*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

17 hours ago, Talon said:

On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. 

 

what goes through my head when i read Zen6 in late 2026/27: AM5 promise by AMD goes until "2027+", so best to push Zen6 right up until that point to avoid having to include ANOTHER gen on AM5 😛 keeping their promise but doing everything they can to offer less by it....

[Talon]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

what goes through my head when i read Zen6 in late 2026/27: AM5 promise by AMD goes until "2027+", so best to push Zen6 right up until that point to avoid having to include ANOTHER gen on AM5 😛 keeping their promise but doing everything they can to offer less by it....

Welp I’m along for the ride on both platforms now lol. If I get 2 gens with X870E, it’s what I'm used to with Intel lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Welp I’m along for the ride on both platforms now lol. If I get 2 gens with X870E, it’s what I'm used to with Intel lol. 

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_

 

Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

[electrosoft]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_

 

Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

 

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon  to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time.

 

We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣

 

(You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686787_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686781_

[Papusan]

 

It seems the Team at UserBenchmark once again try help Pat an Intel with the sales😆

 

UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world performance'

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686810_

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon  to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time.

 

We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣

 

(You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Red, blue or purple... but no less dangerous.

[Talon]

On 11/9/2024 at 1:38 PM, electrosoft said:

AMD has higher latency overall than Intel on average but do you have a Zen Timings and Aida screen shot? I ran 2x32GB but at 6000 CL28 and tightened up and was in the low 60's IIRC.

 

Hey bud can you share you Zentimings for that? What kit are you using, is it an EXPO kit or XMP? 6000 2x32gb in 1:1 is still giving me a heck of a time to get it stable. 

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like the voltage readings are not accurate.  🤷‍♂️

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686971_ #2

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686976_ #4

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Hey bud can you share you Zentimings for that? What kit are you using, is it an EXPO kit or XMP? 6000 2x32gb in 1:1 is still giving me a heck of a time to get it stable. 

To whatever degree it is helpful... this is TeamGroup Xtreme 8200.

 

[Talon]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

To whatever degree it is helpful... this is TeamGroup Xtreme 8200.

 

Thanks bro, I think I’ll try out my TG 2x24gb kit tomorrow.  

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Hey bud can you share you Zentimings for that? What kit are you using, is it an EXPO kit or XMP? 6000 2x32gb in 1:1 is still giving me a heck of a time to get it stable. 

 

They are the G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RK 2x32GB A-die sticks I picked up over a year ago. I held onto them for my future build (most likely x870e Taichi and 9800X3D or 9950X3D). I never used any of the built in timings. I just did them manually like I usually do.

 

I don't have my timings on hand as the x670e Carbon and 7950X3D were sold (Ihave a lowly 7600x + Prime B650e on the secondary rig right now with 2x16GB 6000 M-die), but I think I posted them in this thread somewhere when I was helping out @Raiderman with his x670e Carbon. They had no problems running 6000, 6200 or 6400 even but 6000 tightened up much better overall. 7800X3D and 7950X3D both capped out at 2133 for 1:1. My 7600x can do 2200 so I should retest them in there. Everything was tested at 1:1.

 

Edit: I went back and checked my attachments here and found a posting from July 2023 with some of my timings attached from these sticks on my 7800X3D before switching to the 7950X3D in December 2023:

 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Red, blue or purple... but no less dangerous.

 

Now we're talking! 👊

[jaybee83]

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_

 

Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

 

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686787_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686781_

 

yep, im starting to hear the 9950X scream your name 😄 keep it up!

 

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon  to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time.

 

We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣

 

(You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

 

Team purple, I like that 😄 Can I count myself, too, as the caretaker of my lady's machine? 😛 

 

[electrosoft]

22 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

Team purple, I like that 😄 Can I count myself, too, as the caretaker of my lady's machine? 😛 

 

 

But of course bro! 👊

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

Team purple, I like that 😄 Can I count myself, too, as the caretaker of my lady's machine? 😛 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

But of course bro! 👊

Absolutely. 💯

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Absolutely. 💯

 

btw ure gonna love this: mentioned before im playing Serious Sam 3 BFE, completed the main game and currently going through the expansion pack. every time Sam makes a comment I picture you running around with bigass guns shooting alien scum 

 

 

😄 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

btw ure gonna love this: mentioned before im playing Serious Sam 3 BFE, completed the main game and currently going through the expansion pack. every time Sam makes a comment I picture you running around with bigass guns shooting alien scum 

 

 

😄 

It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. 🤣

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Now we're talking! 👊

 

But how many will jump on the new chips from Intel? Because they appreciate so much all those fast power efficient e-cores that will save Intel?

