Jump to content
NotebookTalk

look for rare vbios for P5200 graphics cards


MS-16L13

Recommended Posts

MS01.thumb.jpg.b0c95e7381fb156f6cae77adcd2cf437.jpg

 I have an MS-16L1 machine and about six months ago I replaced it with an HP P5200 C version graphics card. Although it works after flashing in the P5200 Vbios for the DGFF slot from DELL, it causes the miniDP port on the back to fail.
 

 I have tested many vbios so far, for example DELL's 86.04.8a.00.47, 86.04.a2.00.31, 86.04.8a.00.64. All three vbios have a default power consumption of 110W and a base frequency of 1316MHz and an boost frequency of 1569MHz.

 

msi's two models 86.04.8B.00.7A and 86.04.8B.00.25. 160W default power consumption, 1582MHz base core clock frequency, 1759MHz boost frequency

 

HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation 86.04.71.00.16 Default power consumption 150W Base clock frequency 1557MHz boost frequency 1747MHz

 

The original vbios for the HP P5200 are 86.04.84.00.39 and 86.04.a2.00.23, with a default power consumption of 100W and a core base clock frequency of 1240MHz and an boost frequency of 1480MHz. As it is integrated into the bios, I have not been able to find it, and other sites have only extracted the AMD graphics card's vbios file from it.

 

All three of the DELL models work, but cause the DP port to fail, I presume due to the different corresponding channels in the vbios. the MSI one will light up the screen, but installing the driver will just bring it down. the vBIOS of the HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation can only be used through the external screen, the edp internal screen will not light up.

 

The vBIOS of the HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation can only be used through the external screen, the edp internal screen cannot be lit.

 

So I would like to get the lenovo thinkpad P72 P5200 version 86.04.a2.00.19 and the fujitsu Celsius H980 P5200 version 86.04.8B.00.7E

 

It would be great to get this WMXM-P5200E-VO version of the P5200 vbios.

MS02.jpg.fb2f6f9d35baa92e2dc34fc884d5e544.jpg

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

highly interesting thread! maybe also make a collection of P5200 vbios versions to help the community in this regard 🙂 hope someone can help out here with the missing versions ure looking for!

Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (custom TG IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black

 

My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24)
Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

Also interested in the development of this thread. I've been eyeing on getting one of these cards and put it inside a Clevo P177SM. This is very much doable, as this Youtube video shows exactly just that. I think the guy is using the Dell vbios if your initial post is acurate. You don't think somebody can get access to the Prema vbios for the P5200? You can add that one to your list of vbioses to get.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Onehit said:

Also interested in the development of this thread. I've been eyeing on getting one of these cards and put it inside a Clevo P177SM. This is very much doable, as this Youtube video shows exactly just that. I think the guy is using the Dell vbios if your initial post is acurate. You don't think somebody can get access to the Prema vbios for the P5200? You can add that one to your list of vbioses to get.

He had previously communicated with me via email, vbios using DELL86.04.8a.00.47

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Onehit said:

Also interested in the development of this thread. I've been eyeing on getting one of these cards and put it inside a Clevo P177SM. This is very much doable, as this Youtube video shows exactly just that. I think the guy is using the Dell vbios if your initial post is acurate. You don't think somebody can get access to the Prema vbios for the P5200? You can add that one to your list of vbioses to get.

Prema also used the same DELL VBIOS modification that he probably wouldn't have released. The main problem I have now is the lack of DP port output. Also I recommend you check out this article which has a detailed description of the P5200.P5200 ABCD SP

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 4 months later...
On 6/21/2022 at 7:11 PM, MS-16L13 said:

MS01.thumb.jpg.b0c95e7381fb156f6cae77adcd2cf437.jpg

 I have an MS-16L1 machine and about six months ago I replaced it with an HP P5200 C version graphics card. Although it works after flashing in the P5200 Vbios for the DGFF slot from DELL, it causes the miniDP port on the back to fail.
 

 I have tested many vbios so far, for example DELL's 86.04.8a.00.47, 86.04.a2.00.31, 86.04.8a.00.64. All three vbios have a default power consumption of 110W and a base frequency of 1316MHz and an boost frequency of 1569MHz.

