Have you upgraded to Windows 11?

[K4sum1]

*Laughs in Windows 7*

 

[Papusan]

Windows 11 users who have installed Microsoft's operating system on devices that don't meet the minimum system requirements may have run into troubles installing recent updates. Updates may fail to install on these devices and users may be puzzled as to why that is happening.

 

[JeanLegi]

I try it and go back to windows 10... as long as possible i will use it.

[Azther]

i stumbled across something interesting on youtube the other day, a user by the name Ghost Spectre makes cut down streamlined versions of windows. He gave windows 11 the same treatment apparently, however i always steer clear of those custom ISOs out of security concerns unless its been thoroughly checked over. Makes me wonder if his tweaks have made it more tolerable, personally i hope they release an LTSC variant at some point

[Katja]

So now I might have to upgrade (but to me it seems like a downgrade due to the direction with ads and such) to Windows 11 if I end up upgrading to Alder Lake next month; but honestly I'm torn because as much as I hate a lot of things with Windows 11, Alder Lake seems so promising; and I'd be okay with a Ryzen processor, but I have a feeling that AM4 is gonna be EoL in a year or two, and I just don't know where I stand on this.

 

Due to the market here, I basically have to go with a prebuilt and it's either an i7 12700k or a Ryzen 9 5900x; and honestly I don't know; Windows support basically will make or break my decision. I'm not fond at all of the direction the OS is headed with monetizing the user more than Windows 10 already was (and at least that you can surely mitigate), but Alder Lake's scheduler is still messy in Linux, and I want to try it, but I do have to keep Windows for some things I need.

 

Basically, I might have my hand forced to use Windows 11 if the issues with the E-cores on Alder Lake aren't fixed yet. Slight frustration on my end. but I didn't know where to put it; I only want to avoid AMD because the socket probably only has a year or two left, but who knows. The whole "ads in Windows Explorer" rubbed me the wrong way, very badly.

[Aaron44126]

1 hour ago, Katja said:

So now I might have to upgrade (but to me it seems like a downgrade due to the direction with ads and such) to Windows 11 if I end up upgrading to Alder Lake next month.

 

I'm planning an Alder Lake upgrade within the next few months and I will be running Windows 10 on it, regardless of whether or not Microsoft backports Thread Director support.  I just posted over here in the Precision section my thoughts on the situation.  I think that Windows 10 on Alder Lake will be workable even without Thread Director support, at least if you are aware of what the potential issues are and the available workarounds.

 

(Ads in File Explorer is only the latest problem, I have this other post going into detail on my issues with Windows 11.  And Windows 10 isn't immune to added cruft either.  In addition to the "news & interests" feature that they added last year, they're now adding this "search highlights" feature which actually might throw stuff into your taskbar and search for holidays and the like.  LTSC avoids post-release feature additions like this.)

[Katja]

On 3/17/2022 at 1:45 PM, Aaron44126 said:

 

I'm planning an Alder Lake upgrade within the next few months and I will be running Windows 10 on it, regardless of whether or not Microsoft backports Thread Director support.  I just posted over here in the Precision section my thoughts on the situation.  I think that Windows 10 on Alder Lake will be workable even without Thread Director support, at least if you are aware of what the potential issues are and the available workarounds.

 

(Ads in File Explorer is only the latest problem, I have this other post going into detail on my issues with Windows 11.  And Windows 10 isn't immune to added cruft either.  In addition to the "news & interests" feature that they added last year, they're now adding this "search highlights" feature which actually might throw stuff into your taskbar and search for holidays and the like.  LTSC avoids post-release feature additions like this.)

Honestly, with the improvements coming in Linux 5.18, more likely than not I'll end up with a single-gpu passthrough setup to run Windows 10 in a virtual machine and keep Linux as my host (which was my original plan with dual gpu, but unlikely to pull two 6900 XT cards out of my ass). I have realistically no reason to keep using Windows outside of a single game, and my hopes is that its anticheat gets some form of Linux compatibility in the future.

