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5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

alrighty, took me a good day and a half to sort the stuff with my machine not properly booting with only two ram sticks installed. i finally decided to do a cmos pull, at which point i was greeted with a black screen. weird enough, external screen DID actually show an output. in the end it turned out that either cpu or gpu werent properly reinstalled after i had done some maintenance and repasting, so did it all over again and now everything's back to normal.

 

aaaaaaaaaanyhow, back to topic: making good progress in setting up my lady's machine, done with windows n driver and most of the programs n games. what ive noticed though: holy guacamole 12th gen runs HOT! 😱 like, wtf? the 12600 shes got installed is at PL1 90W and PL2 150W in perf. mode (full stock for now, no tuning yet via TS), and easily hits 90C+ with thermal throttling under load with clocks around 4.2-4.4 ghz. really wondering if i messed up the repaste with kryonaut or if theres an issue with cold plate contact, hmmm....lets finish the setup first, then ill check what can be done. in any case, the fans get LOUD once the cpu hits full bore, my lady aint gonna like that 😅

Which bios version did pcs ship? Was there good ihs contact after changing the pads?

 

Also curious if yours does have the mux option in the bios.

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Finally a "final boss" version of the 12950HX chip

 

Asus Strix Scar 17 SE is a monster with the 12950HX chip:

 

CB23 = 22918 pulling 140w with no throttling. Full vapor chamber for CPU and GPU and liquid metal on both. Looks like they're using K5 Pro too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/17/2022 at 8:02 AM, win32asmguy said:

Which bios version did pcs ship? Was there good ihs contact after changing the pads?

 

Also curious if yours does have the mux option in the bios.

looks like PCS customized version:

Bios - 1.07.01TPCS (dated 11-Jan-2022)

EC - 1.07.01

ME FW - 16.0.15.1620

 

could you re-confirm with your versions and dates for comparison?

 

heatplate contact should at least not be slanted, since the cpu cores are within 2-4C of each other in terms of temps. however, ill do another check to ensure that the plate is actually close enough to the HS to apply sufficient pressure.

 

no mux option in the bios, unfortunately. the bios is pretty barren overall, cant do much...

 

preliminary findings after some initial tuning attempts:

- Throttlestop will not let me do any voltage adjustments whatsoever, but i can tweak wattage limits a bit. highest ive seen so far was roughly 120W on the CPU (makes sense, Techpowerup's review of the 12600 noted a max power draw of 117W when wattage unlocked)

- I can also not do any multi adjustment via TS, only disable the turbo. this is very disappointing, since i usually use TS to artificially throttle the CPU when on battery to prolong system lifetime...

- I now have an idea why I am heat throttling so quickly: both cpu and gpu throttling limits seem to be set somewhere in the 80s C range, way too low to let the CPU stretch its legs properly. GPU however rarely even reaches 70C.

- Intel XTU will not even install on the system! apparently it is not compatible...

- no GPU core OC possible, i can only OC the vRAM. some quick testing revealed bench stable at +1500 Mhz, but +2000 Mhz crashed. looking good i would say! 😄

 

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Finally a "final boss" version of the 12950HX chip

 

Asus Strix Scar 17 SE is a monster with the 12950HX chip:

 

CB23 = 22918 pulling 140w with no throttling. Full vapor chamber for CPU and GPU and liquid metal on both. Looks like they're using K5 Pro too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ha, this actually sounds like someone took a stock laptop and then modded it NBR / NBT style 😄 aside from the full BGA, well executed!

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1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

looks like PCS customized version:

Bios - 1.07.01TPCS (dated 11-Jan-2022)

EC - 1.07.01

ME FW - 16.0.15.1620

 

could you re-confirm with your versions and dates for comparison?

 

heatplate contact should at least not be slanted, since the cpu cores are within 2-4C of each other in terms of temps. however, ill do another check to ensure that the plate is actually close enough to the HS to apply sufficient pressure.

 

no mux option in the bios, unfortunately. the bios is pretty barren overall, cant do much...

 

preliminary findings after some initial tuning attempts:

- Throttlestop will not let me do any voltage adjustments whatsoever, but i can tweak wattage limits a bit. highest ive seen so far was roughly 120W on the CPU (makes sense, Techpowerup's review of the 12600 noted a max power draw of 117W when wattage unlocked)

- I can also not do any multi adjustment via TS, only disable the turbo. this is very disappointing, since i usually use TS to artificially throttle the CPU when on battery to prolong system lifetime...

