*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

Unfortunately 600w just is not enough. I need to mess around with undervolting or get my hands on a higher than 600w power limit vBIOS. During the Steel Nomad run it was pegged at or above 600w the entire run. Will tinker with voltage and curve when I get more time. But it's clear to me from the outset this card is insanely power hungry/starved. 

 

This is an Asus TUF OC RTX 5090 btw. 

 

I also have an Asus TUF OC RTX 5080 I'll be looking to get rid of soon. Actually a banger card, more than enough IMO but not an upgrade or even a sidegrade from a 4090 unless you want to use multi frame gen which for single player games is pretty incredible stuff. But pure power and vram, it's just too gimped beyond the $999 price tag for the FE. 

[electrosoft]

31 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

WTF is a "reference clock". I'm sorry, but this kid is an absolute goof. I've watched some of his stuff and he has very little knowledge about what he's doing or talking about. He overlays the stats, and puts in "reference clock" and clamped the clocks down to hit his agenda of trying to present a slower card. Total BS. Unless he's attempting to tell the audience out of pure ignorance or misleading them to believe that Nvidia cards only hit their "reference boost". This has not been the case since the 600 series? 

 

 

As you can see even this crap MSI Ventus "reference boosts" to 2782MHz out of box. 

 

Total joker. 

 

 

I don't mind him using reference clocks on the 5070ti as long as he uses reference clocks on the 4070ti for comparison. He does note in his benchmark footage they are reference clocks but overall it makes no sense to be locking the clocks at all. Just let the card run as intended.

 

He does let the 5070ti flex its clocks later with it hitting 2800mhz+ on versus the 4070 ti Super in Monster Hunter Wilds at 4k Native High showing a boost of ~10% (!):

 

(Timestamped)

 

1 minute ago, Talon said:

Unfortunately 600w just is not enough. I need to mess around with undervolting or get my hands on a higher than 600w power limit vBIOS. During the Steel Nomad run it was pegged at or above 600w the entire run. Will tinker with voltage and curve when I get more time. But it's clear to me from the outset this card is insanely power hungry/starved. 

 

Which model 5090 did you end up with and picked up from where? Congrats!

 

Here's hoping Nvidia didn't learn from the 4090 BIOS freedom and lock down the 5090 down to the ground.

 

 

 

[Talon]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I don't mind him using reference clocks on the 5070ti as long as he uses reference clocks on the 4070ti for comparison. He does note in his benchmark footage they are reference clocks but overall it makes no sense to be locking the clocks at all. Just let the card run as intended. 

 

That's kinda my point. It makes zero sense because the card will never operate that way. You could buy 1000 RTX 5070 Ti chips and not a single one of them is ever not going to boost upwards of high 2700-2800Mhz. Not one. Nvidia tunes these cards for peak performance along a curve, and artificially clamping them down can do all kinds of weird things to performance. And then to compare against a card he is letting boost like it should makes things even more bizarre and misleading. Yet if you look through the comments, nobody notices this? Then again his viewership is sort of an echo chamber as most channels tend to be. 

 

But I will agree with the idea that GPU prices are just stupid, stupid, stupid. I used an RTX 5080 for awhile and I really liked it but damn unless you get it MSRP, it's also stupid. I hate it. I am beginning to hate Nvidia, their supply, the games being played, all of it. For the first time in a long time I've been pretty soured by Nvidia. 

 

Also I ended up "picking" lol, the Asus TUF OC 5090. It was what Microcenter had available. I went 3x separate nights and finally got a card. It was downright insane/stupid lol. I did meet some pretty cool dudes though, all of us the same, crazy enthusiasts. Chairs, blankets, snacks, etc. We did chill in our cars most nights until around 7am and then lined up as the less crazies arrived. 

 

I actually wanted the TUF/OC model or the Astral. I've had an Astral on order at Provantage since last month, they charged me on Tuesday, so maybe it ships soon? 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

I am beginning to hate Nvidia, their supply, the games being played, all of it. For the first time in a long time I've been pretty soured by Nvidia. 

Same. My next GPU, whenever that is, will probably be Intel or AMD. I liked my Arc GPU. I haven't ever liked any AMD GPU, so that tells you something right there.  I haven't ever liked AMD CPUs either, but I didn't approve of what Intel did with Core Ultra. So, I said screw 'em and so did lots of other people. It's not awesome, but also not terrible. Just kind of "meh" overall. But, the point is, Intel didn't get any money from me this time, and probably won't until they get their priorities straight and get back on track.

 

I know none of them care what I approve of, but I get to decide how to spend my money and I am not going to reward them for having dung for brains. I'm hoping (against hope probably) that there are enough people left that think like I do and if enough of us do not approve and make a conscious decision to spend (less of) our money on inferior brands they will have an ephiphany and pull their heads out of their butts, or lose a fortune, tank their stock and start losing investors. It will be what they deserve for being arrogant imbeciles with a false sense of immortality.

