*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

X670E Gene, Trident Z5 EXPO 6000 CL23 RAM and IceMan RAM block sold. Boxed, labeled and ready for UPS tomorrow.

 

I will be ordering an Alphacool CORE block for the AORUS ELITE 9070 XT. It needs it. Real bad. Looks like they are projected to be 6 to 8 weeks (in production). Air cooling is not my friend. The Arizona heat and absence of humidity (especially) doesn't play nice with air cooling. 

[electrosoft]

Playing some WoW switching between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt and Astral 5090 still seeing if I could get by with the 9070xt to tide me over as my primary GPU and wait on a cheaper 5090 and return the Astral (I have till the 3rd) and some of the newer areas the performance difference is just savage.

 

In many of the areas out questing and doing dailies, I'm getting 70fps with the 9070xt capped at 99% even on a 12700kf and in the same exact area on the Astral 5090 with a 9800X3D tuned up  I'm getting 186fps and 93% utilization. Just brutal stuff like this happens all the time in open areas playing and questing. I routinely look up at the OSD and the 9070xt is huffing and puffing at 99% with sub 90fps and the 5090 is wanting for more sitting at 50-60% utilization at 120-130fps+ looking at the 9800X3D going, "common bro...."

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

X670E Gene, Trident Z5 EXPO 6000 CL23 RAM and IceMan RAM block sold. Boxed, labeled and ready for UPS tomorrow.

 

I will be ordering an Alphacool CORE block for the AORUS ELITE 9070 XT. It needs it. Real bad. Looks like they are projected to be 6 to 8 weeks (in production). Air cooling is not my friend. The Arizona heat and absence of humidity (especially) doesn't play nice with air cooling. 

 

Whew, that moved quick!

 

Quick sale on AMD stuff these days but Intel stuff, even the 14th/13th gen goodies, lag. Who wudda thunk it? I think it is AMD being overall the better choice to many, degrading fears and many do not want delidded CPUs for their use (maybe warranty fears). At a certain price point, many buyers are just going to pick up a 9800X3D/9950X3D or go buy a boxed CPU unless the SP is really good. As always, eventually buyers will mosey on by.....

 

Will it fit the Gaming OC line too? I agree on the temps. 9070xt is a hot and heavy beast including Gigabyte's cards. Memory and hot spot temps are crazy hot. Both I've had and have ran/run pretty toasty.

 

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Will it fit the Gaming OC line too? I agree on the temps. 9070xt is a hot and heavy beast including Gigabyte's cards. Memory and hot spot temps are crazy hot. Both I've had and have ran/run pretty toasty.

Yes, it does. I think they might be the same PCB. I have emailed Titan Rig to see if they can get it rather than ordering it directly from Alphacool. Alphacool has blocks for like 17 different 9070 XT models. I think it is a Radeon trait and they all run hot. They use surprisingly high memory voltage on the 9070 XT, maybe to clock the memory higher to help make up the difference using slower VRAM than NVIDIA. The 6900 XT that I had still ran hot even on water, just not as insanely hot. But hotter than I had ever seen on water before.

 

https://shop.alphacool.com/shop/gpu-wasserkuehlung/amd/14780-alphacool-core-rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-mit-backplate

 

Edit: Looks like I have an interested buyer for one of the 14900KF now.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:23 AM by Mr. Fox
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[electrosoft]

I just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Windforce 5090 for $2639.99.

 

If it turns out to be a decent card (IE no or low coil whine which is all I care about really), I'll return the Astral and pocket the ~$800 difference as for what I do it will get me what I want and slap that $800 back in my pocket. It's priced closer to an FE than an Astral.

 

Astral is a monster, don't get me wrong with a top Voltage range of 1.110 and satisfies every thing I could want in a 5090 except the price. If everything works out as planned, if one of you (this thread only) wants it for exactly what I paid ($3582.59) + S&H, let me know else back it goes by next Sunday no harm; no foul. I won't sell it on OC. I'll just return it and avoid the headaches from over there.

