Papusan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The vram temp will most likely be damn high in a baby sized pc chassis. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review - The New Flagship Review Graphics Cards NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is the fastest graphics card ever released. It comes with a whopping 32 GB VRAM, and support for multi-frame generation, which achieves hundreds of FPS easily. We also managed to disassemble the card, and our review includes performance testing without upscaling or frame generation, too. Hmmm... With Blackwell, NVIDIA has removed the "Hot Spot" sensor, you still have access to "GPU Temperature" and "Memory Temperature". While there was always some drama around Hot Spot, it was useful to diagnose a misaligned cooler or waterblock. For creators and AI, this capability is useful though, as it lets them run larger problems, but that also means that these people, with deep pockets, will snatch away cards from gamers. Yup, 32GB is mostly useful for AI (not for gamers) so a perfect card for creators with deep pockets. When will we see the flagship cards for 4K gamers? Aka 5080Ti with +20GB vram. FYI. If nvidia will make a 800W Titan card.... The cooler neeed to be much bigger. And that will destroy for those that want/need more than one Titan card in their PC. Hence better with 2x5090 FE (dual-slot form factor) if the need is there for AI computing. The card reached a maximum temperature of 77°C, which is cool enough. vram in the mid 90's. Noise levels are pretty high though with 40 dBA. While I'd like to applaud NVIDIA for being brave enough to make their flagship a dual-slot card, I think the vast majority of the market would have been better served with a larger volume design similar to the RTX 4090. Not so sure bro @electrosoft will be happy with the FE temps. But this should be the cheapest 5090. The temps/noise will be quite high in a small mini ITX box. These temps is with the darkFlash DY470. Not Exactly a small form factor PC box. 1 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Papusan said: The vram temp will most likely be damn high in a baby sized pc chassis. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review - The New Flagship Review Graphics Cards NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is the fastest graphics card ever released. It comes with a whopping 32 GB VRAM, and support for multi-frame generation, which achieves hundreds of FPS easily. We also managed to disassemble the card, and our review includes performance testing without upscaling or frame generation, too. Hmmm... With Blackwell, NVIDIA has removed the "Hot Spot" sensor, you still have access to "GPU Temperature" and "Memory Temperature". While there was always some drama around Hot Spot, it was useful to diagnose a misaligned cooler or waterblock. For creators and AI, this capability is useful though, as it lets them run larger problems, but that also means that these people, with deep pockets, will snatch away cards from gamers. Yup, 32GB is mostly useful for AI (not for gamers) so a perfect card for creators with deep pockets. When will we see the flagship cards for 4K gamers? Aka 5080Ti with +20GB vram. FYI. If nvidia will make a 800W Titan card.... The cooler neeed to be much bigger. And that will destroy for those that want/need more than one Titan card in their PC. Hence better with 2x5090 FE (dual-slot form factor) if the need is there for AI computing. The card reached a maximum temperature of 77°C, which is cool enough. vram in the mid 90's. Noise levels are pretty high though with 40 dBA. While I'd like to applaud NVIDIA for being brave enough to make their flagship a dual-slot card, I think the vast majority of the market would have been better served with a larger volume design similar to the RTX 4090. Not so sure bro @electrosoft will be happy with the FE temps. But this should be the cheapest 5090. The temps/noise will be quite high in a small mini ITX box. These temps is with the darkFlash DY470. Not Exactly a small form factor PC box. It seems pretty loud, but the performance is there on average 35% faster than the 4090 and in some other reviews depending on game, up to 50% faster. It's a certified beast. I don't know if I can do 40dBA for a desktop card. That is approaching loud gaming laptop levels quickly. Even scarier it is 75% faster than a 7900xtx on average (but 100%+ more expensive). It is a flat out beast 4k card. ------ I was talking to the wife about tapping out because of cost (more like ranting). And she just looked at me incredulously and said: Her: "So you have no problems dropping 5k+ on vacations for us but balk at a 2.5k video card you will use for at least two years and most likely recoup most of the cost? Does that sum it up?" Me: "It's the principle" Her: "Uh huh" Me: "What does that mean?" Her: "Oh nothing...I just know I wouldn't take the odds of you NOT having this 5090 thing within a couple of months but I could be wrong." Me: "You're wrong" Her: "Right.....ok....sure. Can you hand me the ketchup?" 