*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

This is a cool open bench other than the undesirable vertical motherboard positioning. (Horizontal whenver possible is always better, but it is still kind of neat product in terms of construction.)

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So, if the marketing email I received from MSI and the specs published on their web store is accurate, the 5080 GDDR7 speed will be faster than the 5090 GDDR7 memory speed. And, what's the deal with the silly "SOC" name they are tacking onto the end of some 5080 and 5090 SKU names? Is that just more stupid AI mumbo-jumbo to get people excited about something that doesn't matter and doesn't make it any better? Or, is there something about "SOC" that should actually matter to people that don't give a rat's butt about AI? Are they hijacking the traditional use of the acronym "SOC" to mean something different in MSI lingo? Not all of them are tagged SOC. If it actually is "System on a Chip" then why are only select SKUs labeled SOC?

 

I haven't read or heard anything that suggests what MSI's use of SOC even means, so I asked here:
 

Questions on MSI 50-Series (Blackwell) GPU Product Stack

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not all of them are tagged SOC. If it actually is "System on a Chip" then why are only select SKUs labeled SOC?

 

I haven't read or heard anything that suggests what MSI's use of SOC even means, so I asked here:
 

Questions on MSI 50-Series (Blackwell) GPU Product Stack

 

The closest I can come... SUPER OC'd. I mean modern PC user don't know what system-on-chip mean. S =  Super expensive.

 

Edit. the OC and SOC (super overclock)

 

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

As predicted, Nvidia's pricing was a shock to AMD's system.

 

Initial pricing was to be ~$899 for the 9070XT which is INSANE but it looks like they were trying to keep the launch pricing of the 7900XT. They also were going to go for $749 for the non XT even.

 

If I had to guess, I think they thought Nvidia was going to come in $100 higher (or caught wind it might) on the 5070ti vs $50 lower. I honestly don't know what they were thinking with the $749 on the non XT.

 

Someone needs to drag AMD into an alleyway, put them up on the wall and say, "This ain't yer CPU division bub....you ain't Nvidia! Fix your $&*%!"

 

Do you trust this man? 

 

Frank.... Please...

[tps3443]

I hope I can snag a 5090. I was considering renting a bot lol. 
 

RTX 5090 day is almost here!!! Good luck everyone! 
 

Which model is everyone going to go for again? 
 

Part of me wants to focus on the 5090 FE at Bestbuy, then the other part wants me to lock in on Newegg, and get an AIB SUPRIM SOC or SOC Liquid. 

[Mr. Fox]

22 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The closest I can come... SUPER OC'd. I mean modern PC user don't know what system-on-chip mean. S =  Super expensive.

 

Edit. the OC and SOC (super overclock)

 

 

Do you trust this man? 

 

Frank.... Please...

I thought of that too. That would not be a smart naming idea from MSI, but I digress. Smart doesn't seem to fit anything in technology space. So, if they release any "Super" GPUs on the refresh MSI would have to call them Super Super OC, LOL. SOC even sounds hokie. Probably not enough of an overclock for them to tag it XOC.

 

No, we cannot trust the leaker or Franky. But, I would bet on the leaker if I were forced to choose.  So, if the 9070 XT is going to be falling into the 4070 Ti/4080 performance range it really needs to come in closer to $600 and the 9070 like around $500. Even if it were to match 4080 performance there would still be the missing features and comparatively weak ray tracing performance. Maybe it will help drive down the prices of 3090 Ti, 3090 and 3080 back to realistic values. What those cards are typically still selling for is just totally absurd. $2500 for a 5090 is retarded, but not more idiotic than $1500 for 3090, 3090 Ti and 4080. Ludicrous. That will make 9070 XT attractive if it is priced under $700. Maybe buy two of them for the price of one RTX competitor. 

 

Grab some popcorn. The next 45 to 60 days is going to be pretty entertaining.

21 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I hope I can snag a 5090. I was considering renting a bot lol. 
 

RTX 5090 day is almost here!!! Good luck everyone! 
 

