*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Bought a GT75 Titan GPU heatsink and took it apart and mangled a few heatpipes (bent and expanded.) Not all of them are screwed though, and I might be able to build a VRM heating like this (with a smaller copper plate though):

The only way for me to cool the VRMs would be something like the picture above. I know one giant heatpipe would be better, but this may be the only way to do it. How viable would this be?

I might be able to test if I can order a few small copper plates and I can use some other spare heatpipes to test how effective the transfer would be from the plate to the 2nd heatpipe.
 

It will probably work fine. VRMs are not as difficult to keep cool as a CPU or GPU, so any way you give the heat a path off the VRM is going to bring improvement. Just a fan blowing on them is enough in some cases.

[Tenoroon]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will probably work fine. VRMs are not as difficult to keep cool as a CPU or GPU, so any way you give the heat a path off the VRM is going to bring improvement. Just a fan blowing on them is enough in some cases.

Yeah, I'm just worried as I plan on pushing the 1070 to 160+ watts when I improve the die cooling. I wouldn't want the VRMs to be slammed with heat as then they will be less efficient and then have to work harder.

[Mr. Fox]

I can see already that the dipsticks at MicroStar are going to give the retarded clowns running the ASUS dumpster fire a run for their money on sucky service. Open a ticket on the web and wait for them to care enough to act. Bastards. I am just not in the mood for one of their clusters right now.

 

I should have done this in the first place, but definitely not very intelligent at the original ludicrous MSRP of $830. Now that the price is $330 less it's worth the extra $50-75~ over the cost of the product I purchased from one of their inferior competitors. It kind of sucks that I am going to lose a couple of M.2 NVMe slots, but I will replace them with SATA SSD (spare parts) with no regrets. Had this been an EVGA failure it would be totally resolved by Monday or Tuesday and I bet I don't even hear from these numbnuts before then.

 

 

I should be able to sell the free backpack for enough to at least offset the sales tax.

 

If and when MicroStar makes it right then I will have to decide whether to sell the Z690 Strix D4 or Unify-X. 

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Yeah, I'm just worried as I plan on pushing the 1070 to 160+ watts when I improve the die cooling. I wouldn't want the VRMs to be slammed with heat as then they will be less efficient and then have to work harder.

Remember that even guys doing extreme overclocking on LN2 usually don't use anything more than a 120mm fan blowing on VRMs, so that 160-175W should be fine with what you are planning. Even 200W isn't all that much power to need to deal with if done right. I would be surprised if what you are planning doesn't turn out to be more than enough. Hard to say if the heatpipe with no radiator on the cold end would be adequate, but it might be if there is ample air circulation around the heat pipe.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see already that the dipsticks at MicroStar are going to give the retarded clowns running the ASUS dumpster fire a run for their money on sucky service. Open a ticket on the web and wait for them to care enough to act. Bastards. I just not in the mood for one of their clusters right now.

 

I should have done this in the first place, but definitely not very intelligent at the original ludicrous MSRP of $830. Now that the price is $330 less it's worth the extra $50-75~ over the cost of the product I purchased from one of their inferior competitors. It kind of sucks that I am going to lose a couple of M.2 NVMe slots, but I will replace them with SATA SSD (spare parts) with no regrets. Had this been an EVGA failure it would be totally resolved by Monday or Tuesday and I bet I don't even hear from these numbnuts before then.

 

 

I should be able to sell the free backpack for enough to at least offset the sales tax.

 

If and when MicroStar makes it right then I will have to decide whether to sell the Z690 Strix D4 or Unify-X. 

 

I am so tempted by that sale. I really want a 2x memory slot board and this is easily the KINGPIN board to get this gen. Will be ready for some nice Raptor Lake clocks. They are looking mighty tasty at over 6Ghz under chillers. 

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I am so tempted by that sale. I really want a 2x memory slot board and this is easily the KINGPIN board to get this gen. Will be ready for some nice Raptor Lake clocks. They are looking mighty tasty at over 6Ghz under chillers. 

