*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

Bro Fox. Here's some good news for you🤪 Microsoft make ready for your next pc. Maybe send M$'s CEO Nadella an huge thanks, LOOL

 

Just sad Microsoft won't offer you an nice and pretty genuine M$ USB stick with the latest cancerware. But I expect the OS is more important for you than get a new shiny box and a nice USB stick from Microsoft, HaHa

 

Vote with your wallet🙂

 

DIY PC builders can finally buy Windows 11 licenses

No need to install Windows 10 first anymore. Windows 11 licenses are finally available for DIY PC builders! 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5048526_papusan_3dmark03_geforce_gtx_670_135672_marks

[electrosoft]

Finally got around to delidding and relidding my Silicon Lottery 10900k in my X170SM-G.

 

Test parameters:

 

MSI Z590-A Pro motherboard

EVGA 360mm CLC

Gelid Extreme center dollop

Fans on max (set from BIOS)

Fixed ambient temp of ~70c

 

Before delid:

 

 

After delid:

 

 

I'm sure the X170SM-G will appreciate a touch of breathing room.....

 

 

[electrosoft]

EVGA E1 custom builds/frames finally announced (3-4 week delivery time). $1600 for the frame/case itself. $3700 w/ a KPE 3090ti. $5k for a barebones build out you just add your own ram, storage, CPU....whew.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/E1-bare-bones/

 

[Papusan]

40 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Finally got around to delidding and relidding my Silicon Lottery 10900k in my X170SM-G.

 

Test parameters:

 

MSI Z590-A Pro motherboard

EVGA 360mm CLC

Gelid Extreme center dollop

Fans on max (set from BIOS)

Fixed ambient temp of ~70c

 

Before delid:

 

 

After delid:

 

 

I'm sure the X170SM-G will appreciate a touch of breathing room.....

 

 

5W lower and near 1000 points down. Whats up? Something nasty from Windows fired up in the background?  But nice temp reduction😎

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

5W lower and near 1000 points down. Whats up? Something nasty from Windows fired up in the background?  But nice temp reduction😎

 

It did the same with my LTX too when I re-delidded it and gave it a complete shine and cleaning and relidding before selling. Put the same CPUs in an Asus Z590? Scores were right. On this MSI one run nets 16.5k. Next run nexts 15.5k. Zero consistency score wise but identical pull and thermals. I'm focused on the drop in temps and pull to give my X170SM-G even more breathing room. In it even, scores are 16.5k proper.

 

I've had this MB since 11th gen launch last year and through numerous 10th gen chips same 15k-15.5k ish scores randomly. 11th gen worked fine.

 

I am glad for the pretty substantial temp and watt drops. That's the magic. 🙂

 

Here is the LTX after a proper relid with the stock IHS (same as the SL relid) same conditions and environment with a 10min CB23 run

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Finally got around to delidding and relidding my Silicon Lottery 10900k in my X170SM-G.

 

Test parameters:

 

MSI Z590-A Pro motherboard

EVGA 360mm CLC

Gelid Extreme center dollop

Fans on max (set from BIOS)

Fixed ambient temp of ~70c

 

Before delid:

 

 

After delid:

 

 

I'm sure the X170SM-G will appreciate a touch of breathing room.....

 

 

nice man, solid 10c shaved off! does that allow any extra multis?

 

as for the price on those EVGA frames....holy guacamole. im guessing super limited run and excessive cost for the tooling required to produce the parts for them. sorry but id never even consider spending THAT money on a case, damn!

 

btw good news, 3090 ti pricing dropped by another 200€ here in europe, the crash continues mwahahaha! cheapest available card now sits at 1399€ including tax and shipping. gotta love that 😁👌🏼

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

nice man, solid 10c shaved off! does that allow any extra multis?

 

as for the price on those EVGA frames....holy guacamole. im guessing super limited run and excessive cost for the tooling required to produce the parts for them. sorry but if never even consider spending THAT money on a case, damn!

 

btw good news, 3090 ti pricing dropped by another 200€ here in europe, the crash continues mwahahaha! cheapest available card now sits at 1399€ including tax and shipping. gotta love that 😁👌🏼

 

It was already running nice in the X170SM-G but this will just bring it down a notch. I wanted to get back in there anyhow since Kingpin TIM was running a little off and put nanogrease extreme back on. While I was in there I was like, "eh, let me throw it on the desktop bench to see how it compares with the re-lidded stock lid LTX" and the LTX relid dusted it in temps so I decided to just delid it where in the end it pulled ahead relid vs relid  by ~8w and 2c with an avg of 65.7 vs 64.2. I'll pop it back in my X170SM-G in an hour or so.

