Reciever Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Good Evening everyone! So to give some context in this upgrade going to have to rewind a bit. I had just finished doing another modification to the Alienware 17 R1, already had lost my sound due to BCLK tampering and now the screen started flickering when the GPU was screwed ever so slightly too tight. Frustrated and tired of tearing down the system I decided to make my way to MicroCenter. It appears this was the perfect time to buy a new system as AMD 3xxx had dropped so pricing on the 2700x was dirt cheap, and in the deals they have for buying a motherboard together with the CPU and it worked out to about 160 USD for the 2700x. I did splurge a bit with the X570 ITX board with the idea of, I would eventually buy what ever the top of the line chip was at the end of the line for AM4. Waited a bit as the pricing really sucked in comparison to when I purchased the 2700x, recently the price dropped to 270. Hence, here we are. Oh and 10850K makes a cameo appearance as well! Here are the specs for all systems involved. 2700X @ 4.0Ghz w/ PA 120 SE w/3x Nidec Servo 2150RPM 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz (XMP) RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF 5800X3D @ 4.450Ghz w/ PA 120 SE w/3x Nidec Servo 2150RPM 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz (XMP) RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF 10850K @ 5.0Ghz w/ NH-D15 w/Arctic 140mm P14 16GB DDR4 4400Mhz RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF Now on to some benchmarks! Horizon: Zero Dawn had a rough launch, but I enjoyed playing it regardless as I resisted the temptation to buy a PS4 and was "rewarded" with a PC release. I think its in better shape now, might replay again soon. From the above data, the 2700X does "just fine" for Horizon: Zero Dawn. However, benchmark does point out that it does drop to 38 FPS which is pretty noticeable on a 144hz panel. It doesnt happen often, but once a pattern is noted, its hard to not notice it. The 5800X3D does have a healthy bump across min/avg/max readings as well as surpass the tuned 10850K as well. Its not enough to justify switching platforms but it is note worthy. Returnal - This was a new title in my rotation, ended up enjoying it more than I suspected I would. A challenging game that punishes you failing and rewards you for not failing. There is no succeeding in this game. This title doesnt seem to benefit much from either the 5800X3D or the 10850K. There are definitive gains, but not enough to jump to either platform. Appears to be mostly GPU bound title. Rise of the Tomb Raider - I've enjoyed the reboot TR games, for some reason I stopped playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider but I might pick it up again. didnt know before hand but it appears that Tomb Raider is one of the titles that L3 cache appears to play a larger role in. As a result I took more time with this title. The next 4 graphs will be ROTTR at various settings noted in each graph. ROTTR goes through 3 areas to capture FPS data. I abbreviated each run on the charts to simplify how its presented. STD shorthand for Standard, and AA shorthand for Anti-Aliasing. -MP = Mountain Peak -S = Syria -GV = Geothermal Valley and continuing... Not sure why the 2700x seemed to be just taking a dirt nap under DX12 with lighter settings. The lows were abysmal, perhaps it has to do with still loading the run. That being said when you crank up the settings across the board a pattern more or less emerges. The demands on the hardware increase with each run save for the last graph. Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Average FPS Im not quite sure how to extrapolate all the data from SOTTR benchmarks so I just went with the averages. I still have the screenshots so if people let me know I can edit them re-submit. Also I followed the same presets as before, in this order. PS1 - DX11 | Max Settings | No AA | Low hair PS2 - DX11 | Max Settings | Max AA | Max hair PS3 - DX12 | Max Settings | No AA | Low hair PS4 - DX12 | Max Settings | Max AA | Max hair Also I didnt grab the full sweep of data for the 10850K. I'll add that in later if people want. EDIT: Went back and re-ran the benchmarks to finish this chart. Citations will be provided shortly. Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Ray Tracing Enabled Dont let this bar chart paint an incorrect impression of RT performance, the FPS range between all systems is 5 FPS. Wanted to see if there would be much impact on performance between the CPU's with RT On. There is a difference, but within this range it would be hard to make an argument for any of the processors. Tomb Raider Tomb Raider (2013) by today's standards is quite dated. That being said I like to play it from time to time. One thing I usually derive from this game is why I dont care for new graphics features that often, above you can see the performance penalty of adding TressFX and AA. No setting should cost you 200 FPS. Performance is in-line from what you would expect however this title seems to favor the brute force method of the 10850K over the 5800X3D, albeit, not by much. Shadow of War is one of those titles that somehow punched above its weight class. While some elements of the story were just ridiculous, the gameplay was quite enjoyable. This title does seem to favor the 5800X3D, particularly the minimum FPS. Perhaps the bad minimums for the 2700x and 10850K are a result of the start of the benchmark as for the short while that I did play I didnt see choppy FPS. It is what it is though. The 5800X3D is an overall improvement over the 2700x, but if you are using the 10850K with some decent ram, there really isnt any justifiable reason to switch platforms. If you are sitting on an older AM4 motherboard with standard RAM the 5800X3D is very tempting in comparison to the 2700x. Im getting tired, ill add more as I gather it together. 1 4 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 Citations Horizon: Zero Dawn Spoiler Returnal Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Rise of the Tomb Raider Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Shadow of the Tomb Raider Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Shadow of the Tomb Raider - RT Enabled @ Ultra Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Tomb Raider Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Shadow of War Spoiler 2700X 5800X3D 10850K Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Fox Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Excellent work here, brother. 