When I first switched to EVGA from ASUS the BIOS was the difficult thing to get used to, but I really miss it now. ASUS and MSI BIOS has more silly crap on the menus, but the simplicity, functionality and results from EVGA Dark mobo firmware really leaves everything else in the dust. As long as everything is maxed out the way it should be, who give a rat's butt if you can see it on a menu. I know I don't. One less stupid thing that I need to fart around with disabling or maxing out to get the results I want.

 

I also appreciate the fact that their software hasn't been farmed out to the whoredom of the Micro$lop Store like the deplorable filth from MSI and ASUS. Some people need to lose their jobs and a few limbs at MSI and ASUS for allowing that kind of idiotic crap to occur. Comparing their frequent demonstrations of abject incompetent nonsense with the better product quality and much better service and support, EVGA really is a no-brainer for me. I won't pass judgment on MSI until we see how this plays out, but I can't imagine them being any more sucky than ASUS. I certainly hope not. I love the Unify-X mobo. When it works right it is fantastic.

[Papusan]

Intel try make their glued together processors (14th gen) more appealing for the power enthusiasts. Arc now also for iGPU.  Intel bashed AMD hard for their HEDT TR processors (use of two different type dies). But themself will now glue 3 different silicon on one and same pcb substrate. Yep, they will even beat AMD regarding amount glued together piece of silicon. Because new refreshed iGPU is very important tech from Intel for tomorrows pc users..... Yep, Intel beat AMD with 3-2 for glued products, LOOL

 

 

RUMOR

 2022-08-20 08:57

Intel Meteor Lake iGPU might support ray tracing acceleration

 

I hope bro @electrosoftwill keep his new Arch graphics cards long enough to enjoy Intel's new driver/software policy.... But installers issues won't fix loads of driver bugs/issues. Or does it?🙃

 

 

NEWS

 2022-08-20 12:52

Intel reported 43 Arc GPU drivers issues from one Gamers Nexus review alone

 

Intel Arc drivers will move to combined package later this year, “no more installers issues”.

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, Reciever said:

I spent some time on my desktop this evening. 

 

Swapped out the 3080 for the 3090 since I wont be mining as much on the 3090 (not very efficient)

 

Also dialed in some tuning for the AM4 desktop. 

 

I was surprised to be able to get a stable 3800Mhz out of the DDR4 ram considering this sBIOS is (I believe) still on release version, at the very least I have never updated it. 09/04/2019 F5 version for my Aorus Pro WiFi (ITX). Was hoping to get 4000Mhz but I would likely need to update my sBIOS for that to happen? So far was able to get 4.3Ghz on the CPU, not sure if this chip has 4.4Ghz in it or not, maybe I will keep testing tomorrow.

 

While I am sure many here wouldnt approve, I have tuned my 3090 for what ever I can get out of 1V, seems to like 2050Mhz on the core and +1250 on the memory. Reason being I am running all this on a 550w SFF PSU. Its a good unit, and its been letting me push the CPU while not complaining about the (initial) 400w from the GPU lol

 

 

 

whoa dude that poor little 550W psu...

 

ive also been pushing the ram on my lady's machine, happy to say i was able to reach 3733 Mhz! thats the highest ive ever gotten out of DDR4 in a laptop 🤠 and yep, definitely not possible without Prema Mod....

[Reciever]

5 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

whoa dude that poor little 550W psu...

 

ive also been pushing the ram on my lady's machine, happy to say i was able to reach 3733 Mhz! thats the highest ive ever gotten out of DDR4 in a laptop 🤠 and yep, definitely not possible without Prema Mod....

Well I previously used to run 350w on my 5700xt daily so I figured I would keep it to similar levels. This is just my gaming/general PC so I dont need anything over the top for its use case. I mean I also used to run 190w 1080 and 100w CPU on a 330w watt.

