Official Clevo NH55JNNQ / NH5xJNxx 12th gen Socket 1700 LGA laptop thread

[Blacky]

There are a couple of things to consider regarding the high cost:

1. You need to get a new CPU. Used ones may not work as they don't survive very well the desoldering process. This, in turn, limits the number of CPUs available for purchase. On the other hand, it also limits the demand as not many people will go through the upgrade process.

2. The high upgrade cost is mostly due to the labour of getting it done. The labour cost is the same regardless of the CPU, so it might make sense if you upgrade from an i5 to an i9.

 

The guys at the repair shop checked the laptop schematics beforehand. They told me about experiences like your situation, where even though the socket is compatible, the laptop might now accept the upgrade. Apparently the BIOS must also white list the CPU model on particular laptops.

 

[Nico3110]

Is there something new about the BIOS of this laptop? Is somebody testing 13th gen CPUs with it? For now I can say I run it nearly every day and very often under heavy load and it seems it isn't a big deal for this hardware. Only the power supply is a little bit weak because sometimes it powers itself off and I have to reconnect it... Maybe it is too small and I have to buy the 330W power supply? And the power supply can get very hot!

 

P.S. Thank you all for your efforts on making this machine more powerful and amazing!

[electrosoft]

On 4/24/2023 at 6:05 AM, Nico3110 said:

Is there something new about the BIOS of this laptop? Is somebody testing 13th gen CPUs with it? For now I can say I run it nearly every day and very often under heavy load and it seems it isn't a big deal for this hardware. Only the power supply is a little bit weak because sometimes it powers itself off and I have to reconnect it... Maybe it is too small and I have to buy the 330W power supply? And the power supply can get very hot!

 

P.S. Thank you all for your efforts on making this machine more powerful and amazing!

 

Dunno as @jaybee83 must be in full new wife/child grind.

 

With that type of power off and re-connect it does sound possible. What types of loads are you running and how much pull? There's links in the launch page to 280w and 330w PSUs.

 

I've been busy with work and my desktop so I haven't had the chance to dig into mine like I want. I need to finish tweaking this AMD config before I transplant it into my desktop and then swap my Strix Z690 into my test rig to test some 12900k's I have here and swap between the laptop and desktop. We know it can take a 12900ks (confirmed by @win32asmguy). I'd like to drop a 13th gen in there just to see what it does but those aren't cheap. 🙂

 

 

[1610ftw]

On 3/24/2023 at 12:33 AM, srs2236 said:

Congratulations.

 

You are not the only one with such curious mind.

 

I did similiar upgrade with a Dell laptop going from i7-8th gen 6core to i9-9th gen 8 core.

 

I can swear to god it hardware wise worked, but the software didn't accept it or there was some chipset incompatability as the laptop was stuck in a bootloop.

 

But it's fairly obvious anything can be upgraded and swapped it's just the fact that 99% of the time it is not worth it.

 

Like in your case, why the hell did you pay 404USD to upgrade 8565U to 8665U???

 

Just looking at the part number it looks like the latter just has a slightly higher clock speed and thats it. Makes no sense to me 😂

 

But hey, I understand it from a tinkerer's point of view. Good for you!

 

My question is can I solder a 3080 Ti die on my 3080 MXM card and have it work by changing the VBIOS...🥴

 

You are a crazy person 😄

 

Seems like a waste of a perfectly good card to go from the 3080 to the 3080 Ti. I would probably try to wait for a later model 40xx card instead in order to get something that is actually worth the upgrade - the 4080 or something similar.

 

Edit: Just checked and you will gain maybe 5% in performance going from the 3080 to the 3080Ti so that upgrade definitely won't be worth it, better to gain closer to 50% by going up to the 4080 or similar.

[Nico3110]

Sorry for not answering @electrosoft, I was very busy too. My NH55JNNQ has the i9-12900t as you can read in my signature and when I'm compiling software or better when I'm gaming, the load is 100% and the PSU is very hot. I don't know if the 230W PSU is on it's limit. And I don't think, the PSU is fully utilized when I plug it in; it must have something to do with the starting current, because it only appears while plugging it in. Normally I connect the PSU to my socket and then I connect my Clevo and sometimes the charging LED won't turn on. Therefore I have to reconnect the PSU and everything works just fine... Should I buy the 330W PSU? Is it worth it CPU or GPU performance-vise?

