*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

How do you buy a 5090 or 5080 on Nvidia website? I only see 3rd party options even at launch time. 


@electrosoft I think BH Photo is pretty terrible, I am afraid to order from them. I have heard people say they still have 3090's on pre-order and BH photo still had their money lol. They allow ordering on items that are not in stock at times, they charge you right away, then you have to play the long game, the 4090 I got from GTZ said this thing was on back order for 12 months before he finally received it, and that was after he got a notification in his email saying "4090 In-stock click the special buy link". It's just a single brick/mortar store so they may have trouble producing any real inventory of 5080/5090's.

I am signed up to buy a 5090 from the and I have a few where I am "among the first" or as BH Photo calls it. But I am concerned from buying from them. 

[jaybee83]

aight guys, im out. 3 hours and 15 shops later, didnt snipe one. but ill keep my eyes peeled the next days 🙂

 

my baby girl is calling, daddy duties! 

[electrosoft]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

How do you buy a 5090 or 5080 on Nvidia website? I only see 3rd party options even at launch time. 


@electrosoft I think BH Photo is pretty terrible, I am afraid to order from them. I have heard people say they still have 3090's on pre-order and BH photo still had their money lol. They allow ordering on items that are not in stock at times, they charge you right away, then you have to play the long game, the 4090 I got from GTZ said this thing was on back order for 12 months before he finally received it, and that was after he got a notification in his email saying "4090 In-stock click the special buy link". It's just a single brick/mortar store so they may have trouble producing any real inventory of 5080/5090's.

 

I'm not sure if Nvidia is selling their FE on their website this time around or at least at launch. All I saw was 3rd party links too.

 

I've never had an issue with BH Photo, but I've only used them to purchase in stock items or items with a known shipping date.

 

If they can't ship within 30 days, you cancel or just contest it. They have been around for quite some time. This is the first I've heard of issues with them.

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, jaybee83 said:

aight guys, im out. 3 hours and 15 shops later, didnt snipe one. but ill keep my eyes peeled the next days 🙂

 

my baby girl is calling, daddy duties! 

 

Yep, I'm out too. Remember, this is just the first day of launch and we all know they will eventually become available given time. Like I said before, I can't remember the last time I scored a card on launch day and quite honestly the FE 5080 was a pleasant, delayed surprise.

 

I suspect I won't score a 5090 till a month or two from now. That seems to be my jam. 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

38 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I can now safely return my 4070 Super if I so desire. I have till the 2nd...

 

$1012 after BB rewards almost half the cost of my 4090 for the bulk of its performance.

 

 

 

NOW the big hunt continues......

 

@jaybee83 I'm looking around to see if I can find anyone online who scored an MSI Suprim 5090 of any kind yet.

Maybe I will sell my Gigabutt 4090 and buy a 5080 and use the leftover cash to buy gold and silver. At going rates I could probably sell it for $2,000 to a moron. There seems to be no shortage of them.

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe I will sell my Gigabutt 4090 and buy a 5080 and use the leftover cash to buy gold and silver. At going rates I could probably sell it for $2,000 to a moron. There seems to be no shortage of them.

Plus, Nvidia made two million 5080's and only fifty thousand 5090's so your chances of getting a 5080 are really good! 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Plus, Nvidia made two million 5080's and only fifty thousand 5090's so your chances of getting a 5080 are really good! 

The only logical reason I would have to do it is to profit on the sale and have a nice chunk of extra money left over after purchasing the 5080. It would be of no functional benefit. But, that's a better idea (to me) than buying a 5090. 4090 is a better GPU than 5080, but they are close enough to the same performance that it wouldn't matter.

 

I may actually consider doing that as long as I don't have to resort to selling it on eBag. I'd only offer it for sale in our marketplace here or at overclock.net.

[tps3443]

At least I have my 4090 to use so I am thankful for that, would have been terrible if I prematurely sold it for a very low price lol 🙂 By the way, Sniper Elite 6 just came out on Game Pass! 

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

At least I have my 4090 to use so I am thankful for that, would have been terrible if I prematurely sold it for a very low price lol 🙂 By the way, Sniper Elite 6 just came out on Game Pass! 

It might be smart to just ride it a bit and not try too hard to grab a 5090 and see what actually plays out as 5090s begin to trickle into the hands of people that know how to use them. You know how the hype train tends to work. The YouTube circus usually swings back and forth between fanboys and haters and we don't know what is for real until real people get ahold of products we wonder about.