 

I'm also going to be testing a few sub $200 budget x870 boards  and maybe selling off the Crosshair too while I finish setting up these two other systems to sell off a bunch of my other parts laying around. Time to reel this ship back in a bit. 🙂

 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it does. I think they might be the same PCB. I have emailed Titan Rig to see if they can get it rather than ordering it directly from Alphacool. Alphacool has blocks for like 17 different 9070 XT models. I think it is a Radeon trait and they all run hot. They use surprisingly high memory voltage on the 9070 XT, maybe to clock the memory higher to help make up the difference using slower VRAM than NVIDIA. The 6900 XT that I had still ran hot even on water, just not as insanely hot. But hotter than I had ever seen on water before.

 

https://shop.alphacool.com/shop/gpu-wasserkuehlung/amd/14780-alphacool-core-rx-9070-xt-aorus-elite-mit-backplate

 

Edit: Looks like I have an interested buyer for one of the 14900KF now.

 

 

Yeah, I double checked and it is 100% compatible so most likely identical PCBs but better cooling on the elite. It doesn't list the normal 9070xt gaming though which is odd unless there's a difference between them. I do have the OC though.

 

One down, a few more to go. They will sell. It is just AMD is "hot" right now and moves much quicker, but outside of a few grossly overpriced samples, the 13th and 14th stuff does move and your chips are priced nicely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Whew, that moved quick!

 

no surprise there, reputable seller with top notch wares and awesome pricing 🙂 if only bro fox was located a bit closed id shop at "Mr. Fox Rox Hardware Shop" way more frequently 😄 

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Windforce 5090 for $2639.99.

 

If it turns out to be a decent card (IE no or low coil whine which is all I care about really), I'll return the Astral and pocket the ~$800 difference as for what I do it will get me what I want and slap that $800 back in my pocket. It's priced closer to an FE than an Astral.

 

Astral is a monster, don't get me wrong with a top Voltage range of 1.110 and satisfies every thing I could want in a 5090 except the price. If everything works out as planned, if one of you (this thread only) wants it for exactly what I paid ($3582.59) + S&H, let me know else back it goes by next Sunday no harm; no foul. I won't sell it on OC. I'll just return it and avoid the headaches from over there.

 

I'm also going to be testing a few sub $200 budget x870 boards  and maybe selling off the Crosshair too while I finish setting up these two other systems to sell off a bunch of my other parts laying around. Time to reel this ship back in a bit. 🙂

 

uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring? hows the cooling and voltage range on the new card?

 

ill continue the RAM binning today, two more kits currently incoming. that leaves one last kit that hasnt yet shipped from the respective shop.

will likely start the return process today for the "loser kits" 😄 and also did a first pricing check on fleabay for my current Teamgroup 8200 kit. ill finish up the tightening of subtimings on the TG kit to get some AIDA64 baseline numbers to compare with the new 8000 speed, should be interesting!

 

speaking of fleabay, just sold my 7950X yesterday to a dude in croatia for about 90% of the current new in box pricing, cant complain!

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring?

 

The Astral is still high priced here home. More like $3195 (but still much cheaper then US). The TUF and a similar other 5090s dippping around $2200 now. Seen it down to $2140.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

no surprise there, reputable seller with top notch wares and awesome pricing 🙂 if only bro fox was located a bit closed id shop at "Mr. Fox Rox Hardware Shop" way more frequently 😄 

 

 

uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring? hows the cooling and voltage range on the new card?

 

ill continue the RAM binning today, two more kits currently incoming. that leaves one last kit that hasnt yet shipped from the respective shop.

will likely start the return process today for the "loser kits" 😄 and also did a first pricing check on fleabay for my current Teamgroup 8200 kit. ill finish up the tightening of subtimings on the TG kit to get some AIDA64 baseline numbers to compare with the new 8000 speed, should be interesting!

 

speaking of fleabay, just sold my 7950X yesterday to a dude in croatia for about 90% of the current new in box pricing, cant complain!

 

Yeah, going for best bang:buck, but my wife legitimately had me cracking up over our morning coffee/tea.

 

"I ordered a different cheaper 5090"

"The GPU thingy?"

"Yeah"

"Why?"