 

Best regards

[electrosoft]

@win32asmguy

 

I finally got a chance to test yours against my original cool hand luke.

 

On the desktop it about as expected with conditions locked and a proper AIO, mine was better under normal conditions.

 

Both running total stock yours was pulling ~20w more than mine (223w vs 243w). With LLC dropped to 1 mine was pulling ~160w and yours 193w. More importantly, yours was consistently running 5-10c+ hotter under all conditions even with a beefy EVGA AIO cooling them down (direct die frame for both).

 

Locked down to ~140w and a -0.100 UV, on paper your chip pulled slightly less but ran hotter. Much of that is masked by the AIO cooling down both easily but it still ran 2-5c hotter on the desktop.

 

In the NH55, yours pulled ~0.971 max at total stock while mine pulled 1.038v

 

But package was only 1w difference (~124w vs 125w) and mine scored ~21500 and yours around 20100 because it just runs hot...so hot. I reapplied nanogrease 3x.

 

Neither CPU is delidded at this point.

 

Either it is just a hot and leaky chip or it has a bad STIM application under the hood. I'm going to delid it and see what that does compared against the desktop and laptop data collected in comparison. If it experiences a 10-15c+ drop in temps, you know it was a bad STIM application which happens.

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@win32asmguy

 

I finally got a chance to test yours against my original cool hand luke.

 

On the desktop it about as expected with conditions locked and a proper AIO, mine was better under normal conditions.

 

Both running total stock yours was pulling ~20w more than mine (223w vs 243w). With LLC dropped to 1 mine was pulling ~160w and yours 193w. More importantly, yours was consistently running 5-10c+ hotter under all conditions even with a beefy EVGA AIO cooling them down (direct die frame for both).

 

Locked down to ~140w and a -0.100 UV, on paper your chip pulled slightly less but ran hotter. Much of that is masked by the AIO cooling down both easily but it still ran 2-5c hotter on the desktop.

 

In the NH55, yours pulled ~0.971 max at total stock while mine pulled 1.038v

 

But package was only 1w difference (~124w vs 125w) and mine scored ~21500 and yours around 20100 because it just runs hot...so hot. I reapplied nanogrease 3x.

 

Neither CPU is delidded at this point.

 

Either it is just a hot and leaky chip or it has a bad STIM application under the hood. I'm going to delid it and see what that does compared against the desktop and laptop data collected in comparison. If it experiences a 10-15c+ drop in temps, you know it was a bad STIM application which happens.

 

Interesting results. I did not expect my 12900K to be that far behind yours, or maybe even ahead at 4.2Ghz all core. I had tested with LLC at 1.1 but in order to get 21,500 it had to be on a cold boot with ambients at 65F or lower.

 

I heard that 14th Gen is coming to LGA1700. Shame that we cannot have compatibility with that via a bios update here. Missed opportunity. Every day I talk to tuners working with these new BGA-only models and it really isn't comparable to what we used to be able to do with modular CPUs.

[jaybee83]

so gaiz, whats happening here? still some NH55 owners around?

 

i just upgraded my lady's machine to a 2x32 GB 3200 mhz Mushkin Redline kit for her bday (not her main present, dont worry haha). wanted to start tuning it soon, see how far i can take it. the previous 2x8 GB 3800 mhz kit maxed out at 3500 mhz in gear 1 and 3800 mhz in gear 2. but might also be related to the IMC of the 12600 shes using.

(if anyone is interested, im currently selling the 3800 sticks, 2 out of 4 left).

 

as for cpu upgrades, lets see what we can do about the upcoming 14900K... 😋

[jaybee83]

On 3/23/2023 at 9:12 PM, electrosoft said:

@jaybee83 and news/progress on Prema for the NH55? I ended up doing as I predicted last year and picked up @win32asmguy's NH55 so wondering where it stands.

 

I plan on testing at least 3 12900k's (including my 160w full load 12900k desktop sipping monster) and sorting out which one is best and delidding it and moving onto some heatsink mods I have in mind.