- I now have an idea why I am heat throttling so quickly: both cpu and gpu throttling limits seem to be set somewhere in the 80s C range, way too low to let the CPU stretch its legs properly. GPU however rarely even reaches 70C.

- Intel XTU will not even install on the system! apparently it is not compatible...

- no GPU core OC possible, i can only OC the vRAM. some quick testing revealed bench stable at +1500 Mhz, but +2000 Mhz crashed. looking good i would say! 😄

 

 

ha, this actually sounds like someone took a stock laptop and then modded it NBR / NBT style 😄 aside from the full BGA, well executed!

BIOS 1.07.05RPCS1 / EC 1.07.04, dated 4/16/2022.

 

I think the newer bios has higher CPU temp throttling limits as it can sustain over 90C without dropping PL1.

 

I haven't been able to get the GPU to boost above 115W, even in performance mode with PL1/PL2 capped to 45W and trying a few different drivers. Does yours go up to 140W?

 

For BGA models I would be more interested in the Dell Precision 7770 with 12900HX and 3080Ti, even with it needing the CAMM memory modules.

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5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

BIOS 1.07.05RPCS1 / EC 1.07.04, dated 4/16/2022.

 

I think the newer bios has higher CPU temp throttling limits as it can sustain over 90C without dropping PL1.

 

I haven't been able to get the GPU to boost above 115W, even in performance mode with PL1/PL2 capped to 45W and trying a few different drivers. Does yours go up to 140W?

 

For BGA models I would be more interested in the Dell Precision 7770 with 12900HX and 3080Ti, even with it needing the CAMM memory modules.

possible for you to post your Bios/EC and vBios, while youre at it? I also uploaded my stuff 🙂 vBios is version 94.04.7F.00.87

 

Bios/EC: https://mega.nz/file/0TRXiQxK#vP047_mh9EzO_tDR6Kw1Fc6F6PCsjUQzGid8OFUDqkM

vBios: https://mega.nz/file/4awFhApL#dxVDO68AMSEqMlY7HUox0bs6wq-c7lsemxwcaJZZPdE

 

GPU is kinda interesting in my case, it hits around 1380-1500 Mhz with some super small spikes to 1785 Mhz here and there, seems to be temperature related. running unigine superposition in 8K optimized its constantly at around 130W total GPU power. i could maybe try and restrict the CPU power to check and see if the gpu would reach higher.

 

btw, i should probably mentioned that ive got the XtremeG modded desktop drivers 512.59 installed. maybe that makes a difference: 

 

edit: did some more tweaking with TS, seems like i can restrict CPU power via clock modulation option, which allows me to drag it down to max. 15-18W. also, max. CPU power ive seen so far was 130W, was able to up the thermal throttling limit a bit to 90+C (with PROCHOT set to 100C).

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2 hours ago, GT3000 said:

Still no update. I think Eurocom are sick of me chiming in every week but hopefully hear something soon. The things we do for the things we want.

 

haha dont let up, get on their nerves! lettem know there are customers out there that want them to shut up and take their money! 😄

 

did some more testing, restricting the cpu to 45W doesnt make a difference for the GPU, still stuck at 130W. on the other hand, was able to push the CPU to 145W peak in CB, albeit at the cost of the machine shutting off due to overheating LOL. guess ill have to lower the PROCHOT option in TS from 100 to 98C to prevent such from happening again haha 😛 gpu stays cool though, max ive seen so far was 74-75C after repeated superposition runs.

 

as for the battery life, i managed to implement an automatic power plan switching when disconnecting the AC adapter. that, coupled with some TS tweaks to limit cpu power and lowering screen brightness lets me eke out roughly 4.5-5 hours total runtime. not bad, especially considering that at stock ud get more like 1.5-2.5 hours lol

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On 5/18/2022 at 7:57 AM, jaybee83 said:

looks like PCS customized version:

Bios - 1.07.01TPCS (dated 11-Jan-2022)

EC - 1.07.01

ME FW - 16.0.15.1620

 

could you re-confirm with your versions and dates for comparison?

