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10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. You can get overpriced MSRP cards if you follow the shops notifications. I paid $3002 USD for my Astral LC OC card with today's currency exchange. So cheaper than the PNY card I showed above. 

 

But don't expect MSRP for 5090. Even if they have them in stock. And Asus will continue with premium for their best cards. The ROG tax is real. You can't change greed.

 

Let's be honest. Even $3k is too much..... but at this point you just knuckle down and get the card you want....

 

The tariffs are alive and well in the US and may continue to climb.  The dollar is weaker right now. Couple those two things and we have the prices we have atm. The last holdout is Nvidia ironically in the US keeping their $999 and $1999 price points.

 

But tariffs aren't the only reason. Component shortages, demand and good ole fashion greed also play into that equation because other areas aren't experiencing such severe price hikes like GPUs in comparison:

 

Motherboard prices are up too but nowhere near on the same scale as GPUs

 

CPU prices have held relatively the same since last year.

 

Funny enough, last year there were predictions of SSD prices going through the roof but they either stayed about the same or went down.

 

Memory prices are also about the same or have fallen in many areas.....

 

Before we go patting Nvidia on the back for holding steady with their pricing, AIBs also have razor thin margins on GPUs thanks to Nvidia's greed so when AIBs are presented with a valid scenario to raise prices, why not raise them as much as possible as many times as possible?

 

"Greed....is good" - Michael Douglas in Wallstreet

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I do not lol.....

 

Front and side pieces removed. Everything is pretty wide open:

 

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Since this pic, after giving the wifey's system a complete tear down and cleaning when swapping her to the SP109 14900KS, I did the same for mine and put the back rear cover back on for aesthetics but everything else is wide open to the point the heat the 5080 pumps out doesn't even bother my ram even super tight.

 

 


I would add some top exhaust fans and also a rear exhaust fan, doing so works really really well with this FE style cooler. Also, it is pretty cool how your 5080 looks literally identical to a 5090FE lol. Every-time I see a RTX 4080 FE now, I think about how ridiculously massive it is. Maybe they’ll add a new graph to GPU reviews now “FPS to weight ratio” 😂

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I would add some top exhaust fans and also a rear exhaust fan, doing so works really really well with this FE style cooler. Also, it is pretty cool how your 5080 looks literally identical to a 5090FE lol. Every-time I see a RTX 4080 FE now, I think about how ridiculously massive it is. Maybe they’ll add a new graph to GPU reviews now “FPS to weight ratio” 😂

 

Used to do that and there was a massive 2c difference in temps for added noise. I actually removed them (left the bottom fans but they're unplugged) but I might put some 140mm back in as I find the AC 140mm run whisper quiet so why not?

 

Remember before I had the 4090 LC in there.

 

The top and back is so porous that even full tilt, I can stick my hand in the ambient air inside and feel barely any change.

 

Main indicator is memory temps never go over 45c before or after but the 5080 doesn't spit out nearly as much heat as the 5090 FE.

 

If I get an Astral or Suprim 5090 I might change my tune!

 

And visually and dimension wise, the 5080 FE is identical to the 5090 FE. You can't tell the difference until you put them on a scale and/or notice the 5080 badge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Used to do that and there was a massive 2c difference in temps for added noise. I actually removed them (left the bottom fans but they're unplugged) but I might put some 140mm back in as I find the AC 140mm run whisper quiet so why not?

 

Remember before I had the 4090 LC in there.

 

The top and back is so porous that even full tilt, I can stick my hand in the ambient air inside and feel barely any change.

 

Main indicator is memory temps never go over 45c before or after but the 5080 doesn't spit out nearly as much heat as the 5090 FE.

 

If I get an Astral or Suprim 5090 I might change my tune!

 

And visually and dimension wise, the 5080 FE is identical to the 5090 FE. You can't tell the difference until you put them on a scale and/or notice the 5080 badge.

 

 

 

 

 

 


You’ve got a big case so that’s good. So it should run cool inside with full fans and a shut door. My 5090FE runs very cool in a closed case. I want more fans though. I want to put (4) fans under the 5090, and also (4) fans in the front of my case. 
 

I think (4) bottom intake fans, and (4) top exhaust fans is all you need. I’m going to follow same concept, but I’m going to add a 3rd 480mm radiator to the bottom below the 5090 so air flow is like this ^ ^ ^ ^

 

I really like the idea of cases now lol. 

