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[Meaker]

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

🤐🙄 🤔 

 

 

Yup, for US. Not here. Maybe the tariff war force people re-think what they buy. At least they can return it within the return window. 

 

Edit. Not great time spend a lots of money you don't have. Damn sad see the direction it heads... I have seen the middle class in US will get 1% lower taxes from the ‘One Big Beautiful Bill’. Some even less. But above $200.000 and you may get 4% less tax. The winners is as always the rich that don't need to return what they already bought.

 

+10% tariffs and increased inflation from it on top of that are hard to bear/swallow. 1-3% less tax won't help much to lower the pain. The best pain-killer is as always to return what you shouldn't buy in first place. And hope you get back your money.

The rumour is this month and last month is a price lul with stock brought in before tariffs, then as that dries up as we go into back to school and christmas prices will rise again and could a fair amount.

[Meaker]

On 7/2/2025 at 6:08 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

 

Decent cooler/Voltage tweak/fan curve tweak gets them into safe levels. I run a slight undervolt and then a power reduction that keeps me around stock performance levels for a boat load less power which is nice at the moment.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Meaker said:

Decent cooler/Voltage tweak/fan curve tweak gets them into safe levels. I run a slight undervolt and then a power reduction that keeps me around stock performance levels for a boat load less power which is nice at the moment.

Running with -75mV and default power limits I still see 90+ on temps running benchmarks or playing games. I've stopped using mine until I can buy a waterblock for it. If they are overpriced then I will probably sell it. It blows more hot air than I would like and the temps are much higher than I want them to be.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Right in time before prices start stabilizes at bottom and may go creep upwards again. And I expect Nvidia will prioritize 5090D v2 for China. 24GB vram cards for 5090 prices for China at +$2000 is also a huge win. And only god knows how many real 5090 will be smuggled into China when the people see they being scammed by Nvidia with the v2. 24GB vram cards for $2000 is hard to swallow. The Blackwell gen cards will stay here yet another two years, so.... Keep track of inventory of "cheap" gamer cards to maximize profits is damn important task. 

 

NVIDIA is also preparing for a new AI accelerator for China as well, that would be a Blackwell-based GDDR7 solution, so the focus will be shifted towards this market segment. These SKUs paired with the dumbed down 5090 will keep the wheels running busy at the factories.

 

2 hours ago, Meaker said:

The rumour is this month and last month is a price lul with stock brought in before tariffs, then as that dries up as we go into back to school and christmas prices will rise again and could a fair amount.

 

Yup, it seems July is the month you see the bottom of the prices. Then they will creep upwards.

 

From 14:15

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Right in time before prices start stabilizes at bottom and may go creep upwards again. And I expect Nvidia will prioritize 5090D v2 for China. 24GB vram cards for 5090 prices for China at +$2000 is also a huge win. And only god knows how many real 5090 will be smuggled into China when the people see they being scammed by Nvidia with the v2. 24GB vram cards for $2000 is hard to swallow. The Blackwell gen cards will stay here yet another two years, so.... Keep track of inventory of "cheap" gamer cards to maximize profits is damn important task. 

 

NVIDIA is also preparing for a new AI accelerator for China as well, that would be a Blackwell-based GDDR7 solution, so the focus will be shifted towards this market segment. These SKUs paired with the dumbed down 5090 will keep the wheels running busy at the factories.

 

Also 3GB memory chips will surely fly off the shelves for premium/inflated prices once China has figured out how to make them work with 5090's.

 

NVIDIA Rumored To Slash GeForce RTX 50 Production To Prioritize AI Chips

NVIDIA has been busy with its AI chips in a world with rapidly increasing demand, to quench the thirst of heavily invested tech corporations. And as such, it may further reduce GeForce RTX 50 series GPU production to focus even more on its more profitable data center products.

