*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Apparently the KPE 3090ti was a very limited run of ~500 cards. Vince said supply line issues were a major problem. Makes sense why they sold out in less than 10 days.

 

Makes sense now why brand new KPE 3090's have shown up (and continue to show up) on eBay (KPE 3090 just finished its 1.5yr run and is finally gone from EVGA website) but zero KPE 3090ti's.

 

Before the install Sunday. I ended up replacing the 2x new style EVGA fans with 6x AC P12 TSE temps went from ~51.5c to 47.5c with the P12s ambient temp ~70c. GPU idle temps ~23.5-24.0c.

 

I do like the look and style of the minimal RGB EVGA fans though. I may switch back in the future for aesthetics.

 

Same conditions and run on my returned FTW3 3090ti ~65c.

 

Playing WoW, fans stay at lowest setting. With the FTW3 3090ti they spun up nice and audible.

 

P2 1600w smelled like dead fish for a day or so fresh out of the box. Not pleasant.

 

Thing is built like a tank with solid metal shroud. I hope EVGA continues this build quality of the FTW3 and KPE 3090ti for the 4000 series.

 

@Mr. Fox as predicted the Mrs. absconded with my Strix 3080 🤨

 

 

I would honestly fall over laughing. 

 

Honey the 3090ti showed up! 

 

That's great! Pci bracket clicks into place 

[Papusan]

Retail start to be quite desperate after the miners are gone. Why suddenly all the love for gamers?🙃 

 

Newegg Launches GPU-Shopping Portal Designed to Sell You a GPU

GeForce RTX 3090 Falls To $999 Hitting Its Lowest Price Ever With This HOT GPU Deal

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5045393_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_480_537026_marks

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

Retail start to be quite desperate after the miners are gone. Why suddenly all the love for gamers?🙃 

 

Newegg Launches GPU-Shopping Portal Designed to Sell You a GPU

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5045393_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_480_537026_marks

They don't care about gamers or miners. They care about money. They're going to pretend to love whatever market gives them the most of it. The moment their darling stops putting out like a slot machine they become the next red-headed stepchild.

[Papusan]

On 7/19/2022 at 2:03 PM, Papusan said:

And 4070 should be around equal performance as 3090 Ti. Remember AMD will be able to compete more with RT (features) this time. All Nvidia have left is to try push the performance as high they can. Hence they also is forced to lift the TDP for all new cards. The main losers will be the laptop Jockey's. God have mercy with those shelling out loads of cash on castrated new gaming books.

 

Will wee see Jensen pop up with same numbers this time? Time will see.

The GeForce RTX 30 Series, NVIDIA’s second-generation RTX GPUs, deliver up to 2x the performance and 1.9x the power efficiency over previous-generation GPUs.

'Giant Step into the Future': NVIDIA CEO Unveils GeForce RTX 3000 series Gpu's

Better with real numbers than the lies from NVIDIA's CEO Jensen Huang. Isn't it? 🙂 

AMD continue stealing features Nvidia have used for their graphics cards. Jep, AMD eat more and more features from Nvidia's graphics features portfolio they have been alone with. What remains now is the performance crown/or performance vs dollars for Nvidia. This is all they will have left to try keep up their very high market shares for graphics cards. So not so sure Nvidia will give up maximum profits/keep up their high market shares. All Nvidia can do forwards now is going for the performance crown. Intel will go for the budget crown, AMD for the "in middle" and Nvidia is now forced to take the perfomance crown. If not they will lose hard in this battle. 

 

AMD NOISE SUPPRESSION Nvidia RTX Voice should have competition

AMD briefly posted a video on its official YouTube channel promising a new audio feature for Adrenaline.

 

And next gen AMD GPUs will have 'enhanced ray tracing'.

 

Nvidia need to deliver with 4000 series cards or the comingt two years forwards will be as a black mondey/nightmare for their greedy shareholders. Maybe it's time for Jensen to retire or swap job? Not so sure it will be fun sit on top forwards to please Nvidia's shareholders🙃

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD continue stealing features Nvidia have used for their graphics cards. Jep, AMD eat more and more features from Nvidia's graphics features portfolio they have been alone with. What remains now is the performance crown/or performance vs dollars for Nvidia. This is all they will have left to try keep up their very high market shares for graphics cards. So not so sure Nvidia will give up maximum profits/keep up their high market shares. All Nvidia can do forwards now is going for the performance crown. Intel will go for the budget crown, AMD for the "in middle" and Nvidia is now forced to take the perfomance crown. If not they will lose hard in this battle. 

