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[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think if there is evidence of shady activities from scalpers and foolishness like bots and private distribution of links to selected individuals in a situation like this it should be treated as a financial crime (a misdemeanor addressed in realtime at the source) and all of the identified offending orders cancelled with partial refunds minus a reasonable "handling fee" required and the wrongly purchased products put back into inventory and sold to someone not trying to cheat, scam or scalp. The partial refund would be a point of discouragement for those motivated by secondary gain. Secondary loss (refund minus withheld handling fees) is their punishment for wrongful acquisition and it compensates the retailer for addressing the problems that those dishonest "customers" created for them.

 

 

100%

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

I like how the Prime, TUF and Pro Art GPUs and other products look. Very understated and industrial, similar to EVGA Dark motherboards. I saw a new MSI GPU that followed the very muted industrial look as well, similar to the new Prime and TUF GPUs.  (I don't remember what they named it. I did not make special note of it because I am not planning a GPU purchase.) KISS principle without rainbow puke and shiny plastic or flashy trim, LCD screens, etc. 

 

I also think MSI making the Suprim LEDs white by default and only requiring software garbage if you want something different is a step in the right direction. Having rainbow puke as the default is disgusting. White static LED should be the firmware default for all RGB products.

 

Agreed.

 

I said it before, but for Asus to purposely go out of their way with a BIOS update to no longer allow settings to retain without the need of their software was a dirty move. To proactively enforce the need of their software installed is terrible.

 

Everything should default to OFF or at worst a static white, fixed and saved.

 

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. The 5080 improve in quality. The above said it should be the  5060. But HU mean it should be an 5070. Maybe the middleman 5060Ti would be the better compromise? 😁 

 

 

 

 

I've been watching various videos and read ups on this and here is the problem as I see it.

 

Nowhere did Nvidia promise or imply that various tiers would equate to a certain amount of cores or performance metrics comparatively.

 

I can't find where Nvidia said:

 

090 (previously 080ti) tier = X cores

080 tier = X-A

070 tier = X-B

060 tier = X-C

 

This looks to be some type of model concocted by users, journalists and influencers noticing a trend to determine what each tier should be not what is reality.

 

I also don't remember Nvidia promising certain tiered performance metrics per generation either.

 

You get what you get and decide if you want to purchase it or not.

 

We complain a lot, but yet we keep lining up and buying Nvidia. The one device that speaks the loudest to Nvidia, our wallets, routinely open right up and spew forth cash to get their products. Present company included.

 

I'm not defending Nvidia as their objective has been and always will be to give you less for more while nudging the overall performance forward. They spoiled us with the jump from the 2080 to the 3080 at such a good price. They spoiled us again with the jump from the 3080 to the 4080 performance wise but snatched that right back by raising the price by $500 where consumers actually fought back with their wallets and they course corrected.

 

I shudder to imagine how they would be if AMD didn't exist. I used to think the same with Intel and AMD too.

 

So what do you want? Another jump in performance but costing $1500 for the 5080 using the 3080 to 4080 jump? Because if you keep thinking we're going to get another 2080->3080 jump at almost the same price, you need to wake up.

 

Never mind the fact Blackwell is stretched to its limits as is.

 

In regards to humanity as a whole, in the words of Gene Hackman:

 

"Like I always say. Put a fox in a hen house and he'll have chicken every night."

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So what do you want? Another jump in performance but costing $1500 for the 5080 using the 3080 to 4080 jump? Because if you keep thinking we're going to get another 2080->3080 jump at almost the same price, you need to wake up.

 

Nvidia could pump up the performance and added more vram and sold the 5080 for $1199 (people need to feel they get more for the money).

 

With AMD going for mid range the $1199 price point would probably be too much. Hence why 5080 become as it is. Aka less appealing.

 

But if you get an good AIB 4090 card for $1200 that would be the replacement for what I said above. 5080 as it is now is neither a bird or fish.  

 

 

 

Not sure how it goes with @ryan but this could be a start going with desktops... If he don't want to build one himself. 

