M4800 Owner's Thread

[KMikhail]

5 hours ago, MELOCODI said:

Where did you find it?

Ebay. I think it was an HP model and by the looks of it, it doesn't require the (not so welcomed) cutting of the M4800 plastic internals.

[KMikhail]

The reason I haven't bought one is: M2200 is several times faster than original K2100, while T1200 is less than 2X faster than M2200 and still has the 4GB, which is a bit low for many applications. A2000 8GB would be much more appreciated.

 

As much as I'm satisfied with M4800 (apart from lack of fast usb/tb/dp/hdmi ports and ssd interface), it is not worth to buy parts that would not be possible to sell later, and will go down with the laptop. Even SATA SSD will bear some value after a few years. MXM video card? Not so much.

[K4sum1]

1 minute ago, KMikhail said:

Even SATA SSD will bear some value after a few years. MXM video card? Not so much.

Seeing how rare and expensive MXM cards are compared to their desktop counterparts, I think it would hold value.

[KMikhail]

4 hours ago, K4sum1 said:

Seeing how rare and expensive MXM cards are compared to their desktop counterparts, I think it would hold value.

 

The fact the price is high doesn't mean anybody will buy @ it. More over, the prices are often widely distributed. I've bought M2200 for $100, when some tried to sell it for $200. Since then (after a year), I've seen it at around $50. How about selling K2100 that's in my drawer and sits there just in case if M2200 fails? What I'm saying is paying $300 (and even $200) for an obsolete, albeit X1.8, graphics performance at some point will make no sense. $300 is a price of 8TB (one of two) that I might consider (to replace my 2+2 RAID1) and this might improve quality of life quite a bit: 1+1 RAID 0 and 7+7 RAID 1 partitions. That's faster than my system SSD and enough storage that will actually hold all of my media, that is otherwise kept on external RAID6 (+back up). 8TB will not be obsolete from a volume prospective for quite some time, only from an interface perspective - but it fits 3.5" HDD slot with a caddy, so it will live long enough to be sold later.

 

Hence, my gist is - nope. One T1000 that's on and off market is not a HP or DELL, but rather something like

 

https://www.aetina.com/products-detail.php?i=425 and those start at thousands as they are marketed for embedded, long-term support applications.

 

I presume it is sold now off the channel, since the initial support has ceased to exist and they are trying to make anything they still can, mostly by probing ebay, since they likely have a gazillion of cards from many, many generations.

 

We got to keep in mind, MXM is compatible mostly with pretty old systems and there's a lot of better and not much more expensive models in between them and what's current on the market. The obsolete models are constantly pushed back.

 

Regards, Mikhail

[Per Astra Ad Deum]

Quick question to the M4800 owners:

Can you make use of the HDMI port on your notebook without there being a dGPU installed?

[MELOCODI]

5 minutes ago, Per Astra Ad Deum said:

Can you make use of the HDMI port on your notebook without there being a dGPU installed?

From what I can tell looking at the motherboard's schematics - it should work 

[Per Astra Ad Deum]

1 minute ago, MELOCODI said:

From what I can tell looking at the motherboard's schematics - it should work 

I assume you're referring to the presence of the mux? But that one isn't user controllable from what I've came to believe. Or is there any way to choose which GPU powers the HDMI port?

[Per Astra Ad Deum]

Regarding the necessity of the dGPU being present to make use of the HDMI and the DP port on the M6800, have a look at these two pictures:

 

 

The first one shows the available GPUs on the OS with Switchable Graphics enabled in the BIOS menu. As you can see, both GPUs are visible, iGPU (Intel) and dGPU (ATI/AMD).

 

The second images shows the same output with Switchable Graphics disabled in the BIOS menu. As you can see here, the option disables the iGPU, not the dGPU!

With this it is safe to assume that the dGPU is a necessity if you want to make use of the HDMI or DP port. What a pity. 😞

Since the M6800 and the M4800 are basically the same platform, I'll assume that this is the same for both notebooks. 😞

[MELOCODI]

I've been looking into some options for a GPU fan but I can't seem to find an adequate solution, has anybody tried to install any custom fans? I've tried to find XN0G5 but price is ridiculous, but I think it will fit nicely with a little bit of hassle.

[K4sum1]

On 5/23/2023 at 11:24 AM, Kitje said:

You'll find it here: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-YjJNVC9NWGR1L3oxSUwxUk5JMlRldz090/overview

 

 

Upon looking up your tag it's saying EDP1.3.

 

If you're still unsure you can check what panel you have installed using HWINFO, then looking up the panel model.

They seem to have removed the view product specs link. How do I access this now?

[Kitje]

11 hours ago, K4sum1 said:

They seem to have removed the view product specs link. How do I access this now?

That's strange it's still there for me and is accessible.

[K4sum1]

Huh I loaded it again and now it's back. Odd.

[Alex]

Does The 4K version of the M4800 can install GTX1050Ti/1650Ti/P2000/T1000/T2000？

 

4K version doesn't have integrated graphics,only works at dGPU mode 

 

I have the M2200M installed now and it works perfectly,

Although it is twice as much performance as the original K2100M,but the GPU performance is still too weak

[nforce4max]

7 hours ago, Alex said:

Does The 4K version of the M4800 can install GTX1050Ti/1650Ti/P2000/T1000/T2000？

 

4K version doesn't have integrated graphics,only works at dGPU mode 

 

I have the M2200M installed now and it works perfectly,

Although it is twice as much performance as the original K2100M,but the GPU performance is still too weak

 

Options are limited beyond the M2200M and they're fairly expensive while requiring some modding. The Quadro T1000 and T2000 are known to work including the HP versions but the heatsink is lacking. I do believe that it is possible to get an RTX 3000 from HP for the Z2 Mini however this is an 80w card and you'll have to mod the heatsink as well desolder one of the rear ports as the card is much wider normal.

