Official Clevo NH55JNNQ / NH5xJNxx 12th gen Socket 1700 LGA laptop thread

[electrosoft]

Clevo has announced a full fledged 12th gen 15.6" Desktop class CPU Socket 1700 laptop. This is the last of "Desktop class" laptops in that it can replace and upgrade every component except for the GPU.

 

If you're interested in buying one new, Eurocom is the last vendor to offer it at this time as of January 2024

 

There is a potential bulk seller of the chassis from China directly here

 

 

Clevo model #:

 

3060:   NH55JNPY / NH57JNPS
3070:   NH55JNRQ / NH57JNR
3070ti: NH55JNNQ / NH57JNN

 

Clevo NH5xJNxx Specs:

 

• Platform:Intel H670 Chipset; Intel LGA1700 desktop processor up to i9 12900KS  (16cores/24threads)
• GPU Technology:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 (6GB GDDR6) / 3070 Ti (8GB GDDR6)
• Display Technology:
• 165Hz; QHD; 2560×1440; Matte; 100% sRGB; BOE NE156QHM-NY1
• 240Hz; FHD; 1920×1080; Matte; 100% sRGB; SHARP IGZO LQ156M1JW03
• Robust Design:Back cover made from Aluminum Alloy; front /top case/bottom case made of resins
• Cooling:High performance, high quality copper GPU and CPU heatsinks to keep your system running cool.
• Memory:Two 260-pin SODIMM sockets; DDR4-3200; up to 64GB
• Storage:up to 24 TB of storage with 3 physical drives: 2x M.2 NVMe SSDs and 1x 2.5in HDD/SSD SATA3
• Communications:1GbE LAN and M.2 WLAN + Bluetooth
• Sound System:SoundBlaster Cinema 6; Stereo Speakers; High Definition Audio
• Keyboard and Touchpad:Backlit keyboard with 15 colour options; Microsoft Precision Touchpad 2 buttons
• Loaded with Ports:1x USB-A 2.0; 3x USB 3.2 gen2; 1x USB-C 3.2 Gen2; 1x mini DP 1.4; HDMI 2.0 output; 1x Headphone-out; 1x Mic-in; 1x RJ45 / LAN; 1x microSD card reader; DC-in
• Operating Systems:Windows 10, Windows 11, Linux
• Security:Kensington Lock and Embedded TPM 2.0 Encryption
• Battery:6cells Smart Lithium-Ion; 62WH
• Weight:2.6kg / 5.7lbs
• Dimensions:WxDxH: 361x258x32.5mm / 14.44×10.32×1.3in

 

Is there an unlocked BIOS? Can I adjust memory timings in BIOS? Does 13th gen work? Will 14th gen work?:

 

Unfortunately there is no 13th gen or 14th gen support. There is also no BIOS level UV controls or memory tuning.Only chance of getting any of this is some Prema or Dsanke level BIOS adaptations and any and all work is kept private unlike the old days so don't hold your breath as the days of free and unfettered BIOS love for the sake of sharing and freeing systems out of passion has come to an end.

 

Hopefully someone will come along and at least add 13th/14th gen and UV BIOS controls at a minimum. Bonus points would be BIOS memory gear adjustments and tuning.

 

Is there a better aftermarket CPU/GPU heatsink?

 

It looks like Aliexpress might finally have one that can upgrade the NH55

 

 

Official Clevo and Eurocom Drivers link (Select specific model from drop down menu):

 

https://www.clevo.com.tw/load_page/service_download

 

https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,486,0)RaptorX15

 

Unlocking CPU for undervolting via TS ( Version 9.4.6 or later) and XTU:

 

 

Specific quirks about getting UV to stick here

 

Thermal pads and specs for pad replacement:

 

 

Replacement/Upgrade 230w / 280w / 330w PSU: (5.5 / 2.5 mm barrel type plug only)

 

230w comes standard. Under full load >=260w loads have been observed depending on config.

 

280w (A18-280P1A):  https://www.laptop-ac-adapter.de/chicony-a18-280p1a-netzteil-78662.html#2567

 

330w (ADP-330ABD):  https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804210824372.html?spm=a2g0o.order_detail.0.0.4af2f19cR2efu5&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa&_randl_shipto=US

 

12900KS confirmed to work:

 

 

Reviews around the Internetz....