1 1 1 Banshee // Z690 Dark K|NGP|N | 13900K | 6900 XT OC Formula+Byski Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Dark Base Pro 901 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 13900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | HC-500A Chiller | MO-RA3 360 || Praxis Wetbench Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 Citations post added in the second post so that if people wanted they can view the screen shots. If anything is amiss I can easily rerun benchmarks for the 5800x3D and 10850k. If 2700x benches are needed that will probably wait until I have a bundle of tasks I can do as I will have ti swap the cpu 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Very impressive. Clean and professional. I'm looking for a desktop and this helps alot in deciding which cpu would be best paired with a given gpu. Excellent read Neo : Omen 16 2021 | i7-11800h | 64Gb ram | RTX 3060 (140w) modded | 2tb Evo plus/1tb | 1080p 100srgb 144hz | Windows 10 | Sony 55X85J | ROG Flare | Razer basilisk X Morpheus : HP 15-dy2018ca - 11th gen I5 | 16gb DDR 4 | 1tb SSD | intel Xe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 Removed and updated STTOR benchmarks as the 10850K submissions had incorrect Graphical settings. Benches re-ran and integrated Tomb Raider and Middle Earth: Shadow of War have been added to the review. Going to try and get a RT benchmark comparison next, for some reason the game kept crashing on the 5800X3D with RT enabled. 1 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I know it's not right to make a request. But you wouldn't happen to have age of empires in your arsenal would you. It's a fairly popular game that is well optimized and usually cpu bottlenecks even at 1440p/4k Neo : Omen 16 2021 | i7-11800h | 64Gb ram | RTX 3060 (140w) modded | 2tb Evo plus/1tb | 1080p 100srgb 144hz | Windows 10 | Sony 55X85J | ROG Flare | Razer basilisk X Morpheus : HP 15-dy2018ca - 11th gen I5 | 16gb DDR 4 | 1tb SSD | intel Xe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 49 minutes ago, Reciever said: Removed and updated STTOR benchmarks as the 10850K submissions had incorrect Graphical settings. Benches re-ran and integrated Tomb Raider and Middle Earth: Shadow of War have been added to the review. Going to try and get a RT benchmark comparison next, for some reason the game kept crashing on the 5800X3D with RT enabled. "In today's episode on Gamer's Nexus, we look indepthly into the shady tactics and benchmark inaccuracies of @Reciever along with his attempt to correct said 'errors' " 🤣 1 Electrosoft Prime: 7800X3D | MSI x670e Carbon | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | EVGA CLC 360mm AIO | G.Skill 6000 A-Die 2x32GB | Samsung 980 1TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Samsung G7 43" 4k mLED Eurocom Raptor X15 | 12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | 15.6" 1080p 240hz | Kingston 3200 32GB (2x16GB) | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB Heatsink Edition Heath: i9-12900k | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB Klex 3600mhz | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" MelMel: i5-12500 | Asus Prime B660 | Asus KO RTX 3070 | 32GB G.Skill 3333 | 512GB M.2 | Gamdias | Dell 25" 240hz 1080p Kekere Aderubaniyan: SP115 13900KS | MSI Z690i Edge | PowerColor 6700XT | IDC 280mm AIO | Samsung 980 Pro | RipJaws DDR5 32GB | No case atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 18 minutes ago, electrosoft said: "In today's episode on Gamer's Nexus, we look indepthly into the shady tactics and benchmark inaccuracies of @Reciever along with his attempt to correct said 'errors' " 🤣 Doesnt count if there no ads! Right? Right? Right? 59 minutes ago, ryan said: I know it's not right to make a request. But you wouldn't happen to have age of empires in your arsenal would you. It's a fairly popular game that is well optimized and usually cpu bottlenecks even at 1440p/4k I think a friend of mine might have that game, i'll see if I can borrow it. 1 2 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojack Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 10850k? Thought this was the desktop benchmarking area? Workstation - Dell XPS 8940 - desktop creative powerhouse Mobile Workstation - Dell inspiron 5406 2 in 1 - mobile creative beast Wifey's Notebook - Dell inspiron 3169 - Little gem for our businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 5 hours ago, kojack said: 10850k? Thought this was the desktop benchmarking area? This is the desktop sub-forum, with a topic involving desktop processors Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojack Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Is the 10850k a desktop processor? Workstation - Dell XPS 8940 - desktop creative powerhouse Mobile Workstation - Dell inspiron 5406 2 in 1 - mobile creative beast Wifey's Notebook - Dell inspiron 3169 - Little gem for our businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 6 hours ago, kojack said: Is the 10850k a desktop processor? https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205904/intel-core-i910850k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html Yep! @ryan I ran the benchmark for Age of Empires II and when I look to the other benchmark results it appears to be more focused on whether or not the system would bode well enough for multiplayer, not something to push the individual machine. The result on the 5800X3D/RTX3090 was 1286 Which only means its good enough for MP lol 2 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 hours ago, kojack said: Is the 10850k a desktop processor? yeps, basically a tad downclocked 10900K cuz Intel wasnt able to supply those in big enough numbers haha. 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-23) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" UHD 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-23) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojack Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 The more you know....ha ha. I always thought it was just the 10700 and 10900 in various forms. hmmmm. 1 Workstation - Dell XPS 8940 - desktop creative powerhouse Mobile Workstation - Dell inspiron 5406 2 in 1 - mobile creative beast Wifey's Notebook - Dell inspiron 3169 - Little gem for our businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 2 hours ago, kojack said: The more you know....ha ha. I always thought it was just the 10700 and 10900 in various forms. hmmmm. It doesnt help that the main designation for the mobile variants are just H/HX/X of mostly the same thing. The nomenclature of both vendors has been a bit of a wash lately. 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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