Pick up an iBUYPOWER desktop PC (with RTX 4070 Super) for a fraction of the price of an RTX 5090 — now just $1,399

[electrosoft]

42 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia could pump up the performance and added more vram and sold the 5080 for $1199 (people need to feel they get more for the money).

 

With AMD going for mid range the $1199 price point would probably be too much. Hence why 5080 become as it is. Aka less appealing.

 

But if you get an good AIB 4090 card for $1200 that would be the replacement for what I said above. 5080 as it is now is neither a bird or fish.  

 

 

 

Not sure how it goes with @ryan but this could be a start going with desktops... If he don't want to build one himself. 

Pick up an iBUYPOWER desktop PC (with RTX 4070 Super) for a fraction of the price of an RTX 5090 — now just $1,399

 

I agree 100% (I usually do with what you write @Papusan) I would love to see that, but we both know Nvidia is not going to do that. They definitely targeted putting their boot even harder on AMD's neck and the 7900xtx and preparing to counter the 9070xt without giving too much back to consumers.

 

Nvidia just extended the 4080 Super with newer technologies, GDDR7, a modest bump in performance and a new compact design and kept the price the same. No more; no less. Good or bad, value wise, it is one of their better picks. That just tells you overall their price:performance is not great across the stack so you pick your poison and keep playing their game.

 

But truly this is the ultimate solution:

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Hopefully this recent pattern is not a permanent trend because the past couple of product launches have left me uninterested in the overpriced trash I was being offered. I fully expect the 9070 XT to be an abject failure that is harmful to AMD on top of the overpriced lackluster dung NVIDIA is offering. Windows is more of a disaster than anyone could have ever imagined it would become, with nothing good that can be said other than it isn't crApple filth. Factor in the Core Ultra trash and the ongoing absence of choices in 2-DIMM motherboards and it is becoming abundantly crystal clear to me that the industry is run by dumbass crooks that are incompetent morons and the future of personal computing is bleak. Something that will only be enjoyable for the ignorant, one-click, tap and swipe, bottom-feeding monkeys of the world.

[Papusan]

 

 

 

 

If 5000 series desktop graphics cards was not as exected.... Better say an disappointment. What with coming gaming Jokebooks with mobile 5000 series graphics cards...

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:If 5000 series desktop graphics cards was not as exected.... Better say an disappointment. What with coming Jokebooks with mobile 5000 series graphics cards...

 

 

 

They are finding the bottom of the turdbook cess pool. There is no room for improvement because they are designed and built by idiots for idiots.

[electrosoft]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

 

If 5000 series desktop graphics cards was not as exected.... Better say an disappointment. What with coming gaming Jokebooks with mobile 5000 series graphics cards...

 

 

 

I think this is a case of the 2000 to 3000 series debacle again where minimal gains were achieved. Even 3000 to 4000 saw nothing really below the 4080 mobile.

 

Seeing as outside of the 5090, nothing is massive in terms of improvements this is about what was to be expected.

 

 

[tps3443]

Crazy that we have to win to even be able to buy a 5090 at all lol. Man, the brain washing goes kinda deep. I see some manufactures replacing their “Out of Stock” button with a “Enter Drawing” lol. I would be over the moon to win such a prize 😂 “I’m being completely serious”

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Crazy that we have to win to even be able to buy a 5090 at all lol. Man, the brain washing goes kinda deep. I see some manufactures replacing their “Out of Stock” button with a “Enter Drawing” lol. I would be over the moon to win such a prize 😂 “I’m being completely serious”

Win it as a gift? Yes, that would be great.

 

Win the "privilege" to purchase...  😑

[Papusan]

 

I wonder how it feels for those that sold their 4080 (S) for pennies hoping 5080 would be what they hoped for. And for many of those ... The 5090 will be too expensive so not an option even if they could find one. Perhaps they are able to find a cheap 4080 that can replace the 4080 they sold for pennies? And the circle goes around again, with the next one that regret he sold his 4080 for cheap cheap, LOOL

 

 

On 1/31/2025 at 4:07 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Can't fix stupid. Stupid+money is next-level idiocy.