 

aight, finally found some time to catch up on what ive missed here.

 

welcome to the NH55 club my friend, glad you could join! 🙂 no big updates on the Premamod front, havent done any work since last Nov-ish. as mentioned, i just upgraded my lady's machine with a 2x32 GB kit at quite tight tiimings for 3200 Mhz with 16-18-18-38. so next step would be to check and see how far i can tighten the timings at 3200 mhz and/or how far i can push the clocks. next big modding phase will likely be once 14th gen is out, im optimistic that well be able to make it work on the NH55. but no promises, as usual...

 

On 3/23/2023 at 10:24 PM, Blacky said:

Just wanted to share with you guys that I have managed to succesfully upgrade a soldered laptop. It's a second hand HP Elite X2 G4, with still 3 months of warranty left.

I got with a i7 - 8565U and upgraded it to a i7 - 8665U. The costs in itself doesn't make much sense, but I was curious if it was possible. I specifically wanted something cheap which I didn't mind much if it broke.

The costs:

- brand new CPU from China - about 210 USD including shipping and VAT (150 without shipping and VAT)

- CPU socket mask - about 4 USD including shipping and VAT

- expert repair shop fee for doing the job + 3 months warranty on their work - 190 USD including VAT

Total cost:  404 USD

 

Not sure what to do with the old CPU that I was left with.

 

I felt I needed to share this with you, since I know most of you are here are fond of socketed CPUs. But it seems there is a path to upgrade even for soldered CPUs.

 

 

BLACKY! dude so good to see you here, still remember u as an OG from the NBR days 🙂 nice lil project u got there, congratz on the success! thats the type of user we need here, pushing the limits!

 

On 3/24/2023 at 12:33 AM, srs2236 said:

My question is can I solder a 3080 Ti die on my 3080 MXM card and have it work by changing the VBIOS...🥴

 

just ask brother @Khenglish over in his WTB thread, hes planning to do exactly that lulz:

 

On 4/24/2023 at 12:05 PM, Nico3110 said:

Is there something new about the BIOS of this laptop? Is somebody testing 13th gen CPUs with it? For now I can say I run it nearly every day and very often under heavy load and it seems it isn't a big deal for this hardware. Only the power supply is a little bit weak because sometimes it powers itself off and I have to reconnect it... Maybe it is too small and I have to buy the 330W power supply? And the power supply can get very hot!

 

P.S. Thank you all for your efforts on making this machine more powerful and amazing!

 

hm interesting symptoms ure describing there. might really make sense to upgrade your PSU. best to keep an eye on total wattages ure consuming, i.e. via a wattmetter from the wall socket. then ull have a better idea if its really due to a weak psu. in any case, a psu upgrade wouldnt be THAT expensive, all things considered 🙂 

 

On 4/25/2023 at 8:56 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Dunno as @jaybee83 must be in full new wife/child grind.

 

With that type of power off and re-connect it does sound possible. What types of loads are you running and how much pull? There's links in the launch page to 280w and 330w PSUs.

 

I've been busy with work and my desktop so I haven't had the chance to dig into mine like I want. I need to finish tweaking this AMD config before I transplant it into my desktop and then swap my Strix Z690 into my test rig to test some 12900k's I have here and swap between the laptop and desktop. We know it can take a 12900ks (confirmed by @win32asmguy). I'd like to drop a 13th gen in there just to see what it does but those aren't cheap. 🙂

 

 

 

haha u were right on @full on wife/child grind 😄 finally managing to come up for a bit of air currently....

 

On 6/15/2023 at 4:22 AM, win32asmguy said:

 

Interesting results. I did not expect my 12900K to be that far behind yours, or maybe even ahead at 4.2Ghz all core. I had tested with LLC at 1.1 but in order to get 21,500 it had to be on a cold boot with ambients at 65F or lower.

 

I heard that 14th Gen is coming to LGA1700. Shame that we cannot have compatibility with that via a bios update here. Missed opportunity. Every day I talk to tuners working with these new BGA-only models and it really isn't comparable to what we used to be able to do with modular CPUs.

