*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

I like to think about the 4090 compared to the 4080. My experience was a substantial upgrade very nice boost in games. Everyone with/without a 4090 talked about it, and thought it was +$400 more well spent going for the $1,599 dollar 4090. Now consider the 5090 is also +$400 more than 4090 but an even larger upgrade than that was. 
 

I’m beginning to seriously question if anything is ever good enough for me or most people. When we all had 3090’s, and the 4090 came out, we complained because the 4090 was too damn good. It was so fast with frame Gen it made the 3090 instantly obsolete (Nvidia was no friend to us gamers because our 3090 is obsolete now) But now the 4090 owners complain because that didn’t happen again. I don’t think we can ever truly be happy with high end hardware no matter the product they give us.

 

I really don’t think any company or product can fit the bill for what we actually want that would make everyone happy and sing praise lol.  All we can do is waste our money, convince ourselves into buying the GPU, then we sing our praises about the things that are true. 

 

The jump from the 3090 to the 4090 was an anomaly overall. It was just massive. Expecting that again was unrealistic jumping from the 4090 to the 5090. The jump down the entire 4000 stack was pretty substantial but a lot of that was the AI market hadn't fully kicked off AND AMD had seriously threatened Nvidia with their 6000 series.

 

Now? AMD is zero competition at the top. I mean not even in the same ballpark. 9070xt is a damn good card, but in the end it's main competition is the 5070ti with sporadic trips against the 5080. Pricing is a farce even with AMD and "discounts" at launch that then go again. They never made their own reference card this cycle so there is zero "real" pricing anchors and the real price of the 9070xt is $700+ with the cheapest model being the Steel Legend at $699.99.

 

Overall, with the 5090, we got a decent little bump over the 4090 and a savage 25% price increase at the least.

 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

I wonder how bad the real 5050 will be when the 5060 is in reality an mediocre 5050 class graphics card. So an new released 5050 aka xx30 tier card for your pc monitor setup and not much more. Then why not instead go with an processor with iGPU? The real 5050 will be a waste of sand and should never be made. Or waste of money for the consumers. Put in what's fits.

The Real Nvidia GPU Lineup: GeForce RTX 5060 is Actually a Mediocre 5050

 

Se bolded text....

 

This affects other models as well. What used to cost $350 to $400 (inflation-adjusted) now costs $550, and you're not even getting as much as you used to. GPUs that once sold for $500 to $600 prior to 2020 are now $1,000. Everything has gone up by 40% to 50% on top of overall inflation.

 

So why is the GeForce lineup suffering from such significant shrinkflation? Why are consumers getting less value now than ever? An obvious answer is simple: new unlimited demand for AI GPUs and profit.

 

 

Can't reach into the proverbial ether and keep pushing old generation to generation uplift percentages as the baseline for classifying cards.....

 

In the end, are the 5000 variants more powerful than their 4000 variants? Yes.

Are some of them even cheaper than their previous counterparts? Yes again.

Do I like posing questions to answer them online? Once again, yes....

 

I wholeheartedly agree though we're not getting the same performance jump as before and Nvidia's priorities are elsewhere  but to assume you're going to get the same generation over generation leap as before  then applying that model to reclassify the card tier is a digital strawman at its best.

 

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I never think in terms of FE pricing because I have no interest in FE cards, and especially not the current design with the fragmented components connected by ribbon cables. That is totally unacceptable to me. So I do not think it is accurate to say the 5090 is $400 more than 4090 when you look to the AIB options. That is also not a great comparison because nobody manufactures 4090 anymore. I think if they did, and it was priced to value the 5090 would not sell well because it is not priced to value. Everything else in the Green Goblin's product stack is a piece of trash, but still grossly overpriced and a poor value.

 

NVIDIA has everything so stinking effed up with the GPU market right now that I don't believe that it will ever be capable of returning to normal. They are anti-competitive, deceptive and maniplulative and they sell products that reflect that on top of being grossly overpriced or a poor value. Being better than the alternative is not good enough because of their disposition.

 

You are right to question whether anything is ever good enough. I think that is very much the case and that's where I am, especially with video cards. Nothing is ever good enough for PC enthusiasts and overclockers because of the degree of nonsense with control and manipulation. NVIDIA has created this problem by deliberately screwing us all and being bold about it.