 

I expect more people will soon figure out that paying bucks for no benefit is dumb and the value of used 4090s will plummet with the better-built versions of 5080 going for around $1200 or an FE for $999.

 

While it is not the flagship, I think 5080 is actually priced to value in today's grossly inflated market. It is priced exactly where a 4090 should have been priced. First time in a very long time I have been able to identify a priced-to-value PC component. 5080 pricing is like an ice pick to the testicles of everyone that purchased a 4090 at or near its intended MSRP and like something worse for anyone that paid more.

 

The 5090 would only be a good value if it were priced to match the intended 4090 MSRP. I think it is overvalued by around $1000 to be honest. It's sad that people are scrambling to pay that and allow them to get away with it, but that happens all the time. People are always eager to overpay for things they want because desire and passion always trump good sense. I am guilty of it and most of us here are, but I think I might have found the bottom to my tolerance in terms of volunteering as a victim for price gouging.

[tps3443]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be smart to just ride it a bit and not try too hard to grab a 5090 and see what actually plays out as 5090s begin to trickle into the hands of people that know how to use them. You know how the hype train tends to work. The YouTube circus usually swings back and forth between fanboys and haters and we don't know what is for real until real people get ahold of products we wonder about.

 

I expect more people will soon figure out that paying bucks for no benefit is dumb and the value of used 4090s will plummet with the better-built versions of 5080 going for around $1200 or an FE for $999.

 

While it is not the flagship, I think 5080 is actually priced to value in today's grossly inflated market. It is priced exactly where a 4090 should have been priced. First time in a very long time I have been able to identify a priced-to-value PC component. 5080 pricing is like an ice pick to the testicles of everyone that purchased a 4090 at or near its intended MSRP and like something worse for anyone that paid more.

 

The 5090 would only be a good value if it were priced to match the intended 4090 MSRP. I think it is overvalued by around $1000 to be honest. It's sad that people are scrambling to pay that and allow them to get away with it, but that happens all the time. People are always eager to overpay for things they want because desire and passion always trump good sense.

The 4090 is still way faster than a 5080. Not to mention 50% less VRAM. I don’t think value on 4090’s will change much. I have a techpowerup spread sheet of all games tested in 1080/1440P/2160P Max/Avg/Min. And the 4090 gaps the 5080 extremely well. 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 4090 is still way faster than a 5080. Not to mention 50% less VRAM. I don’t think value on 4090’s will change much. I have a techpowerup spread sheet of all games tested in 1080/1440P/2160P Max/Avg/Min. And the 4090 gaps the 5080 extremely well. 

 

There is prosumers that want a cheaper option as 4090 for multi GPU setup. And the 5080 should really be an 5060, LOL

 

NVIDIA RTX 5080 should be the RTX 5060: the difference in shaders by cost compared to the full chip is worse with each generation

 

 

Will  this mess be fixed with an bios update? Can bios updates fix flawed HW design? Remember the flawed connector design for 40 series. Only a revision upgrade could reduce the smoke and fire.

 

Reviewer reports RTX 5080 FE instability — PCIe 5.0 signal integrity likely the culprit

 

 The issue is suspected to stem from the multi-PCB design of the FE cards.

 

Also have an eye on this....

 

ROG RTX 5090 once again uses a different core back capacitor combination?

 

Other RTX 5090Ds on Bilibili, including MANLI, ZOTAC, GIGABYTE, COLORFUL, INNO3D, AX GAMING, etc., are all MLCC designs. The 5090D Astral Tony Yu, ASUS China’s General Manager used for the world records had 4 caps and MLCC desig. But the Cards Asus showed under CES had MLCC design.

 

Edit. MSI use all MLCC design for all SKUs. While Asus only use same design on the 5080's.  

 

If I remember correctly... Older MSI Lightning cards had extra caps behind the GPU core on PCB. (GPU Reactor) – An add-on device on the back of GTX 680 Lightning for the overclocking stability. 

 

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox 

Check this really cool spread sheet out comparing the 4090 and 5080 performance. The 4090 gaps this thing. Take a look at the Minecraft DXR performance. now the 5080 is really power efficient. But, the 4090 can be as well. It is surprising what the 4090 can do when we gimp it to 350 watts with less voltage. Practically no loss in performance. This reduced power consumption already occurred on some models limited to 1.070v. 