 

How much of a reduction are we talking about? As spotted on Gazlog/Chiphell by WCCFTECH, its said total inventory levels may decrease by as much as 30%, which can mean higher prices are likely here to stay for the foreseeable future. Assuming the report is accurate, of course.

 

 

From greed to managing the world of technology...
The US administration (government) sold their soul for rare earth metals. I hope this is wrong and not correct. 

US lifts China's export ban on chip designs: They need its rare earths

 

This has an immediate impact . Through software, Chinese companies can restart stalled projects , improve existing designs, and plan new chips competitively.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again.

 

It makes no difference.

 

Prices keep dropping because no one is buying. Prices can creep up and a large margin of buyers will still not buy. Nvidia can cut supply and again no one is still buying at these prices. Those who had the deep pockets and/or early adopters have bought already. The first 2-4 months were always going to be shortage based and AIBs sure took advantage of it.

 

Supply and demand needs the demand side to cooperate at that certain price point and clearly many are not buying at the several rounds of price cuts we've already had.

 

Eventually prices will drop to a point where those who are interested enough at a certain price point will decide to pick one up but we're not quite there yet for many of the cards.

 

I tend to monitor which cards sell out pretty quick versus those which languish. Top tier brands are holding somewhat strong with their top end models, but the mid and lower tier brands  or top tier brands with their mid and lower tier models are dropping prices on the regular.

 

It's like somebody offering that proverbial sports car for $500k and slashing it over and over on the regular. Eventually someone will deem the price acceptable and buy it. Kind of like a Dutch auction.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I said it before and I'll say it again.

 

It makes no difference.

 

Prices keep dropping because no one is buying. Prices can creep up and a large margin of buyers will still not buy. Nvidia can cut supply and again no one is still buying at these prices.

 

And be you sure. Nvidia know it. Why produce more parts for cards that no one will buy? Just cut the production. The production capacity can be used for more profitable products than "cheap" 5090's. 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Eventually prices will drop to a point where those who are interested enough at a certain price point will decide to pick one up but we're not quite there yet for many of the cards.

 

Yup. And when empty what then? Why should nvidia produce even more 5090s when they can use the wafers other places? Just produce after demand. Shipping takes time, and maybe Nvidia has produced what they can deliver to come ahead of the tariff hell "if it happens". Afterwards... Nobody really knows. But Nvidia is known for making money. Not for welfare.

 

 

On the flip side.... For all my US friends. Have a happy 4th of July "tomorrow". Already 4th here home🙂

[Mr. Fox]

Happy July 4th. Passage of the Big, Beautiful Bill will make this the best one I can remember and definitely reason for celebration of American Independence.

[Mr. Fox]

So, I have had the most difficult time imaginable installing Linux on the X870E platform. It seems like none of the Linux developers have AMD's most current platform and haven't given it enough effort. Most distros are broken and installation fails at the point of installing the boatloader. I even removed all other OS drives thinking maybe Micro$lop was interfering by blocking access to the EFI partition, but that was not it. I tried numerous Arch, Ubuntu and Debian derivatives and all ended with the same error. I finally got Zorin installed after 2 days of farting around with failures on both the ASUS and Gigabyte mobos. I tried GRUB, systemd and rEFInd bootloaders on each distro and tried different SSDs. All failed during the installing the boatloader. Very weird. I guess that is one of the compromises when stuff is free. I'm using a USB ethernet adapter because the onboard NIC and WiFi are not supported. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3080 Turbo

 

[Mr. Fox]

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

 

[Vasudev]

@Mr. Fox I finally fixed the Ryzen slow CPU issue. Today I thought I'd give the battery a rundown since its been raining heavily and guess what it was slower than my Pentium 2020M to login and task manager took 2 mins to open and it was the dreaded stuck clock freq at 0.70 GHz.