Which model is everyone going to go for again? 
 

Part of me wants to focus on the 5090 FE at Bestbuy, then the other part wants me to lock in on Newegg, and get an AIB SUPRIM SOC or SOC Liquid. 

I think I'm good for this GPU generation. I'm hoping I can get lucky and snag another certified refurbished EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 for $700 (paid $800 for this one from NewEgg) so I can revisit the SLI fun from the good old days. It would be interesting to see how 4090 and 5090 fare against 3090 Ti SLI.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The closest I can come... SUPER OC'd. I mean modern PC user don't know what system-on-chip mean. S =  Super expensive.

 

Edit. the OC and SOC (super overclock)

 

 

Do you trust this man? 

 

Frank.... Please...

 

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, we cannot trust the leaker or Franky. But, I would bet on the leaker if I were forced to choose.  So, if the 9070 XT is going to be falling into the 4070 Ti/4080 performance range it really needs to come in closer to $600 and the 9070 like around $500. Even if it were to match 4080 performance there would still be the missing features and comparatively weak ray tracing performance. Maybe it will help drive down the prices of 3090 Ti, 3090 and 3080 back to realistic values. What those cards are typically still selling for is just totally absurd. $2500 for a 5090 is retarded, but not more idiotic than $1500 for 3090, 3090 Ti and 4080. Ludicrous. That will make 9070 XT attractive if it is priced under $700. Maybe two of them for the price of one RTX competitor. 

 

Grab some popcorn. The next 45 to 60 days is going to be pretty entertaining.

I think I'm good this time. I'm hoping I can get lucky and snag another certified refurbished EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 for $700 (paid $800 for this one from NewEgg) so I can revisit the SLI fun from the good old days. It would be interesting to see how 4090 and 5090 fare against 3090 Ti SLI.

 

Considering it wasn't a leaker but an actual retailer who has 9070/xt's on hand (and in the picture) discussing they were supposed to launch last week but have been delayed now after Nvidia's announcement, I know who I trust and it isn't Azor.

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I hope I can snag a 5090. I was considering renting a bot lol. 
 

RTX 5090 day is almost here!!! Good luck everyone! 
 

Which model is everyone going to go for again? 
 

Part of me wants to focus on the 5090 FE at Bestbuy, then the other part wants me to lock in on Newegg, and get an AIB SUPRIM SOC or SOC Liquid. 

 

lol, you sound like a kid visiting Disney for the first time. 🙂 I like it!

 

I'm indifferent and that is an odd place for me to be mentally. I finally realize why.

 

I feel EXACTLY how I felt when the 2080ti was announced at those prices and when I rocked an AMD 5700xt for almost two years till I picked up a 3090.

 

If I can shake this general disgust at the market and pointedly Nvidia, my order remains the same:

 

#1. Suprim Air

#2. Suprim AIO

#3. FE

#4. Astral (heh, right)

 

I had the opportunity on launch day for the 4000 series to snag a Gigabyte and a lesser MSI but passed because for these prices, I'm not settling.

 

Between the four models, I will snag whichever presents itself first on launch day if I pick one up or I will just opt to pass and not even look. When I say I'm on the fence, I'm on the fence.

 

I'm also hoping for another substantial price drop on the 7900xtx's once the 5080's drop too so that's in play also. They've already come down 10-20% already.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I thought of that too. That would not be a smart naming idea from MSI, but I digress. Smart doesn't seem to fit anything in technology space. So, if they release any "Super" GPUs on the refresh MSI would have to call them Super Super OC, LOL. SOC even sounds hoakie. Probably not enough of an overclock for them to tag is XOC.

 

No, we cannot trust the leaker or Franky. But, I would bet on the leaker if I were forced to choose.  So, if the 9070 XT is going to be falling into the 4070 Ti/4080 performance range it really needs to come in closer to $600 and the 9070 like around $500. Even if it were to match 4080 performance there would still be the missing features and comparatively weak ray tracing performance. Maybe it will help drive down the prices of 3090 Ti, 3090 and 3080 back to realistic values. What those cards are typically still selling for is just totally absurd. $2500 for a 5090 is retarded, but not more idiotic than $1500 for 3090, 3090 Ti and 4080. Ludicrous. That will make 9070 XT attractive if it is priced under $700. Maybe two of them for the price of one RTX competitor. 