RTX 4090 





RTX 5080

[tps3443]

I think all of the 5090's were sold to Europe.  Why sell a card in the USA, when you can sell it in Germany for much more money. 

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think all of the 5090's were sold to Europe.  Why sell a card in the USA, when you can sell it in Germany for much more money. 

I have no doubt as to the likelihood of some of the pallets mysteriously disappearing before they reached their final destinations. A lot probably disappeared before they got out of China. This is how many scalpers and criminal crypto mining operations get their inventory and it is usually an inside job somewhere along the path. I have been involved with claims on entire truckloads and shipping containers full of GPUs and other types of computers and electronics components being stolen. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I think all of the 5090's were sold to Europe.  Why sell a card in the USA, when you can sell it in Germany for much more money. 

 

Not so sure about that. Remember citizens in Europa pay from 19-25% taxes on top of the bill.

 

And if Jensen was smart. Start flood the US market with loads of cards before the Trump tax become an reality. 

 

But who knows... Nvidia and Jensen will prioritice China before anything.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I think all of the 5090's were sold to Europe.  Why sell a card in the USA, when you can sell it in Germany for much more money. 

 

ha! i wish 😄 as far as i can see there were maybe like 50-100 cards sold in germany, so all of europe wouldnt be that much more than the US, if any....

[tps3443]

@electrosoft When does BestBuy usually re-up lol? You think there will be more tonight or in the morning? I keep hearing 02/06. But hoping maybe we can find some more before then. I registered with BH Photo notifications on 01/16, and I have not heard anything as of yet. 

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ha! i wish 😄 as far as i can see there were maybe like 50-100 cards sold in germany, so all of europe wouldnt be that much more than the US, if any....

This has been a crazy paper launch if I have ever seen one, I was poor during RTX3000 Series launch, and also poor during RTX4000 Series launch lol. I was here for the 4080 Super launch, and we had plenty of inventory which was surprising for a $999 GPU that was faster than the 4080. I really thought we would have plenty of cards for everyone this go around, retailers have learned more, gotten smarter to avoid bots and all of that stuff, I would hope supply chains have improved as well.. Nvidia never even offered to sell theirs on the Nvidia Store website. BestBuy is broken, and Newegg never even came in-stock for me 🥺. It seems like there was (20) 5080's for every (1) 5090. This makes me think what most are saying and that's just really poor yields and low quantities. Unless they are all going to China maybe. 

I think they also sent 40% of the available 5090's to YouTube Channels lol. 

 

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think they also sent 40% of the available 5090's to YouTube Channels lol. 

 omg THIS! let them review the cards, sign them and back they go into the pile to be sold! this way, if u do get an "open box" item, ull at least have it signed by some random youtuber lulz 😄 

[win32asmguy]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 5090 would only be a good value if it were priced to match the intended 4090 MSRP. I think it is overvalued by around $1000 to be honest. It's sad that people are scrambling to pay that and allow them to get away with it, but that happens all the time. People are always eager to overpay for things they want because desire and passion always trump good sense. I am guilty of it and most of us here are, but I think I might have found the bottom to my tolerance in terms of volunteering as a victim for price gouging.

 

Well I guess I have to admit defeat. I gave in and pre-ordered a 5090 from MSI for $2350. There site was pretty buggy so I had to keep resetting page elements every time it timed out so I could keep resubmitting. PHP and jQuery...

 

I both agree that it is overpriced, but also think that in a way it is not.. The die size is 750mm^2 which is almost as big as the w7-2495x Sapphire Rapids MCC die - 770mm^2.

[Papusan]

 

ASUS reveals launch pricing for GeForce RTX 5090/5080, up to $3,099 for 5090 ROG ASTRAL LC

 

$300 extra for the Astral LC card. Aka 55% above MSRP or 300$ above the aircooled Astral OC.  Source: ASUS PR.

 

 

On 1/16/2025 at 7:25 PM, Papusan said:

Nvidia says frame generation and upscaling will require us to rethink benchmarks

 

Yup, show benchmarks the old way just show how little the performance uplift is from 4000 series up to 5000 series. UL aka Futuremark and Ungine need to come up with new benchmarks. They will probably use AI to pick up fake vs real results for the fake frame benchmark leaderboards, LOOL

 

Yup, UL/Futurmark does not disappoint. They are ready with the upgraded Fake frame benchmark. 

