Official Clevo NH55JNNQ / NH5xJNxx 12th gen Socket 1700 LGA laptop thread

[ViktorV]

4 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, you and basically everyone else in this thread. only issue being that Clevo DTRs are a thing of the past, basically. this is currently the "best compromise" in a landscape full of BGA only garbage 😅

But despite this, the Clevo DTR is still afloat and there is still something to work on. And in terms of performance, they practically do not differ from the "new solutions". If I needed a car that I don’t have or don’t want to climb, then I wouldn’t buy a DTR. It’s all about passion)))

[jaybee83]

3 minutes ago, ViktorV said:

But despite this, the Clevo DTR is still afloat and there is still something to work on. And in terms of performance, they practically do not differ from the "new solutions". If I needed a car that I don’t have or don’t want to climb, then I wouldn’t buy a DTR. It’s all about passion)))

 

i guess the tricky thing is to be able and combine the passion with the itch to have the latest and greatest 😉 

 

[win32asmguy]

52 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, you and basically everyone else in this thread. only issue being that Clevo DTRs are a thing of the past, basically. this is currently the "best compromise" in a landscape full of BGA only garbage 😅

 

It does not help that there is something about it that hurts each potential use group. Overclockers do not want it due to lack of Z690 and low CPU power cap, DTR crowd does not want it because no 128GB memory or 4x SSD slots, T&L do not want it because its thicker and heavier than most 15 inchers and not as good battery life, Gamers do not want it because its a low TDP 3070Ti without MUX/AdvOptimus.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

It does not help that there is something about it that hurts each potential use group. Overclockers do not want it due to lack of Z690 and low CPU power cap, DTR crowd does not want it because no 128GB memory or 4x SSD slots, T&L do not want it because its thicker and heavier than most 15 inchers and not as good battery life, Gamers do not want it because its a low TDP 3070Ti without MUX/AdvOptimus.

 

damn, way to make it look like a POS 😂 but i get what u mean, from that perspective it really seems like a bad compromise on all fronts. thats fine though, for the usage purposes of my wife this machine ticks all the right boxes and most importantly, will have a long expected life span in terms of upgradeability and performance.

[ViktorV]

56 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

i guess the tricky thing is to be able and combine the passion with the itch to have the latest and greatest 😉 

 

Believe me, I can afford to buy the newest and best, and even more, but from the fact that now they offer me a new one, there is nothing worthy of attention, but only the old one in a new wrapper with exorbitant TDP. For my tasks with a head enough and what I already have)))

[win32asmguy]

50 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

damn, way to make it look like a POS 😂 but i get what u mean, from that perspective it really seems like a bad compromise on all fronts. thats fine though, for the usage purposes of my wife this machine ticks all the right boxes and most importantly, will have a long expected life span in terms of upgradeability and performance.

 

Yeah it was pretty harsh. It is very upgrade friendly so appealing in that regard.

 

Which bios version are you running from Prema? I noticed last night that a 1.07.08 is available from https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/NH5xJNN(Q)_R(Q)_PS(Y)/ so I want to ask Eurocom if they have their variant of it as well. Too bad still no Service Manual posted with schematics.

[jaybee83]

46 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah it was pretty harsh. It is very upgrade friendly so appealing in that regard.

 

Which bios version are you running from Prema? I noticed last night that a 1.07.08 is available from https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/NH5xJNN(Q)_R(Q)_PS(Y)/ so I want to ask Eurocom if they have their variant of it as well. Too bad still no Service Manual posted with schematics.

 

i think we were still on 07, unless he updated it without me noticing. i can check and get back to you if you like.

 

and yeah, havent seen or heard anything about service manual availability either on our side...

[Clamibot]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, you and basically everyone else in this thread. only issue being that Clevo DTRs are a thing of the past... this is currently the "best compromise" in a landscape full of BGA only garbage 😅

 

Last night I had a dream that Clevo released an X370 model with a 13900KS and RTX 40 series GPU. It looked very similar to the X170, but a little bit thinner,  wider, and longer/deeper. It was more like the size of an 18 inch laptop. It had an absolutely massive unified vapor chamber for the CPU and GPU.

 

Thinking of the design I saw in my dream, assuming they give this thing dual 330 watt power bricks like with the P870, it should be possible to cram a 13900KS and RTX 4090 into the laptop. The 13900KS would perform just as it would in a desktop, and we should be able to get around 95% of the performance out of the 4090 as we would in a desktop.