 

Grab some popcorn. The next 45 to 60 days is going to be pretty entertaining.

I think I'm good for this GPU generation. I'm hoping I can get lucky and snag another certified refurbished EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 for $700 (paid $800 for this one from NewEgg) so I can revisit the SLI fun from the good old days. It would be interesting to see how 4090 and 5090 fare against 3090 Ti SLI.

3090ti SLI would be fun (Lots of power) I think I saw the rtx5090 was still faster than (2) XOC LN2 cooled 3090Ti’s. So that’s pretty good at least. 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Considering it wasn't a leaker but an actual retailer who has 9070/xt's on hand (and in the picture) discussing they were supposed to launch last week but have been delayed now after Nvidia's announcement, I know who I trust and it isn't Azor.

 

 

 

lol, you sound like a kid visiting Disney for the first time. 🙂 I like it!

 

I'm indifferent and that is an odd place for me to be mentally. I finally realize why.

 

I feel EXACTLY how I felt when the 2080ti was announced at those prices and when I rocked an AMD 5700xt for almost two years till I picked up a 3090.

 

If I can shake this general disgust at the market and pointedly Nvidia, my order remains the same:

 

#1. Suprim Air

#2. Suprim AIO

#3. FE

#4. Astral (heh, right)

 

I had the opportunity on launch day for the 4000 series to snag a Gigabyte and a lesser MSI but passed because for these prices, I'm not settling.

 

Between the four models, I will snag whichever presents itself first on launch day if I pick one up or I will just opt to pass and not even look. When I say I'm on the fence, I'm on the fence.

 

I'm also hoping for another substantial price drop on the 7900xtx's once the 5080's drop too so that's in play also. They've already come down 10-20% already.

 

 

 

Yeah I’m excited. I just hope I can get one. The 30th at 9am is literally dragging. I’m probably going to go for the same models as you. But if I see a Gigabyte Waterforce Extreme WB 5090 I’m getting that for sure. 

[tps3443]

I want this one these are only $2,549.99! It’s only 230mm long or 9.2” And it already has a water-block ready to go! 
 

I feel like less people will be after this one since it has a block. And it’ll increase my chances some. These are always impossible to find after launch it seems. It’s almost like Aorus only makes a few thousand and that’s it. 

 

[Papusan]

Not sure several Y-cruncher runs the last days and close to 500W is so healthy for the non delidded chips. But very fun see the results improve. Remember all the dead ones after running stock clocks with the stupid thermal velocity boost. And mine is still alive😀

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5769243_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_14900ks_14_sec_115_ms?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

So, if (IF) it actually sells for $1200~ for non-FE options it looks like the 5080 is the only financially intelligent choice this time around. Even if it did not soundly beat the 4080S (which it does) the price would make it better than the 4080S or even the 4090 based on the minuscule performance benefit of the 4090 over 5080. $1000 less for almost as much. The gap in performance between 5080, 4080S and 4090 is too small for spending more to make any sense. But, if the price of leftover 4080S stock (if there is any) falls to less than 5080 then 4080S will make more sense. And, 7900 XTX won't make any sense unless it drops to the neighborhood of $600-$650.

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, if (IF) it actually sells for $1200~ for non-FE options it looks like the 5080 is the only financially intelligent choice this time around. Even if it did not soundly beat the 4080S (which it does) the price would make it better than the 4080S or even the 4090 based on the minuscule performance benefit of the 4090 over 5080. $1000 less for almost as much.

 

 

Without new features as DLSS Multi Frame Generation, the 5000 series would be almost deal on arrival.... The new and shiny 5080 is xx80 with the least performance improvement in history. Even the GeForce GTX 580 has made a bigger step forward compared to the GTX 480 despite having a virtually identical GPU. 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition review: Incremental gains over the previous generation

 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 review: Betting the future on ‘fake frames’

 

This one's gonna be controversial....