 

heatplate contact should at least not be slanted, since the cpu cores are within 2-4C of each other in terms of temps. however, ill do another check to ensure that the plate is actually close enough to the HS to apply sufficient pressure.

 

no mux option in the bios, unfortunately. the bios is pretty barren overall, cant do much...

 

preliminary findings after some initial tuning attempts:

- Throttlestop will not let me do any voltage adjustments whatsoever, but i can tweak wattage limits a bit. highest ive seen so far was roughly 120W on the CPU (makes sense, Techpowerup's review of the 12600 noted a max power draw of 117W when wattage unlocked)

- I can also not do any multi adjustment via TS, only disable the turbo. this is very disappointing, since i usually use TS to artificially throttle the CPU when on battery to prolong system lifetime...

- I now have an idea why I am heat throttling so quickly: both cpu and gpu throttling limits seem to be set somewhere in the 80s C range, way too low to let the CPU stretch its legs properly. GPU however rarely even reaches 70C.

- Intel XTU will not even install on the system! apparently it is not compatible...

- no GPU core OC possible, i can only OC the vRAM. some quick testing revealed bench stable at +1500 Mhz, but +2000 Mhz crashed. looking good i would say! 😄

 

 

ha, this actually sounds like someone took a stock laptop and then modded it NBR / NBT style 😄 aside from the full BGA, well executed!

 

So it looks like Eurocom (as expected) as a customized BIOS version but PCS does too? Is there a "stock" Clevo version out there for comparison?

 

12600 is behaving exactly as expected especially after @win32asmguy's preliminary 12900 findings.

XTU might be auto rejecting the H series chipset whereas TS takes a, "come at me bro" approach.

Eurocom does tend to be a little more open with the BIOS than other companies at default

Hopefully Prema can get in there and work a little majick for you.

 

And yeah....Asus went HAM on the Strix Scar 12900HX full vapor chamber, liquid metal on both and k5 Pro aux applications. If money were no object and I could stomach a high end BGA CPU system, that would be it.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

So it looks like Eurocom (as expected) as a customized BIOS version but PCS does too? Is there a "stock" Clevo version out there for comparison?

 

12600 is behaving exactly as expected especially after @win32asmguy's preliminary 12900 findings.

XTU might be auto rejecting the H series chipset whereas TS takes a, "come at me bro" approach.

Eurocom does tend to be a little more open with the BIOS than other companies at default

Hopefully Prema can get in there and work a little majick for you.

 

And yeah....Asus went HAM on the Strix Scar 12900HX full vapor chamber, liquid metal on both and k5 Pro aux applications. If money were no object and I could stomach a high end BGA CPU system, that would be it.

 

 

The Eurocom bios is modified compared to the stock Clevo bios. Still not as much options as Prema, but more than Clevo offers by default.

 

@jaybee83 If you happen to decide to pick up a K series CPU, and dump the setup options for this older bios, and disable the overclocking lock, I would be curious if undervolting P-cache doesn't trigger a crash on your system.

 

The BGA HX chips aren't particularly special, if they were excellent bin's then it could score ~24000 CBR23 at 125W as well, correct?

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21 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The Eurocom bios is modified compared to the stock Clevo bios. Still not as much options as Prema, but more than Clevo offers by default.

 

@jaybee83 If you happen to decide to pick up a K series CPU, and dump the setup options for this older bios, and disable the overclocking lock, I would be curious if undervolting P-cache doesn't trigger a crash on your system.

 

The BGA HX chips aren't particularly special, if they were excellent bin's then it could score ~24000 CBR23 at 125W as well, correct?

 

Yep, 23k at 140w for the 12900hx vs 24k at 125w for a 12900k is a massive difference especially considering they pulled out all the stops with the vapor chamber and liquid metal to boot.

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aight dudes, just ordered a copper IHS upgrade kit with rockit cool, incl delid/relid kit and that removal paste for the intel sTIM. i figured we will definitely use it several times, starting with the 12600 now and later on with a 12900K and raptor lake successors 🙂 even with the 12600 itll surely pay off, since at present im not able to let it stay full bore at 4.4 Ghz all core indefinitely. with 10-15C less that would be a LOT closer to a realistic implementation! ill likely not relid the cpu but just use the socket clamp to hold the copper IHS in place. Gallinstan between the die and copper iHS and Kryonaut between IHS and heatsink is the plan (nope, not taking any chances with liquid metal on top of IHS in a laptop!).