"Because it will net me the bulk of the 5090 at almost $800 cheaper"

"So less than the cost of us going to Disney for one day in February?" (I can sense where this is going)

"I guess so..."

"And what if this card isn't 'perfect' like the one you have now as you've said a few dozen times"

"I'll return it..."

"and keep the the current one?"

"Prolly or try another and I'll have to return it by then so it will be gone"

<Audible Sigh on her part>

"What?"

"Can't you just enjoy it? You're like the most financially responsible person I've ever met even to your own demise"

"Huh?"

"Because if you end up having to return it during your 'Let's make a Deal!' swap fest, what if you never get another as good as this one? Am I gonna have to hear it on the regular?"

"Prolly"

"Just keep the damn card. Please. You even said in a few years you'll be able to sell it and get back everything most likely"

"It's called an Astral by the way..." (in my snootiest voice possible)

<Slow Eye Roll>

"Why the eye roll" (We're both starting to crack up at this point)

"Because you lucked out, first time, on this GPU thingy"

"An Astral"

"An 'Astral' (with finger quotes) that as you put it is 'firing on all cylinders' (more finger quotes) with zero problems and you're going to jump through hoops over $800 to chance receiving a not so good card over and over again if ever again?"

"Yeah, but $800....."

<Slow sip with eye roll and sigh>

<Laughter for the next few minutes>

 

She is right though. I'm going to try ONE Windforce since it is the cheapest one on the market outside of the FE but a traditional AIB model and I will have time to try and return it before I'd have to return the Astral.

 

I have zero complaints about this Astral except the price and I do get her reasoning. 🤣

 

Clocks high

High voltage max (1.110)

Does +3000

Build quality is lights out

love the aesthetics (understatement)

runs quiet

low to no coil whine (have to have the room dead silent to find it even the gpu fans)

real time per pin monitoring

High voltage waiting for an XOC leak

Chonker heatsink shown to be able to handle the XOC bios quite nicely for some use

 

Just hate the price.

 

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

The Astral is still high priced here home. More like $3195 (but still much cheaper then US). The TUF and a similar other 5090s dippping around $2200 now. Seen it down to $2140.

 

Yeah, the pricing is still high here but cards are coming into stock much faster across the board and staying in stock for many models (I'm looking at you PNY).

[jaybee83]

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800.

Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average!

 

So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛).

 

so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! it certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 

 

now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 

 

conclusion for now:

4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit)

4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s

1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s

 

Notes:

Striked through: Out of the race

Blue: current champ

Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%)

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%)

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800.

Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average!

 

So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛).

 

so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! i certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 

 

now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 

 

conclusion for now:

4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit)

4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s

1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s

 

Notes:

Striked through: Out of the race

Blue: current champ

Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%)

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%)

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

You would be surprised how many people I have told this to that do not believe me, LOL. It is absolutely for real a lottery, in some ways even worse than the CPU lottery. Only about one in five or six memory kits I have owned (DDR4 and DDR5) have actually worked correctly at their advertised speeds with default XMP profiles, etc. and only one out of two that did work correctly as advertised were actually worth keeping for overclocking. So, about 2 out of 10 that worked as advertised with 1 of those 2 samples actually being good enough to keep and not RMA for a refund. I have returned more garbage memory kits than I can keep track of.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You would be surprised how many people I have told this to that do not believe me, LOL. It is absolutely for real a lottery, in some ways even worse that the CPU lottery. Only about one in five or six memory kits I have owned (DDR4 and DDR5) have actually worked correctly at their advertised speeds with default XMP profiles, etc. and only one out of two that did work correctly as advertised were actually worth keeping for overclocking. So, about 2 out of 10 that worked as advertised with 1 of those 2 samples actually being good enough to keep and not RMA for a refund. I have returned more garbage memory kits than I can keep track of.

 

im guessing the disbelief stems from the marketing, in that those high speed RAM kits basically come "pre-binned" from the factory. only issue being that as opposed to binned GPUs or CPUs, theres much more at play here in terms of mobo / CPU IMC / firmware / user tuning capabilities, so way more factors to consider in being able to reach those advertized speeds.

i for one am reaaaaally happy that my CPU / mobo combo is indeed capable of 8000(+) speeds 🙂 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800.

Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average!

 

So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛).

 

so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! it certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 

 

now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 

 

conclusion for now:

4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit)

4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s

1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s

 

Notes:

Striked through: Out of the race

Blue: current champ

Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%)

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%)

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

 

All that is guaranteed (assuming compatibility) is what is stamped on the boxes regardless whether it is memory, CPUs or GPUs.

 

For memory, you have to toss in MB compatibility and IMC along with other things on top of it.

 

But yeah, when I grabbed some Patriot 8200 kits before that couldn't even do 7800 TM5 30 minute let alone 90 or Karhu on my SP109 + Asrock Z790i but turned right around ordered TG 8200 that worked no problem up to 8600 and could post 8800.

 

Same problem binning B-die sticks too especially when it gets to voltages and timings. Same kits but others could go well beyond the others.

 

Crazy.

 

But good set of data to chew on!

 

Glad out of all of that a set emerged that could do 8000!

 

 

[Clamibot]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

All that is guaranteed (assuming compatibility) is what is stamped on the boxes regardless whether it is memory, CPUs or GPUs.

 

For memory, you have to toss in MB compatibility and IMC along with other things on top of it.

 

But yeah, when I grabbed some Patriot 8200 kits before that couldn't even do 7800 TM5 30 minute let alone 90 or Karhu on my SP109 + Asrock Z790i but turned right around ordered TG 8200 that worked no problem up to 8600 and could post 8800.

 

Same problem binning B-die sticks too especially when it gets to voltages and timings. Same kits but others could go well beyond the others.

 

Crazy.

 

But good set of data to chew on!

 

Glad out of all of that a set emerged that could do 8000!

 

 

 

Yup, I can attest to this. My DDR4 kit I have in my older desktop (with the super bin 10900K from bro Fox) can do 4400 MHz CL 15 with default XMP subtimings as long as I have my Noctua IPPC fans blowing on the sticks at max RPM (3000 RPM). If I use lesser fans, the sticks aren't stable even with the normal 4000 MHz XMP profile as the RAM can't be kept cool enough to not error out. No wonder the previous owner waterblocked these sticks. The 4000 MHz CL 14 kit costed double what this kit did at the time I bought this kit, so I went with this kit instead and am still satisfied with having the second best. It looks like it can definitely still be pushed further with better cooling.

 

I typically do 4200 MHz as a daily driver speed as that is the best compromise between performance and stability (barring better cooling). A 5% overclock over XMP isn't bad given it was a brute force approach and I'm not experienced with RAM overclocking.

[tps3443]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I just pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Windforce 5090 for $2639.99.

 

If it turns out to be a decent card (IE no or low coil whine which is all I care about really), I'll return the Astral and pocket the ~$800 difference as for what I do it will get me what I want and slap that $800 back in my pocket. It's priced closer to an FE than an Astral.

 

Astral is a monster, don't get me wrong with a top Voltage range of 1.110 and satisfies every thing I could want in a 5090 except the price. If everything works out as planned, if one of you (this thread only) wants it for exactly what I paid ($3582.59) + S&H, let me know else back it goes by next Sunday no harm; no foul. I won't sell it on OC. I'll just return it and avoid the headaches from over there.

 

I'm also going to be testing a few sub $200 budget x870 boards  and maybe selling off the Crosshair too while I finish setting up these two other systems to sell off a bunch of my other parts laying around. Time to reel this ship back in a bit. 🙂

 

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Yeah, I double checked and it is 100% compatible so most likely identical PCBs but better cooling on the elite. It doesn't list the normal 9070xt gaming though which is odd unless there's a difference between them. I do have the OC though.

 

One down, a few more to go. They will sell. It is just AMD is "hot" right now and moves much quicker, but outside of a few grossly overpriced samples, the 13th and 14th stuff does move and your chips are priced nicely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m kinda surprised you’re entertaining another 5090. I don’t think you’re gonna like the Gigabyte though, you’re probably already spoiled at this point is all lol. It’s going to feel plastic-E and light weight/cheaper in comparison to your Astral. But you may very well love it! If it’s a good card that’s all that matters. 
 