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 in the big DLSS 4.0 test – Is Multi Frame Generation a real performance booster or just a distortion of reality?

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Without new features as DLSS Multi Frame Generation, the 5000 series would be almost deal on arrival....

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition review: Incremental gains over the previous generation

 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 review: Betting the future on ‘fake frames’

 

This one's gonna be controversial....

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 in the big DLSS 4.0 test – Is Multi Frame Generation a real performance booster or just a distortion of reality?

Fakeness is the driving force being everything AI. Perception versus reality. Key word: artificial.

 

Fake does not necessarily mean bad, but fake is bad when you don't know the difference due to deception.

 

Welcome to The Matrix.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Fakeness is the driving force being everything AI.

 

The raw performance uplift over previous gen ain't fake... Just disgusting. 

 

NVIDIA RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER according to first review

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, if (IF) it actually sells for $1200~ for non-FE options it looks like the 5080 is the only financially intelligent choice this time around. Even if it did not soundly beat the 4080S (which it does) the price would make it better than the 4080S or even the 4090 based on the minuscule performance benefit of the 4090 over 5080. $1000 less for almost as much. The gap in performance between 5080, 4080S and 4090 is too small for spending more to make any sense. But, if the price of leftover 4080S stock (if there is any) falls to less than 5080 then 4080S will make more sense. And, 7900 XTX won't make any sense unless it drops to the neighborhood of $600-$650.

 

That 5080 is looking great! The one thing I don’t like is 16GB vram just isn’t enough. 4K Cyberpunk 2077 with Path tracing on, or Starwars Outlaws slammed the 4080 Super for me. I feel like they are having to tweak it to make it smooth and fit inside something, and that worries me for future games.
 

The first time in history where our next gen xx80 class card isn’t faster than the prior gen xx90 class card! Being completely honest, the 4080 beats a stock 3090 pretty good. 4080 Super even beat out my XOC Water-Chilled 3090KP by decent margins in rasterization. And with implementation of Frame Gen it was smoking it in 4K smoothness. 
 

I personally would rather have a 4090 over a 5080. My 4090 isn’t a crazy overclocker as most of you know core wise, I have rebar disabled on my current bios, and my Port Royal score is still higher than his apparent “Max OC 4090 results”. So, it almost feels like he’s comparing a gem to a dud. 
 

The 5080 for $999 isn’t bad. But I almost feel like the 4090 would be better if we fast forward 4-5 years to future games. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, if (IF) it actually sells for $1200~ for non-FE options it looks like the 5080 is the only financially intelligent choice this time around. Even if it did not soundly beat the 4080S (which it does) the price would make it better than the 4080S or even the 4090 based on the minuscule performance benefit of the 4090 over 5080. $1000 less for almost as much. The gap in performance between 5080, 4080S and 4090 is too small for spending more to make any sense. But, if the price of leftover 4080S stock (if there is any) falls to less than 5080 then 4080S will make more sense. And, 7900 XTX won't make any sense unless it drops to the neighborhood of $600-$650.

 

 

lol, that's what I've been trying to say in previous posts. You're getting a better card for the same price even in the face of inflation. This goes across the entire Nvidia 5000 stack EXCEPT the 5090. In every segment so far from the 5070 to the 5080, you are getting more bang for your buck at either the same price or a lower price even.

 

7900XTX needs to drop to ~$799.99 to be properly competitive but I suspect $849.99 will be the new norm. 15% less and still a banger of a raster card.

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Without new features as DLSS Multi Frame Generation, the 5000 series would be almost deal on arrival.... The new and shiny 5080 is xx80 with the least performance improvement in history. Even the GeForce GTX 580 has made a bigger step forward compared to the GTX 480 despite having a virtually identical GPU. 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition review: Incremental gains over the previous generation

 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 review: Betting the future on ‘fake frames’

 

This one's gonna be controversial....

