Official Clevo X170KM-G Thread

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

 

The out of box experience on the X170KM-G seems to be a hit or miss. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's not. If you're looking for a stable out of the box experience, the X170SM-G is generally much better in that regard, plus Premamod is available for that model. However, if you win the lottery on a good X170KM-G motherboard, the experience will also be good, you just won't have Premamod.

 

The heatsink fitment depends on the laptop you get as there is a heatsink lottery with these models. I got my X170SM-G from zTecpc back when they were selling that model with Premamod, so I got a guaranteed good heatsink.

 

This.

 

You will know pretty quick if you got a good KM. The one I first had back in 2021 was one that would just shut down under heavy load or 3Dmark Timespy and had all types of problems. It also had some problems with different memory modules especially some Ballistix sticks that would lock up from time to time.

 

The one I picked up in December was basically flawless. I was happy (and sad lol) that it required no tweaking or such to get it working as it just worked right out of the box. Even trying different memory types made no difference. It just worked. Gaming temps stayed in the 70s or low 80s. It used a custom GoBOXX BIOS that was incompatible with the Unlock here though so you would need to flash it with a compatible revision then apply the unlock.

 

 

 

 

 

[ViktorV]

X170kmg BIOS modules for working with RAM

[ViktorV]

X170Smg BIOS modules for working with RAM

[ViktorV]

As you can see on x170kmg, a not entirely clear set of modules for working with memory is taken from the H510 chipset and there is no set from the z590 chipset. But on x170smg everything is fine with this, the module for the z490 chipset is present)))). When trying to fix modules for bios from x170kmg, it crashes and the laptop does not work as expected.

[Sniffy]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

This.

 

You will know pretty quick if you got a good KM. The one I first had back in 2021 was one that would just shut down under heavy load or 3Dmark Timespy and had all types of problems. It also had some problems with different memory modules especially some Ballistix sticks that would lock up from time to time.

 

The one I picked up in December was basically flawless. I was happy (and sad lol) that it required no tweaking or such to get it working as it just worked right out of the box. Even trying different memory types made no difference. It just worked. Gaming temps stayed in the 70s or low 80s. It used a custom GoBOXX BIOS that was incompatible with the Unlock here though so you would need to flash it with a compatible revision then apply the unlock.

 

I think this has a lot to do with BIOS and EC firmware being a lot better now. Mine shipped with latest and I haven't had any issues yet. Updating to the latest versions hasn't fixed everyones issue, but I wonder if that's due to leftover from older firmwares that aren't resolved by flashing to the latest. Prema has said on the XMG Discord that the hardware itself is all good.

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@ViktorV
Are you the guy from the XMG Discord Channel from the Russian Group or you are also a member of this group?

Thanks for your work!

[Sneekichu]

Hey all, I just installed the hybrid water heatsink and trying to test if my thermal pads are making good contact on the vrms. Is there a way to tell? I plan to pull the heatsink and look for impressions when I find my good thermal paste. Right now its got Artic Silver 4 as the thermal paste im using for testing. I have 11900k CPU. Its set at a -130mv with all cores at 4.9Ghz. Cinebench R23 gets around 15400 with no crashing on normal testing with temps reaching about 86C max. For comparison sake, I had to have the cpu clocked at 4.3Ghz previously to complete cinebench without thermal throttling so the new water heatsink is making a huge difference in temps. I haven't experienced any crashing yet. The weird thing though is I can be sitting idle or gaming, temps never go above 65C but I get random throttling on individual cores down to 798Mhz. Is this a sign the VRM thermal pads are not making good contact?

 

Thanks!

[crossshot]

With -130mV and water cooling it sounds like not a big gain.

I did some tests in the last week with stock cooler and i9-11900k.