 

It happened to Intel. Nobody ever thought it would. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. NVIDIA is pushing their luck. It can happen to them, too. And, I hope it does... soon. Not so it can benefit AMD. I don't care about that. Just because they deserve it. They need to know what goes around comes around and it needs to cost them dearly with the only thing in the world they care about... money. They need to lose most of it and get a hard reset.

 

With the burning wuss-boy power cables, missing ROPs, betting everything on fake frame DLSS, AI bullcrap and whatever comes next for their fake performance spoofs, (plus who knows how many other gimps and latent engineering defects are waiting to be discovered,) they'll probably need less help than it would have required a few years ago. I hope we all get to enjoy watching the Green Goblin's lair get burned to the ground together. It doesn't take a big cut to bleed to death. Lots of smaller cuts will do the trick.

 

We need to stop behaving like lap dogs and start behaving like cunning wolves that hunt in packs, go for the jugulars, and take no prisoners.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't ever liked AMD CPUs either, but I didn't approve of what Intel did with Core Ultra. So, I said screw 'em and so did lots of other people. It's not awesome, but also not terrible. Just kind of "meh" overall. But, the point is, Intel didn't get any money from me this time, and probably won't until they get their priorities straight and get back on track.

 

I know none of them care what I approve of, but I get to decide how to spend my money and I am not going to reward them for having dung for brains

 

Me... Continue with my "old" Intel 1700 setup. Neither Intel or AMD will get my money this round. I was ready to  buy but none offered anything better than what I already have. New doesn't always mean much better. Only newer😎

[Meaker]

I got the B650E and a 7700 because the value was very decent, the 9xxx series is not that interesting but the next gen might be with the 12 core CCDs.

[Mr. Fox]

I hope Intel pulls their head out of their butt next gen and focus on higher core count, returning hyperthreading and elimination of crappy smartphone cores and the retarded chiplet crap. If they release something equivalent or better than 14900KS in terms of core and thread count and overclocking (CPU and memory) prowess this will be my last AM5 setup. If not, then it might still be and I may stop spending money on computers. Reliability is something everyone can appreciate, but overclocking is becoming very mediocre. Without excitement in that area my interest in computers totally vaporizes. 

 

I was going to jump on an X870E Apex when it drops. I still might if the temptation is great enough. I am having second thoughts because I am not really seeing a lot of meaningful variance in performance on AM5. It really seems like AM5 overclocking (CPU and memory) limitations are more at the CPU design level than they are motherboard design. I think their CPUs reach the edge of overclocking functionality long before the motherboard capabilities start to be exhausted.

 

We are living in one of the worst times I can remember for PC enthusiasts. Everything is pretty screwed up right now in terms of CPU and GPU performance, with extremely poor monetary value, stunted performance and stunted overclocking. I hope it doesn't get even more sucky, but I won't hold my breath. I suspect it will just continue on a path of regression, with less of what I want at a higher price for less than I am willing to embrace.

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

(Timestamped)

Gaming is rapidly becoming a joke from every angle (hardware and software). Overclocking is swiftly becoming a joke as well. Computing in general is circling the drain. People love eating unhealthy garbage that makes them sick and purchasing compromised silicon trash so much that all there is to eat is garbage and the only things for sale are trash. The prices for both are exhorbitant. The consumer target markets are the idiots, ignoramuses and fools of the world that have access to money and shouldn't, and those groups of losers seem to have us outnumbered. As usual, we all get to have what the losers are willing to put up with. Idiots with access to money and an eagerness to spend gobs of it on trash really screws things up for the rest of us.

 

[Rage Set]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same. My next GPU, whenever that is, will probably be Intel or AMD. I liked my Arc GPU. I haven't ever liked any AMD GPU, so that tells you something right there.  I haven't ever liked AMD CPUs either, but I didn't approve of what Intel did with Core Ultra. So, I said screw 'em and so did lots of other people. It's not awesome, but also not terrible. Just kind of "meh" overall. But, the point is, Intel didn't get any money from me this time, and probably won't until they get their priorities straight and get back on track.

 

I know none of them care what I approve of, but I get to decide how to spend my money and I am not going to reward them for having dung for brains. I'm hoping (against hope probably) that there are enough people left that think like I do and if enough of us do not approve and make a conscious decision to spend (less of) our money on inferior brands they will have an ephiphany and pull their heads out of their butts, or lose a fortune, tank their stock and start losing investors. It will be what they deserve for being arrogant imbeciles with a false sense of immortality.