 

To be clear, I do not like AMD. I don't like how they do things. Most of what they do is a little bit goofy and often not the best approach. However, they have become the lesser of evils. NVIDIA and Intel are capable of being better than what they have become and should be held accountable for bad decisions. AMD is the best they have ever been and seem to be putting forth the effort to do their best. Sometimes doing your best isn't enough, you have to do what is required. NVIDIA isn't doing their best or what is required. They are screwing everyone and are not even ashamed of themselves.

 

As much as I miss EVGA and wish they hadn't thrown in the towel, I think they were smart to do so. Nobody wins when NVIDIA is involved. They realized that before anyone else did.

 

I still think there's some value in the lower part of the green goblin's stack as prices stayed the same or went down along with performance bumps, but no one is doing backflips over it. It's very ho hum. I'm thinking of the average gamer. If you're holding onto a 2000 or even 3000 series class card, you can get a very uplift in performance for equal or less than last gen pricing.

 

Everything else is spot on in your response and then some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I never think in terms of FE pricing because I have no interest in FE cards, and especially not the current design with the fragmented components connected by ribbon cables. That is totally unacceptable to me. So I do not think it is accurate to say the 5090 is $400 more than 4090 when you look to the AIB options. That is also not a great comparison because nobody manufactures 4090 anymore. I think if they did, and it was priced to value the 5090 would not sell well because it is not priced to value. Everything else in the Green Goblin's product stack is a piece of trash, but still grossly overpriced and a poor value.

 

NVIDIA has everything so stinking effed up with the GPU market right now that I don't believe that it will ever be capable of returning to normal. They are anti-competitive, deceptive and maniplulative and they sell products that reflect that mindset on top of being grossly overpriced or a poor value. Being better than the alternative is not good enough because of their disposition.

 

You are right to question whether anything is ever good enough. I think that is very much the case and that's where I am, especially with video cards. Nothing is ever good enough for PC enthusiasts and overclockers because of the degree of nonsense with control and manipulation. NVIDIA has created this problem by deliberately screwing us all and being bold about it. Their behavior has adversely affected everyone, including those that do not purchase NVIDIA products.

 

To be clear, I do not like AMD. I don't like how they do things. Most of what they do is a little bit goofy and often not the best approach. However, they have become the lesser of evils. NVIDIA and Intel are capable of being better than what they have become and should be held accountable for bad decisions. AMD is the best they have ever been and seem to be putting forth the effort to do their best. Sometimes doing your best isn't enough, you have to do what is required. NVIDIA isn't doing their best or what is required. They are screwing everyone and are not even ashamed of themselves.

 

As much as I miss EVGA and wish they hadn't thrown in the towel, I think they were smart to do so. Nobody wins when NVIDIA is involved. They realized that before anyone else did. I think the only way this will get fixed is for NVIDIA to end up losing massive market share and ending up on the brink of bankruptcy before they will pull their head out.

I think FE pricing was similar to AIB pricing though.

 

4090FE= $1600

4090 Gaming Trio $1650

 

I don’t know what happen to AIB pricing scale. MSI Gaming Trio was +$50 more than FE. And now MSI Gaming Trio is +$1350 more than FE. 
 

^ This is all whacked out. I really wonder how they go from +50 dollars to +1350 dollars more. That cannot be tariffs. I think it’s BS. 
 

 

I think AIB’s are really thirsty like Nvidia has been for years.. 

 

 

I know Nvidia is slinging the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell 96GB GPU at insane profit levels. It’s a 5090 die through and through. But, it cost $8,200 dollars. That is a big profit for Nvidia. They even had an artificial limit at 5090 launch day. And that’s where all the dies went to (Into RTX Pro 6000 lol) 

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think FE pricing was similar to AIB pricing though.

 

4090FE= $1600

4090 Gaming Trio $1650

 

I don’t know what happen to AIB pricing scale. MSI Gaming Trio was +$50 more than FE. And now MSI Gaming Trio is +$1350 more than FE. 
 

^ This is all whacked out. I really wonder how they go from +50 dollars to +1350 dollars more. That cannot be tariffs. I think it’s BS. 
 

 

I think AIB’s are really thirsty like Nvidia has been for years.. 