 

Review on Notebookcheck: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Raptor-X15-review-LGA1700-Core-i7-12700K-in-a-laptop.620093.0.html

 

 

[DreDre2022]

Looks promising. Happy DTR aint quite dead yet as you can get a 12900K installed in the notebook. Have to wait and see how they cool it and if you can undervolt it. Display options are ok but only a 3070TI is a bummer. I know Eurocom is going to charge a mighty dollar for this notebook.

[DreDre2022]

Eurocom is selling these at a decent price. You can only put a 12900 in it and not the K version so you wont be able to overclock the chip. it looks like it is the successor to the Eurocom High Performance System NH581 line of notebooks. A 12900 and a 3070TI is a good combo in this chassis though.

[Clamibot]

Like I said in the Official Desktop Benchmark Thread, this seems promising for future DTRs. Unfortunately it's a 15 inch laptop, the chipset is not Z690, so no overclocking, and the GPU is BGA, but at least the effort in this class of laptops is continuing.

 

This means we should probably see a successor to the X170SM-G and X170KM-G, hopefully in the same chassis.

 

I am hoping one of these days we'll get a 17 inch laptop with just a desktop CPU and no discrete graphics, but with a Zxxx chipset for overclocking and an oculink port or something similar for eGPUs. When gaming, you're already plugged in anyway, and the laptop could get extremely good battery life when unplugged.

[GT3000]

1 minute ago, Clamibot said:

Like I said in the Official Desktop Benchmark Thread, this seems promising for future DTRs. Unfortunately it's a 15 inch laptop, the chipset is not Z690, so no overclocking, and the GPU is BGA, but at least the effort in this class of laptops is continuing.

 

This means we should probably see a successor to the X170SM-G and X170KM-G, hopefully in the same chassis.

 

I am hoping one of these days we'll get a 17 inch laptop with just a desktop CPU and no discrete graphics, but with a Zxxx chipset for overclocking and an oculink port or something similar for eGPUs. When gaming, you're already plugged in anyway, and the laptop could get extremely good battery life when unplugged.

I think no discrete GPUs at that price bracket are a nonstarter. eGPUs just aren't there and for the majority these are good enough.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, DreDre2022 said:

Eurocom is selling these at a decent price. You can only put a 12900 in it and not the K version so you wont be able to overclock the chip. it looks like it is the successor to the Eurocom High Performance System NH581 line of notebooks. A 12900 and a 3070TI is a good combo in this chassis though.

 

The official statement from Eurocom President says up to the 12900k but if you can't overclock it......

 

4 pipes and lots of copper is nice but enough with the tri-mount BS.

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

39 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

Like I said in the Official Desktop Benchmark Thread, this seems promising for future DTRs. Unfortunately it's a 15 inch laptop, the chipset is not Z690, so no overclocking, and the GPU is BGA, but at least the effort in this class of laptops is continuing.

 

This means we should probably see a successor to the X170SM-G and X170KM-G, hopefully in the same chassis.

 

I am hoping one of these days we'll get a 17 inch laptop with just a desktop CPU and no discrete graphics, but with a Zxxx chipset for overclocking and an oculink port or something similar for eGPUs. When gaming, you're already plugged in anyway, and the laptop could get extremely good battery life when unplugged.

 

15" is a bummer.

H690 is a let down

 

As for the GPU, I don't know if we'll see any MXM cards again only fusion builds of socket-able CPUs and BGA GPUs.

 

The upside is you can bin your CPU and if/when the 3070ti isn't enough go eGPU.

 

Even with H690, once a system is in the wild great things do tend to happen. 🙂

 

And I agree; I would hope this is a portend of things to come and we get a proper 17" DTR.

 

 

[Clamibot]

Another thing for future DTRs, I really hope we can disable the efficiency cores on the new Intel CPUs in the BIOS. I only care about the performance cores, and disabling the E-Cores gives you additional overclocking headroom on the P-Cores.