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 in the big DLSS 4.0 test – Is Multi Frame Generation a real performance booster or just a distortion of reality?

 

 

 

OR look at it like another Super refresh (Super TI?) that provides a marginal uplift, access to new technologies for the same or lesser price. It just slots in just like the Supers did. Those who are calling this generation the 40X0 Super TI refresh aren't wrong.

 

Also the OC room and overall performance uplift is looking really good looking at Jufus's numbers. +25% on Firestrike? +18% on Timespy MaxOC vs MaxOC vs 4080?

 

Within 1% of the 4090 on Firestrike? Only 11% slower than the 4090 MaxOC vs MaxOC on Timespy? For $999?

 

Yeah.....

 

7900XTX needs to get real with itself real fast.

 

41 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That 5080 is looking great! The one thing I don’t like is 16GB vram just isn’t enough. 4K Cyberpunk 2077 with Path tracing on, or Starwars Outlaws slammed the 4080 Super for me. I feel like they are having to tweak it to make it smooth and fit inside something, and that worries me for future games.
 

The first time in history where our next gen xx80 class card isn’t faster than the prior gen xx90 class card! Being completely honest, the 4080 beats a stock 3090 pretty good. 4080 Super even beat out my XOC Water-Chilled 3090KP by decent margins in rasterization. And with implementation of Frame Gen it was smoking it in 4K smoothness. 
 

I personally would rather have a 4090 over a 5080. My 4090 isn’t a crazy overclocker as most of you know core wise, I have rebar disabled on my current bios, and my Port Royal score is still higher than his apparent “Max OC 4090 results”. So, it almost feels like he’s comparing a gem to a dud. 
 

The 5080 for $999 isn’t bad. But I almost feel like the 4090 would be better if we fast forward 4-5 years to future games. 

 

 

Jufes hitting 3300mhz is pretty righteous and hopefully bodes well for other 5080's.

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

I've been keeping an eye on the Microcenter lines, I'm off but I'm not going over there 2 days early to line up. Those people at my local MC are already 15 or more deep at this point. That is wild and I'm not doing that. I'll head over the in the morning and try and get a card, but honestly I'm not even sure that is worth it. It sounds like the 5090 is pretty limited, and everyone in line is gunning for 5090. This might be the first time in a long time I don't get a card on or around launch day. That is fine, I'm more than happy running this 4070 Super until I can get either an Astral, TUF or FE, possibly a SuprimX. 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Talon said:

I've been keeping an eye on the Microcenter lines, I'm off but I'm not going over there 2 days early to line up. Those people at my local MC are already 15 or more deep at this point. That is wild and I'm not doing that. I'll head over the in the morning and try and get a card, but honestly I'm not even sure that is worth it. It sounds like the 5090 is pretty limited, and everyone in line is gunning for 5090. This might be the first time in a long time I don't get a card on or around launch day. That is fine, I'm more than happy running this 4070 Super until I can get either an Astral, TUF or FE, possibly a SuprimX. 

We are living in strange days, aren't we? Unprecendented obscene and absurd prices flanked by general disappointment with rather lackluster products. Lackluster is a lot more tolerable when you're not getting financially ransacked and shanked in the wallet. And, it's all of them in the mix, not just one shameless brand financially exploiting their popularity. Almost everything new is a poor value now and only worth about half the going price.

[Talon]

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots. 

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, Talon said:

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots. 

Sign me up to get screwed, LOL. Let me stand in line and wait for my abusers to have their way with me, please. 

How 'bout no.

Hopefully none of those too far back in line to get what they want will have a come-undone and do something even more crazy than camping in line for overpriced products. The sense of entitlement is scary strong in some of the mentally under-developed and emotionally defective members of society.

 

Edit: Excluding those with the A$$zeus ROG tax applied, looks like the AIB 5080 pricing is ~$1200. Not great, but also not totally unexpected. Paying twice as much for 5090 with such a small difference in results will be hard to rationalize as prudent. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

 

  

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 5080 for $999 isn’t bad. But I almost feel like the 4090 would be better if we fast forward 4-5 years to future games. 