 

3DMark DLSS feature test has been updated to support DLSS4

 

 

Btw. If you can't find 5000series for sale maybe an Jokebook from Microsoft is what you want instead? 

Microsoft launches Intel-powered Surface Laptop 7 and Surface Pro 11 for business

Choose between Intel or Qualcomm Copilot+ PCs from Microsoft

[jaybee83]

24 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Well I guess I have to admit defeat. I gave in and pre-ordered a 5090 from MSI for $2350. There site was pretty buggy so I had to keep resetting page elements every time it timed out so I could keep resubmitting. PHP and jQuery...

 

I both agree that it is overpriced, but also think that in a way it is not.. The die size is 750mm^2 which is almost as big as the w7-2495x Sapphire Rapids MCC die - 770mm^2.

 

lucky you, we dont even have the option to pre-order and get in any kind of line.... 😄 

 

babygirl is in dreamland, daddy continues to check for supply 😛 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Well I guess I have to admit defeat. I gave in and pre-ordered a 5090 from MSI for $2350. There site was pretty buggy so I had to keep resetting page elements every time it timed out so I could keep resubmitting. PHP and jQuery...

 

I both agree that it is overpriced, but also think that in a way it is not.. The die size is 750mm^2 which is almost as big as the w7-2495x Sapphire Rapids MCC die - 770mm^2.

How did you pre order one?

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe I will sell my Gigabutt 4090 and buy a 5080 and use the leftover cash to buy gold and silver. At going rates I could probably sell it for $2,000 to a moron. There seems to be no shortage of them.

 

Might as well. I sold my 4090 for $2100 🤣

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Plus, Nvidia made two million 5080's and only fifty thousand 5090's so your chances of getting a 5080 are really good! 

 

lol, if we go by Microcenter drops it looks to be about 10:1 5080:5090 and plenty walked away from trying to order or get a 5080 in person empty handed.

 

Visiting the Reddit threads you would have thought someone died.

 

It is a GPU people! calm down....

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The only logical reason I would have to do it is to profit on the sale and have a nice chunk of extra money left over after purchasing the 5080. It would be of no functional benefit. But, that's a better idea (to me) than buying a 5090. 4090 is a better GPU than 5080, but they are close enough to the same performance that it wouldn't matter.

 

I may actually consider doing that as long as I don't have to resort to selling it on eBag. I'd only offer it for sale in our marketplace here or at overclock.net.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be smart to just ride it a bit and not try too hard to grab a 5090 and see what actually plays out as 5090s begin to trickle into the hands of people that know how to use them. You know how the hype train tends to work. The YouTube circus usually swings back and forth between fanboys and haters and we don't know what is for real until real people get ahold of products we wonder about.

 

I expect more people will soon figure out that paying bucks for no benefit is dumb and the value of used 4090s will plummet with the better-built versions of 5080 going for around $1200 or an FE for $999.

 

While it is not the flagship, I think 5080 is actually priced to value in today's grossly inflated market. It is priced exactly where a 4090 should have been priced. First time in a very long time I have been able to identify a priced-to-value PC component. 5080 pricing is like an ice pick to the testicles of everyone that purchased a 4090 at or near its intended MSRP and like something worse for anyone that paid more.

 

The 5090 would only be a good value if it were priced to match the intended 4090 MSRP. I think it is overvalued by around $1000 to be honest. It's sad that people are scrambling to pay that and allow them to get away with it, but that happens all the time. People are always eager to overpay for things they want because desire and passion always trump good sense. I am guilty of it and most of us here are, but I think I might have found the bottom to my tolerance in terms of volunteering as a victim for price gouging.

 

When you look at the cost per frame the 5080 is in the top five and only beaten by the 4070 Super (which @Talon and I routinely championed) for best bang:buck.

 

5080 is legit no matter what anyone says or dumps on it. Two tiers of improvements (4080->Super->5080) and a much needed price cut and not raising the price this generation even with inflation in play puts it right where Nvidia wants: Keeping buyers from picking up a 7900xtx and making it an actual decent gamers GPU upgrade.