 

From 21:55 - Custom 4080 a bit over $600 or half the price  of a custom 5080. 

 

[Raiderman]

I skipped some pages, too far behind). Was anyone able to snag a 5090 at msrp? Or did scalpers clean everyone out? I see the egg is out of stock on everything, so I'm assuming the latter is true?

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I skipped some pages, too far behind). Was anyone able to snag a 5090 at msrp? Or did scalpers clean everyone out? I see the egg is out of stock on everything, so I'm assuming the latter is true?

I was not able to get one. But I’m becoming more patient as each day goes by, I’ve gotten over being mad and now just accept it for what it is like @electrosoft. I spent all of 01/30 searching high and low, I looked a little on 01/31 but didn’t take it seriously knowing they were all gone at that point by bots and scalpers. But now I accept that it’s probably going to be March/April before I can probably get one possibly June to be able to easily buy one at MSRP. I feel like Nvidia could do so much better, and their blatant stupidness to ask gamers how their DLSS4 experience was is absolutely laughable. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I was not able to get one. But I’m becoming more patient as each day goes by, I’ve gotten over being mad and now just accept it for what it is like @electrosoft. I spent all of 01/30 searching high and low, I looked a little on 01/31 but didn’t take it seriously knowing they were all gone at that point by bots and scalpers. But now I accept that it’s probably going to be March/April before I can probably get one possibly June to be able to easily buy one at MSRP. I feel like Nvidia could do so much better, and their blatant stupidness to ask gamers how their DLSS4 experience was is absolutely laughable. 
 

 

 

This is the way.....

 

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5080 FE has arrived:

 

 

Even better news, ZERO coil whine. I mean none. I mean I let Fallout run over 1000fps in the menu and zero during Steel Nomad, Timespy or World of Warcraft.

 

Out of the box it is boosting close to 2800 so that bodes well for some overclocking magic.

 

This is **4** GPUs in a row now (3090ti KPE, 4090 Liquid, 4070 Super, 4080 FE) with different motherboards, CPUs, memory, SSDs with basically no coil whine and all have been on my EVGA 1600w P2. Like I said before, my old 3080 Strix has coil whine in the wife's system with the Seasonic 1000w, but when I swapped it into my system after repasting it to retest it, it had none.

 

Bad news is I'm getting some serious artifacting in WoW with my CPU >5.4ghz and Timespy errors out on the last GPU test. I drop it to 5.4 and everything is smooth sailing. Only difference now vs then is this last week I did swap in those 6000 2x32GB dual rank sticks while I tune up the TG sticks with the 9800X3D. I'll swap in the extra set of Corsair 2x16GB sticks to see if that makes a difference, but I got a funny feeling.....

 

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Lastly, 4070 Super seems to be the sweet spot for Fallout 76 as I'm getting CPU bottlenecked the same across the most hard hitting spot static spot I can find where I do my testing with 4k everything maxed. The 4070 Super hits ~99% utilization in this spot, but the 5080 FE is hitting ~54%. I know FO76 loves X3D and was a monster on the 7800X3D, so hopefully the 9800X3D (pictured left above, coming down the home stretch for tuning the TG 8200 sticks at 2200/6400) will bring this 5080 to its knees but we will see. Min and 1% is up though with the 5080.

 

 

 

 

For historical comparison to show how much the 14900KS w/ 8200 tuned up to 5.9 improved performance but more importantly the absolutely dominating performance of the 7800X3D in Fallout 76. The 13900KS was doing 5.7 all core and the 8000 sticks weren't tuned on the level of the TG 8200 sticks so even with a 4090, my 5080 had better results but that 7800X3D....WHEW.

 

 

 

Oh and lastly, today was literally the last day I could return the 4070 Ventus, so I did. Now it's me and this 5080 FE.....

