About Windows LTSC (Windows 10/11 Enterprise LTSC)

[6730b]

w10 ltsc, 01\2025 update done. As always, all well.

[6730b]

Feb. update 10 ltsc done, and (have I mentionned this before?) zero problems, zero changes, zero plagues. Great OS.

[Papusan]

 

Windows 10 is once again the most popular OS on Steam

 

And the latest and greatest is still riddled with weird bugs @Mr. Fox

Windows 11 24H2 might quietly throttle and slow your system when you aren't paying attention

[kojack]

On 3/2/2025 at 9:55 PM, Papusan said:

 

Windows 10 is once again the most popular OS on Steam

 

And the latest and greatest is still riddled with weird bugs @Mr. Fox

Windows 11 24H2 might quietly throttle and slow your system when you aren't paying attention

Again, the clickbait article you quote is wrong. Windows "throttles" apps minimized and that are not being currently used.  not active apps.  I have no such "bugs" you complain constantly about. 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, kojack said:

Again, the clickbait article you quote is wrong. Windows "throttles" apps minimized and that are not being currently used.  not active apps.  I have no such "bugs" you complain constantly about. 

 

Do you even have 285K ? And are you following oc'ing forums? I'm sure @Mr. Fox know what I talk about. 

 

This is Win10

 

This is with Windows 11 or better say latest and greatest from Redmond retards.

[Mr. Fox]

No support. No problem. If you actually care about that, just run a script to flip it to LTSC/IoT Enterprise permanently HWID activated in an instant. No reinstall necessary... easy 30 second fix. And, not getting the newer Winduhz sucky crap "features" that you don't want rammed up your tailpipe is also a win.

 

 

[Reciever]

Sorry fellas some content was removed as its explicitly advertised as piracy.

[kojack]

On 3/19/2025 at 7:28 PM, Mr. Fox said:

No support. No problem. If you actually care about that, just run a script to flip it to LTSC/IoT Enterprise permanently HWID activated in an instant. No reinstall necessary... easy 30 second fix. And, not getting the newer Winduhz sucky crap "features" that you don't want rammed up your tailpipe is also a win.

 

 

For someone who hates windows you seem to be completely consumed with it.  try something else.  you might be a happier person. 

[Reciever]

4 hours ago, kojack said:

For someone who hates windows you seem to be completely consumed with it.  try something else.  you might be a happier person. 

There is nothing wrong with criticism, also, they have experience with using Linux as well.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, Reciever said:

There is nothing wrong with criticism, also, they have experience with using Linux as well.

We've already had that conversation multiple times before. Sometimes you have to use Winduhz even when you would prefer not to. My employment revolves around the use of Micro$lop applications that do not function on anything but Windoze. If everything made to run on Winduhz ran on Linux some of us would use only Linux and wouldn't waste drive space or burn any calories forcing Windoze into conforming to our will.

 

Winners take control of matters to the greatest degree possible to make the best of a bad situation and force things to go their own way rather than falling in line with Kool-Aid stained lips. Assisting others in following the same path of resistance and validating their mutual discontent with the OOBE is also a good thing.

 

Winduhz and crApple: "Here's how things are going to work. We don't care if you like it. Our decision, not yours. We know what is best for you."

 

Linux: "Choose whatever distro you want and do whatever you feel like doing. We don't care. You do you. You know what is best."

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

We've already had that conversation multiple times before. Sometimes you have to use Winduhz even when you would prefer not to. My employment revolves around the use of Micro$lop applications that do not function on anything but Windoze. If everything made to run on Winduhz ran on Linux some of us would use only Linux and wouldn't waste drive space or burn any calories forcing Windoze into conforming to our will.

 

Winners take control of matters to the greatest degree possible to make the best of a bad situation and force things to go their own way rather than falling in line with Kool-Aid stained lips. Assisting others in following the same path of resistance and validating their mutual discontent with the OOBE is also a good thing.

 

Winduhz and crApple: "Here's how things are going to work. We don't care if you like it. Our decision, not yours. We know what is best for you."

 

Linux: "Choose whatever distro you want and do whatever you feel like doing. We don't care. You do you. You know what is best."

There are merits and demerits to both. Sadly the demerits are more notable when the merit is a smooth running operation. 

 

I dont use Apple personally as their ecosystem doesnt suit my needs, if my interests were different then of course that wouldnt be the case.