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8 hours ago, tps3443 said:


You should grab an Optimus pad for your 5090 backplate. You’ll see big temp gains. Less messy than putty. 

 

i was actually thinking about a complete backside thermal pad... putty is more messy but also "more good" 😄 plus no need for additional maintenance, one and done. atm im planning to go all in with Thermal Grizzly, Duronaut on the core and Putty Pro on everything else. Should be a fun little side project. but ill do full stock benches and temps first before i go ahead with that.

 

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. You can get overpriced MSRP cards if you follow the shops notifications. I paid $3002 USD for my Astral LC OC card with today's currency exchange. So cheaper than the PNY card I showed above. 

 

But don't expect MSRP for 5090. Even if they have them in stock. And Asus will continue with premium for their best cards. The ROG tax is real. You can't change greed.

 

pretty comparable then, i got the Suprim Air for 2970 USD before taxes.  not ideal by any stretch of the imagination but "only" 270 USD / +10% above the currently listed MSRP in the MSI store at 2700 USD. i can live with that...

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Hey guys so a bit of a privileged problem hoping you guys can give me some insight. 

 

I have an old SLI board with a system that is basically already running iirc z97 Krait SLI. Sits in the garage now.

 

So heres the hypothetical. 

 

I still have my 9700F, 4x8GB 2666Mhz SO-DIMMS, some storage from my P750DM-G that has a bad GPU (MXM 1080). I was thinking to swap from parts around. Make the 9700F the new basis for a benching rig, if so then I would move the sodimms to the 10850K (using an adapter) on unraid to give it 32GB and move the 16GB 4400Mhz RAM to the 9700F. 

I would likely be looking at the Asus Z390-A or the Aorus Master since both can use x8/x8 for CFX/SLI.

 

Or should I just not waste any time and effort, revive the old z97 system for purely GPU benchmarks? 

Not sure if the 4790K can effectively push GTX 690 Quad-SLI. 

 

Thanks in advance fellas

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6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i was actually thinking about a complete backside thermal pad... putty is more messy but also "more good" 😄 plus no need for additional maintenance, one and done. atm im planning to go all in with Thermal Grizzly, Duronaut on the core and Putty Pro on everything else. Should be a fun little side project. but ill do full stock benches and temps first before i go ahead with that.

 

 

pretty comparable then, i got the Suprim Air for 2970 USD before taxes.  not ideal by any stretch of the imagination but "only" 270 USD / +10% above the currently listed MSRP in the MSI store at 2700 USD. i can live with that...


I’m going to pull my 5090FE backplate off at some point. Maybe this weekend. I have a Fujipoly full coverage 3mm ultra soft. I only need like half of it. I thought about re-doing the Liquid Metal with Conductonaut Extreme, but I think Nvidia already did an amazing job. They had to have researched this and put some engineering behind the LM application. So, if the GPU core is running 65C, the hot air blowing off the card is 60C. This tells me contact is good. The only downside to the is they make a GPU greasy. When the pad heats up, oils come off from the thermal pad sweating. Permanent layer of grease that’ll never come off the GPU again. My 3090KP HydroCopper was literally waterproof from it. Even tooth brush and 99% alcohol wont take it off. But it’s clear, so not a huge deal. 

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So I scored a Gigabyte 9070xt from BB that was delivered today. With discounts and rewards = $739 after tax. Not doing back flips over this one, but could be much worse.

 

qRPz1CP.jpg

 

Can't wait to dig in on this one next week and run some tests with WoW in my known testing spots to see how it fairs against the 5080 and 4090 data.

 

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I also snagged an Astral 5090 on BB

 

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Total price after rewards and discounts = 3403.46.

 

Seriously on the fence about this one, lol.

 

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys so a bit of a privileged problem hoping you guys can give me some insight. 

 

I have an old SLI board with a system that is basically already running iirc z97 Krait SLI. Sits in the garage now.

 

So heres the hypothetical. 

 

I still have my 9700F, 4x8GB 2666Mhz SO-DIMMS, some storage from my P750DM-G that has a bad GPU (MXM 1080). I was thinking to swap from parts around. Make the 9700F the new basis for a benching rig, if so then I would move the sodimms to the 10850K (using an adapter) on unraid to give it 32GB and move the 16GB 4400Mhz RAM to the 9700F. 