 

Intel orders more 3nm chips from TSMC for Arrow Lake because they now found out that they can program the Thread Director 3.0 so it can prioritize E-Core instead of P-Core. The baby cores will save Intel once again.

 

Will Pat relax more now that Intel has reportedly found a solution to the gaming performance issue? You think he will dream sweetly about baby cores? 

 

 

Of course Intel need more 3nm chips from TSMC. Remember... Budget Arrow Lake processors en route to CES 2025.

Preliminary specifications for Intel's 65W and 35W Core Ultra 200 Arrow Lake S CPUs leaked

 

 

And here is an new feature bro @Mr. Fox have waited for😆 It match well with what Intel try do do with Arrow Lake. Better "Power efficiency" has to be todays word. Better performance will come second or last.

Windows 11 might soon be able to tell how much energy your PC consumes

Future Windows 11 updates might bring a new section for tracking your computer's energy consumption.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

And here is an new feature bro @Mr. Fox have waited for😆 It match well with what Intel try do do with Arrow Lake. Better "Power efficiency" has to be todays word. Better performance will come second or last.

Well, I love my LGA-1700 i9 CPUs. They're the best. Literally. Guys like us do not need the newer-but-not-better "efficient" feces.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Windows 11 might soon be able to tell how much energy your PC consumes

Future Windows 11 updates might bring a new section for tracking your computer's energy consumption.

This is a big brother power play. It's none of their business and they need to butt-out. But, we may not have to worry about the tree-hugger clown posse much longer because Sleepy Joe and Kamel Toe get booted soon. Their countless failures have been duly noted, measured and found wanting. You know that Big Tech is overrun with extreme left save the planet nutjobs, right? That's what is driving all of this irrational "efficiency" nonsense. They have to make electronics more efficient to offset the utterly ludicrous GOBS of electricity the electric cars they want to cram up all of our butts would leach off of the grid and drive everyone's electric bills into oblivion. As we know... can't fix stupid.

[tps3443]

On 11/10/2024 at 7:12 PM, Mr. Fox said:

https://hwbot.org/submission/5686810_

Thats pretty good honestly! Are you going to delid this CPU as well?  I hear Direct die chiplet CPUs are very finicky. Also, how do you like this system? Is it pretty reliable? 

Anyways, I just ran R24 with my bone stock 3175X@3.8Ghz. Will try again with an OC after work. I have been running this chip like this daily with just (4) Core boost of 4.4Ghz, all-core of 3.8Ghz, and I fell in love with the profile lol. It's like 250 watts in R23 and runs about 38c package max 🤣

[Rage Set]

Does this mean I am on a special team, RGB (AMD, Nvidia and Intel for CPUs/GPUs)? 🤣😂

 

EDIT: With @Mr. Fox and @Talon currently visiting team Red, my question is when will @Papusan take the plunge? 

 

These are some strange times, next thing I know @ryan would be joining the desktop crew as well. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Thats pretty good honestly! Are you going to delid this CPU as well?  I hear Direct die chiplet CPUs are very finicky. Also, how do you like this system? Is it pretty reliable? 

Anyways, I just ran R24 with my bone stock 3175X@3.8Ghz. Will try again with an OC after work. I have been running this chip like this daily with just (4) Core boost of 4.4Ghz, all-core of 3.8Ghz, and I fell in love with the profile lol. It's like 250 watts in R23 and runs about 38c package max 🤣

It's too early to say to what degree I like it. I can say that I don't "hate it" like I did the 5950X. I knew within 48 hours that the X570 Crosshair VIII Hero and 5950X purchase was a terrible choice with severe regrets.

 

It's definitely not bad. Apart from higher Cinebench scores (where it clearly wins) I don't think it is as good overall as my LGA-1700 i9 CPUs are, but it's also not far behind. I can say that I am happier than I expected I would be. So far, so good. This would be the first AMD product that I can honestly say that I am pleased with, and I am very happy to be able to say that. It was very demoralizing to always be disappointed and feel like a sucker in the past. I have always desired for them to be successful and gave them chances to change my mind because it benefits everyone if both red and blue teams can be successful. I think they finally scored a win in my book without needing to be superior to the Apex and 14900KS. Close enough to be compelling for sure.