 

 

I know Nvidia is slinging the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell 96GB GPU at insane profit levels. It’s a 5090 die through and through. But, it cost $8,200 dollars. That is a big profit for Nvidia. They even had an artificial limit at 5090 launch day. And that’s where all the dies went to (Into RTX Pro 6000 lol) 

Yeah, AIB pricing is all jacked up. Real bad. I think in the end they are hurting themselves. There will always people that are idiots with money that have no limits on what they are willing to spend to have what they want. But, even the most idiotic person can reach a point of recognizing when they are being screwed. I don't mind paying 25% more if I get at least 25% more. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I think FE pricing was similar to AIB pricing though.

 

4090FE= $1600

4090 Gaming Trio $1650

 

I don’t know what happen to AIB pricing scale. MSI Gaming Trio was +$50 more than FE. And now MSI Gaming Trio is +$1350 more than FE. 
 

^ This is all whacked out. I really wonder how they go from +50 dollars to +1350 dollars more. That cannot be tariffs. I think it’s BS. 
 

 

I think AIB’s are really thirsty like Nvidia has been for years.. 

 

 

I know Nvidia is slinging the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell 96GB GPU at insane profit levels. It’s a 5090 die through and through. But, it cost $8,200 dollars. That is a big profit for Nvidia. They even had an artificial limit at 5090 launch day. And that’s where all the dies went to (Into RTX Pro 6000 lol) 

 

It depends on the model as always.

 

4090 = $1600

4090 Strix = $2000

 

So a 25% markup for Asus.

 

Of course they then went bonkers with the Astral but the original launch price was $2799 = 40% mark up.

 

A lot of this has to do with Nvidia reducing margins even more and forcing AIBs to buy the entire GPU/mem package on top of everything.

 

At launch, there were several $1999 AIB models from Gigabyte and PNY and even the next tier up was $2200-2400.

 

IMHO, the inflation is more greed + supply/demand than tariffs but tariffs were a convenient cover to quietly raise prices even more.

 

Supply is really equalizing now. Prices are falling in other countries and PNY has marked down their stupidly inflated 5090's on Microcenter from $3300 and $3500 down to $2999. I expect card prices to slowly creep back down even in the face of "tariffs."

 

In other words, tariffs are definitely real and valid, but why is it every other sector has been barely affected by them in the computer parts? SSDs are still cheap and memory prices are falling. Motherboards remained about the same (IE, still overpriced but static) and CPU prices are either the same from last year or have fallen. Case prices have gone up though but nothing as insulting as the 5090 mark ups.

 

5090 pricing is a pure money grab from AIBs while demand is outlandish. I refuse to play the game anymore at this point. Even the 5090FE is stupidly overpriced. The other inflated pricing just gets even more insulting. A lot of this factored into my returning that $3600 astral.

 

Remember on launch I had 3 5090's Queued up at B&H and they were all $2200 or below along with queuing up for a 5080FE and 5090FE. That quickly went to bust.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, AIB pricing is all jacked up. Real bad. I think in the end they are hurting themselves. There will always people that are idiots with money that have no limits on what they are willing to spend to have what they want. But, even the most idiotic person can reach a point of recognizing when they are being screwed. I don't mind paying 25% more if I get at least 25% more. 

 

And I'm sure they won't reduce prices if the GPU tariff won't be as high as some think.... And not so sure the US governments is so keen make PC's, laptops and important computer parts being so expensive a few weeks before the school year start in the United States. And we all know +95% of needed tech is made in Asia. Even 10% tariff will be felt very well when the school year opens.

 

Or maybe the US Government want that you all should buy cheap Chromebooks/tablets for the school opening? Maybe go back to pen and paper evn in the higher leven schools? If that happens, you can be sure that education in the US will fall further behind countries like etc. China. Bad enough as it is. I doub't we will se an massive price  hike due stupid high tariffs right before the school start up this summer.

 

But Nvidia and AIBs... They will do whatever they can to max out profits. And you don't need flagship graphics cards for School work... So.

 

GPU Manufacturers Are Rushing NVIDIA GPU Production To Bring Them To The US Prior To The July 9

Well, companies are fond of leveraging desperate times in order to increase profit margins, and in the case of AIBs, well, they would likely wait for the July 9th deadline to pass before releasing market inventory. This would allow them to bump up prices in case a trade agreement isn't reached, and then ultimately, drive up the prices. 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

In other words, tariffs are definitely real and valid, but why is it every other sector has been barely affected by them in the computer parts? SSDs are still cheap and memory prices are falling. Motherboards remained about the same (IE, still overpriced but static) and CPU prices are either the same from last year or have fallen. Case prices have gone up though but nothing as insulting as the 5090 mark ups.