🤣 1 4 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I've had so many I can't keep them straight and sometimes my brain thinks one thing and my fingers type something difference. Those 5090 prices are WAY beyond reasonable. People paying prices like that help ruin everything for the people not willing to. Those prices are really $hi**y. We are talking K|NGP|N and Galax HOF prices for crappy, emasculated, mass-production gamer-grade trash. $1,000 more than they would be if NVIDIA wasn't deliberately screwing everyone. Somebody needs to get Jensen in a dark alley and just beat the snot out of him. It is too expensive for sure. I keep reading these comments on Reddit of people saying that 5090 Buyers are all nuts. And I keep stopping to think about it realistically. Maybe It’s not a good decision (I heard Jensen say it was a smart investment, and the more I buy, the more I save 😂). We’ll see how I feel when I actually add a 5090 to the cart and hit send. It’s a lot of money that’s for sure. But I’m gonna do it!! 😬 @win32asmguy I have a new revision 4090 Gaming OC with the updated/stronger PCIe slot, I will sell after I get a 5090. I only paid $1,350 for it all in. This card has really good memory on it as well if you are interested. 😃 Love my 4090 😊 13 hours ago, electrosoft said: I do that quite frequently lol. 🙂 @tps3443 Looking at the MSI markup, it is actually over a **200%** markup over the 4090 ($150->$500) for the Liquid 4090 on top of an already $400 price increase between the 4090 and 5090. Absolutely bonkers. They are so expensive! But the thought of opening a fresh 5090 after launch is exciting. I couldn’t afford a 4090 on launch day, or even a 3090 on launch day. Even though I ended up getting both later on. I want to be like you and others who grabs one at the start and keeps it a while and gets some good usage out of it for a few years. 2 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, tps3443 said: It is too expensive for sure. I keep reading these comments on Reddit of people saying that 5090 Buyers are all nuts. And I keep stopping to think about it realistically. Maybe It’s not a good decision (I heard Jensen say it was a smart investment, and the more I buy, the more I save 😂). We’ll see how I feel when I actually add a 5090 to the cart and hit send. It’s a lot of money that’s for sure. But I’m gonna do it!! 😬 @win32asmguy I have a new revision 4090 Gaming OC with the updated/stronger PCIe slot, I will sell after I get a 5090. I only paid $1,350 for it all in. This card has really good memory on it as well if you are interested. 😃 Love my 4090 😊 They are so expensive! But the thought of opening a fresh 5090 after launch is exciting. I couldn’t afford a 4090 on launch day, or even a 3090 on launch day. Even though I ended up getting both later on. I want to be like you and others who grabs one at the start and keeps it a while and gets some good usage out of it for a few years. That is true. Getting one early and riding it the entire cycle is the way to get the best value. Use it, ride it, sell it towards end cycle. Rinse/Repeat. It is just getting one that is going to be the problem at launch but they will eventually become available. They always do. You just have to be diligent. I lucked up and scored a 3090 FE less than a month after launch on BB. Hated it because it had the worst coil whine, even to this day, I have ever heard on a GPU. I didn't think coil whine could be that bad and sold it basically at cost to iunlock and then camped out for a KPE3090 which I scored in January. 4090 I ended up finally getting the model I wanted ~3months after launch from da egg and rode that for almost two years till selling it and recouping it all. ----- Looking forward to the AIB reviews tomorrow but the 5090 FE is quieter under load than the 4090 FE due to pitch. Hear the difference between the two and I used a 4090 FE before on my FO76 buddy's system before (ironically, he works at BB) and I didn't think it was that loud at all under load so that bodes well: Jay showing sound/pitch at both fixed to 65%: 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: I lucked up and scored a 3090 FE less than a month after launch on BB. Hated it because it had the worst coil whine, even to this day, I have ever heard on a GPU. Coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. But 8 is still less than 10😀 And Hilbert Hagedoorn is not the only reviewers that have seen the same. Pcgamers needed a replacment card due massive Coil whine. So play the FE lottery. You may win with some luck. If you can find the new FE card for sale. Coil whine The presence of coil squeal in any GeForce RTX 5000 graphics card can vary, depending on the degree of the issue. It becomes audible when reaching high framerates, but typically remains at a manageable level. Within an enclosed case, this sound is likely to blend