 

dont count out our machines just yet, being on the same socket is already more than halfway there 😉 

[Nico3110]

Hello,

it is a bit curios. I am using my NH55JNNQ every day and I use the same 230W PSU and it is running without any problem. All problems seem to be gone and I don't know why 😅. But my cheap SATA III Patriot SSD died. At some point it disconnected itself in Windows and then it was gone forever. I can use an USB docking station to copy my data but it isn't working reliable. My laptop is working normally and SATA III is still working. It must be the SSD (and it doesn't seem to be the first case for this SSD in the internet). However: everything is working and I'm still loving my machine. Is there anything new about supporting 13th+ Intel gen? It would be amazing if this machine could support a 14th gen CPU or even a 13th gen...

[jaybee83]

34 minutes ago, Nico3110 said:

Hello,

it is a bit curios. I am using my NH55JNNQ every day and I use the same 230W PSU and it is running without any problem. All problems seem to be gone and I don't know why 😅. But my cheap SATA III Patriot SSD died. At some point it disconnected itself in Windows and then it was gone forever. I can use an USB docking station to copy my data but it isn't working reliable. My laptop is working normally and SATA III is still working. It must be the SSD (and it doesn't seem to be the first case for this SSD in the internet). However: everything is working and I'm still loving my machine. Is there anything new about supporting 13th+ Intel gen? It would be amazing if this machine could support a 14th gen CPU or even a 13th gen...

good thing that ure able to get ur data off of it, thats the most important part!

 

ill definitely try and get 14th gen working with Prema's support, but thats still somewhat in the future...

[Nico3110]

39 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

ill definitely try and get 14th gen working with Prema's support...

But is this possible overall? Shouldn't 14th gen only support DDR5? And what is with socket LGA 1851? I know there is nothing official or do you know a reliable source?

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Nico3110 said:

But is this possible overall? Shouldn't 14th gen only support DDR5? And what is with socket LGA 1851? I know there is nothing official or do you know a reliable source?

 

14th gen was originally supposed to be Arrow Lake, but it was changed to Raptor Lake Refresh with the former now on socket 1851 and with 15th gen designation. RPL-R is still on socket 1700 and will support both DDR5 and DDR4, so very good chance we can make it work on our machines 🙂 

[Nico3110]

On 8/27/2023 at 8:15 PM, jaybee83 said:

RPL-R is still on socket 1700 and will support both DDR5 and DDR4

That are good news! Another question: did you find a way to flash a custom BIOS? I would like to upgrade it to newest  version and maybe unlock some features...

[Nico3110]

Hey guys. Something crazy happened. I've done some benchmarks because I've lost my ThrottleStop settings and I've managed to run my i9-12900T with 224.5 W. I never saw this high wattage before on my machine... What was your highest power draw?

 

[jaybee83]

21 hours ago, Nico3110 said:

That are good news! Another question: did you find a way to flash a custom BIOS? I would like to upgrade it to newest  version and maybe unlock some features...

 

yes and no haha. as you know, im running premamod on my lady's machine, but in order to flash that custom code we needed proper signing. otherwise it would block everything and just result in a brick. sooooo yeah....custom flash is possible but ull need the official signing making it basically a "stock" bios for the system haha. 

 

17 hours ago, Nico3110 said:

Hey guys. Something crazy happened. I've done some benchmarks because I've lost my ThrottleStop settings and I've managed to run my i9-12900T with 224.5 W. I never saw this high wattage before on my machine... What was your highest power draw?

 

 

very nice, good job there bud! iirc i also managed to peak at ~230W, lemme rummage through my screenshot library real quick...

 

edit:

 

actually, nope, maxxed out at 145W! thats impressive, what kinda psu are u sporting? also, can u confirm this via hwinfo64? is it repeatable? u using a different TS version than before? different settings? give us the deetz! haha

[Nico3110]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

sooooo yeah....custom flash is possible but ull need the official signing making it basically a "stock" bios for the system haha. 

And that's the way Prema and you did it? I'm impressed! Is it possible to share your knowledge or a signed BIOS?

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

thats impressive, what kinda psu are u sporting?

Stock 230W PSU.

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

also, can u confirm this via hwinfo64?

Let me try it on Friday. I will let you know the result.

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

is it repeatable?