[DreDre2022]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Like I said in the Official Desktop Benchmark Thread, this seems promising for future DTRs. Unfortunately it's a 15 inch laptop, the chipset is not Z690, so no overclocking, and the GPU is BGA, but at least the effort in this class of laptops is continuing.

 

This means we should probably see a successor to the X170SM-G and X170KM-G, hopefully in the same chassis.

 

I am hoping one of these days we'll get a 17 inch laptop with just a desktop CPU and no discrete graphics, but with a Zxxx chipset for overclocking and an oculink port or something similar for eGPUs. When gaming, you're already plugged in anyway, and the laptop could get extremely good battery life when unplugged.

Yeah I don't know about them continuing the X170 line. From the many posts I saw that notebook has had various issues since it came out. With no proper Prema BIOS to tame it it can be nonstarter for some. ESPECIALLY if I can't install a 12900k in it. Lol.

[electrosoft]

27 minutes ago, DreDre2022 said:

Yeah I don't know about them continuing the X170 line. From the many posts I saw that notebook has had various issues since it came out. With no proper Prema BIOS to tame it it can be nonstarter for some. ESPECIALLY if I can't install a 12900k in it. Lol.

 

A re-design could be in the works since Socket 1700 is Intel's future for the next 3-4 iterations at least for a 17" model. (fingers crossed).

 

I'm pretty sure you can plug in a 12900k. I mean, you can't take advantage of anything 😭 but it will most likely work.

 

 

[DreDre2022]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

A re-design could be in the works since Socket 1700 is Intel's future for the next 3-4 iterations at least for a 17" model. (fingers crossed).

 

I'm pretty sure you can plug in a 12900k. I mean, you can't take advantage of anything 😭 but it will most likely work.

 

 

True....LOL.......

[FredSRichardson]

I'm thinking my next system we'll either be a X170SM-G or X170KM-G or I'll build a portable desktop and start travelling with that instead.

[electrosoft]

On 4/16/2022 at 1:11 AM, FredSRichardson said:

I'm thinking my next system we'll either be a X170SM-G or X170KM-G or I'll build a portable desktop and start travelling with that instead.

 

I spent awhile (joyously) fine tuning my X170SM-G but now it runs like a beast. I had an X170KM-G but it was problematic and no Prema BIOS for full control.

 

@Clamibot and I have the same grand vision of a killer, well thought out, traveling SFF monster and a portable display and keyboard.

 

I am curious to see where this X15 goes though.

 

 

[Clamibot]

This is diverging from the topic a little, but regarding the portable desktop build I'm planning out, Sliger is releasing a new sff case around mid-May that can fit an ATX motherboard, full length GPU, and a 360mm AIO: https://imgur.com/gallery/pT7GUFc

 

The dimensions on the link are wrong, except for the thickness. The actual dimensions are 18.775 in x 17.43 in x 4.20 in (477mm x 443mm x 107mm). I think this case will be perfect for building the ultimate portable powerhouse. Now to find a bag it can fit in.🤣

[FredSRichardson]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I spent awhile (joyously) fine tuning my X170SM-G but now it runs like a beast. I had an X170KM-G but it was problematic and no Prema BIOS for full control.

 

@Clamibot and I have the same grand vision of a killer, well thought out, traveling SFF monster and a portable display and keyboard.

 

I am curious to see where this X15 goes though.

 

 

I've been getting pretty excited by some of the smaller SFF option out there like the Sliger CL520 which I think I could fit into my backpack along with a folding keyboard and monitor.  I don't need a touchpad or a battery - I plan to basically use it in places like hotel rooms where I'd be plugged in.  I am going to have to think about making sure it fits most hotel room safes...

 

If you haven't already, check out the Jankbook build in these forums - that is definitely looking at a laptop style SFF custom case build.  Pretty impressive effort here:

 

 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Clamibot said:

This is diverging from the topic a little, but regarding the portable desktop build I'm planning out, Sliger is releasing a new sff case around mid-May that can fit an ATX motherboard, full length GPU, and a 360mm AIO: https://imgur.com/gallery/pT7GUFc

 

The dimensions on the link are wrong, except for the thickness. The actual dimensions are 18.775 in x 17.43 in x 4.20 in (477mm x 443mm x 107mm). I think this case will be perfect for building the ultimate portable powerhouse. Now to find a bag it can fit in.🤣

 

I do like the perfect square and thinner width. Makes it easier to just place a portable display right on top and maybe even a TKL Keyboard there too for transport. 360mm AIO basically means hello 12th gen comfortably.