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

I skipped some pages, too far behind). Was anyone able to snag a 5090 at msrp? Or did scalpers clean everyone out? I see the egg is out of stock on everything, so I'm assuming the latter is true?

I am not even looking to buy at this point. 5090 is a desirable GPU but the price is unacceptable and totally out of scope with any benefits it offers. I can't identify any tangible value in buying one at this point. Lots of things to mitch and boan about and they're easy to spot. I wouldn't pay $1500 for a 9950X or 14900KS even if it was a top 0.05% golden sample, so I'm not going to pay $2500 for a chance at spinning the roulette wheel on a 5090 that is clock-blocked on top of the silicon quality wildcard. 

[jaybee83]

ha! i found two shops with a total of four 5090 models available for purchase (delivery sometime between end of march to end of april LOL)

 

so here we have the scalper shop Galaxus:

 

THATS IN EURO BTW! MSRP for the FE iss 2329€. the balls on that shop....

 

and here we have more "normal pricing" at PC-King, but still high for such basic models if u ask me:

 

not interested in any of these models. not gonna spend a ton of money on a card that i dont even want 😄 but maybe some of you might be interested 🙂 

[johnksss]

Nope, have not gotten one yet either. Just going to wait it out like a normal person and when one drops at MC i'll grab one. The first round of 5090's there were all Zotac and I think some FE's. 

 

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Nope, have not gotten one yet either. Just going to wait it out like a normal person and when one drops at MC i'll grab one. The first round of 5090's there were all Zotac and I think some FE's. 

 

 

in that case u didnt miss much anyways it seems 😄 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I skipped some pages, too far behind). Was anyone able to snag a 5090 at msrp? Or did scalpers clean everyone out? I see the egg is out of stock on everything, so I'm assuming the latter is true?

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was not able to get one. But I’m becoming more patient as each day goes by, I’ve gotten over being mad and now just accept it for what it is like @electrosoft. I spent all of 01/30 searching high and low, I looked a little on 01/31 but didn’t take it seriously knowing they were all gone at that point by bots and scalpers. But now I accept that it’s probably going to be March/April before I can probably get one possibly June to be able to easily buy one at MSRP. I feel like Nvidia could do so much better, and their blatant stupidness to ask gamers how their DLSS4 experience was is absolutely laughable. 
 

 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not even looking to buy at this point. 5090 is a desirable GPU but the price is unacceptable and totally out of scope with any benefits it offers. I can't identify any tangible value in buying one at this point. Lots of things to mitch and boan about and they're easy to spot. I wouldn't pay $1500 for a 9950X or 14900KS even if it was a top 0.05% golden sample, so I'm not going to pay $2500 for a chance at spinning the roulette wheel on a 5090 that is clock-blocked on top of the silicon quality wildcard. 

 

12 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Nope, have not gotten one yet either. Just going to wait it out like a normal person and when one drops at MC i'll grab one. The first round of 5090's there were all Zotac and I think some FE's. 

 

 

I enjoyed the hunt actually. It was fun frantically trying to nab one from NE and BB while also getting real time reports from a few buddies camped out in St Davids and Parkville MC to keep me in the loop how that was going (it didn't lol)

 

All of us in our own, little personal hardware forum here too was fun as real time we smashed ourselves against Nvidia's rock...

 

I mean, we all came out with nada but it was fun!

 

 

[johnksss]

12 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

in that case u didnt miss much anyways it seems 😄 

 

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

 

I enjoyed the hunt actually. It was fun frantically trying to nab one from NE and BB while also getting real time reports from a few buddies camped out in St Davids and Parkville MC to keep me in the loop how that was going (it didn't lol)

 

All of us in our own, little personal hardware forum here too was fun as real time we smashed ourselves against Nvidia's rock...

 

I mean, we all came out with nada but it was fun!

 

 

I did go an check the line of course, but i think I could have gotten a 5080 because they still had one listed. The next morning (3am) it said 3 left, but I am not a Gigabyte GPU fan.