 

msi's two models 86.04.8B.00.7A and 86.04.8B.00.25. 160W default power consumption, 1582MHz base core clock frequency, 1759MHz boost frequency

 

HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation 86.04.71.00.16 Default power consumption 150W Base clock frequency 1557MHz boost frequency 1747MHz

 

The original vbios for the HP P5200 are 86.04.84.00.39 and 86.04.a2.00.23, with a default power consumption of 100W and a core base clock frequency of 1240MHz and an boost frequency of 1480MHz. As it is integrated into the bios, I have not been able to find it, and other sites have only extracted the AMD graphics card's vbios file from it.

 

All three of the DELL models work, but cause the DP port to fail, I presume due to the different corresponding channels in the vbios. the MSI one will light up the screen, but installing the driver will just bring it down. the vBIOS of the HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation can only be used through the external screen, the edp internal screen will not light up.

 

The vBIOS of the HP Z VR Backpack G1 Workstation can only be used through the external screen, the edp internal screen cannot be lit.

 

So I would like to get the lenovo thinkpad P72 P5200 version 86.04.a2.00.19 and the fujitsu Celsius H980 P5200 version 86.04.8B.00.7E

 

It would be great to get this WMXM-P5200E-VO version of the P5200 vbios.

MS02.jpg.fb2f6f9d35baa92e2dc34fc884d5e544.jpg

I do have the vBIOS from P53, P73 and P15 Gen 1. I can use the P73 one on my P53 but not the P15 Gen 1 vBIOS. Though you might have better luck with P15 Gen 1. LMK if you are still interested.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 11/24/2022 at 6:33 AM, RMSMajestic said:

I do have the vBIOS from P53, P73 and P15 Gen 1. I can use the P73 one on my P53 but not the P15 Gen 1 vBIOS. Though you might have better luck with P15 Gen 1. LMK if you are still interested.


Could you post them here please ? I also would like to try them out.
(I'm trying different versions because of 100% fan all the time problem on my HP).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am also a MS-16L1 user has also been suffering from P5200 displayport can not output, until one day I tried to use NVIDIA dp firmware upgrade 1.0, although the results show that "This tool is for use with add-in graphics cards only", but my laptop dp interface connected to the monitor can work properly. And as long as I don't shut down or log off everything works fine, playing Cyberpunk 2077 frame rate as usual, and there is no bug.(presumably disable the graphics driver and then enable it, you can also use gpu-z's save vbios button) I hope someone can find a long-term solution.

PRMDIH@[]N}FATKAJP9]K3N.png

$[TQIH~@J@FAU(O6ZU(`P`5.png

CCA2G}VP%R[`[UW6@2SJ[[2.png

  • Thumb Up 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, QQisQQ said:

I am also a MS-16L1 user has also been suffering from P5200 displayport can not output, until one day I tried to use NVIDIA dp firmware upgrade 1.0, although the results show that "This tool is for use with add-in graphics cards only", but my laptop dp interface connected to the monitor can work properly. And as long as I don't shut down or log off everything works fine, playing Cyberpunk 2077 frame rate as usual, and there is no bug.(presumably disable the graphics driver and then enable it, you can also use gpu-z's save vbios button) I hope someone can find a long-term solution.

PRMDIH@[]N}FATKAJP9]K3N.png

$[TQIH~@J@FAU(O6ZU(`P`5.png

CCA2G}VP%R[`[UW6@2SJ[[2.png

so im assuming that shutdown or reboot would revert it to blackscreen? and ud have to run that updater every time?

Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (custom TG IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black

 

My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24)
Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, QQisQQ said:

I am also a MS-16L1 user has also been suffering from P5200 displayport can not output, until one day I tried to use NVIDIA dp firmware upgrade 1.0, although the results show that "This tool is for use with add-in graphics cards only", but my laptop dp interface connected to the monitor can work properly. And as long as I don't shut down or log off everything works fine, playing Cyberpunk 2077 frame rate as usual, and there is no bug.(presumably disable the graphics driver and then enable it, you can also use gpu-z's save vbios button) I hope someone can find a long-term solution.