My 4090 Gaming OC was fantastic for the price of $1350 shipped, and I loved it. But, it felt like a toy GPU lol, It had the “Outdoor Bug Zapper light” coil whine tone in any load scenario, the core maxed out at 2,895Mhz reliably, even 2,920Mhz on the desktop with no load or games open would lock-up windows. With all that being said, I still really enjoyed it, I had a loud system at the time with a 59dB chiller anyways so it didn’t matter too much how noisy it was. It was amazing for the money and fast no doubt and that’s why I loved it! I think that’s honestly why I’m happy with my FE being total opposite of what I had, it doesn’t feel like a toy, it feels like a solid heavy high quality GPU, the silicon is soo much better than what I had before. In my current build the loudest item in my case when gaming is when my Lian Li Gold Edge 1200 PSU fan cycles on/off, the only thing I can hear is my PSU fans. Definitely a new problem for me and what I’m use to.

[electrosoft]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m kinda surprised you’re entertaining another 5090. I don’t think you’re gonna like the Gigabyte though, you’re probably already spoiled at this point is all lol. It’s going to feel plastic-E and light weight/cheaper in comparison to your Astral. But you may very well love it! If it’s a good card that’s all that matters. 
 

My 4090 Gaming OC was fantastic for the price of $1350 shipped, and I loved it. But, it felt like a toy GPU lol, It had the “Outdoor Bug Zapper light” coil whine tone in any load scenario, the core maxed out at 2,895Mhz reliably, even 2,920Mhz on the desktop with no load or games open would lock-up windows. With all that being said, I still really enjoyed it, I had a loud system at the time with a 59dB chiller anyways so it didn’t matter too much how noisy it was. It was amazing for the money and fast no doubt and that’s why I loved it! I think that’s honestly why I’m happy with my FE being total opposite of what I had, it doesn’t feel like a toy, it feels like a solid heavy high quality GPU, the silicon is soo much better than what I had before. In my current build the loudest item in my case when gaming is when my Lian Li Gold Edge 1200 PSU fan cycles on/off, the only thing I can hear is my PSU fans. Definitely a new problem for me and what I’m use to.

 

lol, yeah, I cancelled it after talking to my wife and really thinking if saving some $$$ was worth the downside for the next few years when I am 100% happy with the Astral (besides the price of course 🤣). I actually spent considerable time on BB looking at cards and then MC and NE and seeing the various levels of savings vs worth the potential issues and would I be happy with it weighing the pros and cons and each time was a no and so here we are.

 

I could be equally happy with a Suprim I think, but they're so close in price what's the point and there's a chance it's a dud and/or has coil whine.....

 

My wife knows me better than I know myself and at dinner we talked about it again in detail. And in her final words, "From what I heard tonight, there is like zero chance this 5090 is going to be anywhere near as good or well built or perks filled like your 5090 now and you've said numerous times your 5090 is perfect like your 4090. so I think this is stupid and you are going to regret it over $800 which is really nothing overall over two years. Either keep it or return it and use that rodeo (Radeon lol) thing and pass the rice."

 

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True, the Windforce tier is one step below the Gaming OC tier. The Aorus Master level is where Gigabyte really starts to step it up a level. The price:performance level of your 4090 was great. Once costs get down to a certain point, you can start to say, "Well, I'm ok with this and that." I remember you weren't doing backflips over its clocks.

 

FE build quality is lights out, period. It is streamlined and elegant. I have always loved the look and feel of the last three generations of FE cards. the 4090 FE was just a monster slab of beauty and the 5080 / 5090 FE is a compact eye catching engineering beauty too. Even Steve at GN lavished a ton of praise on it.