 

Even if this X370 got dual 280 watt power bricks like the X170, we'd still have an RTX 4090 that performs 90% as well as it would in a desktop. I'll take that even if I have to pay a premium for a real DTR! With a bit of tuning, we can get it right back to that 95% mark, which is close enough. The unified vapor chamber I saw should be capable of dissipating at least a 700 watt combined heat output. It was MASSIVE.

 

X370 with 13900KS and RTX 4090? Oh man that's a dream. It'd probably be prohibitively expensive, but I still want to see it happen. One can hope. If Clevo actually releases such a laptop, that'll give a whole new meaning to "laptop of my dreams". I really hope they do.

[jaybee83]

16 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Last night I had a dream that Clevo released an X370 model with a 13900KS and RTX 40 series GPU. It looked very similar to the X170, but a little bit thinner,  wider, and longer/deeper. It was more like the size of an 18 inch laptop. It had an absolutely massive unified vapor chamber for the CPU and GPU.

 

Thinking of the design I saw in my dream, assuming they give this thing dual 330 watt power bricks like with the P870, it should be possible to cram a 13900KS and RTX 4090 into the laptop. The 13900KS would perform just as it would in a desktop, and we should be able to get around 95% of the performance out of the 4090 as we would in a desktop.

 

Even if this X370 got dual 280 watt power bricks like the X170, we'd still have an RTX 4090 that performs 90% as well as it would in a desktop. I'll take that even if I have to pay a premium for a real DTR! With a bit of tuning, we can get it right back to that 95% mark, which is close enough. The unified vapor chamber I saw should be capable of dissipating at least a 700 watt combined heat output. It was MASSIVE.

 

X370 with 13900KS and RTX 4090? Oh man that's a dream. It'd probably be prohibitively expensive, but I still want to see it happen. One can hope. If Clevo actually releases such a laptop, that'll give a whole new meaning to "laptop of my dreams". I really hope they do.

 

hahaha that gave me a really hearty laugh, what a wonderful dream u were having! give this man a laptop design job at Clevo! 😁

[runix18]

12 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Last night I had a dream that Clevo released an X370 model with a 13900KS and RTX 40 series GPU. It looked very similar to the X170, but a little bit thinner,  wider, and longer/deeper. It was more like the size of an 18 inch laptop. It had an absolutely massive unified vapor chamber for the CPU and GPU.

 

Thinking of the design I saw in my dream, assuming they give this thing dual 330 watt power bricks like with the P870, it should be possible to cram a 13900KS and RTX 4090 into the laptop. The 13900KS would perform just as it would in a desktop, and we should be able to get around 95% of the performance out of the 4090 as we would in a desktop.

 

Even if this X370 got dual 280 watt power bricks like the X170, we'd still have an RTX 4090 that performs 90% as well as it would in a desktop. I'll take that even if I have to pay a premium for a real DTR! With a bit of tuning, we can get it right back to that 95% mark, which is close enough. The unified vapor chamber I saw should be capable of dissipating at least a 700 watt combined heat output. It was MASSIVE.

 

X370 with 13900KS and RTX 4090? Oh man that's a dream. It'd probably be prohibitively expensive, but I still want to see it happen. One can hope. If Clevo actually releases such a laptop, that'll give a whole new meaning to "laptop of my dreams". I really hope they do.

Yes but why 13900ks? Amd Ryzen 7000 series with the above config would make me sell a kidney🤣

[win32asmguy]

12 hours ago, runix18 said:

Yes but why 13900ks? Amd Ryzen 7000 series with the above config would make me sell a kidney🤣

 

From this post from Tom at XMG it sounds like Clevo did not have direct support from AMD on the AM4 laptops:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/xveejf/we_regret_to_inform_you_that_we_see_no_further/

 

So anything AM5 might be less likely. I think historically Intel has been a better partner with Clevo for building their DTR models.

 

I would be happy to see one or at least a NH55J refresh with Raptor Lake support and 4070 mobile with a working MUX. Even better if they offered it in the 17 inch form factor so it could take the larger 97WH battery, have additional USB-C ports and better cooling / ventilation.

[cylix]

Uff sad indeed, end of an era

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The experiences of the last two years have shown us that the window of opportunity for laptops with desktop CPUs is closing. The recent introduction of desktop-level performance in mobile chipsets, such as Intel's 12th Gen "HX"-series and AMD's rumored Dragon Range will probably be the final blow.