PRMDIH@[]N}FATKAJP9]K3N.png

$[TQIH~@J@FAU(O6ZU(`P`5.png

CCA2G}VP%R[`[UW6@2SJ[[2.png

This method didn't work on both versions of the CD P5200. I also noticed that you were using the standard version driver instead of the DCH driver, so I also purposely installed the standard version driver to test it. The DP output definition is determined by VB, and the MS-16L3 (Z270 chipset) machine can output DP normally and can display the full hardware ID instead of 8 zeros like the MS-16L1 (Z170 chipset).
I presume that the hardware of the 16L3 machine has reached a certain condition in VB, so it can display the DP and hardware ID normally.16L3 machine also has obvious flaws, it can't use graphics cards below Pascal's core, such as GTX9XXM, below Pascal's core of this generation can't be used normally on 16L3.
Now there are two solutions, the first for the P5200 flash into only HDMI and DP output version 86.04.71.00.16 VB. and then the card to modify the edp-related resistors to make it forced to output edp signal.
The second solution is to find the right VB, Lenovo Toshiba These two brands of laptops have been launched with the P5200 graphics card machine, good luck if one of them will be perfectly compatible with the 16L1. best or to extract the ZBOOK 17G5 native P5200 VB.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...
On 11/29/2022 at 2:56 AM, Mashcar said:


Could you post them here please ? I also would like to try them out.
(I'm trying different versions because of 100% fan all the time problem on my HP).

Sorry I misread things. I thought you meant for the RTX 5000 vBIOS on P53/P73/P15g1/P17g1. As for the P5200, below are the only thing(s) I have

Lenovo_Quadro_P5200_86.04.8B.00.5E.rom Lenovo_Quadro_P5200_86.04.A2.00.19.rom P5200_DELL_M7730.rom P5200_HP_ZVRG1.rom

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 2/16/2023 at 7:45 AM, RMSMajestic said:


Thank you for your help ! I will try out Lenovo's flash, meanwhile I'm trying to pull out HP Zbook 17 G5 vbios for this graphic card. Lenovo and HP have their vbios hidden in uefi flash chip.. and in bios update. If It will work out, I will share it here.
I have MSI vbios, when I will get back from work I will edit my post to add it : )
HP VR Backpack vbios and Dell works on mine mxm Rev. D P5200. Both have displayport and VGA output. VR Backpack don't have internal screen output. Mine is HP 8570w and I don't have muxxer or IGPU in mine - as for MSI 16 video output problem.

EDIT: Adding zip archive with every vBios. Excluding :

HP       86.04.84.00.39       86.04.a2.00.23

Fujitsu 86.04.8B.00.7E
I still hope to have success obtaining them.

Nvidia Quadro P5200 vBIOS collection.zip

 

EDIT2.: With Mobile Pascal Tweaker and external programmer, you can edit MSI vbios to limit it 100w to try them out in your laptop if it works. That what I had done with mine, because this mxm card have limitation to 110W max.
You can read it after you translate on this site: https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10852330

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, Mashcar said:


Thank you for your help ! I will try out Lenovo's flash, meanwhile I'm trying to pull out HP Zbook 17 G5 vbios for this graphic card. Lenovo and HP have their vbios hidden in uefi flash chip.. and in bios update. If It will work out, I will share it here.
I have MSI vbios, when I will get back from work I will edit my post to add it : )
HP VR Backpack vbios and Dell works on mine mxm Rev. D P5200. Both have displayport and VGA output. VR Backpack don't have internal screen output. Mine is HP 8570w and I don't have muxxer or IGPU in mine - as for MSI 16 video output problem.

EDIT: Adding zip archive with every vBios. Excluding :

HP       86.04.84.00.39       86.04.a2.00.23

Fujitsu 86.04.8B.00.7E
I still hope to have success obtaining them.

Nvidia Quadro P5200 vBIOS collection.zip 1.05 MB · 1 download

 

EDIT2.: With Mobile Pascal Tweaker and external programmer, you can edit MSI vbios to limit it 100w to try them out in your laptop if it works. That what I had done with mine, because this mxm card have limitation to 110W max.
You can read it after you translate on this site: https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10852330

Lenovo used to have the vBIOS embedded in BIOS. But it seem to have changed since P70 (there has been successful GTX 1070/ P5000 upgrades). And I can confirm personally that there is a dedicated vBIOS chip on P52/P53 mobo.