 

Seeing Jufus (since he's the only one going OC vs OC) showing what it can do vs the 4090 at $999 is pretty nice. Did it break trend with previous generations and not best the previous generation's best? Yes, but market forces, how we calculate generation to generation uplift and value and prices paid have changed radically too. It wasn't like you could blame the pandemic or crypto. the 2080ti was the first big salvo from Nvidia to signal how they priced their GPUs and associative performance metrics were being adjusted more in their favor each and every cycle.

 

AIBs unfortunately are caught up in the storm and being wrung out for every cent Nvidia can extract till you might get more EVGA like responses.

 

Apparently reading about dealing with AMD shows they're not much better.

 

I do think if Nvidia had released the 5090 for $1699 the uproar wouldn't have been so bad but they went fully greedy to $1999.99 AND have left the AIBs with such small profit margins they have no choice but to up their prices by 2 to 3 times the original amounts over MSRP.

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 4090 is still way faster than a 5080. Not to mention 50% less VRAM. I don’t think value on 4090’s will change much. I have a techpowerup spread sheet of all games tested in 1080/1440P/2160P Max/Avg/Min. And the 4090 gaps the 5080 extremely well. 

 

OC vs OC (remember how you used to try and compare cards? 😁) it actually isn't let alone much worse bang:buck on the 4090. Not like the 5090 is any better in that category but still.....no.

 

I do think the 4090 makes a nice mid card slotted in between the 5080 and 5090 atm though.

 

This gen 5070 and 5080 (in that order) will be the best bang:buck cards from nvidia by far.

 

5090 is poor value but king of the hill so it is what it is. Bring it on! 🙂

 

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft When does BestBuy usually re-up lol? You think there will be more tonight or in the morning? I keep hearing 02/06. But hoping maybe we can find some more before then. I registered with BH Photo notifications on 01/16, and I have not heard anything as of yet. 

This has been a crazy paper launch if I have ever seen one, I was poor during RTX3000 Series launch, and also poor during RTX4000 Series launch lol. I was here for the 4080 Super launch, and we had plenty of inventory which was surprising for a $999 GPU that was faster than the 4080. I really thought we would have plenty of cards for everyone this go around, retailers have learned more, gotten smarter to avoid bots and all of that stuff, I would hope supply chains have improved as well.. Nvidia never even offered to sell theirs on the Nvidia Store website. BestBuy is broken, and Newegg never even came in-stock for me 🥺. It seems like there was (20) 5080's for every (1) 5090. This makes me think what most are saying and that's just really poor yields and low quantities. Unless they are all going to China maybe. 

I think they also sent 40% of the available 5090's to YouTube Channels lol. 

 

 

Usually once or in rare instances twice a week and at anytime. Best bet now is to follow a bot after the initial known launch but in the past they dropped usually around 1-2 EST during the pandemic.

 

I signed up for notifications with B&H for the Astral, Suprim Air, Suprim Liquid and the MSRP

 

Mid cycle launches have almost always had more stock on hand especially if it lacks a halo card. I can guarantee if a 4090 Super/TI had dropped, it would have disappeared quickly.

 

As I said above, going by the MC chart, it was a ~10:1 ratio 5080 to 5090 and 5080's sold out stupidly quick too.

 

As for yields, gamers are getting the dregs or what Nvidia can spare while their AI machine is printing money for them atm.

 

Just remember a few months from now we'll all laugh at this as 5080's are plentiful and those who wanted a 5090 managed to track one down at MSRP.

 

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Well I guess I have to admit defeat. I gave in and pre-ordered a 5090 from MSI for $2350. There site was pretty buggy so I had to keep resetting page elements every time it timed out so I could keep resubmitting. PHP and jQuery...

 

I both agree that it is overpriced, but also think that in a way it is not.. The die size is 750mm^2 which is almost as big as the w7-2495x Sapphire Rapids MCC die - 770mm^2.

 

Congrats! And whatever gets you in the queue and on the playing field.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

23 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

How did you pre order one?

 

Their USA store had the 5090 Gaming Trio OC in stock around lunchtime. The site was pretty slow and took 1-2 minutes to either timeout or advance. If it timed out I had to change the button element back to enabled so it could attempt again. Some things like the query to load the list of states in the address also failed multiple times too so the whole process took around an hour to complete...

[electrosoft]

B&H website down atm. They might be updating for their launch now. @tps3443

 

EDIT: Back up. Keep an eye on it. 🙂