 

 

[FredSRichardson]

6 hours ago, Clamibot said:

This is diverging from the topic a little, but regarding the portable desktop build I'm planning out, Sliger is releasing a new sff case around mid-May that can fit an ATX motherboard, full length GPU, and a 360mm AIO: https://imgur.com/gallery/pT7GUFc

 

The dimensions on the link are wrong, except for the thickness. The actual dimensions are 18.775 in x 17.43 in x 4.20 in (477mm x 443mm x 107mm). I think this case will be perfect for building the ultimate portable powerhouse. Now to find a bag it can fit in.🤣

Sorry to continue to hijack the thread - I actually do have another thread on this topic if you guys want to pick it up there - it's under the desktop section of these forums.  I'm really trying to get something as thin as possible - the Sliger CL520 is under 3" (68mm) which is perfect for me - you can put a lot in that case.

[win32asmguy]

On 4/15/2022 at 4:27 PM, electrosoft said:

 

15" is a bummer.

H690 is a let down

 

As for the GPU, I don't know if we'll see any MXM cards again only fusion builds of socket-able CPUs and BGA GPUs.

 

The upside is you can bin your CPU and if/when the 3070ti isn't enough go eGPU.

 

Even with H690, once a system is in the wild great things do tend to happen. 🙂

 

And I agree; I would hope this is a portend of things to come and we get a proper 17" DTR.

 

 

Are there any specific BIOS options needed to be able to take advantage of a binned CPU? What would be a good CPU to go for in a machine like this? iGPU is likely required as this one has a MUX switch unlike the X170.

 

I think it only allows a sustained 90W PL1 in performance mode. They posted some benchmarks that seem to correlate that here:

 

https://eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(255)RaptorX15

[electrosoft]

36 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

Are there any specific BIOS options needed to be able to take advantage of a binned CPU? What would be a good CPU to go for in a machine like this? iGPU is likely required as this one has a MUX switch unlike the X170.

 

I think it only allows a sustained 90W PL1 in performance mode. They posted some benchmarks that seem to correlate that here:

 

https://eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(255)RaptorX15

 

I hope 90w PL1 isn't the max as that is basically a mobile level PL. I can't see that being the max or even close for a desktop chip which even spec'd from Intel is 125w which is rarely adhered to. All previous Clevo Intel DTRs of the last 6 generations (6th -> 11th) had much much higher PLs ranging from 150w up to 200w.

 

If you're looking to bin you will need a 12900 / 12900k(f) that doesn't so much overclock well put happens to have fantastic stock pull and thermals and can take a good UV.

 

I've binned 4 12900k chips and the stock pull running CB23 as a baseline has ranged from 241w down to 208w right out of the box.

Applying undervolts and/or reducing LLC had the 208w chip drawing down to 150w up to 162w (depending on heat) under load. Even my new  SP94 12900ks can't get close to that bottoming out at ~173w set to 4.9/3.9 like a 12900k. I usually qualify chips on a desktop board (Asus normally) that lets me differentiate between which chips work best at stock and can run full tilt under simulated conditions.

 

It's the same approach I took to hunt down good candidate 11900k and 10900k to work in the X170KM and X170SM so they wouldn't throttle and handle full runs.

 

Let's say the BIOS is locked down. You put a better chip in there it will draw less by default. If XTU (or TS) works, you can then lower than even more with a UV.

I would love to know the BIOS options. Coming from Eurocom (and hopefully who else offers it), I'd like to see some CPU control. Disabling e-cores would be great. We don't know how much XTU comes into play (or CCC) to apply an undervolt too. It is using the Insyde BIOS the same as the X170 series so it must likely can be unlocked to a degree.