 

It happened to Intel. Nobody ever thought it would. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. NVIDIA is pushing their luck. It can happen to them, too. And, I hope it does... soon. Not so it can benefit AMD. I don't care about that. Just because they deserve it. They need to know what goes around comes around and it needs to cost them dearly with the only thing in the world they care about... money. They need to lose most of it and get a hard reset.

 

With the burning wuss-boy power cables, missing ROPs, betting everything on fake frame DLSS, AI bullcrap and whatever comes next for their fake performance spoofs, (plus who knows how many other gimps and latent engineering defects are waiting to be discovered,) they'll probably need less help than it would have required a few years ago. I hope we all get to enjoy watching the Green Goblin's lair get burned to the ground together. It doesn't take a big cut to bleed to death. Lots of smaller cuts will do the trick.

 

We need to stop behaving like lap dogs and start behaving like cunning wolves that hunt in packs, go for the jugulars, and take no prisoners.

 

This! This is why I stopped buying all of the latest, "best" after Nvidia's 30 series and Intel's 1700 platform. Now my new love is 3D printing - which, as I stated in the past, is like the old era of computing. You have those that build from the ground up, i.e. Voron, to go faster than anything on the market and those that buy ready-to-print devices that don't offer customization. 

 

For the first time, in a long time, I have little interest in any new PC component for overclocking. I am just waiting until used 4090's hover around 1000 so I can pick one up for my CAD/Bender work. 

[Papusan]

Long time since I have seen such a mess from Nvidia. I hope AMD can learn from all this. People aren't so forgiving with AMD.

NVIDIA’s Latest Driver Update Is Apparently Unable To Resolve “Black Screen” Issues For Many Users; MFG-Supported Titles Are Now Crashing

It is claimed that all titles supporting MFG are now crashing out for the user, and even after applying the 572.65 "hotfix," the issue seems to be persistent. However, the black-screen isn't just limited to MFG titles;

 

Since the update was released a few days ago, we have not seen masses reports on crashing issues. However, the initial reports indeed indicate that something is wrong. The problem could lie with how MFG works for RTX 50 Blackwell Blackscreen GPUs, but we are not sure for now.

 

Edit.

 

[electrosoft]

23 hours ago, Talon said:

 

That's kinda my point. It makes zero sense because the card will never operate that way. You could buy 1000 RTX 5070 Ti chips and not a single one of them is ever not going to boost upwards of high 2700-2800Mhz. Not one. Nvidia tunes these cards for peak performance along a curve, and artificially clamping them down can do all kinds of weird things to performance. And then to compare against a card he is letting boost like it should makes things even more bizarre and misleading. Yet if you look through the comments, nobody notices this? Then again his viewership is sort of an echo chamber as most channels tend to be. 

 

But I will agree with the idea that GPU prices are just stupid, stupid, stupid. I used an RTX 5080 for awhile and I really liked it but damn unless you get it MSRP, it's also stupid. I hate it. I am beginning to hate Nvidia, their supply, the games being played, all of it. For the first time in a long time I've been pretty soured by Nvidia. 

 

Also I ended up "picking" lol, the Asus TUF OC 5090. It was what Microcenter had available. I went 3x separate nights and finally got a card. It was downright insane/stupid lol. I did meet some pretty cool dudes though, all of us the same, crazy enthusiasts. Chairs, blankets, snacks, etc. We did chill in our cars most nights until around 7am and then lined up as the less crazies arrived. 

 

I actually wanted the TUF/OC model or the Astral. I've had an Astral on order at Provantage since last month, they charged me on Tuesday, so maybe it ships soon? 

 

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same. My next GPU, whenever that is, will probably be Intel or AMD. I liked my Arc GPU. I haven't ever liked any AMD GPU, so that tells you something right there.  I haven't ever liked AMD CPUs either, but I didn't approve of what Intel did with Core Ultra. So, I said screw 'em and so did lots of other people. It's not awesome, but also not terrible. Just kind of "meh" overall. But, the point is, Intel didn't get any money from me this time, and probably won't until they get their priorities straight and get back on track.

 

I know none of them care what I approve of, but I get to decide how to spend my money and I am not going to reward them for having dung for brains. I'm hoping (against hope probably) that there are enough people left that think like I do and if enough of us do not approve and make a conscious decision to spend (less of) our money on inferior brands they will have an ephiphany and pull their heads out of their butts, or lose a fortune, tank their stock and start losing investors. It will be what they deserve for being arrogant imbeciles with a false sense of immortality.

 

It happened to Intel. Nobody ever thought it would. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. NVIDIA is pushing their luck. It can happen to them, too. And, I hope it does... soon. Not so it can benefit AMD. I don't care about that. Just because they deserve it. They need to know what goes around comes around and it needs to cost them dearly with the only thing in the world they care about... money. They need to lose most of it and get a hard reset.

