tier pricing from a few generations ago, disgusting.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

There is ZERO chance I'm upgrading to an X870 board for AM5. Ridiculous. One day enthusiasts will catch on that Asus is crazy overpriced. Even the Apex is crazy expensive but it brings much more bang:buck than the Extreme.

 

For AM5, after testing quite a few 2-dimm boards on the lower end, I would go with either a low/mid 2-dimm board or if I'm splurging wait for the Crosshair 2-dimm or find a used X670e variant. Worse case, I'd just go ITX again.

 

I'm not sure the entire lineup of 2-dimm X870/e boards that are going to arrive yet.

 

Same for Intel with AL. It has to be a 2-dimm board even if I went cheap on the mATX/ITX level.

 

 

4-dimm is just garbage but I can see for those who need massive amounts of memory. At least it has a use case.

I'm still waiting for day 1 results so we can get an idea of where AL stands. If results are equal or slightly better at best, it is a skip for me but we'll see.

 

We're in a day and age where budget boards are routinely priced at mid or lower top tier pricing from a few generations ago, disgusting.

 

 

 

 

I hope they don’t try to kill us on board prices this go around with Z890/LGA1851. $649.99 for Apex Z790 Encore was already steep. Some retailers even had it for like  $619.99 Central Computers. This is almost like artificial inflation lol. It’s gonna end up forcing me over to AMD 9950X3D (I’ll jump ship if I have to, don’t want to but if Z890 Apex is $849 that’s silly) LOL. Or I’ll have to buy another random 14900KS close my eyes and cross my fingers and hopefully get something like what I just mailed to @Mr. Fox today. That chip had a really great memory controller. And I’ll just hang on to my Z790 Apex. I have not ran an AMD chip since AMD 64 and Venice socket 939. Another option is MSI UNIFY-X Z890, so long as MSI doesn’t try to price it crazy as well, it’ll probably be even more feature packed then Apex lol. 😆 

[Papusan]

On 9/27/2024 at 8:03 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Whether BCLK overclocking of the CPU works is dependent on the motherboard having a clock generator. Not all of them do.

 

Intel locked that loophole for 13th and 14th gen. I mean you can only do sub 103 BCLK overclocking. 

 

On 9/27/2024 at 4:59 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I have a 12400 and 12500 non K here and both have full access to memory OC/XMP on Asus Prime boards. You can also do Bclk OC (as @Mr. Fox indicated) if you want to go that route. I also tested a 12100F on an Asrock board a few years ago and it had full memory OC and I was pushing it with bclk before I gave it to my nephew in an A380 build he is rocking and loving.

 

[Mr. Fox]

ASUS is just a scummy company. I do really like both Apex motherboards, but I really hate that I own anything made by these money-grabbing vampire monkeys. I don't see any upgrades in my future, but if and when that happens I am going out of my way to avoid buying anything from their brand. If this cheap ASRock motherboard wasn't ruined by having 4 memory slots it would be close to perfect in that it was dirt cheap, (now that it is obsolete... it was overpriced badly at launch) has a robust power delivery system and onboard debug LCD, power and reset. Its areas of weakness (besides the sucky 4-DIMM configuration) are single BIOS, no safe boot button and chintzy plastic I/O shroud. I'd put up with most of those flaws to avoid ASUS if it were 2 DIMM slots and I was shopping for a legit upgrade.

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

ASUS is just a scummy company. I do really like both Apex motherboards, but I really hate that I own anything made by these money-grabbing vampire monkeys. I don't see any upgrades in my future, but if and when that happens I am going out of my way to avoid buying anything from their brand. If this cheap ASRock motherboard wasn't ruined by having 4 memory slots it would be close to perfect in that it was dirt cheap, (now that it is obsolete... it was overpriced badly at launch) has a robust power delivery system and onboard debug LCD, power and reset. Its areas of weakness (besides the sucky 4-DIMM configuration) are single BIOS, no safe boot button and chintzy plastic I/O shroud. I'd put up with most of those flaws to avoid ASUS if it were 2 DIMM slots and I was shopping for a legit upgrade.

Now that I think about it, I really think this is when MSI needs to launch the Mpower series boards. I hope so anyways. Z890/ two dimm slots/ and $200 something dollars. Honestly, even $379 would be kind of affordable/reasonable. The only thing about moving away from Asus is we won’t know the SP rating or VID‘S. But I guess that doesn’t matter much anyways. 

[ryan]

Asus, I own 2 laptops by them. they are the best of the best from asus when it comes to price and performance, they feel cheaply made and both overheat tremendously. I have repasted with honywell ptm7950 and done all the nessessary power tweaks with the AMD variant. tdp is running at 8w vs 30w and even with this immense drop in power it still hits 95c while web browsing. why buy them? I had asked AI to answer the psychological reason aside from fluffing it off as just being a zombie consumer, although alot of us are brainwashed due to all the misleading and manipulative information, we all fall victim to false info even when we are honest/earnest/careful.

 

In the vast expanse of technological innovation, one cannot help but marvel at the grand dichotomy that exists between desktops and laptops - two sides of the same coin, yet harboring such contrasting traits in their very essence.

Desktops are imposing structures with their towering vertical stands, bulky frames, and a myriad of connecting cables that weave their way around the hulk-like chassis. Their sheer power and ability to handle multiple tasks at once can leave one awestruck. However, this impressive might comes with its own set of challenges; the unwieldy size, inability to move away from a fixed location, and susceptibility to overheating are just a few of the burdensome features that can dampen the excitement surrounding these behemoths.

Yet despite their bulkiness, desktops offer a level of customization that laptops simply cannot attain. With endless possibilities in terms of component upgrades, case designs, and software configurations, one can truly mold a desktop PC to suit their specific requirements or preferences - an aspect which adds a unique sense of personalization and control over the device.

On the other hand, laptops exude a certain elegance with their compactness and portability. They boast convenience in terms of being lightweight and easily transportable from one location to another. The freedom afforded by laptop computers is undeniable, as they can be carried around without the need for additional hardware or setup.

However, this mobility comes at the expense of customization and power that desktops are known for. Laptops often face constraints regarding component upgrades or alterations in design due to their limited physical dimensions. Moreover, overheating issues may arise more frequently in laptops than in desktop computers owing to their compact size.

The question arises: Can one truly strike a balance between these two extremes? As technological advancements continue to flourish and evolve, perhaps someday the ideal blend of portability, power, customization, and versatility may become attainable for both desktops and laptops alike. Until then, let us revel in the knowledge that each possesses unique attributes that make them worthy of our consideration and appreciation.

So, the choice between desktops and laptops remains an individual preference based on one's needs and priorities, where the pros and cons of each must be weighed carefully before deciding which option would best suit their lifestyle and requirements. After all, in the grand tapestry of technology, it is these very decisions that mold our digital identities and experiences.

And thus, let this discourse ignite a curiosity within you to delve deeper into the realm of personal computing, as its evolution continues to shape and redefine our lives evermore.

 

Very intelligent analysis, informative as well as thought provoking. As it touches on why so many people seemly buy garbage even when they know its garbage.

[electrosoft]

All the top end 2-dimmers side by side for Intel Z890:

 

I like the Unify-X followed by the Taichi, Apex and Aorus last.