 

It's gonna be painful watching you tear it apart, but it's worth it for the results. 🤣 

 

Once you start pursuing quiet computing, it is really hard to go back to noisy setups outside of pure benching for a few minutes here and there. My system is absolutely whisper quiet during normal use and gaming I can have the speakers on low and still not hear my system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

14 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Yup, I can attest to this. My DDR4 kit I have in my older desktop (with the super bin 10900K from bro Fox) can do 4400 MHz CL 15 with default XMP subtimings as long as I have my Noctua IPPC fans blowing on the sticks at max RPM (3000 RPM). If I use lesser fans, the sticks aren't stable even with the normal 4000 MHz XMP profile as the RAM can't be kept cool enough to not error out. No wonder the previous owner waterblocked these sticks. The 4000 MHz CL 14 kit costed double what this kit did at the time I bought this kit, so I went with this kit instead and am still satisfied with having the second best. It looks like it can definitely still be pushed further with better cooling.

 

I typically do 4200 MHz as a daily driver speed as that is the best compromise between performance and stability (barring better cooling). A 5% overclock over XMP isn't bad given it was a brute force approach and I'm not experienced with RAM overclocking.

 

good input, forgot to mention that im actively cooling my RAM with a 140mm Arctic fan. during the RAM kit testing i kept an eye on max temps during stress tests, the best cooled kits were in the low to mid 40s C max temp. whereas the lesser, more plasticky sticks went up to the low 50s. nevertheless, at 1.69V for both VDD and VDDQ (testing voltages, will tune those down later after tightening up timings) those temps are still more than ok and not worried about it 🙂 

 

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

lol, yeah, I cancelled it after talking to my wife and really thinking if saving some $$$ was worth the downside for the next few years when I am 100% happy with the Astral (besides the price of course 🤣). I actually spent considerable time on BB looking at cards and then MC and NE and seeing the various levels of savings vs worth the potential issues and would I be happy with it weighing the pros and cons and each time was a no and so here we are.

 

I could be equally happy with a Suprim I think, but they're so close in price what's the point and there's a chance it's a dud and/or has coil whine.....

 

My wife knows me better than I know myself and at dinner we talked about it again in detail. And in her final words, "From what I heard tonight, there is like zero chance this 5090 is going to be anywhere near as good or well built or perks filled like your 5090 now and you've said numerous times your 5090 is perfect like your 4090. so I think this is stupid and you are going to regret it over $800 which is really nothing overall over two years. Either keep it or return it and use that rodeo (Radeon lol) thing and pass the rice."

 

------

 

True, the Windforce tier is one step below the Gaming OC tier. The Aorus Master level is where Gigabyte really starts to step it up a level. The price:performance level of your 4090 was great. Once costs get down to a certain point, you can start to say, "Well, I'm ok with this and that." I remember you weren't doing backflips over its clocks.

 

FE build quality is lights out, period. It is streamlined and elegant. I have always loved the look and feel of the last three generations of FE cards. the 4090 FE was just a monster slab of beauty and the 5080 / 5090 FE is a compact eye catching engineering beauty too. Even Steve at GN lavished a ton of praise on it.

 

It's gonna be painful watching you tear it apart, but it's worth it for the results. 🤣 

 

Once you start pursuing quiet computing, it is really hard to go back to noisy setups outside of pure benching for a few minutes here and there. My system is absolutely whisper quiet during normal use and gaming I can have the speakers on low and still not hear my system.

 

welp this is one of the many reasons we keep our ladies around, to keep our heads straight when we get lost in hardware land 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

So, I delidded the second 9950X and, yes, nice temperature drop. 74.9°C core max in Cinebench R23.

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I delidded the second 9950X and, yes, nice temperature drop. 74.9°C core max in Cinebench R23.

 

what were the temps before?

 

i just finished benching the Teamgroup kit one last time and switched over to the "golden" kit at 8000, starting to tighten up timings 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

what were the temps before?

 

i just finished benching the Teamgroup kit one last time and switched over to the "golden" kit at 8000, starting to tighten up timings 🙂 

Depending on how hot my office is, between 90-95°C with the same BIOS settings. So, roughly 15-20°C core max reduction. Very clear and unmistakable improvement. Basically mirrored the improvement seen on the first 9950X delid/bare die upgrade. This is using the Thermal Grizzly Mycro Pro direct die block.