 

will update u guys once i got the kit in 🤠

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Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel 12600 @ 4.4 - 4.8 Ghz / Nvidia 3070 Ti 8 GB GDDR6 / G.Skill 16 GB DDR4-3800 / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Intel AX201 ax+BT / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod!

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21 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

aight dudes, just ordered a copper IHS upgrade kit with rockit cool, incl delid/relid kit and that removal paste for the intel sTIM. i figured we will definitely use it several times, starting with the 12600 now and later on with a 12900K and raptor lake successors 🙂 even with the 12600 itll surely pay off, since at present im not able to let it stay full bore at 4.4 Ghz all core indefinitely. with 10-15C less that would be a LOT closer to a realistic implementation! ill likely not relid the cpu but just use the socket clamp to hold the copper IHS in place. Gallinstan between the die and copper iHS and Kryonaut between IHS and heatsink is the plan (nope, not taking any chances with liquid metal on top of IHS in a laptop!).

 

will update u guys once i got the kit in 🤠

 

Definitely looking at some delid/relid numbers but more importantly a flatter and ever so slightly taller IHS and results. 💪

 

 

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On 5/20/2022 at 2:12 PM, jaybee83 said:

aight dudes, just ordered a copper IHS upgrade kit with rockit cool, incl delid/relid kit and that removal paste for the intel sTIM. i figured we will definitely use it several times, starting with the 12600 now and later on with a 12900K and raptor lake successors 🙂 even with the 12600 itll surely pay off, since at present im not able to let it stay full bore at 4.4 Ghz all core indefinitely. with 10-15C less that would be a LOT closer to a realistic implementation! ill likely not relid the cpu but just use the socket clamp to hold the copper IHS in place. Gallinstan between the die and copper iHS and Kryonaut between IHS and heatsink is the plan (nope, not taking any chances with liquid metal on top of IHS in a laptop!).

 

will update u guys once i got the kit in 🤠

Sweet, will be glad to hear results. If anything practicing a delid on the 12600 is probably better than a good bin 12900k, it would be horrible to destroy a good one if an accident happened with the delid.

 

Oh, BTW, Clevo posted some updated drivers, here: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en Just select the NH55JNN model from the dropdown.

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1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

Sweet, will be glad to hear results. If anything practicing a delid on the 12600 is probably better than a good bin 12900k, it would be horrible to destroy a good one if an accident happened with the delid.

 

Oh, BTW, Clevo posted some updated drivers, here: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en Just select the NH55JNN model from the dropdown.

will keep u updated for sure 🙂 did a 10 min CB23 test yesterday and turns out long term the 12600 is only running at 3.6-3.7ghz all core due to heat, so delid definitely required.

 

about time for the drivers! so far it was empty for our model at the clevo website. thanks for the heads up!

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4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Sweet, will be glad to hear results. If anything practicing a delid on the 12600 is probably better than a good bin 12900k, it would be horrible to destroy a good one if an accident happened with the delid.

 

Oh, BTW, Clevo posted some updated drivers, here: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en Just select the NH55JNN model from the dropdown.

 

Updated the launch page with a link to drivers, thanks!

 

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currently finishing up stock baseline of benches to get an idea of performance on cpu, gpu and ram before we continue with prema magic. what ive noticed: once the gpu hits above 70C consistently (not sure when exactly, its somewhere around 70 to 75C), the vRAM clocks suddenly start fluctuating, ive seen anywhere from 6000 to 8000 Mhz. 

 

if there is interest, i can post my baseline results for reference here in the thread once done 🙂 and then later on compare to the max attained numbers with premamod.

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played around a bit with CRU and managed to push the FHD display to a whopping 248 Hz 😄 but hey, still better than a kick in the teeth, amirite? starting at 249 Hz it glitches, so no dice....

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4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

currently finishing up stock baseline of benches to get an idea of performance on cpu, gpu and ram before we continue with prema magic. what ive noticed: once the gpu hits above 70C consistently (not sure when exactly, its somewhere around 70 to 75C), the vRAM clocks suddenly start fluctuating, ive seen anywhere from 6000 to 8000 Mhz. 