into the background noise. In our experience with this specific card, the coil squeal has been very noticeable to us. So yes, the Founder edition RTX 5090 will make significant coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition (reference) guru3d.com "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, electrosoft said: It seems pretty loud, but the performance is there on average 35% faster than the 4090 and in some other reviews depending on game, up to 50% faster. It's a certified beast. I don't know if I can do 40dBA for a desktop card. That is approaching loud gaming laptop levels quickly. Even scarier it is 75% faster than a 7900xtx on average (but 100%+ more expensive). It is a flat out beast 4k card. ------ I was talking to the wife about tapping out because of cost (more like ranting). And she just looked at me incredulously and said: Her: "So you have no problems dropping 5k+ on vacations for us but balk at a 2.5k video card you will use for at least two years and most likely recoup most of the cost? Does that sum it up?" Me: "It's the principle" Her: "Uh huh" Me: "What does that mean?" Her: "Oh nothing...I just know I wouldn't take the odds of you NOT having this 5090 thing within a couple of months but I could be wrong." Me: "You're wrong" Her: "Right.....ok....sure. Can you hand me the ketchup?" 🤣 my wife wouldve said the exact same thing 😄 bless their hearts hahaha 4 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-25) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-25) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: my wife woulddve said the exact same thing 😄 bless their hearts hahaha My wife would be like "So, you want to spend $3000 on a GPU? What do you think I should buy with my half of the $6000?" 5 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Spot on.... From 27:50. Not what you should expect from next gen Gpus. This is the 4090Ti😁 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Papusan said: Coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. But 8 is still less than 10😀 And Hilbert Hagedoorn is not the only reviewers that have seen the same. Pcgamers needed a replacment card due massive Coil whine. So play the FE lottery. You may win with some luck. If you can find the new FE card for sale. Coil whine The presence of coil squeal in any GeForce RTX 5000 graphics card can vary, depending on the degree of the issue. It becomes audible when reaching high framerates, but typically remains at a manageable level. Within an enclosed case, this sound is likely to blend into the background noise. In our experience with this specific card, the coil squeal has been very noticeable to us. So yes, the Founder edition RTX 5090 will make significant coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition (reference) guru3d.com What's funny is reading this snippet of PCgamers review: "For me, I'd take that extra little bit of heat for the pleasure of its smaller footprint. What I will say, however, is that I did experience a lot of coil whine on our PC Gamer test rig. So much so, that Nvidia shipped me a second card to test if there was an issue with my original GPU. Having now tested in my home rig, with a 1600 W EVGA PSU, it seems like the issue arose because of how the Seasonic Prime TX 1600 W works with the RTX 5090, because in my PC the card doesn't have the same constantly pitching whine I experienced on our test rig." My 3090 FE was running on a Seasonic 1000w PSU (I eventually replaced with a Corsair 1200w that was recalled during their cold power issues) and subsequently also a 3070 FE running on that same Seasonic 1000w PSU and all were coil whine monsters. I sold off both and assumed it was Nvidia curse. The Seasonic is now in the wife's system w/ the 3080 Strix and if I don't cap the frames it is very noisy with coil whine but when I was testing it last year after a repaste in my main rig uncapped, the coil whine was almost non-existent on my EVGA 1600w 3090ti, 4090 and now this 4070 Super have been some of the quietest cards I've run and all have been running on this EVGA 1600w P2. Bud's 4090 FE is running on an EVGA 1300w P2 and it is quiet enough. Correlation is not causation and this is anecdotal at best, but a fun observation. If I do manage to score an FE, it will be interesting to see how it sounds on the EVGA 1600w P2 then maybe slap it into the wife's system just to see if the coil whine ramps up. 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: my wife woulddve said the exact same thing 😄 bless their hearts hahaha 21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: My wife would be like "So, you want to spend $3000 on a GPU? What do you think I should buy with my half of the $6000?" Seems like we all won the lottery. 🙂 @tps3443 What does your wife say when you order all these toys? 