 

See bolded text. 

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

It depends on the model as always.

 

4090 = $1600

4090 Strix = $2000

 

So a 25% markup for Asus.

 

Of course they then went bonkers with the Astral but the original launch price was $2799 = 40% mark up.

 

A lot of this has to do with Nvidia reducing margins even more and forcing AIBs to buy the entire GPU/mem package on top of everything.

 

At launch, there were several $1999 AIB models from Gigabyte and PNY and even the next tier up was $2200-2400.

 

IMHO, the inflation is more greed + supply/demand than tariffs but tariffs were a convenient cover to quietly raise prices even more.

 

Supply is really equalizing now. Prices are falling in other countries and PNY has marked down their stupidly inflated 5090's on Microcenter from $3300 and $3500 down to $2999. I expect card prices to slowly creep back down even in the face of "tariffs."

 

In other words, tariffs are definitely real and valid, but why is it every other sector has been barely affected by them in the computer parts? SSDs are still cheap and memory prices are falling. Motherboards remained about the same (IE, still overpriced but static) and CPU prices are either the same from last year or have fallen. Case prices have gone up though but nothing as insulting as the 5090 mark ups.

 

5090 pricing is a pure money grab from AIBs while demand is outlandish. I refuse to play the game anymore at this point. Even the 5090FE is stupidly overpriced. The other inflated pricing just gets even more insulting. A lot of this factored into my returning that $3600 astral.

 

Remember on launch I had 3 5090's Queued up at B&H and they were all $2200 or below along with queuing up for a 5080FE and 5090FE. That quickly went to bust.

 

 

 

 

Yes, Asus and MSI and PNY are chasing profit hard! So, original 4090 Strix= $2,000. And now the Astral is $3,359. It does seem just a little overkill. At least the Astral is the best 5090 though, unlike the Strix 4090 was, they were pretty lackluster. And Asus is pumping them out too everyone is buying an Astral it seems like.
 

But Nvidia is no better lol. 😂 think about the RTX PRO 6000. That GPU cost roughly the same to make as 5090FE, but they can wholesale crates of them for 5-6K each and Nvidia is still making so much more money than 5090FE could ever dream of, and it’s really the same money to make one, same die. Only slightly different bios. So I think that’s why the 5090FE is a rare bird, the 5090FE sales are like Nvidias charity work on the side, (We can’t give it all away) Much easier to get a RTX Pro 6000@MSRP too. No one can scalp these 🤣 We can’t exactly scalp a $8,000 dollar GPU. Which is kinda smart I suppose. Resellers are motivated to move these units at like $7K-8K range. Which makes me think lots of profit and wiggle room on these. 
 

AIB’s need to cool it down though. They are following Nvidia foot steps too hard. 

[Mr. Fox]

If everyone would be smart and say eff ewe to companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs there would be no companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs. They'd be selling them for what they are actually worth and making a reasonable profit in the process. They have priced them based on how much an idiot is willing to pay for them. Too many people have issues exercising self-control, restraint and prudence. They are driven by their desires more than intelligence. They know this and they are exploting this flaw in their humanity.

[Mr. Fox]

@jaybee83 I forgot to ask, what is the SP rating on your 9950X3D CPU and what was the SP rating our your 9950X? Do you have any BIOS screenshots showing the V/F curve on them?

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yes, Asus and MSI and PNY are chasing profit hard! So, original 4090 Strix= $2,000. And now the Astral is $3,359. It does seem just a little overkill. At least the Astral is the best 5090 though, unlike the Strix 4090 was, they were pretty lackluster. And Asus is pumping them out too everyone is buying an Astral it seems like.
 