 

With great difficult I tried to record the things using snipping tool and it crashed after few seconds. Waited for OBS to open and hit record which felt like several centuries passed by. Dreaded Stuck Clocks were eventually fixed by a reboot. I did some digging and it seems Lenovo had a botched BIOS update 1.13 and I upgraded to latest version which increased core to core latency, mem latency etc. I had to use windows update history and Windows Update minitool to download good BIOS version 1.11 approved by MSFT along with EC 1.06. Defender blocked it and I had to disable rollback prevention and unblock the BIOS driver file insydeBIOS. Flashed it and went to AIDA64 on sergei strelec to see any improvements in cache and temps. Memory latency dropped from 100ns to 94.5ns, memory write is back to 83GBps with Read/Copy still at 64GBps on 2x16GB Crucial DDR5 SODIMM 5600 19-19-19-45 Quad Channel and best part is AGESA 1.1 was released years ago and noticed 5-10C thermal reduction because IMC wasn't working that hard in AIDA64 Stability tests. The latest BIOS 1.14 has AGESA 1.2.0 from June 2024. AGESA 1.2 was too slow

 

I thought lenovo included the security vulnerability with AGESA 1.2.0.3.x. There is lack of tools from Ryzen/AMD to debug things. I think I'd stick with Intel due to better tools from community and ability to overwrite uCodes using VMWare patcher. Even on Linux idle temps were high and full load temps were much lower than Win 11 with Fedora/Bazzite Nvidia ISO 55C idle and 70C on full load using stress-ng with peaks to 80C.

[Papusan]

A minor start. But this should have been done on day one when they issued the ban. All too late. 

 

US reportedly plans to curb sales of AI GPUs to Malaysia and Thailand to prevent smuggling to China

 

The sad truth about AMD's latest gen graphics cards... This is just embarrassing. Greed over common sense (Wrongly priced and not offer enough cards and in several SKUs). Yep, yet again have F. Azor failed hard as AMD's Chief Director of Gaming Solutions.

RTX 5090 more popular than all RX 9000s on Steam!

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

 

 

welp...as usual the devil is in the details. since jay was only applying it to 3DMark, yeah sure, itll give u better scores on intel systems as he stated. but lots of people will over-generalize this and apply it for everything. then big surprise, some apps n games will actually give u lower perf with it enabled 😄 

thats the big prob nowadays, everything is just painted in black n white, while most of the time the reality is in gazillion shades of grey...#itdepends 😛 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

 

 

Hmmm. I mean he should have tested with 5000 series cards as the 5090. They perform slight different vs 4000 series in some benchmarks with RBar enabled/disabled. Both wrong and both right🙂

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

A monor start. But this should have been done on day one when they issued the ban. All too late. 

 

US reportedly plans to curb sales of AI GPUs to Malaysia and Thailand to prevent smuggling to China

 

The sad truth about AMD's latest gen graphics cards... This is just embarrassing. Greed over common sense (Wrongly priced and not offer enough cards). Yep, yet again have F. Azor failed hard as AMD's Chief Director of Gaming Solutions.

RTX 5090 more popular than all RX 9000s on Steam!

Well, we had a brain-dead zombie muppet in the oval office when that toothless ban was issued by a feckless shadow regime of wealth-stealing woke sicko commie traitors. That's why it never happened. Much bigger fish need to be fried with the open border and what-not. More important things need to take priority right now. That day will come soon enough and when it hits it will hit hard. China's destruction will be without mercy and irrecoverable.

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, we had a brain-dead zombie muppet in the oval office when that toothless ban was issued by a feckless shadow regime of wealth-stealing woke sicko commie traitors. That's why it never happened. Much bigger fish need to be fried with the open border and what-not. More important things need to take priority right now. That day will come soon enough and when it hits it will hit hard. China's destruction will be without mercy and irrecoverable.

 

There will still be trade between US and China. But China's own population will buy more and more own home made products. Same as with US. They prefer have production for what they need by themself. If they can't, they'll always find ways around the problems.

China: Sales of foreign smartphone manufacturers fell by 9.7%.

Bad news for all foreign smartphone manufacturers in China, as they are experiencing a significant drop in sales.