I doubt that will be a big problem. Game developers are not going to release games that only run well on $2000+ video cards. There wouldn't be enough game-buying customers to stay in business. It is very rare to see games that don't function at an acceptable level with GPUs that are 5+ generations old, or even older. The 1080 (circa 2016) still does a respectable job at playing most games well with decent quality settings below 4K. Most of the people buying games have older hardware and play at 1080p or 1440p. A ton of them are still using even weaker slightly newer products like RX 580 and GTX 1660 Super.

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sign me up to get screwed, LOL. Let me stand in line and wait for my abusers to have their way with me, please. 

How 'bout no.

Hopefully none of those too far back in line to get what they want will have a come-undone and do something even more crazy than camping in line for overpriced products. The sense of entitlement is scary strong in some of the mentally under-developed and emotionally defective members of society.

 

Edit: Excluding those with the A$$zeus ROG tax applied, looks like the AIB 5080 pricing is ~$1200. Not great, but also not totally unexpected. Paying twice as much for 5090 with such a small difference in results will be hard to rationalize as prudent. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

 

  

I doubt that will be a big problem. Game developers are not going to release games that only run well on $2000+ video cards. There wouldn't be enough game-buying customers to stay in business. It is very rare to see games that don't function at an acceptable level with GPUs that are 5+ generations old, or even older. The 1080 (circa 2016) still does a respectable job at playing most games well with decent quality settings below 4K. Most of the people buying games have older hardware and play at 1080p or 1440p. A ton of them are still using even weaker slightly newer products like RX 580 and GTX 1660 Super.

 

What I mean is, the 16GB limit already has issues at 4K right now in titles. 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots. 

The bots really aren’t all that fast. They are quick at adding to cart. But human intervention is still required on Newegg using the Newegg Bot. So you can match their speed for sure. Especially if these are scalpers looking to just re-sale, who are running bots on super slow PC lol. 

[jaybee83]

9 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What I mean is, the 16GB limit already has issues at 4K right now in titles. 

 

tru dat, 16 GB can be considered the minimum if you dont (yet) want to worry about any gaming titles whatsoever. and yes, in some extreme scenarios were already breaching that. anything below 16 GB will get worse with more and more titles demanding more than that.

 

btw, real life meme of a dude camping out 😄:

 

[electrosoft]

59 minutes ago, Talon said:

I've been keeping an eye on the Microcenter lines, I'm off but I'm not going over there 2 days early to line up. Those people at my local MC are already 15 or more deep at this point. That is wild and I'm not doing that. I'll head over the in the morning and try and get a card, but honestly I'm not even sure that is worth it. It sounds like the 5090 is pretty limited, and everyone in line is gunning for 5090. This might be the first time in a long time I don't get a card on or around launch day. That is fine, I'm more than happy running this 4070 Super until I can get either an Astral, TUF or FE, possibly a SuprimX. 

 

I think the lack of availability but a high level of apathy coming off of the 4000 series coupled with a major price hike does have some rather indifferent (myself included).

 

When tomorrow rolls around, I don't know what I'll pull the trigger on if anything. All I know is if nothing in the 5090 presents itself, there are other or no options.

 

Like you, I'm thinking of holding onto my 4070 Super for a few reasons:

 

The wife's 3080 Strix is officially out of warranty and has had a lot of gameplay on it for 3.5 years straight. Might be time to sell it and move on. This 4070 Super is a great clocker, runs quiet, sips power in comparison and zero coil whine. I also have zero desire to limp along with zero GPU and on my NH55 while I wait for something to say, "This is it!"

 

5090 is obviously in play

5080 suddenly is in play

Relaxing with my 4070 Super while I let my choice organically manifest is in play

A heavily discounted 7900xtx is in play

A discounted 4080 Super is in play

9070XT still has an outside chance of being in play

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What I mean is, the 16GB limit already has issues at 4K right now in titles. 