 

if there is interest, i can post my baseline results for reference here in the thread once done 🙂 and then later on compare to the max attained numbers with premamod.

 

Definitely interested. Was this gonna be premamod supported or nah?

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6 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

I picked up another 12900k from Micro Center today. Sadly it does not perform any better than the previous one from Best Buy. I guess I could try one from Newegg next.

haha kudos to your persistence man! 😁

 

@GT3000 ok kool, will post the goods later then, finished the baseline benches last night.

im not sure about official premamod support, were currently still in the very early stages, trying to get modified bios images to flash. seems like there is some sort of signed bios lock.

@win32asmguy got any info on that? did you encounter any such block in terms of only signed bios being able to flash? i do have some options in the stock bios where id be able to delete signing certificates, not sure if that would help anything tho....

 

edit: holy guacamole, did you guys see the AMD announcement for AM5 & Ryzen 7000? thats what ive been waiting for to switch to a monster desktop woooooo!

16/24 cores, 5.5 ghz, 170W+ TDP, X670 Extreme chipset tier for extreme OC, ddr5-6000 official support, 24 pcie 5.0 lanes, and more!

so yeah, seems like this fall im gonna finally burn all my pocket money savings lol

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6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

haha kudos to your persistence man! 😁

 

@GT3000 ok kool, will post the goods later then, finished the baseline benches last night.

im not sure about official premamod support, were currently still in the very early stages, trying to get modified bios images to flash. seems like there is some sort of signed bios lock.

@win32asmguy got any info on that? did you encounter any such block in terms of only signed bios being able to flash? i do have some options in the stock bios where id be able to delete signing certificates, not sure if that would help anything tho....

 

edit: holy guacamole, did you guys see the AMD announcement for AM5 & Ryzen 7000? thats what ive been waiting for to switch to a monster desktop woooooo!

16/24 cores, 5.5 ghz, 170W+ TDP, X670 Extreme chipset tier for extreme OC, ddr5-6000 official support, 24 pcie 5.0 lanes, and more!

so yeah, seems like this fall im gonna finally burn all my pocket money savings lol

I take it you are trying to flash via FPTW? Or using a SPI programmer directly? FPTW would need Config lock disabled, and it sometimes takes multiple applications + reboots to get the setting to stick. Signing certificates are probably for secure boot.

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11 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

I take it you are trying to flash via FPTW? Or using a SPI programmer directly? FPTW would need Config lock disabled, and it sometimes takes multiple applications + reboots to get the setting to stick. Signing certificates are probably for secure boot.

no SPI programmer, weve been using Insyde H20FFT v6.44. thx for the headsup, im sure well get it installed soon 🙂 

 

in the meantime, here is a write up of my baseline results (config is in my signature). note that all tests were run with FN+1 enabled, thus max fans with the back of the machine raised for improved airflow. CPU and GPU incl VRMs were repadded and thermal paste was TG Kryonaut.

 

RAM

absolutely no way to adjust anything for RAM, which is a shame, considering were sporting DDR-3800 modules from G.Skill here. in any case, they revert to SPD defaults of 2400-17-17-17-39, so dont expect any magical results lol

I ran AIDA64 ten times in a row and providing the average results here:

 

Read - 36191 MB/s

Write - 34842 MB/s

Copy - 34638 MB/s

Latency - 79.0 ns

 

In my Dark Knight those modules running at 3300 Mhz with all timings finetuned are more in the range of 47-51000 MB/s and 45 ns, so were talking at least a 35-40% boost on bandwidth and 75% boost on latency. im expecting much better results on the NH55, since its 12th gern (stronger IMC), only two RAM slots vs. four and HOPEFULLY better traces on the mobo. lets see what Premamod can do here, in case we get RAM control back 🙂 

 

CPU

CInebench R23 Bench (Realtime Priority)

as before, another ten consecutive runs to get an idea of how the 12600 behaves at stock config. only tuning i did was to set High Perf. profile and tune whatever i can with TS (i.e. set wattage limits to 4095W for PL1/PL2/PP0 and 1023W for Power Limit 4, max out turbo timings, set PROCHOT to 98C) while running the stock bios. the first run started out strong at almost 12300, but then results kept decreasing as the cooling system got saturated until scores stabilized around the 4th run at 11800-11900 points. this puts the 12600 at about the same range as a 9900 (non-K) or 10700 (non-K). the scores im currently getting definitely beat the stock 12600 with all limits in place as per TechPowerUp review (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-12600/6.html) by about 6-7%, but there is still performance to be had! fully unleashed the 12600 is capable of roughly 13800 pts. so im hoping the delid kit from Rockit Cool in combination with the copper IHS will be able to provide those extra 12% gains.