 

 

But I really hope they stop with this below. But greed is common and greed make you do wrong decisions....

 

On 7/3/2025 at 10:11 PM, Papusan said:

From greed to managing the world of technology...
The US administration (government) sold their soul for rare earth metals. I hope this is wrong and not correct. 

US lifts China's export ban on chip designs: They need its rare earths

 

This has an immediate impact . Through software, Chinese companies can restart stalled projects , improve existing designs, and plan new chips competitively.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

I really hope they stop with this. Greed is common and greed make you do wrong decisions.

 

And there will still be trade between US and China. But China's own population will buy more and more own home made products. 

 

China: Sales of foreign smartphone manufacturers fell by 9.7%.

Bad news for all foreign smartphone manufacturers in China, as they are experiencing a significant drop in sales.

 

Smoke and mirrors. Welcome to The Matrix. The fake news disinformation mills report what Xi Jinping wants the world to believe. They can't eat computer chips and smartphones. The news cartel is very good at putting lipstick on the pig. And, these are just the normies. Ask a Uyghur how things are going.

 

[Papusan]

 

One more reason thermal putty on vram is an bad idea. 

 

[tps3443]

On 7/3/2025 at 11:47 AM, johnksss said:

Hummm, 1100W from an FE seems pretty high....

Here is one of mine ran on my gaming drive. It does not come close to what GPUZ reads up top

 

The 1100w was Furmark 4K.
 

Power consumption in steelnomad reports 400-440.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 1100w was Furmark 4K.
 

Power consumption in steelnomad reports 400-440.

 

Go drop a trip to Starbucks on a proper wall meter....... 😁

 

 

[tps3443]

53 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Go drop a trip to Starbucks on a proper wall meter....... 😁

 

 

I use to have one with my 7980XE system a long time ago, but it stopped working. I don’t really have any interest in a wall meter. If it’s wrong, then it’s wrong. 

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I use to have one with my 7980XE system a long time ago, but it stopped working. I don’t really have any interest in a wall meter. If it’s wrong, then it’s wrong. 

 

Do you have a Wireview at least then? You want to have something to verify on screen readings. I just find a wall meter really lets you know what is being reported vs what is actually happening. I've used it numerous times to sort out bad readings in software especially for outlier laptops over the years that could sometimes misreport how much they were actually pulling.

 

@Mr. Fox I ordered one of the meters you use as I'm still rocking the original from 16yrs+ ago and I definitely like that backlit screen.

 

 

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Go drop a trip to Starbucks on a proper wall meter....... 😁

 

 

Furmark must be unlocked or something for FE as mine will under no circumstances go higher that 625W@4K and 950W@1080P

[electrosoft]

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

 

 

20 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

welp...as usual the devil is in the details. since jay was only applying it to 3DMark, yeah sure, itll give u better scores on intel systems as he stated. but lots of people will over-generalize this and apply it for everything. then big surprise, some apps n games will actually give u lower perf with it enabled 😄 

thats the big prob nowadays, everything is just painted in black n white, while most of the time the reality is in gazillion shades of grey...#itdepends 😛 

 

TL;DR: Test each program you use to see if it is beneficial or not for your setup (which most of us have been doing for some time now)...

 

Nvidia reached out to Blackbird basically saying the same thing that it is a case by case situation.

 

 

 

With that being said, JayZ2Cent lives in the moment and with his heart on his sleeve. It has its pros and cons. I enjoy his videos but he rates right there with Linus. Entertainment only.....

 

Say what you want about GN, but he is OCD/anal to a fault and puts the 'P' in Pedantic. I take Steve's videos more serious but I skim through them a lot because he can just go on and on and on and he's got the charisma of a brick wall....

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

Furmark must be unlocked or something for FE as mine will under no circumstances go higher that 625W@4K and 950W@1080P

Do your clocks/voltage drop in Furmark 4K? That is interesting.