 

If money was no object, I'd pick up the frame and a Z690 classified. Not sure why at that price they didn't include the EVGA CLC 360mm with the new style fans to match the ones on the KPE 3090ti. But yeah, the KPE 3090ti and the E1 are all super limited so it transcends it just being a "3090ti" on other levels and not subject to normal market pricing hence the KPE 3090ti is sold out for individual sales already. The rest of the cards? Normal market conditions apply.

 

I don't know how the cards can drop any lower since Jayztwocents just told us a week or so ago they weren't going to drop any lower and we need to BUY NOW! Clearly the market is wrong.... 🙄

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 7/26/2022 at 11:34 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I don't know how the cards can drop any lower since Jayztwocents just told us a week or so ago they weren't going to drop any lower and we need to BUY NOW! Clearly the market is wrong.... 🙄

 

 

LOL, word! Jay is funny and knowledgeable in certain things, i.e. hands on experience with watercooling, but sometimes hes not quite on the money imho. id rather trust moores law is dead on this one, stating that the MAJORITY OF MINING GPUS HASNT EVEN STARTED TO HIT THE MARKET YET!

meaning: were still at the BEGINNING of the gpu price crash LOL

 

seriously guys, if this continues i might just grab a dirt cheap 3090ti as a "holdover" placeholder gpu until 40 series is out, widely available and all partners have released their lineup 😂 oh the irony! hahaha

[Clamibot]

Yeah I'm waiting for prices to drop further as well. Pretty much every GPU right now is still significantly above MSRP. I don't know where or how in the world people are getting new GPUs for MSRP like some news outlets are reporting, and I'm in the US.

 

I really need a GPU to complete my new workstation build. At this point in the generation, prices should be below MSRP all across the board.

 

I expect prices to drop further over the next few weeks. This is gonna be a buyers market for sure. If vendors don't drop their prices once more used cards flood the market, theirs won't sell. I don't like taking pleasure in peoples' misfortunes, but this is sweet payback for the sky high prices we had this generation.

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

EVGA E1 custom builds/frames finally announced (3-4 week delivery time). $1600 for the frame/case itself. $3700 w/ a KPE 3090ti. $5k for a barebones build out you just add your own ram, storage, CPU....whew.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/E1-bare-bones/

 

Love the "case" but the price makes ludicrous seem like an understatement. The price is so beyond sinfully retarded that I find it impossible to find anything nice to say other than I love how it looks. Lots of vulgar expletives come to mind though.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It did the same with my LTX too when I re-delidded it and gave it a complete shine and cleaning and relidding before selling. Put the same CPUs in an Asus Z590? Scores were right. On this MSI one run nets 16.5k. Next run nexts 15.5k. Zero consistency score wise but identical pull and thermals. I'm focused on the drop in temps and pull to give my X170SM-G even more breathing room. In it even, scores are 16.5k proper.

 

I've had this MB since 11th gen launch last year and through numerous 10th gen chips same 15k-15.5k ish scores randomly. 11th gen worked fine.

 

I am glad for the pretty substantial temp and watt drops. That's the magic. 🙂

 

Here is the LTX after a proper relid with the stock IHS (same as the SL relid) same conditions and environment with a 10min CB23 run

 

 

 

 

Nice thermal enhancement for sure.

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

5W lower and near 1000 points down. Whats up? Something nasty from Windows fired up in the background?  But nice temp reduction😎

Most likely. If it is a recent release and/or a fully updated version of Windoze then performance is going to be extremely erratic and stunted. There is so much random trash wasting CPU clock cycles that it is a small wonder it is even bootable because the system is drowning in its own vomit. The difference in performance between my unmolested version of LTSC 2019 and my crash dummy OS makes it seem like a different computer when I boot the OS filled with autonomously transmitted STDs. Using ESO to tranquilize the virus payload helps, but it doesn't result in a cure.

[Papusan]

GTX 670 - 3DM Vantage. Improved to 4th place 🙂 Can't do that with the new and shiny touch friendly disaster (Win 11) from Microsoft. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5049659_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_670_54747_marks?recalculate=true

[Clamibot]

There are 2 RX 6900 XT models available for $700 now. These are the Powercolor and Gigabyte versions.

 

Let the GPU price drops continue!

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

There are 2 RX 6900 XT models available for $700 now. These are the Powercolor and Gigabyte versions.

 

Let the GPU price drops continue!

 

Asrock 6900xt and 6950xt down to 850 and 1000....

 

I told my son on law to hold off and wait a bit because he's chomping at the bit to have me build him a desktop. If he plays his cards right, he will save a nice chunk and get a killer 6900xt + 5800X3D system  that will last him for years considering he's still playing on a 4810mq / 970m laptop and doing ok. His budget is right around 1500 and that pricing for a high end system is becoming a reality. I have parts galore to help round it out for him so he can fit his budget too if needed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Asrock 6900xt and 6950xt down to 850 and 1000....