Kind of. Sometimes ThrottleStop is not fast enough to measure it. But yes, I can repeat this (though it's only a very short peak).

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

u using a different TS version than before? different settings?

Yes. I upgraded to TS 9.6 from 9.4. And I changed my Speed shift setting from (I don't know why it was at this value) 255 to 0. Test/Benchmarks are done with GeekBench 6 and Prime95. Furthermore I've maxed every power limit and it's time. No other settings are possible with the T variant of my CPU...

[jaybee83]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:27 PM, Nico3110 said:

And that's the way Prema and you did it? I'm impressed! Is it possible to share your knowledge or a signed BIOS?

 

well, he cleared the way, really, had to utilized internal contacts so we can get our hands on the signing key. unfortunately, thats not something we can distribute openly 😄 thinking is rather to make the mod itself available to owners of this machine, but that would depend on the rainbow master himself on how to approach this.

 

On 8/30/2023 at 3:27 PM, Nico3110 said:

Stock 230W PSU.

 

Let me try it on Friday. I will let you know the result.

 

Kind of. Sometimes ThrottleStop is not fast enough to measure it. But yes, I can repeat this (though it's only a very short peak).

 

makes sense, with the stock 230W psu only short peaks would be doable. if the CPU alone is already drawing as much wattage as the psu is rated at, then u wouldnt be able to keep that up for long without tripping OCP or OPP haha. thanks for checking 🙂 

 

On 8/30/2023 at 3:27 PM, Nico3110 said:

Yes. I upgraded to TS 9.6 from 9.4. And I changed my Speed shift setting from (I don't know why it was at this value) 255 to 0. Test/Benchmarks are done with GeekBench 6 and Prime95. Furthermore I've maxed every power limit and it's time. No other settings are possible with the T variant of my CPU...

 

cool, sounds good. keep on testing and keep us updated! unfortunately im also somewhat limited with the current 12600 in my lady's machine, K series skus allow way more tweaking.

[electrosoft]

Looks like there *might* be an after market CPU/GPU cooler for the NH55 finally:

 

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805211337886.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

 

[FTW_260]

@electrosoft this custom heatsink is almost a year old, as are custom fans for this model. 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

@electrosoft this custom heatsink is almost a year old, as are custom fans for this model. 

 

Well you shoulda chimed in and said something so I could have updated the launch page sooner! 🤣

 

I haven't had much time to do anything with my X15 from that last delid and install. I didn't even re-adjust the tables for UV or anything so I was dragging it out to start working some more with it and thought, "I wonder if there's a heatsink for this yet if ever?"

 

The great thing is unlike the X170SM/KM heatsink which is plenty beefy on its own so its version of this isn't that much better versus the NH55 OEM heatsink that is rather weak especially the CPU portion which is downright anemic.

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 9/23/2023 at 9:00 AM, electrosoft said:

Looks like there *might* be an after market CPU/GPU cooler for the NH55 finally:

 

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805211337886.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

 

 

On 9/23/2023 at 9:57 AM, FTW_260 said:

@electrosoft this custom heatsink is almost a year old, as are custom fans for this model. 

 

better late than never! hahaha

 

any review data on it yet? with those hybrid air/water coolers im always a bit skeptical as to their air only performance...definitely looks way beefier than the stock cooling though, especially on the cpu side!

 

might be something worthwhile to consider with the upcoming 14900K...

[1610ftw]

On 9/26/2023 at 1:59 PM, jaybee83 said:

 

 

better late than never! hahaha

 

any review data on it yet? with those hybrid air/water coolers im always a bit skeptical as to their air only performance...definitely looks way beefier than the stock cooling though, especially on the cpu side!

 

might be something worthwhile to consider with the upcoming 14900K...

 

Speaking of the 14900K how are chances that it will ever run in the NH55 - is anything in the works to support the latest and greatest from Intel?

[jaybee83]

hey bud, there are definitely plans for that, just havent gotten around to it yet 🙂 

[1610ftw]

46 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

hey bud, there are definitely plans for that, just havent gotten around to it yet 🙂 

 

Would be quite a feat that we have not seen for quite some time so I hope that @Prema will work his magic with Alfred 👍