🤣 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, Papusan said: Spot on.... From 27:50 I honestly do not believe NVIDIA cares if anything less than 5090 is popular or sells well as long as they can't keep any 5090 FE cards in stock. I think they stopped caring what performance enthusiasts and gamers want a few years ago, and until AMD or Intel can launch an assault that threatens their flagship model they don't care about anything else except for maximizing profit on their most expensive product that they have shrewdly made the only product too many people want by simply dumbing down everything else. 1 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I honestly do not believe NVIDIA cares if anything less than 5090 is popular or sells well as long as they can't keep any 5090 FE cards in stock. I think they stopped caring what performance enthusiasts and gamers want a few years ago, and until AMD or Intel can launch an assault that threatens their flagship model they don't care about anything else except for maximizing profit on their most expensive product that they have shrewdly made the only product too many people want by simply dumbing down everything else. What was the main reason Nvidia went with a lower memory Bus of 384bit and not 512 bit for the 4090? Because of the choice of GDR6X ? Or the complexity aka it would increase the cost of the board? They cut down on the mem bus for the cheaper 4000 series SKUs. To cut costs. Edit. Nvidia could continue with 24GB vram for 5090 but that would destroy profits margins and make it less appealing for creators that want the cards for AI workflow. 24GB would have been enough for 4K gamers. 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win32asmguy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, tps3443 said: @win32asmguy I have a new revision 4090 Gaming OC with the updated/stronger PCIe slot, I will sell after I get a 5090. I only paid $1,350 for it all in. This card has really good memory on it as well if you are interested. 😃 That sounds great! Is it pretty easy to unplug the RGB on that card so it is not active and does not need any control software? Does Gigabyte have issues with providing warranty to second owners? I was reading some reviews and it sounds like the 5090 does not offer much benefit over the 4090 at 1440p. I am pretty happy with my current display other than the fact that its built in KVM / USB hub is junk. 1 2 1 Desktop - Xeon W7-2495X, 64GB DDR5-6400 C32 ECC, 800GB Optane P5800X, MSI RTX 4080 Super Ventus 3X OC, Corsair HX1500i, Fractal Define 7 XL, Asus W790E-SAGE SE, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Clevo PE60SNE - 14900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 CL40, 4TB WD SN850X, RTX 4070 mobile, 16.0 inch FHD+ 165hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, win32asmguy said: That sounds great! Is it pretty easy to unplug the RGB on that card so it is not active and does not need any control software? Does Gigabyte have issues with providing warranty to second owners? I was reading some reviews and it sounds like the 5090 does not offer much benefit over the 4090 at 1440p. I am pretty happy with my current display other than the fact that its built in KVM / USB hub is junk. spot on! with the 5090 the choice of display / resolution is more important than ever. even with the 9800X3D its BOTTLENECKED TO KINGDOM COME at 1440p. so it really only makes sense at 4K+ with RT enabled. happy with ur current 1080p / 1440p display? go get urself a faster CPU or an even better 4K display, ignore the 5090, easy as that 🙂 2 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-25) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-25) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 57 minutes ago, win32asmguy said: That sounds great! Is it pretty easy to unplug the RGB on that card so it is not active and does not need any control software? Does Gigabyte have issues with providing warranty to second owners? I was reading some reviews and it sounds like the 5090 does not offer much benefit over the 4090 at 1440p. I am pretty happy with my current display other than the fact that its built in KVM / USB hub is junk. Definitely true. I only game at 4k, but I can see where if 1440p is your chosen resolution a 4090 is more than enough especially if you're not interested in super super high refresh rates. 44 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: spot on! with the 5090 the choice of display / resolution is more important than ever. even with the 9800X3D its BOTTLENECKED TO KINGDOM COME at 1440p. so it really only makes sense at 4K+ with RT enabled. happy with ur current 1080p / 1440p display? go get urself a faster CPU or an even better 4K display, ignore the 5090, easy as that 🙂 The problem was we couldn't see the true extent of the bottleneck 1440p with the 9800X3D and 4090 till tested against the 5090 only to realize even the 9800X3D was gasping for air at 1440p all along! Even some 4k results with the 5090 have the 9800X3D tapped out but that was to be expected as there were already a few instances of the 9800X3D hitting a wall at 4k with the 4090. Intel? AMD? Get your act together..... 