*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, Talon said:

36K at 190w stock. 

What was the sp rating? What’s vf curve like? 

[Talon]

24 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What was the sp rating? What’s vf curve like? 

 

My global SP was 80. P 88 and E 74. I guess that is pretty common from what they're seeing even on 285K with some back and forth messages I had with someone else that likely is in the know. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm waiting for the real deal..... BRING ON THE 285! 🙂

 

 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Gonna be more or less the same gap right?

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Probably, but I'll wait for the final data moreso in games than CB23 especially early memory results and room for growth.

 

 

I don't know if this is stock or what, but it's not a high clock and looks very hot. Way too much voltage for only 5.5GHz. Memory is only clocked at an unimpressive 7200 (4-DIMM mobo). Hopefully this is just a very bad example of what to expect and not representative of normal.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5670831_shasho_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_ultra_9_285k_42286_cb#media

 

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

I don't know if this is stock or what, but it's not a high clock and looks very hot. Way too much voltage for only 5.5GHz.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5670831_shasho_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_ultra_9_285k_42286_cb#media

 

Definitely 11th gen all over again. I can’t possibly see anything magical happening at this point. 

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Definitely 11th gen all over again. I can’t possibly see anything magical happening at this point. 

I guess we will all soon find out together as our friends start receiving their new toys.

[Papusan]

16 hours ago, Talon said:

About how I'm feeling right now. 

 

 

Worth the money?😀 

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-7-265k-goes-on-sale-before-official-embargo

 

 

Here's more disgusting for the day... Not that I want an smartphone CPU in any Pc's (thats silly) but how ARM blessing innovation and competition.

 

In a shocking move, Arm cancels Qualcomm's license to manufacture Snapdragon chips

Qualcomm is almost entirely dependent on those licenses for its products

 

Following the acquisition, Nuvia's tech lived on as the Oryon custom CPU cores now powering Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon X Elite processors for Windows on Arm laptops and other Copilot+ PCs. Qualcomm just announced new Oryon-based mobile chips this week.

 

If Arm does follow through on killing Qualcomm's license after the 60-day notice period, it could derail Qualcomm's multi-billion dollar mobile and PC chip business. The company might have to stop selling certain products that reportedly accounts for nearly the entirety of its $39 billion in annual revenue.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Worth the money?😀 

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-7-265k-goes-on-sale-before-official-embargo

 

 

Here's more disgusting for the day... Not that I want an smartphone CPU in any Pc's (thats silly) but how ARM blessing innovation and competition.

 

In a shocking move, Arm cancels Qualcomm's license to manufacture Snapdragon chips

Qualcomm is almost entirely dependent on those licenses for its products

 

Following the acquisition, Nuvia's tech lived on as the Oryon custom CPU cores now powering Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon X Elite processors for Windows on Arm laptops and other Copilot+ PCs. Qualcomm just announced new Oryon-based mobile chips this week.

 

If Arm does follow through on killing Qualcomm's license after the 60-day notice period, it could derail Qualcomm's multi-billion dollar mobile and PC chip business. The company might have to stop selling certain products that reportedly accounts for nearly the entirety of its $39 billion in annual revenue.

One less maker of pathetic mobile e-waste would be a good thing. Then maybe we will get even luckier and right after Qualcomm goes out of business, Arm will follow. Our world would be a better place without their rubbish.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

One less maker of pathetic mobile e-waste would be a good thing. Then maybe we will get even luckier and right after Qualcomm goes out of business, Arm will follow. Our world would be a better place without their rubbish.

 

Hmmm. If Qualcomm/ARM going out of business.... Be you sure Intel and AMD will design chips to meet Microsoft and phone manufacturers need. Aka the focus on desktop and Jokebook chips will fade away and all we will get is ARM replacements but tagged as X86 chips from Intel and AMD. Not so sure you want it that way either🙂 Because Intel etc won't make different chips depending on what they will be used in. The profits is in Unisex design that fits all and everything. As an reminder.... Microsoft did the same with their OS. Aka it started with Windows 8. There is no more desktop OS from Microsoft!!!!

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. If Qualcomm/ARM going out of business.... Be you sure Intel and AMD will design chips to meet Microsoft and phone manufacturers need. Aka the focus on desktop and Jokebook chips will fade away and all we will get is ARM replacements but tagged as X86 chips from Intel and AMD. Not so sure you want it that way either🙂 Because Intel etc won't make different chips depending on what they will be used in. The profits is in Unisex design that fits all and everything. As an reminder.... Microsoft did the same with their OS. Aka it started with Windows 8. There is no more desktop OS from Microsoft!!!!

Sometimes it is better to swallow it all in one bite and get it over with. One small bite at a time is just too miserable and demoralizing. Like death by 1,000 papercuts. Better to just rip off the band-aid and move on.

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes it is better to swallow it all in one bite. One bite at a time is just too miserable and demoralizing. Rip off the band-aid and move on.

 

Yup, Intel already feed Microsoft with Meteor + Lunar lake chips for their trashbooks. And these modern hybrid processors are the foundation for making Arrow Lake cpu's for desktops. So we are there already. And worse it will be. See the beauty below....