 

I told my son on law to hold off and wait a bit because he's chomping at the bit to have me build him a desktop. If he plays his cards right, he will save a nice chunk and get a killer 6900xt + 5800X3D system  that will last him for years considering he's still playing on a 4810mq / 970m laptop and doing ok. His budget is right around 1500 and that pricing for a high end system is becoming a reality. I have parts galore to help round it out for him so he can fit his budget too if needed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

dude hes gonna be over the moon!

[ryan]

word to the big bird rocking you from the big apple to the pineapple

[Mr. Fox]

I am puzzled that anyone would deliberately build a new system with that castrated "gamer" CPU. The brain-numbing effect of compromise that a market flooded with emasculated BGA notebook filth for 6 to 8 years has really taken its toll on common sense. There has always been an elevated level of cognitive deficit among the sheeple, but the herd appears to have been overwhelmed by a pandemic of stupidity.

[cylix]

On 7/26/2022 at 11:34 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I don't know how the cards can drop any lower since Jayztwocents just told us a week or so ago they weren't going to drop any lower and we need to BUY NOW! Clearly the market is wrong.... 🙄

 

 Hahaha, the guy is so funny, and he made 2 Youtube videos about that the prices will not drop anymore and we should buy :D. Im just waiting for his apology video 😁

 

In Germany i get every day new offers for the GPUs. 3080ti is around 1k and 3090 touching 1200 any moment now...the second hand market is full with GPUS, the miners are unloading the stock, getting panic cus the ETH merge is around the corner. You can get second hand 3090 with 800 900 Euros.

 

But im holding strong, latest leaks suggest that 4080 is more powerful or on par with the 3090ti. Really impressed about the leap if its true.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/timespy-rtx-4080-faster-3090-ti

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am puzzled that anyone would deliberately build a new system with that castrated "gamer" CPU. The brain-numbing effect of compromise that a market flooded with emasculated BGA notebook filth for 6 to 8 years has really taken its toll on common sense. There has always been an elevated level of cognitive deficit among the sheeple, but the herd appears to have been overwhelmed by a pandemic of stupidity.

 

If all you do is general use and gaming is your only taxing computing task, 5800X3D makes all types of sense price and performance. If my sole taxing criteria was gaming only at 1080p or 1440p and my games loved the 5800X3D architecture I would have zero problems going with a 5800X3D and an AMD GPU.

 

I can literally get a basic betty B550 + uber cheap 3200 2x16GB sticks and get out of the box performance on this level decimating everything in its path:

 

Default all:

 

 

Tuned ram:

 

 

Max OC and Max tuned ram:

 

 

All he plays is FFXIV and WoW and quite frankly you have to tweak the snot out of a 12th gen system AND run a 12900k (pray for a good IMC and a good MB to handle that speed) along with higher end memory and tweak everything to match the performance of a 5800X3D to finally eclipse it with a basic board and 3200 (yes 3200) sticks of memory since that V cache absolutely sings with WoW, FFXIV and many other games.

 

Even a 12600k has to be pushed with an OC and hope you get a good IMC to run 4000+ DDR4 or 6600+ DDR5 and even then it doesn't match the performance of the 5800X3D + 3200. Seeing as I had a couple 12900k's not even be able to break 3733.......

 

I would never push any type of OC on his system. Maybe some primary and terts tweaking a little but nothing like the constant tweaking and modding I do on my own systems with the memory, CPU and GPU. It's all about 24/7 stability and game ready.

 

Of course if your games do not take advantage of that monster cache then re-evaluate your situation. His games (and many others) do.

 

WoW runs better e-cores off as regardless of the scheduler it still takes frequent trips over to those e-cores and you get these erratic drops in fps for a few seconds before it finds its way home. Hopefully they can fix that in the future.

 

GPU wise, he will game at 1080p or 1440p high refresh and doesn't care a hoot about RT nor NVENC and the 6900xt is a monster at that resolution for WoW providing 3090 level performance at a now $700 price point.

 

Turn on SAM and it gets even better vs rebar.

WoW supports FSR but not DLSS.

 

Price:Performance 5800X3D + 6900XT (or 6950XT if they get crazy low prices too)  for gaming (especially depending on games) is a killer combo and the logical choice.

 

From a pure WoW perspective, if I wanted max frames at 4k, AMD GPUs with FSR  make the most sense but I won't give up RT nor do I want image upscaling. Nvidia still rules the roost for 4k gaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

Yeah MMO's love that extra cache space, happened on the 4980hq and the 5775c iirc as well as some particular titles.