1 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, win32asmguy said: That sounds great! Is it pretty easy to unplug the RGB on that card so it is not active and does not need any control software? Does Gigabyte have issues with providing warranty to second owners? I was reading some reviews and it sounds like the 5090 does not offer much benefit over the 4090 at 1440p. I am pretty happy with my current display other than the fact that its built in KVM / USB hub is junk. The original owner is gtz who is a very common member on overclock.net. He told me he would help with RMA in the event if something ever happened down the road, I have his phone number so we could work that out for sure. I do have the original receipt that was included. I think RMA has to be done by the original owner with Gigabyte, which is why he happily offered lifetime assistance with the card in the event it ever died or something. But then again, I have read on Reddit that is not the case and people say they have RMA'd 2nd hand video cards with no problem. I'd have to pull the GPU to check and see if the RGB unplugs easily or not. I think it does but I cannot see that side of the GPU at the moment, RGB is only on when the fans spin so it’s pretty minimal RGB overall. The original 4090 Gaming OC's had a weak PCIe tail hook that would crack because it was so long, essentially dooming them to fail sooner or later. This model has a thicker and shorter PCIe tail hook so it won't break or crack over time. @Mr. Fox has one of the newer ones as well. Oh, and this card has never been taken apart by me or the previous owner. The temps achieved by this monstrous air coolers are ridiculous. 3 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, tps3443 said: This model has a thicker and shorter PCIe tail hook so it won't break or crack over time. @Mr. Fox has one of the newer ones as well. Yes, it is made like a "normal" GPU now, not Gigabyte's previously flawed/weak design that was easier than normal to break. 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 sooo basically, what it boils down to me to is this: - i already got the budget, so might as well try to get my hands on one - 4090 pricing will be nice n stable for a while with such a huge gap between 5090 and 5080, so ill get a good chunk of my money back - in many games im interested in, the 5090 pushes the FPS "just over the edge" into playable territory without having to use excessive upscaling (want to avoid that as much as possible, DLSS quality worst case, no FG for me) - highly interested in the 50-100% uplift for transcoding videos, thatll give me a tangible increase in every-day productivity for typical workloads of mine 🙂 all in all, im WAY more hesitant to pull the trigger on the 5090 than i was with the 4090 (ofc that has smth to do with the fact i was coming from a 980M and not a 4090 LOL). and although im likely going ahead with the purchase, im much more relaxed if i dont get one right at launch day tbh. 2 1 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-25) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-25) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 45 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: sooo basically, what it boils down to me to is this: - i already got the budget, so might as well try to get my hands on one - 4090 pricing will be nice n stable for a while with such a huge gap between 5090 and 5080, so ill get a good chunk of my money back - in many games im interested in, the 5090 pushes the FPS "just over the edge" into playable territory without having to use excessive upscaling (want to avoid that as much as possible, DLSS quality worst case, no FG for me) - highly interested in the 50-100% uplift for transcoding videos, thatll give me a tangible increase in every-day productivity for typical workloads of mine 🙂 all in all, im WAY more hesitant to pull the trigger on the 5090 than i was with the 4090 (ofc that has smth to do with the fact i was coming from a 980M and not a 4090 LOL). and although im likely going ahead with the purchase, im much more relaxed if i dont get one right at launch day tbh. 1. True, I have the means. 2. Jettisoned my 4090 and got it all back 3. WoW and FO can always use more FPS, especially lows above 100fps. I'd like to lock 144fps everywhere high and low. That's the end game for me. 4. It's a pure luxury item for me, but I want to continue to dabble more in LLMs and AI. 4090 was such an ad hoc generational leap it was insane and only $100USD more. 5090 is a much harder sell: much less leap; much more price. This is really a referendum on AI, DLSS4 and FG than anything. 