But Nvidia is no better lol. 😂 think about the RTX PRO 6000. That GPU cost roughly the same to make as 5090FE, but they can wholesale crates of them for 5-6K each and Nvidia is still making so much more money than 5090FE could ever dream of, and it’s really the same money to make one, same die. Only slightly different bios. So I think that’s why the 5090FE is a rare bird, the 5090FE sales are like Nvidias charity work on the side, (We can’t give it all away) Much easier to get a RTX Pro 6000@MSRP too. No one can scalp these 🤣 We can’t exactly scalp a $8,000 dollar GPU. Which is kinda smart I suppose. Resellers are motivated to move these units at like $7K-8K range. Which makes me think lots of profit and wiggle room on these. 
 

AIB’s need to cool it down though. They are following Nvidia foot steps too hard. 

 

Original MSRP for Astral is $2799. 

Original Windforce price is $1999.99.

Original PNY price is $1999.99

Original Windforce OC is $2199.99

Original PNY OC is $2199.99

 

Now look at the stupid prices.....

 

6000 is a different breed depending on yields. 

 

Full GB202 = 24,576

6000 = 24,064

5090 = 21,760

 

So the 6000 can only have a ~2% failure rate before it then goes into the pile of defects  for the "mid range"  5090's or knowing Nvidia maybe a 5090ti down the road with somewhere between 21,760 and 24,064. 5090 has a much more generous 13% margin of error defect rate and I suspect within its parameters much much better yields than the 6000. You're definitely paying for that much more golden/better yield chip that's for sure.

 

I am sure slowly, but surely, Nvidia is stockpiling those full fat perfect GB202's for some mega expensive card down the road.

 

And yes they ALL are chasing profits hard. Don't let Nvidia fool you with their 25% increase greed hidden behind a decent profit margin on their 5090FE. AIBs are given absolutely razor thin margins so their prices are higher (but obviously you get more in various ways with AIB cards), but the price hikes after that? Market conditions with a touch of greed.

 

Astral is the best of the lot IMHO followed by the Suprim but for me just not worth $3600. I had an absolutely flawless sample with zero problems that ran D2D OC'd no problem. I completely enjoyed those two months of ownership. But again, $3600? That is insane for me but whether $2k or $3.6k, the pricing has now reached stupid levels for a consumer grade GPU; but I applaud and am happy for everyone who picked up the model that tickles their fancy from the top end OC enthusiast like @johnksss on down to you and the $2k FE. I'm loving all the posts and results and can't wait for you to block yours.

 

What is the status of shunting the 5090FE atm? Yay or nay? Working as intended or?

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

And I'm sure they won't reduce prices if the GPU tariff won't be as high as some think.... And not so sure the US governments is so keen make PC's, laptops and important computer parts being so expensive a few weeks before the school year start in the United States. And we all know +95% of needed tech is made in Asia. Even 10% tariff will be felt very well when the school year opens.

 

Or maybe the US Government want that you all should buy cheap Chromebooks/tablets for the school opening? Maybe go back to pen and paper evn in the higher leven schools? If that happens, you can be sure that education in the US will fall further behind countries like etc. China. Bad enough as it is. I doub't we will se an massive price  hike due stupid high tariffs right before the school start up this summer.

 

But Nvidia and AIBs... They will do whatever they can to max out profits. And you don't need flagship graphics cards for School work... So.

 

GPU Manufacturers Are Rushing NVIDIA GPU Production To Bring Them To The US Prior To The July 9

Well, companies are fond of leveraging desperate times in order to increase profit margins, and in the case of AIBs, well, they would likely wait for the July 9th deadline to pass before releasing market inventory. This would allow them to bump up prices in case a trade agreement isn't reached, and then ultimately, drive up the prices. 

 

 

See bolded text. 

 

 

 

So corporations corporating as expected...... profits are their end game....business as usual.... 😞

 

But if 5090s are already starting to stay in stock and languish a bit now especially as scalpers wind down their scalping because it isn't worth it, prices will hit a wall. All the "market conditions" in the world won't circumvent demand that will not pay a price or has been satisfied.

 

also....

 

 

See the bolded text below...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now see the even more bolded text below...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 🧨 MEGA BOLD ACTIVATE!!!!!  🧨

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

If everyone would be smart and say eff ewe to companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs there would be no companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs. They'd be selling them for what they are actually worth and making a reasonable profit in the process. They have priced them based on how much an idiot is willing to pay for them. Too many people have issues exercising self-control, restraint and prudence. They are driven by their desires more than intelligence. They know this and they are exploting this flaw in their humanity.