 

If they backport ITD to Windows 10, that'd be really nice, but probably by the time it does I'll just no longer be using Windows; it's a bad taste in my mouth for my personal enjoyment.

[Eban]

1 hour ago, Katja said:

Honestly, with the improvements coming in Linux 5.18, more likely than not I'll end up with a single-gpu passthrough setup to run Windows 10 in a virtual machine and keep Linux as my host (which was my original plan with dual gpu, but unlikely to pull two 6900 XT cards out of my ass). I have realistically no reason to keep using Windows outside of a single game, and my hopes is that its anticheat gets some form of Linux compatibility in the future.

 

If they backport ITD to Windows 10, that'd be really nice, but probably by the time it does I'll just no longer be using Windows; it's a bad taste in my mouth for my personal enjoyment.

Now THAT is a good idea I hadnt considered ...using Linux as the host and VM windows.   *research research*

 

In the mean time...I went backwards to windows 95    (just playing some old games)

[Katja]

38 minutes ago, Eban said:

Now THAT is a good idea I hadnt considered ...using Linux as the host and VM windows.   *research research*

 

In the mean time...I went backwards to windows 95    (just playing some old games)

Not really any retro games I'm particularly interested in currently, but I'll keep an eye out and see if anything catches my eye (might need a Windows XP virtual machine for some stuff eventually)

[Eban]

Replied here

 

[Papusan]

Microsoft want to help you out take the right choices for what OS to go for. Expect more to come 🙂

 

Windows 11: Microsoft approves desktop watermark for unsupported PCs
https://efgxt.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=4004&_rid=79

[Papusan]

Windows 11 22H2 may have even stricter hardware requirements winaero.com | march 26, 2021

 

While Windows 11 has somewhat draconian hardware requirements, some of them still can be bypassed. You could still install the stable Windows 11 version on officially unsupported devices. However, the upcoming Windows 11 22H2 may change the game.

 

The German website dr Windows,  with reference to one of its readers, reports that Windows 11 running on an unsupported PC can now longer receive the latest Beta build.

Even if you can get it to work with a few tricks. Why bother with this ongoing mess when we already have Win 10/2019 LTSC? @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix 

[Mr. Fox]

It is good to see the Redmond Retards continue to fail hard with decisions that demonstrate they are a cluster of imbeciles. This has potential to be useful as a means of signing their own death warrant. It confirms their nefarious intent and documents the fact that they are unworthy of patronage. Even some of the Kool-Aid drinking sheeple will be smart enough to know when it is time to draw a line in the sand with respect to how much idiocy they will tolerate.

[Aaron44126]

I think it can be expected that Windows 11 users running on “unsupported hardware” will have to take manual action to upgrade to 22H2 and all future Windows 11 “feature upgrade” builds.  This would be the case if they are trying to get them through the Insider Program (beta or release preview channel), or after it is officially released.  They won’t be pushed down through Windows Update.

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

I think it can be expected that Windows 11 users running on “unsupported hardware” will have to take manual action to upgrade to 22H2 and all future Windows 11 “feature upgrade” builds.  This would be the case if they are trying to get them through the Insider Program (beta or release preview channel), or after it is officially released.  They won’t be pushed down through Windows Update.

In my mind that is a good thing. I take active steps to block them from molesting my computers with update filth and if I want a version upgrade I will handle that myself on my own terms.

[Papusan]

On 3/26/2022 at 12:30 PM, Aaron44126 said:

I think it can be expected that Windows 11 users running on “unsupported hardware” will have to take manual action to upgrade to 22H2 and all future Windows 11 “feature upgrade” builds.

But why should they? The editors at Pcworld is't the sharpest knives in the drawer, but sometimes they push out some golden nuggets. See bolded text below.

 

When will Windows 11 stop screwing up the little things? 