 

 

[Talon]

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, I'm still waiting but I sold off my 7950X3D and MSI x670E Carbon to open up a "what if" slot for a 285 if I like what I see. Still have the 7600x/Prime B650/6000 Mdie 2x16GB combo to sell off.

 

Right now:

 

If 285 is a go, sell off the rest of my 12th/13th/DDR4 stuff, move my Asrock Z790i+14900KS into the wife's system. Pick up a Z890+285 for my main rig.

 

If 285 is a no go, ride the 14900KS till next gen (Zen6/16th gen).

 

I just got sent a new BIOS and it shaved off a decent amount of latency! It had a new MCU and ME update, so they are definitely improving and working on things. 

[Meaker]

 

I moved my 32GB kit into Alison's PC and picked up a 48GB kit of patriot 6000 CL36, it has lights so of course is 10% faster 😄

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Meaker said:

 

I moved my 32GB kit into Alison's PC and picked up a 48GB kit of patriot 6000 CL36, it has lights so of course is 10% faster 😄

 

I see. That's why modern computer users love (a)RDB puke show. And more if just mean more performance😁

 

 

Intel Core Ultra 200S processors have consistency and instability issues at launch, are Core 13 and Core 14 bugs returning?

It's from Moore's law is dead so have this in mind. But all this messed up just follow modern tech trends. Bugs and problems with new released tech is the new normal nowadays

 

The only positive note is the fact that they will be more energy efficient than the Ryzen 9000 and Ryzen 7000 out of the box , and also cooler. And that's all for the problems with the Core Ultra 200S, where tomorrow we will see if that consistency in performance and that instability will take its toll on Intel, but if everything is confirmed, we will be, possibly, not only facing the worst launch of the blues of the year, but perhaps of its entire history, worse than what we saw with Zen 5 and the Ryzen 9000, which is saying something.

 

 

 

Intel's CEO Pat. Gelsinger working hard for Intel......

[Talon]

24 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I see. That's why modern computer users love (a)RDB puke show. And more if just mean more performance😁

 

 

Intel Core Ultra 200S processors have consistency and instability issues at launch, are Core 13 and Core 14 bugs returning?

It's from Moore's law is dead so have this in mind. But all this messed up just follow modern tech trends. Bugs and problems with new released tech is the new normal nowadays

 

The only positive note is the fact that they will be more energy efficient than the Ryzen 9000 and Ryzen 7000 out of the box , and also cooler. And that's all for the problems with the Core Ultra 200S, where tomorrow we will see if that consistency in performance and that instability will take its toll on Intel, but if everything is confirmed, we will be, possibly, not only facing the worst launch of the blues of the year, but perhaps of its entire history, worse than what we saw with Zen 5 and the Ryzen 9000, which is saying something.

 

Intel's CEO Mr Pat. Gelsinger working hard for Intel......

 

Honestly after I got the cancer that is Windows 11 installed properly, I've had absolutely no issues with any of that. No crashing, no consistency issues, nothing. 

 

I've finally learned that the latency and fabric clocks are key. But still in many cases the 14900K/KS is just flat out better, at least when compared to the cache limited 265K I'm testing. It doesn't have this latency penalty crap. I think with CUDIMM I might be able to get better perf on 285K in some games while saving power and offer higher multicore. But at what cost. I really hope Bartlett Lake ends up being real. Intel needs to drop a high core count P core only and cache chip for gamers. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Honestly after I got the cancer that is Windows 11 installed properly, I've had absolutely no issues with any of that. No crashing, no consistency issues, nothing. 

 

I've finally learned that the latency and fabric clocks are key. But still in many cases the 14900K/KS is just flat out better, at least when compared to the cache limited 265K I'm testing. It doesn't have this latency penalty crap. I think with CUDIMM I might be able to get better perf on 285K in some games while saving power and offer higher multicore. But at what cost. I really hope Bartlett Lake ends up being real. Intel needs to drop a high core count P core only and cache chip for gamers. 

 

Intel have made it difficult for everyone. Also Ari at Cybenetic Lab mention the same. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I just got sent a new BIOS and it shaved off a decent amount of latency! It had a new MCU and ME update, so they are definitely improving and working on things. 

 

I figure things can only go up from ground zero launch as the kinks are worked out. Alderlake launch was just such a monster improvement over 10th and 11th even from launch maybe we were expecting too much. 😞

 

11th gen all over? Ugh, let's hope not  I say this having enjoyed 11th gen tinkering. I probably binned more 11900k's than any other chip lol.

 

Definitely looking forward to your 285 work @Talon.

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel have made it difficult for everyone. Also Ari at Cybenetic Lab mention the same. 

 

 

 

kool, thx for the headsup, havent seen the vid drop yet. btw his name is Ares, like the greek god of war. its actually a quite common name in greece / cyprus.