 

AMD NOISE SUPPRESSION Nvidia RTX Voice should have competition

AMD briefly posted a video on its official YouTube channel promising a new audio feature for Adrenaline.

 

And next gen AMD GPUs will have 'enhanced ray tracing'.

 

Nvidia need to deliver with 4000 series cards or the comingt two years forwards will be as a black mondey/nightmare for their greedy shareholders. Maybe it's time for Jensen to retire or swap job? Not so sure it will be fun sit on top forwards to please Nvidia's shareholders🙃

 

 

If they could get the features and drivers to work right consistently and manufacture GPUs with long life spans they might actually have a winner one day. They seem to do a good job of producing half baked solutions that get them close to the finish line but not across it.

 

After having nothing but a stack of bad experiences with their products for more than a decade I'm not sure what it's going to take for me to ever think they deserve another chance to empty my wallet. That sure as hell didn't work out for me when I tried to bury the hatchet earlier this year. That sucked more than words can say.

[Ashtrix]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If they could get the features and drivers to work right consistently and manufacture GPUs with long life spans they might actually have a winner one day. They seem to do a good job of producing half baked solutions that get them close to the finish line but not across it.

 

After having nothing but a stack of bad experiences with their products for more than a decade I'm not sure what it's going to take for me to ever think they deserve another chance to empty my wallet. That sure as hell didn't work out for me when I tried to bury the hatchet earlier this year. That sucked More than words can say.

 

AMD shamelessly axed Windows 7 support in April only of 2021 despite having a chance to support because they did not use DCH I think at that time. Nvidia meanwhile did the Win32 until Sep 2021 for all of Ampere stack. RTX3090 Ti even after launching late in 2022 has a Windows 7 Win32 driver, the last of the last Win32, they will deliver security patches. For AMD it's SOL lol nothing at all. And use buggy trash drivers for 7.

 

Also AMD had worse DX11 performance vs Nvidia on old titles, this was very important to me because I like old games far more than the new garbage. Esp the old era of X360 ones of horrible PC ports lol. AMD recently made some upgrades to that driver  and posted some performance boost very recently just a couple of days back.

 

AMD has Open Source Linux drivers but Ngreedia doesn't. Nvidia's NVENC is wayy superior to AMD's solution too.

 

AMD's CPUs and GPUs (many say fine wine, idk) definitely have some Firmware QA problems not that Intel is flawless or Nvidia is either, but comparatively esp the CPU part is worst, tons of damn firmware updates and AGESA what not. I hope Zen 4 goes in step of right direction after 6 years of Zen experience.

 

One last thing, many whine to hell about NVCP on all these blogs and sites. NVCP yea it's slow looks like XP era and doesn't look fancy. In contrast with AMD it looks outdated, but to me it just works damn it. NVCP simply works !! no questions asked at all. I love it. All the XP type is even damn better no shiny BS nonsense no bloat. Slowly they added a lot of telemetry junk, NVClean Install exists thankfully.

 

But sadly these same fools gulp down that horrendous BLOATWARE DOG FECES GFE software. Sooner or later Nvidia will axe NVCP and go with GFE then these people will chug it all down while crying. Nvidia  recently collaborated with that Pascal guy on Patreon for his RTGI Reshade and implemented it inside the damn GFE cancer, if we want those without Reshade we must open our PC to Ngreedia to penetrate it with their cancer. Absolute clown world.

[Reciever]

I preferred the older style of AMD CCC it was vastly superior to Nvidia's NVCP since it I could make changes to game graphics in real time without having to reboot the title and was responsive. All good things come to an end at some point though, not a big fan of the current layout.

 

That all being said other than be seriously slow at times its not like NVCP made me run for the hills, back to using it since I am on a GTX 1080 these days which performs better for me in older titles than the AMD 5700xt which is why I built the laptop in the first place.

[Papusan]

On 7/22/2022 at 3:20 PM, Mr. Fox said:

After having nothing but a stack of bad experiences with their products for more than a decade I'm not sure what it's going to take for me to ever think they deserve another chance to empty my wallet. That sure as hell didn't work out for me when I tried to bury the hatchet earlier this year. That sucked More than words can say.