Cinebench R23

14836 -50mV
14866 -60mV
14971 -70mV
15046 -80mV
15022 -85mV
15122 -85mV
15084 -90mV

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Sneekichu said:

Hey all, I just installed the hybrid water heatsink and trying to test if my thermal pads are making good contact on the vrms. Is there a way to tell? I plan to pull the heatsink and look for impressions when I find my good thermal paste. Right now its got Artic Silver 4 as the thermal paste im using for testing. I have 11900k CPU. Its set at a -130mv with all cores at 4.9Ghz. Cinebench R23 gets around 15400 with no crashing on normal testing with temps reaching about 86C max. For comparison sake, I had to have the cpu clocked at 4.3Ghz previously to complete cinebench without thermal throttling so the new water heatsink is making a huge difference in temps. I haven't experienced any crashing yet. The weird thing though is I can be sitting idle or gaming, temps never go above 65C but I get random throttling on individual cores down to 798Mhz. Is this a sign the VRM thermal pads are not making good contact?

 

Thanks!

 

Congrats!

 

Your system is now running exactly as it should with an 11900k. ~15.4k CB23 is a non-throttling score and 86c is right in the sweet spot for a CB23 run with good cooling and/or silicon quality. The fact gaming temps of ~65c just prove your config is working excellently as those are great.

 

You now have the ability to overclock if that is what you seek or just use your system as is knowing your stock performance is right in line with no throttling. I'm sure the fans when gaming are much less too which is always a plus.

 

Cores sound like a C state issue as they are not in use and just go into lower powered mode. As long as they don't clock down while running CB23 you're good to go. You can always lock the cores but I've never been a fan of that on laptops. Let it run cooler when it can.

 

 

[tennic]

After months of good operation, sudden shutdowns are happening these days while I play with full screen games.

 

The strange thing is that it's impossible for the temperatures to be high, I'm playing with the "quiet" energy profile (the game, Fallout 76, doesn't respond well to commands if the FPS is very high, so if the computer runs at full speed), and fans on personalized, but following the predefined profile, therefore already with a temperature of 50°C they turn at 50% of the speed.
While gaming, I don't hear the fans spinning fast, so temperatures should be cool.

 

Well, every now and then, a sudden shutdown occurs, and the computer doesn't turn back on again, if I try to turn it on again, the power LED turns green for a few moments, and then turns orange again.

it is necessary to switch off the computer by disconnecting the electric cable, switch it on again, and only at this point can it be switched on.

 

Is there any way to try to avoid these sudden shutdowns?

[zex4]

Just because of this shutdowns a friend lost his 4tb 2.5 hdd with data that was connected while the power goed off...

He payed more than 1500+€ whit mechanical damage...😥

 

[crossshot]

3 hours ago, tennic said:

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Is there any way to try to avoid these sudden shutdowns?

I struggled around 2 years with these shutdowns. Now i've disabled enhanced C-State in unlocked Bios and since, no uncontrolled shutdown.

[crossshot]

1 hour ago, zex4 said:

Just because of this shutdowns a friend lost his 4tb 2.5 hdd with data that was connected while the power goed off...

He payed more than 1500+€ whit mechanical damage...😥

 

Don't blame the notebook for not having a backup 😉

[zex4]

First i dont blame the beauty x170 as a p775 user...just wanted to mention it 😉..sec..it was already his backup drive connected as external hard drive..just unlucky guy...not everyone has unlocked bios or knows something about c states....

[tennic]

10 hours ago, crossshot said:

I struggled around 2 years with these shutdowns. Now i've disabled enhanced C-State in unlocked Bios and since, no uncontrolled shutdown.

 

There are actually two types of problems:

 

- BSOD when overclocking mode is activated in the BIOS, and then the relative tile appears in the Control Center, but no "hardware problem", the computer restarts perfectly (I solved it by not enabling overlocking from the BIOS 😒)

 

- Abrupt physical shutdown, with no errors in the OS (which is what has been happening to me lately), and then the computer doesn't turn back on, until after unplugging and plugging the power again

 

If I remember correctly, did you have the first type of problem? Or am I wrong?😐

[Dezmoond0]

10 hours ago, tennic said:

 

There are actually two types of problems:

 

- BSOD when overclocking mode is activated in the BIOS, and then the relative tile appears in the Control Center, but no "hardware problem", the computer restarts perfectly (I solved it by not enabling overlocking from the BIOS 😒)

 