 

soooo, i was just installing Serious Sam 3 BFE Gold Edition (in the mood for some older, simpler shoot 'em up titles) and the setup had an inbuilt system requirements checker. it stated that all my components were up to snuff, EXCEPT the gpu *rofl*

 

 

lets hope the 5090 is good enough for it then 😄 

[Talon]

34 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I figure things can only go up from ground zero launch as the kinks are worked out. Alderlake launch was just such a monster improvement over 10th and 11th even from launch maybe we were expecting too much. 😞

 

11th gen all over? Ugh, let's hope not  I say this having enjoyed 11th gen tinkering. I probably binned more 11900k's than any other chip lol.

 

Definitely looking forward to your 285 work @Talon.

 

 

 

 

I also enjoyed tinkering with the 11th gen so much. Memory OC was key. 

 

8400 C38 with latest BIOS around 66ns. I imagine we can shave this down even more with CUDIMMs. Arrow Lake loses hard in some games, but it eeks out a victory in others from my testing. But it requires you to run high speed DDR5 and overclock the fabric. 

 

 

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

kool, thx for the headsup, havent seen the vid drop yet. btw his name is Ares, like the greek god of war. its actually a quite common name in greece / cyprus.

 

 

lets hope the 5090 is good enough for it then 😄 

 

Forgot the s😁 - Aris Mpitziopoulos. Not Ares. Papusan vs jaybee83 = 0-0🤩

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Forgot the s😁 - Aris Mpitziopoulos. Not Ares🤩

yeah thats the greek spelling, with an "i". in english its Ares 😄

 

5 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I also enjoyed tinkering with the 11th gen so much. Memory OC was key. 

 

8400 C38 with latest BIOS around 66ns. I imagine we can shave this down even more with CUDIMMs. Arrow Lake loses hard in some games, but it eeks out a victory in others from my testing. But it requires you to run high speed DDR5 and overclock the fabric. 

 

 

 

damn, that latency seems quite high at that frequency / CL....

[Talon]

15 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

yeah thats the greek spelling, with an "i". in english its Ares 😄

 

 

damn, that latency seems quite high at that frequency / CL....

Dielets 💩

[Rage Set]

17 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I also enjoyed tinkering with the 11th gen so much. Memory OC was key. 

 

8400 C38 with latest BIOS around 66ns. I imagine we can shave this down even more with CUDIMMs. Arrow Lake loses hard in some games, but it eeks out a victory in others from my testing. But it requires you to run high speed DDR5 and overclock the fabric. 

 

 

 

So it's Ryzen first gen all over again. Instead of AMD competing with the 6950X/7980XE, it's Intel's turn to compete with the 13900K/14900K? The true end of an era.

[jaybee83]

1 minute ago, Rage Set said:

 

So it's Ryzen first gen all over again. Instead of AMD competing with the 6950X/7980XE, it's Intel's turn to compete with the 13900K/14900K? The true end of an era.

lets hope intel can built upon this like AMD did. i mean, u do gotta start at some point, might as well be Arrow Lake!

[Talon]

2 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

So it's Ryzen first gen all over again. Instead of AMD competing with the 6950X/7980XE, it's Intel's turn to compete with the 13900K/14900K? The true end of an era.

Eh it’s not nearly that dire. I also think some of it can be fixed with microcode and os scheduling updates. 
 

Right now if I don’t use high performance profile the CPU will add 20-30ns of latency it’s wild. I expect that is what a lot of these reviewers are doing or not seeing. 
 

Yet go back and watch HwU review of Ryzen 1. He purposely used high perf to ensure proper perf. Let’s see if he does this for ARL. 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

Eh it’s not nearly that dire. I also think some of it can be fixed with microcode and os scheduling updates. 
 

Right now if I don’t use high performance profile the CPU will add 20-30ns of latency it’s wild. I expect that is what a lot of these reviewers are doing or not seeing. 
 

Yet go back and watch HwU review of Ryzen 1. He purposely used high perf to ensure proper perf. Let’s see if he does this for ARL. 

 

Microsoft failed help AMD with an working power scheduler in earlier days. Hence AMD needed cook up one inhouse for themself. I really hate if we now need an new Intel software to try make this new hybrid mess to work properly with Windows. And Microsoft is well known to break things with updates. And I don't like install several bios updates to try make it work better than yesterday. We all know how that works out. 

 

And as all know... Microsoft playing god with the power plans in newer OS builds to match their new low power smartphone Cpu's from Qualcomm. 

 

I hate such nonsense. And AMDs driver packages to make the Cpu's to work is awful. Now we are at the risk running into the same with Intel's new glued together mess. And Intel have already started remove features like C1E in bios with MC for Raptor lake to reduce power and to reduce the stress on the CPUs. Maybe they can reduce RMA cost doing it this way. Yup, I don't like the direction it goes with modern tech. 

 

 

Edit. This looks very interesting. Asus measly 6K views and beaten by Asrock for Z890 boards @Mr. Fox Maybe the awful ROG tax finally is too hard to swallow? 

 

Not sure yet on the Z890 Apex prices here home, but the ASRock Z890 TAICHI OCF ain't cheap. $730 USD here home🙄 And many of the MSI so called better boards cost from $730 and upwards to +$1000 USD.