 

Final remarks

The desktop CPU models of XMG APEX series are some of the last ones of its kind. We are sad to see this product category go, since our company was founded on laptop solutions with replacable CPUs and GPUs. This is in our DNA!

We wish to apologize to all customers who have been waiting for further CPU upgrades. If you have any other comments, questions or suggestions on this announcement, please let us know. We are looking forward to your feedback!

// Tom

 

[ThisMayBeYou]

Hey guys, today I wrote an email to Insyde Corporation asking for update of UEFI Variable Editor. I see it does not support Alder Lake BIOSes. Wonder if they give me link and I can share bios unlocker with you all. I been able to modify all bioses up to alder lake with this tool.

[Clamibot]

17 hours ago, runix18 said:

Yes but why 13900ks? Amd Ryzen 7000 series with the above config would make me sell a kidney🤣

 

That's just the CPU the laptop happened to have in my dream buddy. 😁

[1610ftw]

On 10/13/2022 at 4:09 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

It does not help that there is something about it that hurts each potential use group. Overclockers do not want it due to lack of Z690 and low CPU power cap, DTR crowd does not want it because no 128GB memory or 4x SSD slots, T&L do not want it because its thicker and heavier than most 15 inchers and not as good battery life, Gamers do not want it because its a low TDP 3070Ti without MUX/AdvOptimus.

When I saw this was coming out I found it deplorable:

 

17" or bigger screen? nope

at least 4 storage slots? nope

up to 128GB memory? nope

big battery? nope

optimus? nope

big CPU TDP? nope

big cooling capabilities? nope

top of the line GPU? nope

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

From this post from Tom at XMG it sounds like Clevo did not have direct support from AMD on the AM4 laptops:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/xveejf/we_regret_to_inform_you_that_we_see_no_further/

 

So anything AM5 might be less likely. I think historically Intel has been a better partner with Clevo for building their DTR models.

 

I would be happy to see one or at least a NH55J refresh with Raptor Lake support and 4070 mobile with a working MUX. Even better if they offered it in the 17 inch form factor so it could take the larger 97WH battery, have additional USB-C ports and better cooling / ventilation.

 

99.9 Wh battery pls 😁😋 im still in touch with our unicorn wiz to check and see if we can port RPL support to our system.

 

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

 

That's just the CPU the laptop happened to have in my dream buddy. 😁

 

any highend desktop cpu will do, pls and thank you 😁

 

21 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

When I saw this was coming out I found it deplorable:

 

17" or bigger screen? nope

at least 4 storage slots? nope

up to 128GB memory? nope

big battery? nope

optimus? nope

big CPU TDP? nope

big cooling capabilities? nope

top of the line GPU? nope

 

 

 

yep u guys are right, lemme throw it out with the trash, disgusting piece of....nah, i still like it cuz NOTHING ELSE TO CHOOSE FROM 😅

 

[1610ftw]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

yep u guys are right, lemme throw it out with the trash, disgusting piece of....nah, i still like it cuz NOTHING ELSE TO CHOOSE FROM 😅

 

Don't let us spoil the fun for you and your lady - most people are happy with 15.6" and 2 drives and memory slots each - unfortunately this is also the reason why I have exactly zero models to choose from this generation if I wanted a truly upgradeable (CPU) laptop 😒 

 

I think the "fault" of the NH55 is also that it comes after the X170 chassis and it is a downgrade in just about every metric that is important for DTRs - and that is after the X170 already was a downgrade compared to the P870.

[1610ftw]

13 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

From this post from Tom at XMG it sounds like Clevo did not have direct support from AMD on the AM4 laptops:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/xveejf/we_regret_to_inform_you_that_we_see_no_further/

 

So anything AM5 might be less likely. I think historically Intel has been a better partner with Clevo for building their DTR models.

 

I would be happy to see one or at least a NH55J refresh with Raptor Lake support and 4070 mobile with a working MUX. Even better if they offered it in the 17 inch form factor so it could take the larger 97WH battery, have additional USB-C ports and better cooling / ventilation.

 

On one hand Intel may be a better partner but on the other hand Intel changes sockets all the time.

 

If they now released a socket 1700 compatible successor to the X170 it would again only last for one generation so for now it make more sense to improve the NH55 and wait for next year for the next socket that will last for hopefully at least 3 generations. Personally if such a laptop finally gets Thunderbolt 5 or better and something like Optimus I would prefer an AM5 socket flagship DTR now as the socket will be supported until at least 2025 according to AMD.