I would likely be looking at the Asus Z390-A or the Aorus Master since both can use x8/x8 for CFX/SLI.

 

Or should I just not waste any time and effort, revive the old z97 system for purely GPU benchmarks? 

Not sure if the 4790K can effectively push GTX 690 Quad-SLI. 

 

Thanks in advance fellas

 

If the 10850k is your best CPU, that has to be the benching rig CPU with hopefully decent (>=3600) DDR4 sticks. I can't see regressing to a 9700F for a benching rig but that's just me.

 

38 minutes ago, tps3443 said:


I’m going to pull my 5090FE backplate off at some point. Maybe this weekend. I have a Fujipoly full coverage 3mm ultra soft. I only need like half of it. I thought about re-doing the Liquid Metal with Conductonaut Extreme, but I think Nvidia already did an amazing job. They had to have researched this and put some engineering behind the LM application. So, if the GPU core is running 65C, the hot air blowing off the card is 60C. This tells me contact is good. The only downside to the is they make a GPU greasy. When the pad heats up, oils come off from the thermal pad sweating. Permanent layer of grease that’ll never come off the GPU again. My 3090KP HydroCopper was literally waterproof from it. Even tooth brush and 99% alcohol wont take it off. But it’s clear, so not a huge deal. 

 

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The march to an EK block.....

 

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ASUS COULDN'T AFFORD SEND WITH A FEW SCREWS FOR THEIR $3000 FLAGSHIP GRAPHICS CARD. But I got a useless badge/button intended for gamer kids with ROG stamped in gold on. Stupids. Yup, I had to use tape. So this won't look pretty. And the 55cm tubes is barely long enough to put the radiator on top of the big black box😎 

 

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Barely time for testing. Right now I haven't much time for this. The card have been in the box since I bought it. The tests is done with stock voltage. Not so sure putting the voltage slider to 100% or 1.100V will help much with the power cap from Nvidia.  

 

All above me have the XOC vbios and only for the chosen ones. And the worst part... Friends of the fab clockers get their XOC firmware. Yup, only for the chosen ones. Oh'well, the results is still ok with vanilla firmware and tape😎

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5812214?recalculate=true

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https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_32b/submissions/5812213?recalculate=true

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1 hour ago, tps3443 said:


I’m going to pull my 5090FE backplate off at some point. Maybe this weekend. I have a Fujipoly full coverage 3mm ultra soft. I only need like half of it. I thought about re-doing the Liquid Metal with Conductonaut Extreme, but I think Nvidia already did an amazing job. They had to have researched this and put some engineering behind the LM application. So, if the GPU core is running 65C, the hot air blowing off the card is 60C. This tells me contact is good. The only downside to the is they make a GPU greasy. When the pad heats up, oils come off from the thermal pad sweating. Permanent layer of grease that’ll never come off the GPU again. My 3090KP HydroCopper was literally waterproof from it. Even tooth brush and 99% alcohol wont take it off. But it’s clear, so not a huge deal. 

 

afaik the 50 series cards with LM preapplied actually source their stuff from Thermal Grizzly. Roman did an LM analysis and found that its basically identical to Conductonaut Extreme 😄 (im hoping they did indeed source the LM from TG and didnt just reproduce it by themselves 😛 wouldnt put it past them....)

anyways, point being that u likely wont see much difference with a reapplication 🙂 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I also snagged an Astral 5090 on BB

 

image.thumb.png.f96fa91fded813b7822c8ba4e25cbea9.png

 

Total price after rewards and discounts = 3403.46.

 

Seriously on the fence about this one, lol.

 

 

If the 10850k is your best CPU, that has to be the benching rig CPU with hopefully decent (>=3600) DDR4 sticks. I can't see regressing to a 9700F for a benching rig but that's just me.

 

 

And it starts.....

 

The march to an EK block.....

 

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ha, almost spot on same pricing after taxes as in my case 😄 starting to see a pattern here with @Papusan me and you 😛 

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7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

ASUS COULDN'T AFFORD SEND WITH A FEW SCREWS FOR THEIR $3000 FLAGSHIP GRAPHICS CARD. But I got a useless badge/button intended for gamer kids with ROG stamped in gold on. Stupids. Yup, I had to use tape. So this won't look pretty. And the 55cm tubes is barely long enough to put the radiator on top of the big black box😎 

 

SCL2r0m.jpg

 

 

Barely time for testing. Right now I haven't much time for this. The card have been in the box since I bought it. The tests is done with stock voltage. Not so sure putting the voltage slider to 100% or 1.100V will help much with the power cap from Nvidia.  