I have no reason to leave Windows 10, which works extremely well. Our official Windows 11 six-month report card reached a similar conclusion. In fact, I feel sorry for new PC owners saddled with what feels like a half-baked operating system.

https://notebooktalk.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=4993&_rid=79

[Aaron44126]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But why should they?

 

Honestly, it could be beneficial to be able to upgrade on your own timeline without being nagged.  But, support for Windows 11 version 21H2 Home/Pro will end by the end of year 2023 (well before Windows 10 support ends).  It might be possible to extend this by shoving in patches sent to Windows 11 Enterprise users, but not by more than one year as Enterprise edition support ends by the end of 2024.

 

As end of support approaches, Windows 11 users running "unsupported hardware" will have to decide whether to stay on 21H2 (and forego security updates), jump through the hoops necessary to upgrade to Windows 11 version 22H2, or switch to a different OS.

[solidus1983]

I have clean installed Windows 11 Pro instead of Windows 10, the only thing I am hating right now is the start menu and Start11 seems to cause issues with Microsoft search hogging CPU resources right now so uninstalled it for now. I so miss the like tiles as I had that set up nicely for all my important apps.

[Steerpike]

On 4/16/2022 at 8:20 AM, solidus1983 said:

I have clean installed Windows 11 Pro instead of Windows 10, the only thing I am hating right now is the start menu and Start11 seems to cause issues with Microsoft search hogging CPU resources right now so uninstalled it for now. I so miss the like tiles as I had that set up nicely for all my important apps.

Perhaps try ExplorerPatcher - GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows - it basically allows you to restore many windows 10 features/settings. It's free, and has been working well for me so far. No frills. 

[solidus1983]

5 hours ago, Steerpike said:

Perhaps try ExplorerPatcher - GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows - it basically allows you to restore many windows 10 features/settings. It's free, and has been working well for me so far. No frills. 

 

Thanks for the info, however as its patching a Windows Process directly i am more inclined to worry about Anti-Cheat software flagging it and then banning my account. I am currently using StartAllBack which doesn't have the same issue with CPU resource hogging and i have managed to setup my screen how i like it, although who you of thought i'd say i miss Windows Live Tiles (Ironic i know i hated them in Windows 8 and 8.1). However i will have a look at the source code to see if there is even a slight chance of Anti-cheats flagging it.

[Aaron44126]

5 minutes ago, ryan said:

isn't that illegal? technically if you have a legit copy of windows it will just carry over to 11. I had windows 10 and just installed windows 11 and everything was carried over. maybe it's different in other countries

 

Indeed, third-party KMS servers are not a legit way to obtain a license.

 

You do not need to worry about it if you have Windows 10 Home, Pro, Enterprise or Education editions.  There is no practical difference in licensing from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and the same product key or OEM license will work for both.  (I believe this is true in all territories.)  If you upgrade in-place, you will not be asked for a product key and your system will remain activated.

 

This may not be true for less common Windows editions.

[Reciever]

Content and quoted content has been removed, @Aaron44126 post will remain so that context is provided.

 

Thanks All

[Sandy Bridge]

I was wondering why Katja was looking at AM4 for a new system in 2023 until I noticed the thread is a year old.

 

I just re-installed Windows 10 on my laptop rather than jumping to 11 when I upgraded its storage.  I've recently taken a liking to putting my taskbar on the right side of the screen, and that still hasn't been added to 11.

 

But my dad got a PC with Windows 11, and has been pretty happy with it.  AFAIK he isn't on NotebookTalk or other similarly-hardware-nerdy forums, but he's fairly technical, having been a professional developer.  The taskbar's in the center but there hasn't been anything breaking like I had happen when I jumped on Vista pre-SP1.

 

On the other hand, he's also technical enough to not be bothered by having to learn a few new things.  Maybe that's the sweet spot, technical enough to be willing to try new things, not so technical as to be a super-fan of esoteric features that haven't been carried forward.