 

Though I'm not exactly sure if the discrete vBIOS is used, it's likely that embedded vBIOS in sBIOS is loaded correspondingly with optimus settings. (the fact that  I'm seeing different subsys IDs with this setting changed.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 year later...

Hi. I have MSI GT72 2QE laptop. It came with 980M. I bought Quadro P5200 on aliexpress, revision D. After shaking image, I managed to install drivers on it and now the image is ok. However, GPU clocks are very low, around 200 MHz under load, while in idle they are about 1316 MHz. Gpu-Z shows, thah the card is hitting power limit under load. I use my laptop plugged to the AC, so there is definitely enough power. Can somebody please help me? Also I wonder, in order to flash MSI bios onto this card, do I have to do it via hardware, not nvflash?

20240208_043826.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 2/25/2024 at 2:34 PM, el_delincuente1 said:

Hi. I have MSI GT72 2QE laptop. It came with 980M. I bought Quadro P5200 on aliexpress, revision D. After shaking image, I managed to install drivers on it and now the image is ok. However, GPU clocks are very low, around 200 MHz under load, while in idle they are about 1316 MHz. Gpu-Z shows, thah the card is hitting power limit under load. I use my laptop plugged to the AC, so there is definitely enough power. Can somebody please help me? Also I wonder, in order to flash MSI bios onto this card, do I have to do it via hardware, not nvflash?

 

 

Be careful flashing MSI vbios on that card, that is HP version and it is only rated for 110W max TDP, Msi vBIOS is from different version, rated for 150W (see attachment). You may try to use mobile pascal TDP tweaker, change wattage in vbios and flash it using external programmer. I may had even already uploaded such modded vbios to techpowerup vbios base, in mine HP it worked only with external output, though. It may work correctly for you (your MSI may use muxxer / optimus - iGPU used for internal LCD image, GPU for 3D tasks and external monitors)
You can try newest nvflash, they had made some breakthroughs, when I used it few days ago it worked like charm. Not sure if it can bypass checksum check known as Falcon security.
Can you show how card PCB looks under ? Fortunately you bought most patched D version : )
Cheers!

s-l400.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Mashcar said:

 

Be careful flashing MSI vbios on that card, that is HP version and it is only rated for 110W max TDP, Msi vBIOS is from different version, rated for 150W (see attachment). You may try to use mobile pascal TDP tweaker, change wattage in vbios and flash it using external programmer. I may had even already uploaded such modded vbios to techpowerup vbios base, in mine HP it worked only with external output, though. It may work correctly for you (your MSI may use muxxer / optimus - iGPU used for internal LCD image, GPU for 3D tasks and external monitors)
You can try newest nvflash, they had made some breakthroughs, when I used it few days ago it worked like charm. Not sure if it can bypass checksum check known as Falcon security.
Can you show how card PCB looks under ? Fortunately you bought most patched D version : )
Cheers!

s-l400.jpg

Hi! Thanks for your answer! My MSI laptop doesn't have Optimus, I change igpu and dgpu by pressing a physical button on my topcase. Did you always have to use external monitor or it became a necessity onpy after you tweaked your vbios? To what maximum TDP did you raise it? Can you also please tell me, for which voltage do I need an external programmer? Is it necesserily 1.8V? I tried new nvflashes, but it didn't work for me(

Link to comment
Share on other sites

54 minutes ago, el_delincuente1 said:

Hi! Thanks for your answer! My MSI laptop doesn't have Optimus, I change igpu and dgpu by pressing a physical button on my topcase. Did you always have to use external monitor or it became a necessity onpy after you tweaked your vbios? To what maximum TDP did you raise it? Can you also please tell me, for which voltage do I need an external programmer? Is it necesserily 1.8V? I tried new nvflashes, but it didn't work for me(