 

As much as I do enjoy the ease of access (and more importantly, familiarity) of Windows, I cant trust it to do what it is expected unattended, which is why I use Unraid for things that need to "just run" without persistent user intervention. Its just an unfortunate circumstance that benchmarking was made in large part to be relative to what you can expect in gaming. Gaming being largely on Windows, despite being a highly individual "sport" on an OS that doesnt really care to suit the needs of the individual. As such we get to spend a lot of time resisting broad stroke solutions.

 

Pick your poison, as it were lol

[6730b]

10 ltsc 1809 march update, all well as always.

[6730b]

April 10 ltsc update done, all perfect as always.

[ssj92]

Just wanted to let y'all know, I am using Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC IoT (2021) on a few systems now since Win 10 Pro loses support in October. 

 

Aside from being an older build (21H2 I think) it works fairly well. Performance has been good for me. 

 

I may try 2024 version which is basically Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC IoT (2024) but I'm liking the performance of 2021 so far. 

 

Supported until 2032 as well. 

[Papusan]

 

Windows Recall is too risky for your Copilot+ PC. Turn it off, now

Windows Recall offers an easy way to search your history on your PC. It's simple and convenient — both for you as well as bad actors. Remove it.

[Aaron44126]

Windows 11 LTSC does not include Windows Recall.

[kojack]

Recall is completely disable'able as well. 

[Aaron44126]

In-place upgrade to Windows 11 LTSC 2024 (from Windows 10 LTSC 2021) on my work PC, the Precision 7560.

 

It's mostly fine to use. Windows 11 LTSC doesn't have any major cruft that I have observed. It does of course share some design issues with "regular" Windows 11 that I do not like, but, meh, for my regular workflow it doesn't make that much of a difference.

 

I did have some issues immediately following the upgrade.

 

First, trying to patch from the September 2024 patch level (which I was originally dropped on) to the April 2025 patch level didn't work. It kept getting "almost to the end" (literally right before dropping me back on the login screen) and then it would show a message that "something went wrong" and it was rolling back. A couple of reboots later, I was back at my desktop, unpatched.

 

I tried other patches. December 2024 worked fine but anything newer did not, so something "broke" in the January patch. When I tried the February patch, it was even worse. It did an update to the USB 3.0 root hub driver which didn't get rolled back properly when the patch back-out process happened, leaving me with no USB support. (They must have "fixed" that in later patches because I didn't have the same problem when trying to install the March or April patches.)

 

I ended up just making new install media with the April 2025 patch integrated and then did another in-place upgrade to that. That went fine. We'll see what happens when May patches drop next week.

 

Second, it trashed one of my secondary data partitions which was using the ReFS file system. I have no idea why, but after the upgrade it just would not mount that drive, claiming in Event Viewer that there was "corruption". I was able to use the "refsutil salvage" command line tool to get the files off... and now I'm not using ReFS to hold those files anymore.

 

Overall, the most shaky Windows upgrade I would say that I've been through on one of my own systems, but I think that I have things settled, as long as there isn't any ongoing trouble with the monthly patches going forward.

 

...Not that it matters for that much longer. I'm working to get my daily drivers off of Windows and this is the last system left. It should be replaced with a Mac later this year, but I'm waiting for the IT dept to finish some prep work before I can make that switch. (I won't be able to completely ditch Windows, it will just be relegated to being used remotely or in a VM.) I was sort of hoping to avoid using Windows 11 on a daily driver altogether, but with the company trying to get everyone moved up to Windows 11 during the next several months, I figured that I should take the plunge so that I can understand what issues might need to be addressed as the rest of my team moves over.

[kojack]

On 5/9/2025 at 5:07 PM, Aaron44126 said:

In-place upgrade to Windows 11 LTSC 2024 (from Windows 10 LTSC 2021) on my work PC, the Precision 7560.

 

It's mostly fine to use. Windows 11 LTSC doesn't have any major cruft that I have observed. It does of course share some design issues with "regular" Windows 11 that I do not like, but, meh, for my regular workflow it doesn't make that much of a difference.

 

I did have some issues immediately following the upgrade.

 

First, trying to patch from the September 2024 patch level (which I was originally dropped on) to the April 2025 patch level didn't work. It kept getting "almost to the end" (literally right before dropping me back on the login screen) and then it would show a message that "something went wrong" and it was rolling back. A couple of reboots later, I was back at my desktop, unpatched.

 

I tried other patches. December 2024 worked fine but anything newer did not, so something "broke" in the January patch. When I tried the February patch, it was even worse. It did an update to the USB 3.0 root hub driver which didn't get rolled back properly when the patch back-out process happened, leaving me with no USB support. (They must have "fixed" that in later patches because I didn't have the same problem when trying to install the March or April patches.)