 

With the burning wuss-boy power cables, missing ROPs, betting everything on fake frame DLSS, AI bullcrap and whatever comes next for their fake performance spoofs, (plus who knows how many other gimps and latent engineering defects are waiting to be discovered,) they'll probably need less help than it would have required a few years ago. I hope we all get to enjoy watching the Green Goblin's lair get burned to the ground together. It doesn't take a big cut to bleed to death. Lots of smaller cuts will do the trick.

 

We need to stop behaving like lap dogs and start behaving like cunning wolves that hunt in packs, go for the jugulars, and take no prisoners.

 

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Me... Continue with my "old" Intel 1700 setup. Neither Intel or AMD will get my money this round. I was ready to  buy but none offered anything better than what I already have. New doesn't always mean much better. Only newer😎

 

All of thee above.

 

I just don't have the same zip, zest or pop this generation like before.

 

False scarcity, bad product launches, outlandish pricing (even this generation of laptops are insanely priced) and more.

 

Mediocre gains really and regression in some areas.

 

Meh...

 

I was pleasantly surprised to see AMD returned to a monolithic design with the 9000 series GPUs though....

 

Total skip on the Ultra 9 285 but I could see it being something fun to play around with.

 

Hero w/ 9800X3D is sitting on the table fully setup and tuned ready for the swap, but i'm still rocking the 14900KS rig atm but that will be changing once I kick this covid I brought back with me from our two weeks on the road that has me and the wife laid up atm.

 

I haven't actively looked for a 5090 in weeks but @Talon the whole camping out vibe is so cool. Reminds me of lining up waiting for the first few WoW xpacs when they dropped, speaking of which:

 

Here's WoW still having problems with Afterburner and artifacting/glitching with the newest drivers and newest patch on my system and the 5080 in Dorngal even after a clean install. I'll be curious to see if this goes away or something changes when I swap to the 9800X3D.

 

With the previous 4070 Super installed no problems.

 

Zero issues on the MSI Raider 7950HX3D/4090, Asus Vivobook w/ 3050 and Ultra 9 185,  or wife's 12900k+3080 when running Afterburner/Riva.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

All of thee above.

 

I just don't have the same zip, zest or pop this generation like before.

 

False scarcity, bad product launches, outlandish pricing (even this generation of laptops are insanely priced) and more.

 

Mediocre gains really and regression in some areas.

 

Meh...

 

I was pleasantly surprised to see AMD returned to a monolithic design with the 9000 series GPUs though....

 

Total skip on the Ultra 9 285 but I could see it being something fun to play around with.

 

Hero w/ 9800X3D is sitting on the table fully setup and tuned ready for the swap, but i'm still rocking the 14900KS rig atm but that will be changing once I kick this covid I brought back with me from our two weeks on the road that has me and the wife laid up atm.

 

I haven't actively looked for a 5090 in weeks but @Talon the whole camping out vibe is so cool. Reminds me of lining up waiting for the first few WoW xpacs when they dropped, speaking of which:

 

Here's WoW still having problems with Afterburner and artifacting/glitching with the newest drivers and newest patch on my system and the 5080 in Dorngal even after a clean install. I'll be curious to see if this goes away or something changes when I swap to the 9800X3D.

 

With the previous 4070 Super installed no problems.

 

Zero issues on the MSI Raider 7950HX3D/4090, Asus Vivobook w/ 3050 and Ultra 9 185,  or wife's 12900k+3080 when running Afterburner/Riva.

 

Sorry to hear that you and the wife are under the weather, brother. I hope it's gone soon and you get back to normal. 

 

That artifacting looks terrible. It looks a lot like the artifacting that occurs when you have overclocked the GPU too far for stability. I wonder if MSI Afterburner is somehow doing something goofy to the boost mode while it's running?  Strange.

 

Boy these sure are some crazy days that we're living in with things that are extremely overpriced not even functioning correctly. We had Ryzen CPUs getting burned, Radeon video cards with defective vapor chambers, Intel CPUs getting degraded by excessive voltage and opportunistic core boosting. 12VHPWR connectors melting, updated connectors melting, now Ryzen CPUs burning again, Intel moving to a suckier CPU design, now the most expensive GeFarts GPUs ever having missing ROPS, a mickey mouse performance increase, deceptive and misrepresented marketing, the next newest 12VHPWR power connector version update still melting, and a 50-series FE desktop GPU engineering abortion designed like something made to be installed in a turdbook. Blackwell Blackscreen Syndrome when using MFG, and now crap like this artifacting. We're getting shafted left and right.

 

I hope that we never look back on this as the good old days because that's not a very encouraging future.