 

We've seen how Nvidia has responded to a downturn of market conditions with their 4080->4080 Super. We've seen them bring their A game with A game pricing with their 4090. Rumors now they are readying the "Supers" to counter the sudden surge of AMD in the mid tier market.

 

While AI is their focus, not for a second do I think they're abandoning or not keeping an eye on their 4-5 BILLION dollar GPU gaming division.

 

In addition, those "launch price only" discounts from AMD are shady but the same supply and demand paradigm that applies to Nvidia also applies to AMD just sans the halo tier this time around.

 

You are right and self control and restraint are the only answer. Hopefully 6 months from now when the demand on the consumer side has doubled down on being satisfied and store inventories start to build up, we'll see how the market looks then vs now.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So the 6000 can only have a ~2% failure rate before it then goes into the pile of defects  for the "mid range"  5090's or knowing Nvidia maybe a 5090ti down the road with somewhere between 21,760 and 24,064. 5090 has a much more generous 13% margin of error defect rate and I suspect within its parameters much much better yields than the 6000. You're definitely paying for that much more golden/better yield chip that's for sure.

 

I am sure slowly, but surely, Nvidia is stockpiling those full fat perfect GB202's for some mega expensive card down the road.

 

Those defective 6000 chips will go into China as their newer AI server chips paired with +48GB GDDR7. No point make 5090Ti if they don't cost north of $4500. And that's too much for 5090Ti/Super class cards. 

 

The Fury say sing so😁

 

And very equal  as....

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If everyone would be smart and say eff ewe to companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs there would be no companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs. They'd be selling them for what they are actually worth and making a reasonable profit in the process. They have priced them based on how much an idiot is willing to pay for them. Too many people have issues exercising self-control, restraint and prudence. They are driven by their desires more than intelligence. They know this and they are exploting this flaw in their humanity.

 

This is waste of money @Mr. Fox 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Those defective 6000 chips will go into China as their newer AI server chips paired with +48GB GDDR7. No point make 5090Ti if they don't cost north of $4500. And that's too much for 5090Ti/Super class cards. 

 

 

Agreed, I said it earlier in this thread numerous times there will be no 5090ti. I said it over on the OCN forums too.

 

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

This is waste of money @Mr. Fox 

 

 

 

The sad part is if Nvidia simply slapped a "m" after them this really wouldn't be a problem......

 

Common sense should tell anyone you can't cram a monster sized desktop card in a relatively small laptop and expect it to run full tilt without creating a tear in the space/time fabric.

 

 

[Reciever]

Honestly cant see myself spending more than 700ish for a GPU, that being said I will happily buy used in order to still maximize performance per dollar spent as I have done for years at this point. 

 

Though in reality I'll upgrade to suit the need, if there is a title that I must play and I know that its beyond what my 7900 XTX can support then I'll likely sell this card (if today, it would likely be at cost or even a profit strangely enough) to look at the next step up. It would be hard to see anything short of a 4090 as an upgrade. Would have to be bewitched to spend 3k on a GPU though...

 

That being said its all relative, I come from lets just say extremely meager means on more than one occasion so my barometer for such things is skewed in that direction.

[jaybee83]

20 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I like to think about the 4090 compared to the 4080. My experience was a substantial upgrade very nice boost in games. Everyone with/without a 4090 talked about it, and thought it was +$400 more well spent going for the $1,599 dollar 4090. Now consider the 5090 is also +$400 more than 4090 but an even larger upgrade than that was. 
 

I’m beginning to seriously question if anything is ever good enough for me or most people. When we all had 3090’s, and the 4090 came out, we complained because the 4090 was too damn good. It was so fast with frame Gen it made the 3090 instantly obsolete (Nvidia was no friend to us gamers because our 3090 is obsolete now) But now the 4090 owners complain because that didn’t happen again. I don’t think we can ever truly be happy with high end hardware no matter the product they give us.

 

I really don’t think any company or product can fit the bill for what we actually want that would make everyone happy and sing praise lol.  All we can do is waste our money, convince ourselves into buying the GPU, then we sing our praises about the things that are true. 

 

and THAT, my friend, is the crux of the hardware enthusiast reality 😄 

 

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

Btw. The newest tech in Papusan's plaza😀

 

haha nice that reminds me of the high tech toilets i saw in japan 😄 

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83 I forgot to ask, what is the SP rating on your 9950X3D CPU and what was the SP rating our your 9950X? Do you have any BIOS screenshots showing the V/F curve on them?