 

[MELOCODI]

7 hours ago, nforce4max said:

I do believe that it is possible to get an RTX 3000 from HP for the Z2 Mini however this is an 80w card and you'll have to mod the heatsink as well desolder one of the rear ports as the card is much wider normal.

While I don't have an RTX 3000, I tried to imagine how it would fit inside of M4800 and I would say that it is a much more involved process due to the LVDS/eDP location, it will interfere with it

[nforce4max]

On 12/13/2023 at 12:48 PM, MELOCODI said:

While I don't have an RTX 3000, I tried to imagine how it would fit inside of M4800 and I would say that it is a much more involved process due to the LVDS/eDP location, it will interfere with it

I have the card on hand and it will fit however it does require  some real effort though the display cable isn't going to be a problem aside from removing the clip. What will suck ass is having to remove one of the rear ports and heavily modding the heatsink.

[MELOCODI]

30 minutes ago, nforce4max said:

I have the card on hand and it will fit however it does require  some real effort though the display cable isn't going to be a problem aside from removing the clip. What will suck ass is having to remove one of the rear ports and heavily modding the heatsink.

Damn, I need your dedication to finish up the work on my laptop. 

Well, the biggest issue will be the heatsink I think. Best way to do anything about it will probably be a CNC machine.

[nforce4max]

On 12/15/2023 at 5:18 PM, MELOCODI said:

Damn, I need your dedication to finish up the work on my laptop. 

Well, the biggest issue will be the heatsink I think. Best way to do anything about it will probably be a CNC machine.

I would love to have one of those along with a good pcb printer with a pick an place machine to make my own mxm cards but oh well. There is a little bit of the lower body that has to be trimmed where the two heatsinks meet for alignment but only requires some pliers to break off. 

 

Other than not having an hot air station I only got one of these cards and having to decide between two machines which is to get this upgrade. The other machine is an top spec 7510 and I would have to remove the ethernet port along with a small header on the board then mod the heatsink however boards for this model aren't as disposable as the 4800 should something go wrong.

[MELOCODI]

59 minutes ago, nforce4max said:

I would love to have one of those along with a good pcb printer with a pick an place machine to make my own mxm cards but oh well.

Damn.. imagine having your own supply of MXM GPUs 🤧

[KMikhail]

On 12/12/2023 at 9:33 PM, Alex said:

Does The 4K version of the M4800 can install GTX1050Ti/1650Ti/P2000/T1000/T2000？

 

4K version doesn't have integrated graphics,only works at dGPU mode 

 

I have the M2200M installed now and it works perfectly,

Although it is twice as much performance as the original K2100M,but the GPU performance is still too weak

The hp t1200 I've seen on ebay seemed like a regular size mxm, not requiring pc modding. It has close to 2x performance of m2200. 4gb is disappointing for Txxxx level.

[KMikhail]

Actually, I've taken a closer look of a picture of what is offered as a "HP ZBook 15 Fury G8 NVIDIA RTX T1200 4GB GFX CARD - M76117-001" and... it is really a M2200 image. Even worse quality, than some ebay M2200 images.

[Aaron44126]

1 minute ago, KMikhail said:

Actually, I've taken a closer look of a picture of what is offered as a "HP ZBook 15 Fury G8 NVIDIA RTX T1200 4GB GFX CARD - M76117-001" and... it is really a M2200 image. Even worse quality, than some ebay M2200 images.

 

Indeed, ZBook Fury G8 doesn't use MXM but rather a proprietary form factor GPU card.

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/166104149781)

[zhongze12345]

I have a quick question about mSATA compatability:

 

- What slot would it be in? the WWAN slot below the left fan? Would it be possible to also put one in the 1/2 height slot to the right of the Wifi card?

- And will SSDs with chips in both sides (double sided) work, or will there be clearance issues?

- Will the answers to the above questions be the same for the M6400/M6500 as well?

 

I saw someone say that the mSATA slot was less stable than the regular SATA slot, so I would like to hear experiences from others

 

Many thanks in advance

[Aaron44126]

4 hours ago, zhongze12345 said:

I have a quick question about mSATA compatability:

 

- What slot would it be in? the WWAN slot below the left fan? Would it be possible to also put one in the 1/2 height slot to the right of the Wifi card?

- And will SSDs with chips in both sides (double sided) work, or will there be clearance issues?

- Will the answers to the above questions be the same for the M6400/M6500 as well?

 

I saw someone say that the mSATA slot was less stable than the regular SATA slot, so I would like to hear experiences from others

 

Many thanks in advance

 

I used mSATA in the M4800 for the whole time that I had one with zero problems.  It goes in the WWAN slot.  (There might be an option in the BIOS that you have to check to switch that slot between PCIe mode and SATA mode....  I do not recall, it was there on some older Precisions but I think that this one switches automatically.)  Double-sided should fit fine, there is plenty of clearance.  You cannot put a mSATA drive into another slot.  It has to be hooked up to the chipset SATA controller and only the WWAN slot has that connection; the other slots just offer PCIe and USB connections.  (You could, however, put a WWAN card into one of the other slots, since that uses a PCIe connection... if you could somehow get it to physically fit, or if they make a half-height one.)

 

I have not put an mSATA drive into any systems older than M6700 so I can't say for sure about those older ones.  I do recall people mentioning that there was trouble booting from the mSATA card in the M6500.

[zhongze12345]

Thanks for the info! I will order some and report back as to whether I can get it to boot on an M6500/M6400