 

Im soured a bit at the loss of OC but I may still pick one up used or something later 

[electrosoft]

Right in the pills! 😁

 

Most likely letting more units go because (shockingly) the E-1 launch didn't go anywhere near what they planned (what? 5k semi prebuilt with a $1.5k case didn't rush out the door? I'm shocked 🙂 ).

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Yeah MMO's love that extra cache space, happened on the 4980hq and the 5775c iirc as well as some particular titles.

 

Im soured a bit at the loss of OC but I may still pick one up used or something later 

 

So true, but for him there will be zero OC's everywhere even if I switched to Intel it would be near stock across the board.

 

I've been running pcpartpicker scenarios and it still is a bit too expensive so far even going with Gigabyte (which I do not want) and tossing in some of my parts so the wait continues.

 

 

[Reciever]

14 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

So true, but for him there will be zero OC's everywhere even if I switched to Intel it would be near stock across the board.

 

I've been running pcpartpicker scenarios and it still is a bit too expensive so far even going with Gigabyte (which I do not want) and tossing in some of my parts so the wait continues.

 

 

Yeah in those scenarios the x3d chip shines the most, it's practically a tailor made chip at that point. 

 

Price will likely drop when ever amd releases the next Gen 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

So true, but for him there will be zero OC's everywhere even if I switched to Intel it would be near stock across the board.

 

I've been running pcpartpicker scenarios and it still is a bit too expensive so far even going with Gigabyte (which I do not want) and tossing in some of my parts so the wait continues.

Some of the anti-AMD vs anti-Intel comments relating to this article are very funny. Fanboys will be fanboys, LOL. I suspect many of them are just repeating what their friends told them, who are also repeating what their friends friends told them. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-3d-v-cache-cpu-runs-cooler-after-being-delidded/

 

I don't have an issue with people that don't care about overclocking. Some people still believe there is something immoral or inherently "dangerous" or "evil" about it and refuse to do it because of their strange misunderstanding about things. Even some so-called computer experts still think that way. Some don't care as long as the game plays well enough because they are gamers, not overclocking enthusiasts. That's all that matters for them and I am totally OK with that.

 

I do have a problem with the product and the maker of it though. Taking a CPU with special performance-enhancing features and cutting off its man parts to eliminate the ability to overclock it is unacceptable. I question the motives and integrity of a company that intentionally plays to the interests of gamers by selling them something crippled just because they can get away with it. I do realize the people that buy it don't care, or they haven't researched things enough to know that they might care later when they discover that issue, but that doesn't change my animosity toward that behavior by the company that produced it. That's the same kind of Nazi crap most folks have grown numb to and are willing to tolerate with castrated turdbooks. "A little bit of leaven..." It clears a path to an expansion of the nonsense like the tragedy that has occurred with laptops. Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink.

[Clamibot]

I posted this in the Clevo X170SM-G Owner's Lounge, but I'm posting it here too for those of you who don't follow that thread.

 

Previously, the highest speed I could achieve in my Clevo X170SM-G was 5.4 GHz, both single and all core. Obviously this laptop doesn't have the cooling to sustain that speed indefinitely on all cores, only for very short bursts. It can however sustain that indefinitely for low core count loads.

 

I wanted to try and achieve a higher speed on a single core as there was still voltage and thermal headroom left for that. 5.4 GHz is already amazing in a laptop, but why not try to take it higher? We are enthusiasts who love tuning our computers after all.

 

After some messing around, I was able to do 5.5 GHz single core in my Clevo X170SM-G!

 

It seems there is a temperature requirement for any speeds higher than 5.4 GHz, at least when the CPU is in this laptop. I'd imagine it'd be the same for desktops at some point, since high temperatures will cause instability at high speeds unless the voltage is increased.

 

It's really cool seeing my laptop's CPU running this cool, hehe.🤣

 

I was able to do 5.5 GHz single core until the temperature rose above 158°F (70°C), at which point the system froze.

 

I'm gonna try for 5.6 GHz single core next. Hopefully I don't blow any VRMs.

[Clamibot]

5.6 GHz is not possible on the Clevo X170SM-G. 5.5 GHz is the max possible speed on this laptop. No matter what I did, the system would freeze.

 

I dropped temperatures further too.

 

Condensation started forming on the laptop, so I stopped dropping the temperature further. 5.5 GHz is achievable on a max of 6 cores. Any more and the laptop freezes.

 

I'm thinking there's a current limit on the motherboard that is limiting how high I can go as there is a lot of temperature headroom left even at 5.5 GHz. The motherboard is the equivalent of a budget Z490 desktop motherboard though, so that makes sense.

 

Next up, this same super 10900K is going into my new workstation I've been building. It has a really beefy high end Z590 motherboard in it, so I should be able to take the CPU higher in it.