 

Looking at those benchmarks, especially Timespy, that system is scoring lower than my X170SM-G both in GPU and CPU multi and of course looking at the CB23 score that single thread score is righteous and multi is better.

 

It looks to ship with a single 230w PSU so that is troubling as it touts supporting up to the 12900k.

 

We definitely need more real world testing and info to see what it can and can not do and how its power distribution works in CPU only, GPU only and combination scenarios.

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I hope 90w PL1 isn't the max as that is basically a mobile level PL. I can't see that being the max or even close for a desktop chip which even spec'd from Intel is 125w which is rarely adhered to. All previous Clevo Intel DTRs of the last 6 generations (6th -> 11th) had much much higher PLs ranging from 150w up to 200w.

 

If you're looking to bin you will need a 12900 / 12900k(f) that doesn't so much overclock well put happens to have fantastic stock pull and thermals and can take a good UV.

 

I've binned 4 12900k chips and the stock pull running CB23 as a baseline has ranged from 241w down to 208w right out of the box.

Applying undervolts and/or reducing LLC had the 208w chip drawing down to 150w up to 162w (depending on heat) under load. Even my new  SP94 12900ks can't get close to that bottoming out at ~173w set to 4.9/3.9 like a 12900k. I usually qualify chips on a desktop board (Asus normally) that lets me differentiate between which chips work best at stock and can run full tilt under simulated conditions.

 

It's the same approach I took to hunt down good candidate 11900k and 10900k to work in the X170KM and X170SM so they wouldn't throttle and handle full runs.

 

Let's say the BIOS is locked down. You put a better chip in there it will draw less by default. If XTU (or TS) works, you can then lower than even more with a UV.

I would love to know the BIOS options. Coming from Eurocom (and hopefully who else offers it), I'd like to see some CPU control. Disabling e-cores would be great. We don't know how much XTU comes into play (or CCC) to apply an undervolt too. It is using the Insyde BIOS the same as the X170 series so it must likely can be unlocked to a degree.

 

Looking at those benchmarks, especially Timespy, that system is scoring lower than my X170SM-G both in GPU and CPU multi and of course looking at the CB23 score that single thread score is righteous and multi is better.

 

It looks to ship with a single 230w PSU so that is troubling as it touts supporting up to the 12900k.

 

We definitely need more real world testing and info to see what it can and can not do and how its power distribution works in CPU only, GPU only and combination scenarios.

 

 

 

 

Maybe it is higher, but probably not as high as the X170 if I had to guess.

 

I am unsure about binning but it does sound like it could be worthwhile. I wish Silicon Lottery were still operating so I could just purchase a good chip for it as some had done for the X170SM. Would the 12900 option not be as good of a bin as a 12900k given its lower rated turbo speeds? Would the Rockit copper relid be something worthwhile to consider?

 

I think the shipped bios only has a handful of options just like the X170KM. There is one for a MUX control, and a Legacy Game Mode which parks the E-cores from the description. I would imagine that an unlocked bios could be made if it were worthwhile. I asked Eurocom for a copy of the service manual so I could look at the VRM specs, but they said Clevo had not released it yet.

 

I have not heard if Sager is going to carry this model. There is a company in Germany and Australia that have it listed.

[jc_denton]

This feels like a regression in several ways, locked down, non-mxm gpu, thin & light.

[electrosoft]

13 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Maybe it is higher, but probably not as high as the X170 if I had to guess.

 

I am unsure about binning but it does sound like it could be worthwhile. I wish Silicon Lottery were still operating so I could just purchase a good chip for it as some had done for the X170SM. Would the 12900 option not be as good of a bin as a 12900k given its lower rated turbo speeds? Would the Rockit copper relid be something worthwhile to consider?

 

I think the shipped bios only has a handful of options just like the X170KM. There is one for a MUX control, and a Legacy Game Mode which parks the E-cores from the description. I would imagine that an unlocked bios could be made if it were worthwhile. I asked Eurocom for a copy of the service manual so I could look at the VRM specs, but they said Clevo had not released it yet.

 

I have not heard if Sager is going to carry this model. There is a company in Germany and Australia that have it listed.