 

Average = 11938 pts.

Max = 12268 pts.

Min = 11806 pts.

 

Cinebench R23 10min. Stress

I also wanted to see how the 12600 behaves under an extended load so i let it run for 10 min straight in CB23 and monitored everything with HWInfo64:

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Results:

Overall clocks averaged 3.7 Ghz all core, with around 3.6-3.7 Ghz fluctuating in the end of the run. this is due to the high thermals that clocked in at 94.3C average across all cores. not a pretty sight, especially if u consider that the majority of cores hit a max of 100C, yikes. in any case, the system remained stable although ive had a crash before when i set PROCHOT to 100C, but at 98C it keeps running indefinitely.

CPU wattage had a peak of a whopping 145W with an average of 88.4W. again, ill be curious to see how high we can make this go once we got thermals under control.

 

Throttlestop 960M Bench (Realtime Priority)

Once more 10 runs, with similar behaviour as previously seen in CB23: good first run, then steadily decreasing until stabilization hits.

 

Average = 82.554 s

Best = 80.409 s

Worst = 83.757 s

 

CPU-Z Bench 19.01.64 AVX2 Beta (Realtime Priority)

Another ten runs with the same behaviour, you get the gist! This time for both Single and Multi-Threaded workloads.

 

SIngle:

Average = 1101.2 pts.

Max = 1105.9 pts.

Min = 1088.1 pts.

 

Multi:

Average = 7362.9 pts.

Max = 7392.6 pts.

Min = 7339.2 pts.

 

Overall, this results in a 6,7x multi-core factor vs. single core, which means that HyperThreading is only able to improve the multi score by a measly 11-12%. although im expecting that the multi score is on the low side due to power and/or thermal constraints, whereas single can go full bore without limitations and, of course, at a higher frequency (4.8 max single vs. 4.4 Ghz max multi).

 

GPU

no tuning done here, just set high performance and fans to max. ill only start tuning and OC once we get premamod running 😉 

 

3DMark Time Spy & Firestrike Ultra

first up, forgive me for posting such "weird" data on the TIme Spy runs, thats all i get for not willing to upgrade my old license haha 😛 but should still be sufficient for comparison purposes.

i did 3 runs each with every gpu bench for higher accuracy.

 

Time Spy Averages

GPU Score = 10978

Test 1 fps = 72.76

Test 2 fps = 62.03

CPU fps = 28.27

 

Firestrike Ultra Averages

Total = 7405

GPU = 7310

Physics = 24855

Combined = 3786

 

overall it seems like these scores land right where they should be. a bit above average scores, but nothing to write home about. pretty solid.

 

Unigine (1080p maxxed out)

again every bench ran thrice to get consistent results. 

 

Sanctuary - 16686 pts / 393.5 fps

Tropics - 7860 pts / 312.0 fps

Heaven - 3692 pts / 146.5 fps

Valley - 6324 pts / 151.1 fps

Superposition - 15674 pts / 117.2 fps

 

was nice to see that at 1080p the 3070 Ti even at stock is able to run everything super smooth 🙂 yes i know, those arent up to date triple AAA games here but nevertheless, at maxed out settings Heaven and later are not that easy to run!

 

Firestrike Ultra 10 min. Stress

As before with CB23 on the cpu i wanted to get an idea of how the gpu behaves when stressed over a longer period of time, monitored again via HWInfo64:

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Summary:

- Running at high res the gpu is bottlenecked (naturally) and the cpu is pegged at 4.75 Ghz all core on average

- CPU averages 60C across all cores while drawing 36W avg with a peak of 65W

- Total System Power averaged 198W with a peak at 231W (PSU rated for 230W)

- RAM temps averaged 53-54C on the two sticks

- GPU temp average 76C with a max. at 80C

- GPU Hot Spot averaged 88C with a max. at 92C

- GPU Power averaged 129W with a peak at 130W, seems like its very tightly power controlled!