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 @Mr. Fox The trend form over functionality continue... Nice. Exactly what the minibox lovers want. Bryan also found out that he need take of the side panels on his mini-trash box while using the 5090. It seems this is the only fix for hot running hardware. Fantastic. PCIe 5 Problems This leads to a fundamental debate about prioritizing design over function. While attractive looks and innovative form factors are important, form follows function should be the top priority. In technical terms, this means that the hardware must be designed to deliver optimal performance under real-world operating conditions before aesthetic considerations are taken into account And some updates ... Cyberpunk 2077 2.21 patch adds DLSS 4 support days before RTX 50 series debut Nice. Less is the new more. But will it be fixed? I mean for 4000 series cards. 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Papusan said: @Mr. Fox The trend form over functionality continue... Nice. Exactly what the minibox lovers want. Bryan also found out that he need take of the side panels on his mini-trash box while using the 5090. It seems this is the only fix for hot running hardware. Fantastic. PCIe 5 Problems This leads to a fundamental debate about prioritizing design over function. While attractive looks and innovative form factors are important, form follows function should be the top priority. In technical terms, this means that the hardware must be designed to deliver optimal performance under real-world operating conditions before aesthetic considerations are taken into account And some updates ... Cyberpunk 2077 2.21 patch adds DLSS 4 support days before RTX 50 series debut Nice. Less is the new more. But will it be fixed? I mean for 4000 series cards. 5090 is screaming for a FormD T1 type case with the GPU mounted at the top and inverted to exhaust out the top of the case. Coupled with a 9800X3D with air cooling low profile style and both tuned with a perfect undervolt and that would be a wrecker of a portable system. I'll be curious to see what optimum does with his for a sff build since his build out with a 4090 is absolutely insanity in size, performance, cooling and noise. 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: 5090 is screaming for a FormD T1 type case with the GPU mounted at the top and inverted to exhaust out the top of the case. Coupled with a 9800X3D with air cooling low profile style and both tuned with a perfect undervolt and that would be a wrecker of a portable system. Hope the manufacturers are able to fix the PCIe 5 problems. Not fun with a raiser cable lottery. You could of course use the iGPU for the boot process because there is no space for a second GPU in mini-boxes😁 10:10 - PCIe Risers MUST be Taken into Account... And if you prefer weak cpu air-coolers Cooling the GeForce RTX 5090 FE: 575 watts and double-flow-through make CPUs sweat "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Asus want 800$ Premium over MSRP https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral/44.html 4 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, Papusan said: Asus want 800$ Premium over MSRP https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral/44.html My response is: wish in one hand, poop in another... see which one gets full first. The problem is there are way too many sheeple that will pay the extra $800 A$$zeus fanboy tax as though it was normal and OK. They wouldn't be raping people with asinine prices if they didn't voluntarily drop their drawers. Seems many others posting in the thread feel the same. No. Just... No A$$zeus. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral-oc.331516/page-2 1 2 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X670E Gene | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: My response is: wish in one hand, poop in another... see which one gets full first. The problem is there are way too many sheeple that will pay the extra $800 A$$zeus fanboy tax as though it was normal and OK. They wouldn't be raping people with asinine prices if they didn't voluntarily drop their drawers. Seems many others posting in the thread feel the same. No. Just... No A$$zeus. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral-oc.331516/page-2 And then we have the scalpers..... But you won't get any warranty. Just double the price for nothing. Every major GPU launch faces scalping issues. NVIDIA, the largest GPU manufacturer in the world, has not done much to address this problem. And creators.... They will happy pay extra if that's needed to get the cards. Scalpers already charging double with no refunds for GeForce RTX 5090 New modern tech will increase the prices.... This modern way is stupid for us that often swap out cards several times. Changes to help modern people doesn't always mean smart. Asus' Q-Release Slim feature is reportedly damaging some GPU PCIe connectors Affects 800-series Intel and AMD motherboards. The release button for the GPU PCIe slot for the Z690 boards was more than good enough. This new innovation from Asus was totally unnecessary. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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