 

Considering the X170 is running dual 280w PSUs I'm inclined to agree its PL won't be as robust as previous DTRs.

 

Binning definitely can play a major role in laptop thermals. I can't imagine sticking a poorly binned 12900k that not only pulls 240w+ at stock but is leaky to boot especially when you're working with the thermal and power limitations of the X15 versus the robust expectations of a desktop.

 

I'm running a Silicon Lottery 10900k in my X170SM-G at the moment and under the same conditions it is pulling ~20w less than even the original binned ZtecPC 10900k and about 13 degrees cooler plus the ZtecPC 10900k is delidded and I'm running the SL 10900k as is. Delidded with a good Rockitcool or BartX (preferred) IHS I could bring that down even more.

 

Being able to park the E-cores is a step in the right direction. I know Dsanke was able to partially unlock the stock Insyder BIOS for the X170 series. While it isn't anywhere near full tilt Prema on the X170SM-G it definitely gave you more options and control.

 

I'm just really curious because my 12900k (sitting in a box atm while I run a 12900ks through the mill) is an exceptionally cool running 12900k. When i tested it against the other 3 12900k's I tried and saw the temps and pull my first thought was, "Pity Clevo isn't offering a 12th gen laptop. This would be perfect." With the wide variance of temps and pull of the 12900k, which is on par with the 11900k variance, binning a chip for use in this would be a high priority.

 

I checked RJ and nothing but I didn't message them either to see if they're going to carry it as a barebones. I'm not sure if XMG is going to carry it?

 

 

2 hours ago, jc_denton said:

This feels like a regression in several ways, locked down, non-mxm gpu, thin & light.

 

 

It is in many ways. But in the right hands the BIOS can most likely at least be unlocked a bit. If Prema was so inclined he could get in there and really fine tune it since it uses the Insyder or we could get a Dsanke partial unlock.

 

I'm not sure what they can do about the lack of mxm given the current state of mxm. I'm curious what model of 3070ti this is since that timespy GPU score is sub 2080 Super stock.

 

It almost feels like a hybrid model of a true DTR and a T&L but outside of the soldered GPU everything else looks like classic Clevo.

 

 

[win32asmguy]

Based on a previous Comet Lake LGA H570 Clevo design (NK50KK) this one may have a 5 phase VRM capable of up to 210A, so maybe 150W max if load voltage does not exceed 1.4v and the cooling system can handle it. Compared to the X170SM which has an 8 phase VRM capable of 245A from it's service manual specs.

 

Unsure about the 3070Ti. The Australian reseller says 130W, and the German reseller says 140W. No mention of dynamic boost. Given that Clevo also has the PD50PNN with a BGA 3070Ti, I would guess its probably the same as that, 140W including 15W dynamic boost according to RJTech specs.

 

I ordered one of these from Eurocom with a 12900, FHD, and 3070Ti. Maybe other US resellers will eventually carry them but for now they seem focused on Clevo's full BGA models like the above mentioned PD50PNN.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Based on a previous Comet Lake LGA H570 Clevo design (NK50KK) this one may have a 5 phase VRM capable of up to 210A, so maybe 150W max if load voltage does not exceed 1.4v and the cooling system can handle it. Compared to the X170SM which has an 8 phase VRM capable of 245A from it's service manual specs.

 

Unsure about the 3070Ti. The Australian reseller says 130W, and the German reseller says 140W. No mention of dynamic boost. Given that Clevo also has the PD50PNN with a BGA 3070Ti, I would guess its probably the same as that, 140W including 15W dynamic boost according to RJTech specs.

 

I ordered one of these from Eurocom with a 12900, FHD, and 3070Ti. Maybe other US resellers will eventually carry them but for now they seem focused on Clevo's full BGA models like the above mentioned PD50PNN.

 

Congrats on the purchase and I am VERY interested in your results and assessment especially CPU thermal characteristics and PL along with a touch of CCC, XTU or TS to see how much it can be tamed and get a look around that BIOS.

[saturnotaku]

Does this offer G-Sync, Advanced Optimus, or a MUX at the very least? Or is the 3070 Ti permanently connected to the display?