[Mr. Fox]

I guess it makes sense to see paranoia and performance anxiety to start messing with a person's mind that spent twice (or or more) than a GPU's real worth in terms of its capabilities for nothing more than a perceived "privilege" of acquiring it.  [link] The engineering defects and performance problems those privileged characters are experiencing, or worried about, is probably enough to give some of them a severe case of tachycardia.

 

[Papusan]

On 3/1/2025 at 9:27 PM, Mr. Fox said:

All they have to do is impose the tariffs to go both ways so that China is forced to pay a very high tax on products owned by American companies to purchase products manufactured in China. The US and the rest of the world needs to grow some gonads and completely decouple from China socially and economically and let them implode. They are overpopulated and under-resourced, and ripe for insurrection and civil unrest.

 

Doesn't help. If US really cared they would have to ban Nvidia from selling their chips in whole Asia continent/region. As well several other countries around the world. That would mean Nvidia would go out of business. And money matters. In short... All US chip/tech companies would go out of business. 

 

And whats the point demand water down the chips performance for the China market when China have one of world's biggest corps of engineers that can boost performance from less performing chips? Only a full ban of all chips and ban +70% of the global continent from buying chips. That won't happen.

 

As long there is chips production with ot without US tech, China will get their share of them.

Chinese firms get Blackwell chips by ordering through nearby countries, defying U.S. bans

This just shows how ineffective the U.S. bans and sanctions are when it comes to controlling the inflow of chips into China, with former U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo saying that moves like this are but a fool’s errand. That’s because unlike ASML, which only have a few customers, Nvidia has a massive customer base that would make it nearly impossible to track where each of its products will end up.

 

 

Yup, more profits from data center chips... 

 

Major Swedish retailer confirms lack of GeForce RTX 5070 stock at launch

 

MSI increases RTX 5070 Ti prices ahead of RX 9070 XT launch

MSI unlaunches its “MSRP” cards, RTX 50 series get a price hike in official store

 

MSI is likely to be only the first of many companies to raise prices for the RTX 5070 Ti. Asus previously faced similar criticism when the price of the Prime RTX 5080 GPU rose to 1,178 euros after its market launch. Manufacturers often stick to Nvidia's RRP until launch in order to get their models into the first reviews. However, some analysts suspect that the price increases were already planned in advance, even before Nvidia published the official pricing guidelines.

 

On 3/1/2025 at 10:08 PM, Papusan said:

This won't help. And US government had to do the same for the whole Asia continent (Asia population is equivalent to 59.05% of the total world population). 

 

The “China Shock” in semiconductors: Chip prices have dropped so much that no company can compete, some could close

 

[win32asmguy]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Here's WoW still having problems with Afterburner and artifacting/glitching with the newest drivers and newest patch on my system and the 5080 in Dorngal even after a clean install. I'll be curious to see if this goes away or something changes when I swap to the 9800X3D.

 

Hmm I do not see artifacting on the MSI 5090 Gaming Trio in WoW with afterburner running, but maybe I am missing something.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I guess it makes sense to see paranoia and performance anxiety to start messing with a person's mind that spent twice (or or more) than a GPU's real worth in terms of its capabilities for nothing more than a perceived "privilege" of acquiring it.  [link] The engineering defects and performance problems those privileged characters are experiencing, or worried about, is probably enough to give some of them a severe case of tachycardia.

 

Granite Rapids has a new 16 P-core LCC variant which is Redwood Cove cores complete with hyperthreading on a monolithic die. I guess it still uses a tiled die for I/O stuff but the MCH and hopefully PCIe should be on the CPU tile from what I understand. If only Intel management would get their head out of the groud and port this chip in some form to client lineup. Its also Intel 3, produced domestically in Intels own fab, just like the Sapphire Rapids chips.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Hmm I do not see artifacting on the MSI 5090 Gaming Trio in WoW with afterburner running, but maybe I am missing something.

 

 

Granite Rapids has a new 16 P-core LCC variant which is Redwood Cove cores complete with hyperthreading on a monolithic die. I guess it still uses a tiled die for I/O stuff but the MCH and hopefully PCIe should be on the CPU tile from what I understand. If only Intel management would get their head out of the groud and port this chip in some form to client lineup. Its also 18A, produced domestically in Intels own fab, just like the Sapphire Rapids chips.

 

I believe it's Intel 3, which is domestic, but 18A won't be available until later this year with Panther Lake. 

[Papusan]

Windows 11 24H2 is a huge mess paired with Intel Core Ultra processors/platform. And you are almost forced to use Windows 11 with AMD's new gen graphics cards. -Nice.

 

Windows 11 24H2 might quietly throttle and slow your system when you aren't paying attention

 

AMD makes a Windows 11 official requirement mandatory for latest graphics cards

 

AMD has made one of the minimum system requirements of Windows 11 a necessity for its latest generation of graphics cards....