Yes, you need low voltage converter if you use CH341. I used both xgecu t48 and ch341 with converter, both works with low voltage chips. Higher voltage may or will fry bios chip.
Btw. What MSI model are you using?
I had to use external because vBIOS programs what connections GPU uses - internal (EDP, LVDS directly or using muxxer or other) and external (HDMI, VGA, DVI, DP and how many of them).  Original 150W TDP limit I decreased to 100W so I could test that vBIOS without overheating/frying card.
And now I remember better, that vBIOS didn't worked for me, I could only post and then I had some weird GPU glitch because it had no compability with my HP. Same was with Lenovo's bios. It may work for you, but remember to not use it with too much power. I recommend reading that topic:


https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10852330
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 2/27/2024 at 4:48 PM, Mashcar said:

Yes, you need low voltage converter if you use CH341. I used both xgecu t48 and ch341 with converter, both works with low voltage chips. Higher voltage may or will fry bios chip.
Btw. What MSI model are you using?
I had to use external because vBIOS programs what connections GPU uses - internal (EDP, LVDS directly or using muxxer or other) and external (HDMI, VGA, DVI, DP and how many of them).  Original 150W TDP limit I decreased to 100W so I could test that vBIOS without overheating/frying card.
And now I remember better, that vBIOS didn't worked for me, I could only post and then I had some weird GPU glitch because it had no compability with my HP. Same was with Lenovo's bios. It may work for you, but remember to not use it with too much power. I recommend reading that topic:


https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv10852330
 

I have MSI GT72 2QE Dominator Pro. It came with 4980HQ and 980M. I wonder if the problems I have, have anything to do with 86.04.8A.00.64 BIOS and Micron memory

gpu-z quadro.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well, I figured with the help that low gpu clocks were caused by lack of battery power. Probably cuz MSI GT72 has that "hybrid power" feature and even though there is plenty of power from AC adapter, the card doesn't understand it and thinks, that it powers from the battery, causing it to drop clocks. When you have both battery and AC adapter, GPU clocks as it should. But I have another problem: under 3D load my laptop crashes cuz of the videocard. I'll run MATS someday and will update you on the situation

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, el_delincuente1 said:

Well, I figured with the help that low gpu clocks were caused by lack of battery power. Probably cuz MSI GT72 has that "hybrid power" feature and even though there is plenty of power from AC adapter, the card doesn't understand it and thinks, that it powers from the battery, causing it to drop clocks. When you have both battery and AC adapter, GPU clocks as it should. But I have another problem: under 3D load my laptop crashes cuz of the videocard. I'll run MATS someday and will update you on the situation


Every laptop will have different behaviour, even from same manufacturer. Depends on EC and power circuit it seems, in mine both cpu and gpu may throttle on battery only, on ac only it works on 100% power. MXM cards are powered straight from charger with 20V, EC controls numbers and how to behave for GPU power circuit controler. Only RTX versions that have additional power connector may behave differently.
Also there are power spikes, battery will provide additional amps so charger won't shutdown. Like power surge. OEMs "abuse" so they can save $$ on overall laptop build.

About 3D loads, you mean BSoD or just crash and freeze ? Can you turn on and off CAPS Lock or Num lock on keyboard when it crashes ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

55 minutes ago, Mashcar said:


Every laptop will have different behaviour, even from same manufacturer. Depends on EC and power circuit it seems, in mine both cpu and gpu may throttle on battery only, on ac only it works on 100% power. MXM cards are powered straight from charger with 20V, EC controls numbers and how to behave for GPU power circuit controler. Only RTX versions that have additional power connector may behave differently.
Also there are power spikes, battery will provide additional amps so charger won't shutdown. Like power surge. OEMs "abuse" so they can save $$ on overall laptop build.

About 3D loads, you mean BSoD or just crash and freeze ? Can you turn on and off CAPS Lock or Num lock on keyboard when it crashes ?

Just freeze and crash sometimes with corrupted sound. Num Lock can sometimes be responsive, but not always. I'm not able to run task manager, only full shut down can help. I ran MODS and it showed PASS. Then I ran Furmark and got artifacts after 1 min of test. After that I ran Hunt Showdown game, it ran smoothly with average gpu clocks around 1300 MHz for half an hour and then the laptop froze. After a reboot, Furmark showed artifacts after 1 minute and everything crashed to black screen. I suspect GPU is dying

Screenshot_20240302-215219_Video Player.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Terms of Use