I even avoid old AMD cards. And I follow same pattern for new cards🙂 

 

I was very close to grab a 780 Lightning card in a complete pc for a very good price. Not everyday we see such cards here home. Oh'well can't have good luck every time. I can just keep on with the old before my new Zotac cards come to papa. I made a custom vbios that worked better than the stock firmware for the GTX 670. I'm not the big firmware modder but at least it worked out well for a few benchmarks. I got near 18000 more points in Aquamark🙂 Not so bad with an air cooled card. 1th and 2nd place is out of reach due they use LN2 but 3rd is better than 4th or 5th. I guess everything is better than last, LOOL

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5046259_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_670_543812_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5046233_papusan_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_670_47244_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5046240_papusan_3dmark11___entry_geforce_gtx_670_19335_marks?recalculate=true

 

  https://hwbot.org/submission/5046231_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_670_12272_marks?recalculate=true

 

[Mr. Fox]

Here is this for anyone that needs it.

@echo off
net stop AsusUpdateCheck
net stop asComSvc
net stop asus
net stop asusm
net stop AsusROGLSLService
SLEEP 10
sc delete AsusUpdateCheck
sc delete asComSvc
sc delete asus
sc delete asusm
sc delete AsusROGLSLService

 

ASUS Crap Remover.bat

[Clamibot]

I got all the new parts I needed to build a workstation except for the GPU. I'd forgotten how good desktop land was.

 

The motherboard arrived today. It's almost as big as my laptop. This is the first time I've ever had an ATX board, and it's a high end one at that. It definitely has some weight to it, probably due to the really beefy power delivery and the heatsinks that cover it.

 

This thing is extremely solidly built. It's built like a tank!

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

I got all the new parts I needed to build a workstation except for the GPU. I'd forgotten how good desktop land was.

 

The motherboard arrived today. It's almost as big as my laptop. This is the first time I've ever had an ATX board, and it's a high end one at that. It definitely has some weight to it, probably due to the really beefy power delivery and the heatsinks that cover it.

 

This thing is extremely solidly built. It's built like a tank!

It didn't take me very long after I went back to desktops until I didn't really want to have anything to do with laptops anymore. And, that was before the only option available was a BGA turdbook. At that time you could still buy something at least partially respectable. I literally had to ask myself why I put up with mobile trash for as long as I did. And, now I no longer do and I find them all repulsive. You're showing symptoms now. It is a glorious disease, and you will not want to be cured.

[Papusan]

A few more benches from GTX 670. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5047206_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_670_52742_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5047230_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_670_12325_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5047211_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_670_8323_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5047216_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_670_3976_marks

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It didn't take me very long after I went back to desktops until I didn't really want to have anything to do with laptops anymore. And, that was before the only option available was a BGA turdbook. At that time you could still buy something at least partially respectable. I literally had to ask myself why I put up with mobile trash for as long as I did. And, now I no longer do and I find them all repulsive. You're showing symptoms now. It is a glorious disease, and you will not want to be cured.

newly infected incoming! 😋 gotta hold out until sept....

[Meaker]

Desktops are so dangerous for me, there was always some new fan, heatsink, GPU or controller I wanted for them.

 

Notebooks made it a lot harder to buy random stuff, also I got bored of desktops a bit after I had done Crossfire 5850 cards in a uATX case with a 1065t at 4Ghz with a seriously overclocked northbridge (and uATX X58 setup with the same GPUs).

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Meaker said:

Desktops are so dangerous for me, there was always some new fan, heatsink, GPU or controller I wanted for them.

 

Notebooks made it a lot harder to buy random stuff, also I got bored of desktops a bit after I had done Crossfire 5850 cards in a uATX case with a 1065t at 4Ghz with a seriously overclocked northbridge (and uATX X58 setup with the same GPUs).

ha, one itch scratched, off to the next. its an evil cycle....but a fun one 😋

[electrosoft]

I've been using a BenQ 32" 4k panel the last two years and I genuinely love it. Full 10-bit 4k with excellent color reproduction which is always my primary criteria over all else.

 

 

I decided to give myself a full gaming experience and picked up a Viewsonic 32" Elite 1440p 165hz Quantum Dot IPS gaming G-sync display. I figured I could handle stepping down to 1440p.