 

From the Green camp's new products...

NVIDIA makes a fool of itself again with its new Hotfix driver: it doesn't solve the problems, it creates new ones, and it's the users who come up with several partial solutions

 

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sorry to hear that you and the wife are under the weather, brother. I hope it's gone soon and you get back to normal. 

 

That artifacting looks terrible. It looks a lot like the artifacting that occurs when you have overclocked the GPU too far for stability. I wonder if MSI Afterburner is somehow doing something goofy to the boost mode while it's running?  Strange.

 

Boy these sure are some crazy days that we're living in with things that are extremely overpriced not even functioning correctly. We had Ryzen CPUs getting burned, Radeon video cards with defective vapor chambers, Intel CPUs getting degraded by excessive voltage and opportunistic core boosting. 12VHPWR connectors melting, updated connectors melting, now Ryzen CPUs burning again, Intel moving to a suckier CPU design, now the most expensive GeFarts GPUs ever having missing ROPS, a mickey mouse performance increase, deceptive and misrepresented marketing, the next newest 12VHPWR power connector version update still melting, and a 50-series FE desktop GPU engineering abortion designed like something made to be installed in a turdbook. Blackwell Blackscreen Syndrome when using MFG, and now crap like this artifacting. We're getting shafted left and right.

 

I hope that we never look back on this as the good old days because that's not a very encouraging future.

 

Thanks brother! I'm hit pretty hard, but nowhere near like in 2020 where I was out of commission for 6 weeks. Interestingly,  I've been rocking this Oura smart ring for over 6 months now and I've had a head cold here, ear infection there, sinus infection, etc... and it hasn't even budged, but this? First time it tripped a biometric alarm/alert letting me know my body is encountering something straining my body majorly and to shut it down. It has tripped 5 days in a row now except finally today it tripped but said the stressors are now minor but still present.

 

This is the sickest I've seen my wife ever in our 28yrs together. She's been to urgent care twice already, loaded to the gills with inhalers, steroids, antibiotic (secondary infection protection), mucinex, coughing liquid AND pill and we're just watching her pulse ox now. If it dips to ~92 or below (currently 95), off to the ER she goes.

 

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The artifacting is so odd because it doesn't do it anywhere else. When I had those dying sticks of memory, artifacting and issues were everywhere and eventually I ended up RMA'ing those set of sticks for a new set and all those original problems went away with a replacement set of 2x32GB sticks except WoW which was suffering the dreaded, "The memory can not be read" error which means either the OC is failing or the memory is failing outright.

 

But this issue is just odd as World of Warcraft just goes bonkers with the 5080 and the 5000 level drivers. It's not a deal breaker as I've just been using Nvidia's performance monitoring software as a stop gap, but it is reproducible consistently even after a clean install. Once I'm back to full(ish) strength, I want to get the 9800X3D set up and see what happens.

 

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I think I can sum up the market right now to me and it is absolute apathy atm. I think I would be a bit more excited if the 5090 was cheaper (better bang:buck) that makes the 4090 and 5080 look like absolutely smokin' values atm (assuming MSRP of course).

 

For the price, I am very curious about the 9070xt and might pick one up if I can snag it for MSRP.

 

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Hmm I do not see artifacting on the MSI 5090 Gaming Trio in WoW with afterburner running, but maybe I am missing something.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out why this is happening only in WoW and only with AB running. Fallout, Wukong, FF, Deus Ex, 3Dmark, etc...  all work fine.

 

I definitely had a bad/failing set of sticks that was causing crashing/artifacting everywhere and those were RMA'd but this was a timing issue that this is happening now too isolated to WoW (or at least WoW only in regards to my limited test bed of games/benches).

 

Not a deal breaker, as I just use Nvidia's built in tools that work well enough but still annoying.

 

I did notice (after @Mr. Fox noted maybe a clocking issue) that when I run AB, it is locking my clocks to ~2595 when it will normally run 2750-2805 normally for boosting no matter what even after all the updates even running AB stock with just monitoring enabled (except power).

 

I just need to suck it up and platform swap and get it out the way for other testing. I think I'm well enough today to get it started..... 🙂

 

 

 

[tps3443]

I received my 4090 laptop in the mail today. This was purchased with funds intended for an RTX 5090. However, since the RTX 5090 does not actually exist, (I’m not really near any local stores to really buy one) so I just gave up with trying to buy one online, and moved on with life. With my job, I’m finding my self having to stay at my desk 7a-7p. It’s paying well. But getting promoted to an operations manager requires me to play at a level of pure beast mode/be the best mode/no excuses allowed. 😂 So, I really needed a laptop for constant monitoring and check-in’s etc. 
 