 

Now if I decided to start seeking benchmarks then I would need to pull out the 1200w server PSU with a breakout board to not push the 550w well past its limits lol

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Intel try make their glued together processors (14th gen) more appealing for the power enthusiasts. Arc now also for iGPU.  Intel bashed AMD hard for their HEDT TR processors (use of two different type dies). But themself will now glue 3 different silicon on one and same pcb substrate. Yep, they will even beat AMD regarding amount glued together piece of silicon. Because new refreshed iGPU is very important tech from Intel for tomorrows pc users..... Yep, Intel beat AMD with 3-2 for glued products, LOOL

 

 

RUMOR

 2022-08-20 08:57

Intel Meteor Lake iGPU might support ray tracing acceleration

 

I hope bro @electrosoftwill keep his new Arch graphics cards long enough to enjoy Intel's new driver/software policy.... But installers issues won't fix loads of driver bugs/issues. Or does it?🙃

 

 

NEWS

 2022-08-20 12:52

Intel reported 43 Arc GPU drivers issues from one Gamers Nexus review alone

 

Intel Arc drivers will move to combined package later this year, “no more installers issues”.

 

 

 

 

I'm expecting a total driver crap show Brother @Papusan with the A380 as they work out the kinks. I want to see it in real time at the least cost possible! Something new to play (and curse at) with. 🙂

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see already that the dipsticks at MicroStar are going to give the retarded clowns running the ASUS dumpster fire a run for their money on sucky service. Open a ticket on the web and wait for them to care enough to act. Bastards. I just not in the mood for one of their clusters right now.

 

I should have done this in the first place, but definitely not very intelligent at the original ludicrous MSRP of $830. Now that the price is $330 less it's worth the extra $50-75~ over the cost of the product I purchased from one of their inferior competitors. It kind of sucks that I am going to lose a couple of M.2 NVMe slots, but I will replace them with SATA SSD (spare parts) with no regrets. Had this been an EVGA failure it would be totally resolved by Monday or Tuesday and I bet I don't even hear from these numbnuts before then.

 

 

I should be able to sell the free backpack for enough to at least offset the sales tax.

 

If and when MicroStar makes it right then I will have to decide whether to sell the Z690 Strix D4 or Unify-X. 

 

@Mr. Fox Go back and use my Associate's code and save an extra $25! JL6DSXQIKJ0DVZP

EVGA did away with the EVGA bucks program but the code will still give you 5% off.

 

I've been mulling picking one up too. It is the superior board.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm expecting a total driver crap show Brother @Papusan with the A380 as they work out the kinks. I want to see it in real time at the least cost possible! Something new to play (and curse at) with. 🙂

Drivers can make a massive difference in features and performance. It should be (or has potential to be) fun seeing the performance improve over time as they figure things out.

[Papusan]

34 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm expecting a total driver crap show Brother @Papusan with the A380 as they work out the kinks. I want to see it in real time at the least cost possible! Something new to play (and curse at) with. 🙂

 

 

Yep, they have still some time to fix it. As you saw… Arc graphics architecture  will also come to 14th gen glued on hybrid processors. Aka late 2023. Or maybe within 2024(if AMD follows same release schedule as they did for 5000 series Ryzen chips). You bought the budget model so you won’t lose a lot of money 🙂 And a lots of fun forwards if the Arc cards is good overclockers as some say. 

[Mr. Fox]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

@Mr. Fox Go back and use my Associate's code and save an extra $25! JL6DSXQIKJ0DVZP

EVGA did away with the EVGA bucks program but the code will still give you 5% off.

 

I've been mulling picking one up too. It is the superior board.

I emailed the sales department and asked them to apply it to my order. Hopefully they will. Thank you.