I agree with you 100%, but I don't think we will see lots of games that cater to owners of $2000+ GPUs with 16GB+ VRAM and 4K high refreshrate displays because we that have those things are not the norm. We are in the minority and that would limit game sales to a great degree. Game devs will make games that can be run in a satisfying manner on much weaker hardware for a long time because making money is the most important thing. Minimum and recommended system requirements will not likely require 16GB+ of VRAM because it would exclude too many customers.

 

The other thing to consider is there is often very little visual difference discernable between medium and high or high and ultra settings in most games. So, while you might tap out the VRAM with all of the settings cranked to the max, toning down the settings a bit to fit within the VRAM capacity might have almost no distiguishable difference visually. Sometimes the only remarkable difference in the experience is a reduction in FPS. This is something those of us that can do will do, but not something anyone actually "needs" to do.

 

As sad as I am to have to admit it, overclockers are even more of a niche minority than self-proclaimed "hardcore gamers" (whatever that means) and what overclockers want matters even less to game developers and hardware manufacturers. At the end of the day they don't care about what anyone wants, they just want to make lots of money selling us what they want us to have. The prevalence of 4-DIMM trash motherboards and near-absence of 2-DIMM boards is evidence that they don't really care about what is best or most desired by those who know what works best.

[win32asmguy]

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I think the lack of availability but a high level of apathy coming off of the 4000 series coupled with a major price hike does have some rather indifferent (myself included).

 

When tomorrow rolls around, I don't know what I'll pull the trigger on if anything. All I know is if nothing in the 5090 presents itself, there are other or no options.

 

Like you, I'm thinking of holding onto my 4070 Super for a few reasons:

 

The wife's 3080 Strix is officially out of warranty and has had a lot of gameplay on it for 3.5 years straight. Might be time to sell it and move on. This 4070 Super is a great clocker, runs quiet, sips power in comparison and zero coil whine. I also have zero desire to limp along with zero GPU and on my NH55 while I wait for something to say, "This is it!"

 

5090 is obviously in play

5080 suddenly is in play

Relaxing with my 4070 Super while I let my choice organically manifest is in play

A heavily discounted 7900xtx is in play

A discounted 4080 Super is in play

9070XT still has an outside chance of being in play

 

I ended up hanging on to the MSI 4080 Super I bought at BB a few days before thanksgiving. If a 5090 pops up, great, otherwise the 4080S is a good card in the meantime. That being said if @tps3443 ends up selling his Gigabyte 4090 I would definitely pick that up.

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1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I ended up hanging on to the MSI 4080 Super I bought at BB a few days before thanksgiving. If a 5090 pops up, great, otherwise the 4080S is a good card in the meantime. That being said if @tps3443 ends up selling his Gigabyte 4090 I would definitely pick that up.

 

Depending on how tomorrow unfolds for us along with @tps3443 luck, I might be interested in your 4080 Super. Let's see how things go. 🙂

 

Cost per frame analysis at 4k. 4070 Super is a banger and 5080 is not doing too shabby either.

 

At pure retail pricing, 4090 is only beaten for worse value by the original MSRP of the 4080. 5090 is obviously a bad buy for cost per frame too.

 

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, especially depending on games played and if you do not care about RT, 7900xtx is not a bad card at all. Price is grossly unrealistic now though...$799.99 should be its new norm. 9070xt should be ~$649.95 and replace the 7900xt. 7900GRE is discontinued already.

 

 

From my YT subs....a tale of two cities. I feel like Jufus is pandering a bit. One side of his mouth he "keeps it real," but other side he definitely wants those free items sent along with getting his viewers to keep funding his habit. I do not like it when some YT channels keep trying to reinforce that their view is the only way and everybody else is fake news to a degree while also shilling and patting themselves on the back way too often. This is his problem even though I do enjoy some of his content and agree with him half the time.

 

At least he's tier 2 now and scored a 5080 FE and some items from Asus so far even with a ~35k sub count. Kudos to him!