First impressions: 

 

incredible panel! 😱 .. It’s just like OLED, maybe even better sometimes since it’s 1,000 nits bright and all.. No back light bleeding anywhere, I don’t even see any glowing at all. It’s 250Hz/ 16:10 aspect ratio, and 2560x1600/ Mini LED. So it’s really beautiful! You can run the brightness on 5% and it looks perfectly normal brightness like a regular monitor lol. 
 

CPU: 14900HX, feels very fast just using the machine. With fans silent it’s idling about 55-60c while downloading a game on Steam. With fans at 100% it’s not too bad. It’s LOUD! But the pitch and tone of the noise doesn’t make it annoying at all. It’s just noisy. But not annoying. 
 

GPU: Haven’t really gotten an opportunity to really use it just yet. But I’m expecting good things. It’s a 175w 4090 Mobile. 
 

Performance: So, I’m not expecting 4090 desktop power here obviously. But, it has DLSS3, and Frame Gen, and it’s 2560x1600! If my old 3090 Kingpin had frame Gen, I’d have never sold it! These are amazing features to have. Since Nvidia and AIB’s a like just recently killed the affordable gaming market for average people like me all together, buying a 4090 laptop seemed like the only way to go. Since even a RTX 5090 laptop MSI Raider will set you back an eye watering $5,000+ after taxes. 

 

Value: It’s a $2,000 dollar laptop. So, I think it’s going to offer a great value for what you get. A whole computer capable of decent gaming performance that is portable. 

 

Overall: This is a BIG laptop being 18 inches. I’ve never owned an 18” laptop before. The screen doesn’t feel like I’m squinting or leaning forward to find things like my last 15” laptop. And the 16:10 offers a little more desktop space to get things done. 
 

 

I really like the machine.

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Thanks brother! I'm hit pretty hard, but nowhere near like in 2020 where I was out of commission for 6 weeks. Interestingly,  I've been rocking this Oura smart ring for over 6 months now and I've had a head cold here, ear infection there, sinus infection, etc... and it hasn't even budged, but this? First time it tripped a biometric alarm/alert letting me know my body is encountering something straining my body majorly and to shut it down. It has tripped 5 days in a row now except finally today it tripped but said the stressors are now minor but still present.

 

This is the sickest I've seen my wife ever in our 28yrs together. She's been to urgent care twice already, loaded to the gills with inhalers, steroids, antibiotic (secondary infection protection), mucinex, coughing liquid AND pill and we're just watching her pulse ox now. If it dips to ~92 or below (currently 95), off to the ER she goes.

 

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The artifacting is so odd because it doesn't do it anywhere else. When I had those dying sticks of memory, artifacting and issues were everywhere and eventually I ended up RMA'ing those set of sticks for a new set and all those original problems went away with a replacement set of 2x32GB sticks except WoW which was suffering the dreaded, "The memory can not be read" error which means either the OC is failing or the memory is failing outright.

 

But this issue is just odd as World of Warcraft just goes bonkers with the 5080 and the 5000 level drivers. It's not a deal breaker as I've just been using Nvidia's performance monitoring software as a stop gap, but it is reproducible consistently even after a clean install. Once I'm back to full(ish) strength, I want to get the 9800X3D set up and see what happens.

 

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I think I can sum up the market right now to me and it is absolute apathy atm. I think I would be a bit more excited if the 5090 was cheaper (better bang:buck) that makes the 4090 and 5080 look like absolutely smokin' values atm (assuming MSRP of course).

 

For the price, I am very curious about the 9070xt and might pick one up if I can snag it for MSRP.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out why this is happening only in WoW and only with AB running. Fallout, Wukong, FF, Deus Ex, 3Dmark, etc...  all work fine.

 

I definitely had a bad/failing set of sticks that was causing crashing/artifacting everywhere and those were RMA'd but this was a timing issue that this is happening now too isolated to WoW (or at least WoW only in regards to my limited test bed of games/benches).

 

Not a deal breaker, as I just use Nvidia's built in tools that work well enough but still annoying.

 

I did notice (after @Mr. Fox noted maybe a clocking issue) that when I run AB, it is locking my clocks to ~2595 when it will normally run 2750-2805 normally for boosting no matter what even after all the updates even running AB stock with just monitoring enabled (except power).

 

I just need to suck it up and platform swap and get it out the way for other testing. I think I'm well enough today to get it started..... 🙂

 

 

 

Man, I will have your family in my prayers for a speedy recovery, brother. Some things like this were an annoyance when we were healthy young people and they hit us harder as we mature, even if we remain very healthy and strong. Our defenses are not as robust as they once were. 