[Papusan]

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

Intel try make their glued together processors (14th gen) more appealing for the power enthusiasts. Arc now also for iGPU.  Intel bashed AMD hard for their HEDT TR processors (use of two different type dies). But themself will now glue 3 different silicon on one and same pcb substrate. Yep, they will even beat AMD regarding amount glued together piece of silicon. Because new refreshed iGPU is very important tech from Intel for tomorrows pc users..... Yep, Intel beat AMD with 3-2 for glued products, LOOL

Maybe this below is the reason Intel bashed AMD hard for glued together processors? AMD was able to make it works but Intel failed hard with similar tech? Who stole who'm idea with glue as secret weapon in processor enginnering? Yep, the reason Intel bashed AMD for the same idea was because they themself failed so hard with same/similar tech. 

 

Intel.................. Why they failed 

 

From the article:

It's a shame this triple chiplet design never came to the market. Cannon Lake was one of Intel's worst, if not the worst, architecture ever released, featuring a horrible implementation of Intel's first 10nm process (now rebranded to Intel 7), less than two years of support, and only one CPU supporting the architecture.

Rare Intel Cannon Lake CPU Emerges With Three Chiplets

A mysterious Intel Cannon Lake prototype processor has surfaced in the wild, rocking up to three chiplets. Hardware leaker YuuKi_AnS(opens in new tab) shared the images on Twitter, and CPU expert SkyJuice60(opens in new tab) detailed the third die's function.

 

[jaybee83]

23 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Maybe this below is the reason Intel bashed AMD hard for glued together processors? AMD was able to make it works but Intel failed hard with similar tech? Who stole who'm idea with glue as secret weapon in processor enginnering? Yep, the reason Intel bashed AMD for the same idea was because they themself failed so hard with same/similar tech. 

 

Intel.................. Why they failed 

 

From the article:

It's a shame this triple chiplet design never came to the market. Cannon Lake was one of Intel's worst, if not the worst, architecture ever released, featuring a horrible implementation of Intel's first 10nm process (now rebranded to Intel 7), less than two years of support, and only one CPU supporting the architecture.

Rare Intel Cannon Lake CPU Emerges With Three Chiplets

A mysterious Intel Cannon Lake prototype processor has surfaced in the wild, rocking up to three chiplets. Hardware leaker YuuKi_AnS(opens in new tab) shared the images on Twitter, and CPU expert SkyJuice60(opens in new tab) detailed the third die's function.

 

 

very cool find, separate CPU, I/O and Voltage Regulator dies, crazy stuff!

[Mr. Fox]

For those that like using air, this may be of interest. It looks like IceGiant took the negative feedback to heart and are releasing a new and improved copper base version that beats the NH-D15 by a little bit. If I were interested in air cooling, I would prefer the look of this product over a typical tower cooler. This is a pre-release prototype so it doesn't have the polished look of the original. While still inferior to a good liquid cooling setup, improvement is always good.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 8/19/2022 at 11:53 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I hope they don't give me a bunch of crap like they did Brother @johnkssswhen he had his MSI RMA fiasco.

I'm so elated that I bought something from MSI that I could just poop my pants. At first blush, it looks like MSI might suck just as bad as ASUS does. I guess the ultimate test will be whether they make lame excuses and fabricate lies to shirk their responsibility like ASUS is so famous for. I'm going to inconspicuously mark this motherboard with a unique identifier in addition to the serial number tag and take a butt-load of DLSR photos of things, including the perfect CPU socket pins, and see where this chocolate choo-choo train leads.

 

 

In technical terminology, this is what one calls "not giving a rat's ass about customer experience or brand identity" LOL. Looks like they have perfected the cure for repeat business. "Thank you for spending your money with MSI. What can we do to make sure you never do it again? We love your money, just not you."

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For those that like using air, this may be of interest. It looks like IceGiant took the negative feedback to heart and are releasing a new and improved copper base version that beats the NH-D15 by a little bit. If I were interested in air cooling, I would prefer the look of this product over a typical tower cooler. This is a pre-release prototype so it doesn't have the polished look of the original. While still inferior to a good liquid cooling setup, improvement is always good.

 

 

 

 

Still not great and I am not a fan of noise normalized tests but at least in the normalized tests with gaming and even CB R20  it does well and finally knocks off the NH-D15.