 

As I grow more acquainted with things I will probably like it more than I do already, and I haven't identified anything terrible. It does have more functional limitations in terms of overclocking than my Intel systems have. I am being cautious about pushing it too far because I have no idea if Ryzen is resilient as Intel CPUs are and I don't want to kill it with my lack of experience with the platform. I suspect Core Ultra has even more functional limitations, so at this point I think it was a better decision than going with Core Ultra, but that could change with the next generation after Intel is done with the guinea pig phase.

 

Am I going to delid it and run bare die? Hell yeah. Absolutely. It's way too hot to leave it how it is. Every bit as hot-running as 13900/14900K/KF/KS, and hotter at lower voltage and less watts. People complaining about overclocked Intel CPUs running hot haven't tried pushing their Ryzen 9 system to the edge yet, LOL. It runs very hot, just like the Intel CPUs do. It does run cooler stock, but that doesn't count because I don't give a rat's butt about that.

 

I will probably order a der8auer Delid Die Mate and AMD Mycro direct die block in December or January, once I am done figuring out how things work. It's very different than what I am used to in terms of overclocking. I am not there yet. Hard to figure things out when there are so few AMD overclockers, and the few that there are don't share much in terms of technical knowledge. So far I haven't found any detailed overclocking tutorials like we are so used to seeing with Intel. Most of the threads with "overclocking" in the title are just people chewing the fat about gamer nonsense and very mediocre on the technical side of things. Everyone seems focused on playing games with very modest overclocking involved.

 

I moved it from the test bench to the case where the Apex Encore was installed and I am preparing the Apex Encore and Velocita for their new owner(s). Someone we all know and love is getting a once in a lifetime sweet deal on some golden silicon. 🙂

 

I really like this Carbon motherboard and especially the new MSI BIOS design. It is very good. Here is a crummy smartphone photo. In spite of the poor image quality, the system looks really good.

 

There are four things MSI could have done better on the mobo. First off, 4-DIMM DDR5 high end motherboards are stupid regardless of what platform or who makes them. So dumb. Second, the 8-pin PCIe auxillary power socket is in an idiotic place. I have a dual NVMe card in the bottom slot and I had to leave the heat sink off the NVMe closest to the motherboard because of interference. Second, the power and reset buttons at the bottom is less desirable than they would be at the top. On an open bench it does not matter. In a case it makes no sense having them there. The last thing was having two Gen5 M.2 slots. That was stupid. I have one Gen5 slot I can't use because I am not willing to cut the GPU down to x8 for the sake of having the slot filled. I still think it is a great motherboard and a good choice considering most of the alternatives are inferior or grossly overpriced (A$u$ pricing is as ludicrous as it gets.)

 

A personal gripe is that it has WiFi 7, which is only a good thing if you plan to run Winduhz 11. There are no Windoze 10 drivers for WiFi 7, same as there are no Windows 7 drivers for WiFi 6. That sucks, but it's not an MSI issue. If I ever used WiFi (and I do not) I would be pulling the WiFi 7 module and replacing it with something older and more compatible with OSes I care about.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Does this mean I am on a special team, RGB (AMD, Nvidia and Intel for CPUs/GPUs)? 🤣😂

Everything about you is special, and in a good way Brother @Rage Set. 🙂

Not the Dana Carvey "Church Lady" special, but awesome kind of special.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

EDIT: With @Mr. Fox and @Talon currently visiting team Red, my question is when will @Papusan take the plunge? 

 

Me? Nope. Have no desire going with the Red team or the "new modern Cinebench" chips from Intel. I will continue with the bashed Raptor lake Refresh. Nothing new from Intel or AMD tempt me. And I can't see any AMD chips will help me push my new and old graphics cards (in 3D) upwards on the leaderboards. Neither do Arrow Lake. Rather the opposite. Why make it harder for myself? And on top I save money. So double win with the old for me🙂 The new chips from Intel and AMD give me equal much as with modern Jokebooks. Aka zero.

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Me? Nope. Have no desire going with the Red team or the "new modern Cinebench" chips from Intel. I will continue with the bashed Raptor lake Refresh. Nothing new from Intel or AMD tempt me. And I can't see any AMD chips will help me push my new and old graphics cards (in 3D) upwards on the leaderboards. Neither do Arrow Lake. Rather the opposite. Why make it harder for myself? And on top I save money. So double win with the old for me🙂

That is a good plan. We both own the best already. Unless you're a gamer that wants to use opportunistic core boosting for single core 6.0GHz+ to degrade or kill your CPU and cook it with an air cooler or cheap AIO just because that is popular. In that case, maybe it's not the best option. Those kiddos should consider a console, i5 or entry-level X3D.