- Abrupt physical shutdown, with no errors in the OS (which is what has been happening to me lately), and then the computer doesn't turn back on, until after unplugging and plugging the power again

 

If I remember correctly, did you have the first type of problem? Or am I wrong?😐

to solve the first problem, try to rearrange the RAM in the slots under the keyboard, for the second problem, update the bios ec and control center

[tennic]

1 hour ago, Dezmoond0 said:

to solve the first problem, try to rearrange the RAM in the slots under the keyboard, for the second problem, update the bios ec and control center

 

Currently the Ram (2x32 GB) are installed in the bottom of the computer, installing them under the headboard solves the Windows BSOD problem when overclocking is activated in the bios?

 

Instead, as regards BIOS and EC, they are both updated to the latest official version😐

[Dezmoond0]

12 minutes ago, tennic said:

 

Currently the Ram (2x32 GB) are installed in the bottom of the computer, installing them under the headboard solves the Windows BSOD problem when overclocking is activated in the bios?

 

Instead, as regards BIOS and EC, they are both updated to the latest official version😐

I had a similar problem with the RAM impact 32x2 3200, after installing it in the higher slots, the problem disappeared, but the frequency also dropped to 2996

[crossshot]

20 hours ago, tennic said:

 

There are actually two types of problems:

 

- BSOD when overclocking mode is activated in the BIOS, and then the relative tile appears in the Control Center, but no "hardware problem", the computer restarts perfectly (I solved it by not enabling overlocking from the BIOS 😒)

 

- Abrupt physical shutdown, with no errors in the OS (which is what has been happening to me lately), and then the computer doesn't turn back on, until after unplugging and plugging the power again

 

If I remember correctly, did you have the first type of problem? Or am I wrong?😐

I had physical shutdowns without errors. But in my case, i cant start it directly without unplugging and plugging the power supply again.

With disabled enhanced C-State i never had such a shutdown. 

[Sergey Muratov]

Guys, I'm tired of repeating. If you have a laptop that doesn't turn on after a sharp shutdown and you need to pull out and insert the battery to turn it on, this is a problem with EC! It was fixed by xmg in the EC TR1 version

[tennic]

6 hours ago, Sergey Muratov said:

Guys, I'm tired of repeating. If you have a laptop that doesn't turn on after a sharp shutdown and you need to pull out and insert the battery to turn it on, this is a problem with EC! It was fixed by xmg in the EC TR1 version

 

Excuse me, I hadn't read your post.

 

I don't use the battery, but I think the problem is the same, since I have to electrically disconnect the computer, to be able to rekindle it.

 

I will try to install the EC version indicated (now I am using the official 1.07.04), but this is a secondary problem, the primary problem is that it suddenly turns off.

 

However, I disabled C-State, and for a few days no sudden shutdown has been verified, and not even BSOD despite having tried to enable the overlclocking mode in the BIOS, in order to use the XMP profile of the RAM (3200 MHz CL16)

[Sergey Muratov]

Here is this corrected EC from the XMG website. After the firmware, do not forget to reset the BIOS to default settings

Firmware_SCHENKER_DTR17E21_STD17E21_XMG_ULTRA17E21_XUL17E21_EC_1.07.04TR1.zip

[Sneekichu]

So just out of curiosity, I ran a Timespy Extreme benchmark since my laptop has a 4k 120Hz display that I installed into it. Is there a way to edit the whitelist in bios for the screen I installed so I can get Gsync back? Display B173ZAN03.3

 

Score was a 6512 which says Excellent. Is this a decent score for a RTX3080 and 11900k?

 

 

[MiRaGe]

As far as I know there is no way to get G-Sync back. It was one of the reasons I didn‘t pulled the trigger upgrading my RTX 2080 to 3080.

[crossshot]

On 4/30/2023 at 10:12 AM, tennic said:

 

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However, I disabled C-State, and for a few days no sudden shutdown has been verified, and not even BSOD despite having tried to enable the overlclocking mode in the BIOS, in order to use the XMP profile of the RAM (3200 MHz CL16)

Great to hear, disabled c-state stop the shutdowns. But too bad, we need to help us without the support from the manufacturer...