 

Of course i'll keep checking MC website and then drive by the parking lot, but if it's to many people then I'll just keep driving. They usually announce if they have cards around 7 am to 9 am to keep people from just waiting. And will usually say how many they have. so people in line past that amount can just go about their business. Which I thought was decent of them.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was not able to get one. But I’m becoming more patient as each day goes by, I’ve gotten over being mad and now just accept it for what it is like @electrosoft. I spent all of 01/30 searching high and low, I looked a little on 01/31 but didn’t take it seriously knowing they were all gone at that point by bots and scalpers. But now I accept that it’s probably going to be March/April before I can probably get one possibly June to be able to easily buy one at MSRP. I feel like Nvidia could do so much better, and their blatant stupidness to ask gamers how their DLSS4 experience was is absolutely laughable. 

If Willy Wonka selects me for a golden ticket I will let you have it since I am not interested. This is the only model that has the silly drawing. The better models are not available, but I am not sure the "better" models are actually better. Looks like Buildzoid is finding basically that they are mostly all the same products with different coolers and sucker prices for those that still believe more expensive models are better. 

 

[johnksss]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If Willy Wonka selects me for a golden ticket I will let you have it since I am not interested. This is the only model that has the silly drawing. The better models are not available, but I am not sure the "better" models are actually better. Looks like Buildzoid is finding basically that they are mostly all the same products with different coolers and sucker prices for those that still believe more expensive models are better. 

 

I think i'll grab one for about 2 weeks to just run some fast benchmarks then take it back and get a 5080 and call it a day. We'll see though.

 

What's your take on the 9950X though?

 

Edit: I Looked at Ebay to check their prices and "sold" cards and like 90% of them are lying. They haven't sold anything. They make it look like they have sold a card to try and get suckers to buy. I thought that was funny.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

What's your take on the 9950X though?

Happy Saturday, Brother John. 

 

It's OK. Not a bad CPU but not something I would view as an overclocking enthusiast product. It's powerful but clock-blocked and will never live up to its full potential. Mine is a pretty average sample, but they're all clock-blocked including the best samples. Even on LN2 you have to resort to increasing BCLK to go past 5.9GHz on the better CCD. Best you can hope for is lower voltage. It's the only thing made by AMD that I didn't regret owning, so it's a good start. I like it enough that I will probably waste money on an X870E Apex unless it is priced like a 5090.

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy Saturday, Brother John. 

 

It's OK. Not a bad CPU but not something I would view as an overclocking enthusiast product. It's powerful but clock-blocked and will never live up to its fully potential. Mine is a pretty average sample, but they're all clock-blocked including the best samples. Best you can hope for is lower voltage. It's the only thing made by AMD that I didn't regret owning, so it's a good start. I like it enough that I will probably waste money on an X870E Apex unless it is priced like a 5090.

Happy Saturday to you to sir.

 

I was debating on going with that CPU or just keep sitting on mine. So it's clock locked. How does it fair with 3d benching? Better or worse than the 14900KS?

 

I still have like a year and some change left on the warranty. Was trying to see if the 285K made some type of a break through, but it would seem it's still basically sitting in the same position as when it first showed up.

[johnksss]

@electrosoft

Next time you're on FO76 let me know as I do play that.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Happy Saturday to you to sir.

 

I was debating on going with that CPU or just keep sitting on mine. So it's clock locked. How does it fair with 3d benching? Better or worse than the 14900KS?

 

I still have like a year and some change left on the warranty. Was trying to see if the 285K made some type of a break through, but it would seem it's still basically sitting in the same position as when it first showed up.

It does OK on 3D benching. It's really close to the 14900KS in almost every way other than the core ratio limits. It does better in Cinebench because it's not crippled by smartphone cores like the 14900KS. I haven't been able to beat my 3D benchmarks set with 14900KF/KS using the 9950X, but my best GPU is still installed in the Z790 Apex so it's not a level playing field on the GPU side. The 9950X is running the weaker Gigabyte 4090.