 

All above me have the XOC vbios and only for the chosen ones. And the worst part... Friends of the fab clockers get their XOC firmware. Yup, only for the chosen ones. Oh'well, the results is still ok with vanilla firmware and tape😎

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5812214?recalculate=true

3329183

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_32b/submissions/5812213?recalculate=true

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When you get the XOC bios let me know. I want to try one. I’ve got to say though these cards can fit a lot in their power limit of 600w.  When gaming we can add a very high positive offset to the core and memory, and even playing Cyberpunk they are pretty efficient using no more power than a 4090 would. The silicon seems to be good. When we overclock the GPU, the clocks go up, and the voltages go down to fit inside of power constraints. Unless of course it’s a power virus load that forces clocks to go down. 

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9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So I scored a Gigabyte 9070xt from BB that was delivered today. With discounts and rewards = $739 after tax. Not doing back flips over this one, but could be much worse.

 

qRPz1CP.jpg

 

Can't wait to dig in on this one next week and run some tests with WoW in my known testing spots to see how it fairs against the 5080 and 4090 data.

 

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I also snagged an Astral 5090 on BB

 

image.thumb.png.f96fa91fded813b7822c8ba4e25cbea9.png

 

Total price after rewards and discounts = 3403.46.

 

Seriously on the fence about this one, lol.

 

 

If the 10850k is your best CPU, that has to be the benching rig CPU with hopefully decent (>=3600) DDR4 sticks. I can't see regressing to a 9700F for a benching rig but that's just me.

 

 

And it starts.....

 

The march to an EK block.....

 

🤣

The board I have only does x8/x4 for CFX/SLI which is why I am not considering it for gpu benchmarking. 

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1 hour ago, Reciever said:

The board I have only does x8/x4 for CFX/SLI which is why I am not considering it for gpu benchmarking. 

Sadly, I think most motherboards are made that way now. Too many PCIe lanes are being robbed for silly things that don't matter to most PC enthusiasts and gamers, such as Gen5 NVMe and USB4. The motherboard manufacturers have lost touch with what actually matters to most of us. (They probably also do not care.) Not only do they fail to understand the difference between overclockers and gamers, they fail to identify the difference between a turdbook owner that wants to attempt to mitigate their disaster with the help of an e-GPU (a legit use for USB4/Thunderbolt) versus a person that builds a desktop with all of the right stuff and values having more control over what their money buys (or doesn't buy).

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Sadly, I think most motherboards are made that way now. Too many PCIe lanes are being robbed for silly things that don't matter to most PC enthusiasts and gamers, such as Gen5 NVMe and USB4. The motherboard manufacturers have lost touch with what actually matters to most of us. (They probably also do not care.) Not only do they fail to understand the difference between overclockers and gamers, they fail to identify the difference between a turdbook owner that wants to attempt to mitigate their disaster with the help of an e-GPU (a legit use for USB4/Thunderbolt) versus a person that builds a desktop with all of the right stuff and values having more control over what their money buys (or doesn't buy).

Well to be fair I was using this board fkr a different purpose originally and even now still serves well under unraid. That being said it why I haven't considered it for use with gpu benching. 

 

At least the z390-a and aorus master are wired for 16x or 8x/8x. 

 

Just curious if it's worth the hassle versus the z97 krait Ali board considering it's age. At least it's 8x/8x just quite a bit older now. I'll probably give it a shot and see what the results look like 

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ASUS COULDN'T AFFORD SEND WITH A FEW SCREWS FOR THEIR $3000 FLAGSHIP GRAPHICS CARD. But I got a useless badge/button intended for gamer kids with ROG stamped in gold on. Stupids. Yup, I had to use tape. So this won't look pretty. And the 55cm tubes is barely long enough to put the radiator on top of the big black box😎 

 

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Barely time for testing. Right now I haven't much time for this. The card have been in the box since I bought it. The tests is done with stock voltage. Not so sure putting the voltage slider to 100% or 1.100V will help much with the power cap from Nvidia.  