 

I used it for 3-4 days and boxed it back up for return for a few reasons:

 

Desktop 1440p looks seriously chunky after having run 4k for almost 2 years but more importantly the 8-bit panel is a no go. The banding was evident in many areas. HDR600 was not as good as the HDR on the BenQ with only HDR400.

 

I will say the actual game play itself with a bit more fluid and smoother especially in CP2077 and FO76. A deal maker? No, but enough I would be willing to take another crack at it as long as my primary criteria aren't compromised.

 

I won't do VA. I had tried a Samsung U59 a few years ago and the view angles (along with 8-bit banding) made it a non starter and back it went.

 

The other thing is this BenQ with being G-sync compliant helps with some of the limitations of a 60hz panel but obviously can't compete with a real gaming display with its ~5ms response time, 60hz limitations.

 

So I'm looking for a true 32" IPS 10-bit 4k display with >90% Adobe and P3  >=120hz gaming, low latency, HDR600+ display.

 

I've got my eye on the MSI MPG321UR-QD Xbox Edition as it seems to fit all the criteria I need while not breaking the bank but I'll continue to look for other options too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

I have been using a 144hz Freesync Acer refurb 27" monitor for some time now. Every now and then debating stepping it up but life have been throwing a series of wrenches lately.

 

Having a meetup with potential new employment which would be hybrid remote and effectively doubling my income, I keep my expectations low typically but this one feels like it could break my way.

 

Here's hopin'... 🙂 

[Custom90gt]

Since my wife is due in September and the plan is for her to not return to work, I will sadly be skipping out on the next gen GPUs/CPUs. This will be the first time I've done so in a number of years.  After residency I plan to upgrade though, so another 2 years being "stuck" with my 3080/12900k, first world problems for sure.  At least my consolation prize is another kiddo, my first one is by far the best thing I've ever done in life. 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Reciever said:

I have been using a 144hz Freesync Acer refurb 27" monitor for some time now. Every now and then debating stepping it up but life have been throwing a series of wrenches lately.

 

Having a meetup with potential new employment which would be hybrid remote and effectively doubling my income, I keep my expectations low typically but this one feels like it could break my way.

 

Here's hopin'... 🙂 

Keep us posted on how that goes and we'll keep you in our prayers for the best outcome. It's very exciting to hear that "career upgrade" is on your horizon.

2 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

Since my wife is due in September and the plan is for her to not return to work, I will sadly be skipping out on the next gen GPUs/CPUs. This will be the first time I've done so in a number of years.  After residency I plan to upgrade though, so another 2 years being "stuck" with my 3080/12900k, first world problems for sure.  At least my consolation prize is another kiddo, my first one is by far the best thing I've ever done in life. 

Congratulations to you and your wife. What a huge blessing to have your second on the way, and also that your wife will be able to bless your kids with a strong foundation as a stay-at-home mom.  That job is a harder and more taxing position than any job I've ever had, and also more important than any position I have held, but the benefits last for a lifetime.

[Ashtrix]

Okay this cements that HEDT is dead. AMD pulled plug on Threadrippers and axed the socket 2 times. Intel on the other hand doesn't have any X299 successor. SPR-X but rather W series XEON with W chipsets.

Intel confirms W790 chipset for its HEDT Sapphire Rapids Xeon Workstation CPUs

 

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By shifting the naming schema from X to W series chipset, Intel is clearly suggesting that such systems will be designed for workstations not just enthusiast. This is actually a very similar path that AMD took by canceling their non-Pro Threadripper series. The real Core-X series may be truly dead.

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The W790 motherboard series were rumored to launch alongside Raptor Lake, which is early Q4 2022. Unfortunately Intel encountered issues with Sapphire Rapids-SP for data centers, a delay that could also affect said Sapphire Rapids-X series.

 

 

Shame really. W series means TR PRO like pricing. It will be insanely expensive, and with very very less market cap for these, meaning we won't even see how much we can get out of them and less parts, less mobos as well. So they are too much Prosumer side like Quadro.

 

End of an Era I would say, X299 is the last. The Smartphone dominance truly ruined PC space heavily from the UI, Power requirements, userbase mindset and other aspects. For a HEDT usecases, now we have to choose from used XEON or buy brand new and get shafted to hell with the pricing on these. Well I hope AMD's Zen 4 and Zen 5 delivers more PCIe lanes and more MT performance in the next 5 years.