 

Sadly it looks like AMD is not interested in ruling the (small) laptop DTR world which looks like a missed opportunity to me.

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Don't let us spoil the fun for you and your lady - most people are happy with 15.6" and 2 drives and memory slots each - unfortunately this is also the reason why I have exactly zero models to choose from this generation if I wanted a truly upgradeable (CPU) laptop 😒 

 

I think the "fault" of the NH55 is also that it comes after the X170 chassis and it is a downgrade in just about every metric that is important for DTRs - and that is after the X170 already was a downgrade compared to the P870.

haha no worries mate, its all in good fun. tbh, between us, dont let my lady hear that, i would personally not buy such a machine either... 😅 and yep AMD has no interest in such a DTR machine because their limited resourcee make them focus more on where the money is, i.e. hardware for the masses.

[1610ftw]

54 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

haha no worries mate, its all on good fun. tbh, between us, dont let my lady hear that, i would personally not buy such a machine either... 😅 

 

Spoken like a true DTR snob 😄Still it is a nice little machine for people who do not need more and want to play around a little bit, even getting a good CPU sample in such a device would be fun that cannot be had with a BGA book.

 

 

55 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

and yep AMD has no interest in such a DTR machine because their limited resourcee male them focus more on where the money is, i.e. hardware for the masses.

 

From my point of view our best hope would be a company like MSI producing an AMD based DTR.

They have the best stock bios, they have done socketed before and they are in a better position to do it as AMD also supports them for their desktop mainboards so they will have a much better chance to make this work in a laptop, too.

 

Of course then you see the GT77 and lose all hope for them again turning their back on Intel and BGA...

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Spoken like a true DTR snob 😄Still it is a nice little machine for people who do not need more and want to play around a little bit, even getting a good CPU sample in such a device would be fun that cannot be had with a BGA book.

 

 

 

From my point of view our best hope would be a company like MSI producing an AMD based DTR.

They have the best stock bios, they have done socketed before and they are in a better position to do it as AMD also supports them for their desktop mainboards so they will have a much better chance to make this work in a laptop, too.

 

Of course then you see the GT77 and lose all hope for them again turning their back on Intel and BGA...

true, MSI has proven they got what it takes if they set their sights on it to design a proper white book with dtr features.

 

for my lady the most important thing was longevity and serviceability. since im her tech support the NH55 was the best option to ensure long lasting upgradeability. as for the bga gpu shell not care since it already provides moooooore than enough juice for her usage cases.

 

as for me, well, Batman is currently serving its last few days and Hyperion the BEAST will soon take over 😁

speaking of which, i should update my sig soon haha

[win32asmguy]

7 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

On one hand Intel may be a better partner but on the other hand Intel changes sockets all the time.

 

If they now released a socket 1700 compatible successor to the X170 it would again only last for one generation so for now it make more sense to improve the NH55 and wait for next year for the next socket that will last for hopefully at least 3 generations. Personally if such a laptop finally gets Thunderbolt 5 or better and something like Optimus I would prefer an AM5 socket flagship DTR now as the socket will be supported until at least 2025 according to AMD.

 

Sadly it looks like AMD is not interested in ruling the (small) laptop DTR world which looks like a missed opportunity to me.

 

An NH55J refresh should be "low hanging fruit" from an engineering stance, so long as Nvidia 4000 mobile designs can be dropped in with minimal modification.

[1610ftw]

6 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

An NH55J refresh should be "low hanging fruit" from an engineering stance, so long as Nvidia 4000 mobile designs can be dropped in with minimal modification.

 

Indeed, that should be doable. An X170 successor not so much. Even inserting the proper microcode to allow the current chassis to continue with Raptor Lake would be a win.

[jaybee83]

53 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Indeed, that should be doable. An X170 successor not so much. Even inserting the proper microcode to allow the current chassis to continue with Raptor Lake would be a win.

keeping tabs on this 😇

[1610ftw]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

keeping tabs on this 😇

 

I am told that there are people who might be interested 😉

 

Looking at how Intel is praising the 13900K it should be possible to achieve 30K+ CB R23 on the NH55 which is quite impressive and unlikely to be surpassed any time soon as the next generation mobile HX processors will not arrive before first quarter of next year and possibly even later.