 

All above me have the XOC vbios and only for the chosen ones. And the worst part... Friends of the fab clockers get their XOC firmware. Yup, only for the chosen ones. Oh'well, the results is still ok with vanilla firmware and tape😎

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_1b/submissions/5812214?recalculate=true

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https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/gpupi_v3.3_-_32b/submissions/5812213?recalculate=true

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All it takes is ***ONE*** leak of the XOC vBIOS and we all win! 😁

 

Unless like I said before the vBIOS is tied directly to the software and individually encoded upping security from last time.

 

11 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

afaik the 50 series cards with LM preapplied actually source their stuff from Thermal Grizzly. Roman did an LM analysis and found that its basically identical to Conductonaut Extreme 😄 (im hoping they did indeed source the LM from TG and didnt just reproduce it by themselves 😛 wouldnt put it past them....)

anyways, point being that u likely wont see much difference with a reapplication 🙂 

 

 

ha, almost spot on same pricing after taxes as in my case 😄 starting to see a pattern here with @Papusan me and you 😛 

 

We know @tps3443 is gonna end up getting an EK Block at a minimum and adding it into his loop at a minimum. He might even spin up the CHILLAH!!! to really get it going. 🤣

 

And yeah, the pattern is prison rules are now in effect for 5090 AIBs.... 🤔

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, I think most motherboards are made that way now. Too many PCIe lanes are being robbed for silly things that don't matter to most PC enthusiasts and gamers, such as Gen5 NVMe and USB4. The motherboard manufacturers have lost touch with what actually matters to most of us. (They probably also do not care.) Not only do they fail to understand the difference between overclockers and gamers, they fail to identify the difference between a turdbook owner that wants to attempt to mitigate their disaster with the help of an e-GPU (a legit use for USB4/Thunderbolt) versus a person that builds a desktop with all of the right stuff and values having more control over what their money buys (or doesn't buy).

 

Unfortunately this has been going on for quite awhile now. I can't fault the bean counters. It is their job. They just respond to market conditions while topping it off with as many cost cutting measures as they can get away with to continue to pad the bottom line while inching prices upward till they get their hand slapped.

 

I've always been content as long as they at least also offer a few top end enthusiast parts while flooding the market with the other bits. Apex motherboards and Astral cards at least from Asus have some of those properties (along with the Asus tax).

 

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And as expected, the 5090 mobile is going to be very underwhelming vs the 4090 mobile because, well, physics. Decent rationale as to why DLSS and FG matter in laptops because you can't slap a 575w part in a 175w envelope. He even touches on the older laptops and how thick and big they were that could handle more power and heat with their dual adapters and such:

 

 

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Hmmm. Can this  be this weekends biggest Joke? $3150 with less rops but with higher price than 5090 MSRP ? Will people buy this type cards?--- See edit. And could  this be a great buy if the prices was 5080 MSRP ? Aka $999

 

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Nvidia RTX 5090 cards with missing ROPs are being sold as 'B-stock'

 

And Intel. Don't want spend silicon wafers for gamer cards. Do people really buy Intel products nowadays? 

No Arc B770, Intel reportedly cancels Battlemage's top-of-the-line line

Edit. Close to 60% would buy it. What with you @Mr. Fox🧐 ? Defective cards priced above MSRP. B-stock doesn't always mean you get it cheap.

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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

And as expected, the 5090 mobile is going to be very underwhelming vs the 4090 mobile because, well, physics. Decent rationale as to why DLSS and FG matter in laptops because you can't slap a 575w part in a 175w envelope. He even touches on the older laptops and how thick and big they were that could handle more power and heat with their dual adapters and such:

 

And on top same/similar problems as with the desktop cards... Nvidia put all their resources on data center chips. 

 

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2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Close to 60% would buy it. What with you @Mr. Fox🧐 ? Defective cards priced above MSRP. B-stock doesn't always mean you get it cheap.

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Um. No. Not even if it were below MSRP.

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Hmmm. Can this  be this weekends biggest Joke? $3150 with less rops but with higher price than 5090 MSRP ? Will people buy this type cards?--- See edit. And could  this be a great buy if the prices was 5080 MSRP ? Aka $999

 

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Nvidia RTX 5090 cards with missing ROPs are being sold as 'B-stock'

 

 

$999? Heck $1499.99 I would snatch up a 5090 with missing ROPS ASAP.