It's a long shot, but rather than assume it is better to ask. By chance have you seen there is an updated version of MSI Afterburner? I did not know until recently because I disable the automatic checking for all OS, drivers, firmware and software updates and never check for updates manually for anything unless I encounter a problem of some sort. I just discovered a week or two ago that there was a more recent version that dropped after RTX 50-series launched.

 

4.6.6 (Beta5) Released : Feb 2025

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's a long shot, but rather than assume it is better to ask. By chance have you seen there is an updated version of MSI Afterburner? I did not know until recently because I disable the automatic checking for all OS, drivers, firmware and software updates and never check for updates manually for anything unless I encounter a problem of some sort. I just discovered a week or two ago that there was a more recent version that dropped after RTX 50-series launched.

 

4.6.6 (Beta5) Released : Feb 2025

 

Most likely MSI Afterburner 4.6.6 Beta 5 Build 16555 from Feb. Aka nothing have changed.

 

No changes in MSI Afterburner itself, the same version was recompiled to increment build number from 16554 to 16555.

 

 

Maybe nvidia have paid the scalper price difference to tackle AMD's launch? Nvidia and its partners (especially nvidia) won't lose much money doing it this way with so few cards at launch in the long run. This will be pennies or better say petty cash from Nvidia's war fund.

 

Several GeForce RTX 5070 Editions Listed On Retailer; Base And OC Editions Priced At MSRP Of $549

 

The latest listings on B&H Photo Video retailer show many custom models of the GPU, mostly from Gigabyte and ASUS, but two are from PNY as well. Typically, vendors launch base and OC models as one can check from the listings, but the surprising thing here is the mentioned MSRP of those GPUs.

 

This time, even the OC models that usually sell for noticeably higher price tags are also listed for the same $549. Currently, out of 10 RTX 5070 GPUs listed on the retailer, four carry price tags.

[tps3443]

Do you all think it is worth buying this extended warranty on this device? It is expiring in a few days. This was an Acer recertified device with a very short warranty. And it is expiring very soon, less than 2 weeks left. 

This extended warranty cost $207 dollars with a promotion through Acer. 

I do not typically buy extended warranties. But, with this being a costly and decent machine and all, I would love to hear input on this. Thanks everyone!

Acer Predator 18”
Mini LED 250hz
Intel 14900HX+RTX4090
32GB DDR5/ 1TB M.2

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Do you all think it is worth buying this extended warranty on this device? It is expiring in a few days. This was an Acer recertified device with a very short warranty. And it is expiring very soon, less than 2 weeks left. 

This extended warranty cost $207 dollars with a promotion through Acer. 

I do not typically buy extended warranties. But, with this being a costly and decent machine and all, I would love to hear input on this. Thanks everyone!

 

Can you afford lose the money if the Jokebook crap out? Modern tiny tech trash is damn fragile. Or just....

 

and see what happens. All six and you may are in luck and can save the money😁

 

 

Exactly. Don't fix it if ain't broken. 

 

 

Fantastic engineering choices...
The worst of all is that Xbox support mentions that it is not possible to revert the firmware installation, so if you install it you will have to wait for them to release another version that fixes it.

 

Xbox controller firmware update causes random movement and it's not stick drift

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Do you all think it is worth buying this extended warranty on this device? It is expiring in a few days. This was an Acer recertified device with a very short warranty. And it is expiring very soon, less than 2 weeks left. 

This extended warranty cost $207 dollars with a promotion through Acer. 

I do not typically buy extended warranties. But, with this being a costly and decent machine and all, I would love to hear input on this. Thanks everyone!

Acer Predator 1
Mini LED 250hz
Intel 14900HX+RTX4090
32GB DDR5/ 1TB M.2

You definitely should. Laptops are very unreliable compared to desktops and the chance that the motherboard will fail is extremely high. You may not be able to buy one and if you could chances are great it would cost more than the value of the laptop. I've seen this happen many times. I don't know why it is recertified but it's not unlikely that it already died once and got fixed, then sold to you. 

 

If you buy it you might never need it. If you don't you absolutely will need it and wish you would have.

[Papusan]

 

Hmmm. Why did jensen lie about 5070 ? Too boost sales from his scam?

 

 

 

 

 

2.5 stars of 5. Fantastic value. I guess people will still buy it at inflated/scalper prices if there is shortage due Nvidia's greed. People are grazy. Sad but true🙁

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 review: A stagnant 'upgrade' but an okay GPU

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. Why did jensen lie about 5070 ? Too boost sales from his scam?

Maybe the bigger question is how you can tell if he is not lying. 🤣 Or, when does he ever tell the truth about anything? He seems to enjoy using scams and gimmicks to sell overpriced NVIDIA products.

 

Here is something different to distract us from Jensen's nonsense.