- GPU Core averaged 1481 Mhz, with a total range of 1350 to 1665 Mhz

- GPU vRAM averaged 1603 Mhz, with a total range of 1500 to 1750 Mhz (interesting to see the vRAM clocks fluctuating! WTF!)

 

alright, this is it for now regarding the baseline. now lets see what we can coax out of it with identical hardware, cooling and firmware mods only biatch! 😎

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On 5/22/2022 at 10:47 PM, win32asmguy said:

I picked up another 12900k from Micro Center today. Sadly it does not perform any better than the previous one from Best Buy. I guess I could try one from Newegg next.

 

Problem is right now Intel is hoarding a lot of decent bins for 12900ks but most 12900k's will be ~SP84'ish in silicon quality which is not great. If you had an Asus board that supported SP rating (Strix D4, Prime A, Hero) you would probably see the ratings are ho hum at best.

 

I binned 5 and really it was random luck I landed a chip that ran ridiculously low and cool. Most 12900ks chips will blow it out the water for overclocking though. Testing it on that B660M board with that small air cooler and seeing it only run ~5c hoter than a 12100f while pulling 60w more was astounding. I didn't even expect those types of results.

 

Is it a thermal issue or a PL issue? If it is thermal issues, a delid and relid with a good IHS will work wonders. I know everybody is doing Rockitcool, but I would recommend BartX. Not only can you get a nickel plated IHS (no soak issues with LM), but he will custom make an IHS for you with additional height if needed for a tighter pairing.

 

I've purchased a few custom made IHS's from him and they worked great. One for 9900ks and another for 10900k.

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On 5/22/2022 at 5:09 PM, jaybee83 said:

currently finishing up stock baseline of benches to get an idea of performance on cpu, gpu and ram before we continue with prema magic. what ive noticed: once the gpu hits above 70C consistently (not sure when exactly, its somewhere around 70 to 75C), the vRAM clocks suddenly start fluctuating, ive seen anywhere from 6000 to 8000 Mhz. 

 

if there is interest, i can post my baseline results for reference here in the thread once done 🙂 and then later on compare to the max attained numbers with premamod.

 

Yeah, I definitely want to see as much data as you're willing to provide. It helps fill in the caps and set baselines and expectations.

 

Edit: Just read your comprehensive baseline data post, awesome!

 

How are you pulling 140w when @win32asmguy was capped at 125w ? I mean, if it is a BIOS variation thing that is promising and we can focus on containing the furnace with a dialed in uv and ac/dc ll if the BIOS can be opened up enough. I know on my P870TM I dialed in everything with a fixed Vcore and ll settings to really chop off a lot of wattage and keep the CPU running within spec.

 

So much room for improvements from binned silicon to uv to IHS to thermal compound selection to additional heatsinks and more....good stuff ahead. 🙂

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

no SPI programmer, weve been using Insyde H20FFT v6.44. thx for the headsup, im sure well get it installed soon 🙂 

 

in the meantime, here is a write up of my baseline results (config is in my signature). note that all tests were run with FN+1 enabled, thus max fans with the back of the machine raised for improved airflow. CPU and GPU incl VRMs were repadded and thermal paste was TG Kryonaut.

Lots of good stuff here.

 

I am curious about choosing Kryonaut. I have heard before it breaks down over 80C so long term it doesn't hold up well in laptops. Is that the case here? I have used Thermalright TFX so far with mine. Also have Cooler Master Mastergel Maker as it was the only decent option Micro Center had in stock when I was there. Going through a lot of paste trying out all these CPUs.

 

Got another 12900k on order from Newegg tomorrow. I hope it is a better, or even worse performer. Each of the 12900k and locked 12900 have been with 1% performance of each other. I would suspect I had gotten a better or worse one by now. I hope the bios does not have some weird lock on how it reads the factory VF Curve on the CPU.

 

For RAM I am using a HyperX DDR4-3200 CL20 dual rank 32GB Micron E-die kit. Not the fastest but its better than most generic RAM and quite stable in the system which is useful as I am focusing on the CPU right now.

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