 

Anything above that? Nope.

 

$3150 is hilariously funny.

 

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia RTX 5090 cards with missing ROPs are being sold as 'B-stock'

 

And Intel. Don't want spend silicon wafers for gamer cards. Do people really buy Intel products nowadays? 

No Arc B770, Intel reportedly cancels Battlemage's top-of-the-line line

 

 

 

I suspect they can't really compete against the 5070 and especially the 9070xt.....

 

B580 is a unicorn in price:performance (assuming you have somewhat decent modern hardware).

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

And on top same/similar problems as with the desktop cards... Nvidia put all their resources on data center chips. 

 

 

Nvidia is making money hand over fist and we know anything not AI is cutting into their potential overall profitability but they have to keep AMD and to a much lesser extent Intel honest. They know they can't just abandon the gamer market outright because AI could contract at any given time and they will need that gamer/prosumer market to still be intact and valid.

 

Their $8600+ card is getting all that 5090ti love we will never see.

 

Want the best for the next 2-3yrs? Suck it up and get a 5090. 😞

 

 

 

 

 

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Um. No. Not even if it were below MSRP.

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well technically that would qualify as a new tier between 5090 and 5080, say a 5080 Ti SuperDuper ROPless edition?! 😂 if its pricing is settled somewhere between 999 and 1999 then sure why not. in the end its all about pricing.

 

so finally getting around to some tuning time with my 9950X3D. able to boot FCLK 2200, thats a good sign. havent checked for full stability yet, want to get a feel of the landscape firsr. at first i could only get 2133 to boot but was able to massage 2200 into booting via upping PLL and VDDG voltages. actually first time that upping VDDG did anything for me 😄

 

now doing quick n dirty boot tests for max DDR5 frequencies. see if im rather limited by the board, the sticks or the CPU IMC. lets see if i can finally get 8000 stable or maybe even 8200 to boot...fingers crossed boiz!

 

oh and a quick update on my suprim 5090 order: shop got back to me and confirmed that next shipment from MSI should arrive at their shop beginning of april 🙂 that i can live with if its just +/- a week or so. just wanted to make sure its not several months or anything crazy like that....

 

edit: cool, just booted DDR5-8100 🙂 looks like they now have finer grained frequency steps starting with 8000. 8200 still no go, unfortunately.

 

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now lets see how far i can push FCLK 😄

 

edit 2: nope, topping out at 2200. now lets test for stability....

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3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

$999? Heck $1499.99 I would snatch up a 5090 with missing ROPS ASAP.

 

Anything above that? Nope.

 

$3150 is hilariously funny.

 

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

well technically that would qualify as a new tier between 5090 and 5080, say a 5080 Ti SuperDuper ROPless edition?! 😂 if its pricing is settled somewhere between 999 and 1999 then sure why not. in the end its all about pricing.

To me it is not about price as much as the philosophical intelligence (or rather the lack thereof) in allowing the Green Goblin to reward themselves by selling these defective samples instead of taking a financial blood bath on it. I'd rather see them lose their a$$ financially and draw back an infected bloody stump. Even if they sold them for $1200-$1500 I think they would still profit rather than suffer financial losses. They just wouldn't sell for 200~300% of their actual value. The one that stands to profit most should also incur the greatest losses when their failures fly in the face of the hype and chaos their aberrant behavior has both caused and promoted. I'd love to see every company involved in AI development start incurring gigantic and staggeringly severe financial losses that will cause them tremendous pain and suffering.

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To me it is not about price as much as the philosophical intelligence (or rather the lack thereof) in allowing the Green Goblin to reward themselves by selling these defective samples instead of taking a financial blood bath on it. I'd rather see them lose their a$$ financially and draw back an infected bloody stump. Even if they sold them for $1200-$1500 I think they would still profit rather than suffer financial losses. They just wouldn't sell for 200~300% of their actual value.

 

yes ofc even with the right price itll leave a very bad aftertaste in your mouth..... urgh

 

on a brighter note, can confirm that FCLK 2200 is stable on my sample 🙂 

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45 minutes ago, Papusan said:

bro papu is getting familiar with his new toy 😁

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2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

bro papu is getting familiar with his new toy 😁

 

Yeah he is!

 

Very nice @Papusan!

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