[jaybee83]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I've been using a BenQ 32" 4k panel the last two years and I genuinely love it. Full 10-bit 4k with excellent color reproduction which is always my primary criteria over all else.

 

 

I decided to give myself a full gaming experience and picked up a Viewsonic 32" Elite 1440p 165hz Quantum Dot IPS gaming G-sync display. I figured I could handle stepping down to 1440p.

 

I used it for 3-4 days and boxed it back up for return for a few reasons:

 

Desktop 1440p looks seriously chunky after having run 4k for almost 2 years but more importantly the 8-bit panel is a no go. The banding was evident in many areas. HDR600 was not as good as the HDR on the BenQ with only HDR400.

 

I will say the actual game play itself with a bit more fluid and smoother especially in CP2077 and FO76. A deal maker? No, but enough I would be willing to take another crack at it as long as my primary criteria aren't compromised.

 

I won't do VA. I had tried a Samsung U59 a few years ago and the view angles (along with 8-bit banding) made it a non starter and back it went.

 

The other thing is this BenQ with being G-sync compliant helps with some of the limitations of a 60hz panel but obviously can't compete with a real gaming display with its ~5ms response time, 60hz limitations.

 

So I'm looking for a true 32" IPS 10-bit 4k display with >90% Adobe and P3  >=120hz gaming, low latency, HDR600+ display.

 

I've got my eye on the MSI MPG321UR-QD Xbox Edition as it seems to fit all the criteria I need while not breaking the bank but I'll continue to look for other options too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

id have another look at current VA monitors, especially with samsung made panels inside, theyve done quantum leaps in terms of dark level smearing, viewing angles and inverse ghosting. plus theyre much much faster than any comparable IPS panels.

[electrosoft]

7 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

id have another look at current VA monitors, especially with samsung made panels inside, theyve done quantum leaps in terms of dark level smearing, viewing angles and inverse ghosting. plus theyre much much faster than any comparable IPS panels.

 

Do they offer true 32" 10-bit panels? That is priority #1 for me followed by 4k and >90% color gamut coverage across all three (Adobe, P3, S3) along with viewing angles last.

 

Then comes HDR600+

 

Then comes >=120hz, <=1ms response time

 

 

[jaybee83]

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Do they offer true 32" 10-bit panels? That is priority #1 for me followed by 4k and >90% color gamut coverage across all three (Adobe, P3, S3) along with viewing angles last.

 

Then comes HDR600+

 

Then comes >=120hz, <=1ms response time

 

 

have a look at the just released odyssey neo g7 and g8 monitors, both 32 inch, 10 bit panels, 165/240 hz, roughly 95% dci-p3 (adobe and s3 also above 90% iirc), HDR "2000" (not VESA certified but based on reviews around HDR1200).

 

as for response times, dont let urself be fooled by the marketing doodles, aside from OLED panels theres literally no 1ms response time monitor. these VA panels, however, are second only to OLED panels and way faster than any IPS in their class. have a look at HUB reviews for reference:

 

 

 

btw, that "disappointing" headline for the Neo G8 is in my opinion on a VERY high level, its not to say that its a bad monitor, just not "perfect". but what monitor is? 😛

in any case, also be on the lookout for the upcoming LG C2 OLEDs, might be smth good.

[electrosoft]

10 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

have a look at the just released odyssey neo g7 and g8 monitors, both 32 inch, 10 bit panels, 165/240 hz, roughly 95% dci-p3 (adobe and s3 also above 90% iirc), HDR "2000" (not VESA certified but based on reviews around HDR1200).

 

as for response times, dont let urself be fooled by the marketing doodles, aside from OLED panels theres literally no 1ms response time monitor. these VA panels, however, are second only to OLED panels and way faster than any IPS in their class. have a look at HUB reviews for reference:

 

 

 

btw, that "disappointing" headline for the Neo G8 is in my opinion on a VERY high level, its not to say that its a bad monitor, just not "perfect". but what monitor is? 😛

in any case, also be on the lookout for the upcoming LG C2 OLEDs, might be smth good.

 

 

Oh, and non curved. I hate curved displays. 😁

 

 

[Meaker]

I have the Samsung C32HG70 32" and it's not bad, but a few electrical gremlins 😞 If it has been off for a while I have to unplug it and plug it back in to get it on. It's also got some screen corruption on cold startup now.