 

Definitely look forward to a final production unit for real world results and uncapped fans.

 

 

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Still not great and I am not a fan of noise normalized tests but at least in the normalized tests with gaming and even CB R20  it does well and finally knocks off the NH-D15.

 

Definitely look forward to a final production unit for real world results and uncapped fans.

 

 

For now I see this as a novelty product but I do like that they have responded to criticism and are making attempts to rectify. These days companies tend to engage in the scenario of death of a thousand cuts or hope you just forget about a less than stellar showing in a number of scenarios.

 

Looking forward to what they bring to the table.

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For those that like using air, this may be of interest. It looks like IceGiant took the negative feedback to heart and are releasing a new and improved copper base version that beats the NH-D15 by a little bit. If I were interested in air cooling, I would prefer the look of this product over a typical tower cooler. This is a pre-release prototype so it doesn't have the polished look of the original. While still inferior to a good liquid cooling setup, improvement is always good.

 

 

ha was thinking of our convo here when i saw the vid last night 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Definitely look forward to a final production unit for real world results and uncapped fans.

Yep, I do not like when they do that. At the very least, there should be a maximum fan speed thermal test and the winner should be the winner in terms of cooling regardless of noise level. People that are annoyed by fan noise and want good cooling results at low fan speeds should consider water cooling if they are still using air.

[Clamibot]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yep, I do not like when they do that. At the very least, there should be a maximum fan speed thermal test and the winner should be the winner in terms of cooling regardless of noise level. People that are annoyed by fan noise and want good cooling results at low fan speeds should consider water cooling if they are still using air.

 

I still run my fans at full blast even with water cooling. I have 3 Noctua iPPC 3000 RPM fans attached to my radiator. The airflow is insane, and so is the cooling. The only bottleneck here now is the heat transfer directly out of the CPU into the loop.

[electrosoft]

Intel making earnest strides to work on the software side of their ARC GPUs after critical reviews of initial release:

 

 

[1610ftw]

On 8/13/2022 at 6:42 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Introducing "Half-Breed" as the newest member of the Fox menagerie. I call him that because the CPU is BGA filth and the GPU is standard MXM. The GPU is a Pascal Quadro with 16GB of GDDR5. It came with a single 16GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2400, so I ordered a matching module and slapped an 8GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2133 in one of the 3 open slots for dual channel while waiting for the matching stick to arrive. I also ordered another NVMe SSD so it will have two 1TB NVMe and one 2.5-inch 1TB SATA SSD.

 

Precision 17 7720 in full metal jacket. Very nice work machine except for the soldered CPU filth. Sucker is very heavy, good cooling system, just the way I want it. Not thin and light boiling pile of trash. I downgraded the BIOS from current year "security freak" performance-killling garbage to the oldest firmware version the BIOS would allow for version regression and disabled all of the ludicrous security nonsense in the BIOS (and, believe me when I say there is a crap ton of security cancer in there). I can't imagine living life in fear of the digital boogie man to that degree. It is a miracle a computer would actually make it through POST with the amount of security garbage available to choke it to death.

 

The Quadro P5000 is essentially a locked version of a 1080 with 16GB of VRAM.

 

Everyone gets a trophy for participation. All first place scores, but sole submissions, LOL.

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Haha, all first place scores sounds good - instant legend 😄

 

I have a number of half-breeds and it is quite infuriating how good they can be if it wasn't for the crappy soldered CPU.

I currently use the 7760 most of the time and it is indeed well built and has really usable fan curves even without any add-on trickery - it was a nice surprise. I still hate that rubbery palm rest and that the bottom has to be held in by screws whereas on almost all other laptops I can just snap it in but other than that it is a pretty refined user experience that also works well with external thunderbolt docks and 10G network adapters. With some added TLC it also has nice cooling capability for the SSD slots by effectively turning the bottom cover into a big SSD heatsink.