 

7950X = lemme see if i can find an old bios screenshot / post about this

First 9950X3D = SP 120

Second 9950X3D = SP 120 (120.44 across all cores),  V/F curve below.

in general, both the IMC and CCDs seem to be stronger on this one vs. the first. unfortunately, i dont have any screens of the VF curves for the first 9950X3D or the 7950X.

 

 

sorry about the awkwardly slanted screenshot, this is due to my curved monitor 😄 plus had to stitch together two pics cuz the low Bios res doesnt allow all 16 cores to be shown at the same time.

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

and THAT, my friend, is the crux of the hardware enthusiast reality 😄 

 

 

haha nice that reminds me of the high tech toilets i saw in japan 😄 

 

 

7950X = lemme see if i can find an old bios screenshot / post about this

First 9950X3D = SP 120

Second 9950X3D = SP 120 (120.44 across all cores)),  V/F curve below.

in general, both the IMC and CCDs seem to be stronger on this one vs. the first. unfortunately, i dont have any screens of the VF curves for the first 9950X3D or the 7950X.

 

 

sorry about the awkwardly slanted screenshot, this is due to my curved monitor 😄 plus had to stitch together two pics cuz the low Bios res doesnt allow all 16 cores to be shown at the same time.

Thanks. I will have a closer look tomorrow. My 9950X3D is SP120 as well. I just got the Strix build put together and have about 2.5 hours to sleep before work tomorrow. No problem running 8000 C36, but still need to tune it. First distro plate I have owned. I like it, but getting the air out of it was a little bit tedious. It was very noisey when it had tons of air in it. Now that most of the air is worked out, it is cranking out some decent flow (318-320 L/H). It started out less than half that rate. Top and bottom rads both push/pull. I purchased a second set of KingBank 8400 and will probably sell my G.SKILL 8000 EXPO kits (3 of them).

[jaybee83]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I will have a closer look tomorrow. My 9950X3D is SP120 as well. I just got the Strix build put together and have about 2.5 hours to sleep before work tomorrow. No problem running 8000 C36, but still need to tune it. First distro plate I have owned. I like it, but getting the air out of it was a little bit tedious. It was very noisey when it had tons of air in it. It is cranking out some decent flow (318-320 L/H). Top and bottom rads both push/pull. I purchased a second set of KingBank 8400 and will probably sell my G.SKILL 8000 EXPO kits (3 of them).

 

be sure to post ur VF curves, as well (9950X and X3D). lets get some comparisons going here to put some proper context to the curves 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, jaybee83 said:

 

be sure to post ur VF curves, as well (9950X and X3D). lets get some comparisons going here to put some proper context to the curves 🙂 

I will.

 

You know you can just press F12 in the BIOS to take a screenshot and save it to USB rather than using a camera.

 

This Strix has the same features as the Apex. That BIOS Q-screen thing with the mobo map. Also has eCLK (asynchronous BCLK) like the Apex and AORUS Master.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will.

 

You know you can just press F12 in the BIOS to take a screenshot and save it to USB rather than using a camera.

 

This Strix has the same features as the Apex. That BIOS Q-screen thing with the mobo map. Also has eCLK (asynchronous BCLK) like the Apex and AORUS Master.

 

LOL i had no idea, now i feel like a moron 😄 thanks for the tip! ill try it next time in BIOS 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL i had no idea, now i feel like a moron 😄 thanks for the tip! ill try it next time in BIOS 🙂

You would be surprised how many people do not know that. Only works with FAT/FAT32 (no NTFS).

 

Off-topic... saw the new John Wick movie last night "Ballerina" and it was awesome, just like all John Wick movies always are.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You would be surprised how many people do not know..............

 

That is spot on... Dell can continue with their business as long consumers throw away their hard earned money... From the OP post..... 

 

I’ve done loads of research to the point where I think I’m just running round in circles now with the little understanding I have of gaming pc’s. I understand that I would be paying a premium for this particular PC but that doesn’t bother me.

 

 

 

Not from Dell but still an disgusting deal... 

Gold-plated RTX 5090 for up to 19,200 euros net on eBay