 

I ended up just making new install media with the April 2025 patch integrated and then did another in-place upgrade to that. That went fine. We'll see what happens when May patches drop next week.

 

Second, it trashed one of my secondary data partitions which was using the ReFS file system. I have no idea why, but after the upgrade it just would not mount that drive, claiming in Event Viewer that there was "corruption". I was able to use the "refsutil salvage" command line tool to get the files off... and now I'm not using ReFS to hold those files anymore.

 

Overall, the most shaky Windows upgrade I would say that I've been through on one of my own systems, but I think that I have things settled, as long as there isn't any ongoing trouble with the monthly patches going forward.

 

...Not that it matters for that much longer. I'm working to get my daily drivers off of Windows and this is the last system left. It should be replaced with a Mac later this year, but I'm waiting for the IT dept to finish some prep work before I can make that switch. (I won't be able to completely ditch Windows, it will just be relegated to being used remotely or in a VM.) I was sort of hoping to avoid using Windows 11 on a daily driver altogether, but with the company trying to get everyone moved up to Windows 11 during the next several months, I figured that I should take the plunge so that I can understand what issues might need to be addressed as the rest of my team moves over.

At this point in time, moving to MacOS is no better. Both are basically spyware now.  Apple claims security and privacy are number one in their OS but it's quite the opposite.  I would push towards a good linux distro. 

[Aaron44126]

4 hours ago, kojack said:

At this point in time, moving to MacOS is no better. Both are basically spyware now.  Apple claims security and privacy are number one in their OS but it's quite the opposite.

 

A claim like this could be more persuasive with some specific examples.

 

That said, I'm fully aware that Apple has "issues" with how they handle certain things, but they are in my mind a step above the rest of big tech (Microsoft, Google, Meta, etc.) when it comes to prioritizing end user privacy. I can point to examples like Advanced Data Protection for iCloud which puts the end user in charge of the decryption keys for anything stored in their "cloud", offering the only smart TV platform that isn't trying to make money off of the user with data tracking and/or ads right in the UI, having AI functions running models on-device as much as possible, or them leading the charge on app tracking transparency (iOS 14.5)... which ended up costing Facebook a lot of money in lost ad revenue.

 

I'm also no stranger to Linux. I have a thread over in the Linux subforum detailing my attempt to switch to using it as a daily driver, and my reasons for eventually giving up. The long and the short of it is:

• I acknowledge that Linux has made great strides in recent years, and is now completely usable for basic desktop use and also for gaming in most circumstances, but there is still a gulf when it comes to "productivity applications" that I can't personally get past at this time. When I was using Linux, over half of my time spent doing "productivity tasks" was in a Windows VM. For specific simple examples, there are no good alternatives on Linux for OneNote or Quicken.
• Switching from a MacBook Pro back to an x86 laptop to run Linux would be an absolute hardware downgrade. I need a high-performance system, with an adequate GPU for gaming. The stock of x86 laptops that fit the bill are all comparably big bulky noisy heatboxes, with low battery life and performance compromises when running on battery power on top of that. MBP gives me the flexibility to have a system that runs cool and quiet all day long if I need it to, but also that can run performance-intensive tasks or games to the degree that I want if I need it to. (I'm hoping that the ARM-Windows laptop awakening will help to "solve" this eventually, but there are currently no Qualcomm chips out that can hold up to Apple's "Max" line.)
  • I could use Asahi Linux on a MBP, something that I'm keeping an eye on, but it doesn't have the level of polish I'd expect yet, and it also doesn't yet support systems later than M2.
• KDE is the only Linux desktop environment that I can really tolerate, but it has too many rough edges / long-standing well-documented bugs, I think because the project just doesn't have the manpower to apply the level of polish that I would like to see in a desktop environment. (GNOME on the other hand is very-well polished, but it is not a power-user's desktop environment. I gave up on it after a week. Everything else that I tried is somewhere in the middle of those two endpoints.)
• Losing the macOS/iOS integration would also be a strong negative. When I was on Linux, I used Beeper for iMessage support, but Beeper pushed the envelope too hard and isn't an option anymore. (Switching to an Android phone or using Google services is a non-starter for me.)
• In any case, I would never be able to get approval to use Linux as a daily driver on my work PC.

I did switch my "home server" from Windows to Linux a few months ago. That has been working great.