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12/7 - I first installed an Intel 11700 (non-K version) CPU that was throttling.

 

12/8 - BIOS was unlocked, and turbo settings were adjusted for max performance. XMP profile 1 was also used for the G.Skill 3000MHz RAM. I will upgrade the RAM in time, but I think it is fine for now. 
 

12/22 - Heatsinks were added to dissipate heat from PCH and CPU VRMs, this helped more than I thought it would. I also added a small one to the 970 evo plus ssd, though I don't believe it was really necessary. This alone is well worth the $8 I spent on them. I was only doing it to see if thermals were a problem and they definitely are. I'm starting to think this machine has alot of potential. 

 

12/23 - Installed the 11700K. I have not yet played with the BIOS settings, but windows was set to max performance. 

Initial impressions of the 11700K compared to the 11700 - It appears to be inhibited due to the lack of cooling ability and potentially power limits, though I have not yet adjusted anything in BIOS. 

 

1/5/23 - Installed heat pipe (6.4mm x 3mm x  200mm) to CPU side. Adjusted settings in ThottleStop and was pleased with the results. 

Pictures where posted below. 

 

1/17/23 - Flashed vBIOS, Undervolted CPU, overclocked GPU, ran Tron script to de-bloat and clean up Windows background apps and scored 11,019 on Time Spy. I also moved the heatsinks around a little, opened up the vents on the bottom cover with a dremel. When things area finalized I will post more pics of it. 


Future plans Install heatpipe to the GPU side, maybe another one on the CPU as well. I am also still trying to get a hold of some TechIngredients Thermal Epoxy. If anyone has some they are willing to part with, please let me know. I am also considering getting a larger power supply. The current one that I have used for all of these benchmarks is only 230W! So there is still room for some optimization, but probably not alot.  

 

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The images posted are of UserBenchmark scores with the 11700 (non-K) and the 11700K, but again, I have not yet adjusted the BIOS, I will do that and try to max it out after I add the heatpipe. I will also add an image of the heatsinks and copper tape that I added to the bottom cover. I also added thermal pads that connect the copper tape to the heatpipes.  


The heatsink are "Geekworm Raspberry Pi Heatsink CPU Cooler 8PCS Copper Heatsinks"

One of my early benchmarks with 11700 (non-k)

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The image below is the highest UserBenchmark achieved with 11700k

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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These are more or less baseline becnhmarks to gauge future improvement, but they also show what's possible with a nearly stock system.

 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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The userbenchmark score for this machine is probably unachievable 😱. I just recently got mine from China and yesterday I swap the Celeron G9505 with an I9 11900 (es version codename: QVYE ). This CPU also consumes 125w and turbos on all cores up to 4.1 Ghz . But the problem is its hot like it gets to 100c  in 2 minutes. The RTX 3070 is also not doing well idles at 60 Celsius and maxed at 90c which by then it will already thermal throttled. Just now I had bought the materials that you mentioned above. Hopefully it can help lower the temps. Right now I'm planning on unlocking the Bios but the Chinese tutorial suggest me to downgrade back to 10.7.04 (I don't understand Chinese but it seemed that way). The bios version 10.7.03 stutters a lot for me right now im using 10.7.13. Any tips on this? BTW what do you think about using liquid metal on this machine?

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I added an additional heatpipe to the CPU heatsink. It was listed as 7mm x 3mm x 200mm (Uxcell brand), but the actual dimensions are 6.42mm x 2.95mm x 200mm. This flat sintered interior copper heatpipe was originally a 5mm diameter tube before it was flattened. I received it as a straight flat heatpipe (as shown in the photo below) and I bent it myself to match the application. I didn't do the best job, but this was only my second time bending a heatpipe and this was a more complex bend than the first one I did. 

In the photos, I show:
1.) What the original heatpipe looked like
2.) How I bent it into the shape I needed
3.) How I attached it with solder
4.) The heatsink installed with the additional heatpipe

5.) UserBenchmark score

6.) Past 5 Geekbench 5 scores (top 4 are with 11700k), top two are with new heatpipe.

7.) Shows temps, highlighting low temps in the low 30's celsius, and also CPU-z benchmark score. 

8.) Bearings that might have worked better than the one I used. I might try one of these next time I need to make a bend like that. 

Pic # 2 The crude device I used to bend the heatpipe could definitely be improved. The idea here is that you want to make sure the radius of the bend is no less than three times the width of the flattened pipe. For a 6.42mm heatpipe, that means the radius of the round object it is bent around should be greater than 19.42mm in order to not compromise its capacity to transfer heat from one side to the other. The way these heatpipes work is through the use of conductive material in combination with evaporative cooling. I will attach additional links for those who wish to learn more about the specifics of how this works. One thing that I did not show here is the template I made for the bend. I mapped out the shape I needed and bent the pipe until is matched the template. Once it was close, I then test fit the heatpipe to the heatsink and made very minor bends by hand to get it just right.

 

     * Edit:  Improvements I could have made: Larger diameter bearing. Possibly one with a groove. I added a pic of something that might work better. 
                 Also, I did kink the heatpipe a little when I made the z-axis bend. If there is any advice on how to do this better, I would like to hear it. 

Pic #3 The fan on this heatsink is not easily separated from the rest of the heatsink (cooling system). The top metal sheet that goes over the fan is either soldered or glued to the fins. In order to protect it from heat, I used heavy duty foil over the fan, loosely to give an air cushion, and then I used a 1mm thick sheet of copper to dissipate heat, but also to distribute the clamping pressure on the existing heatpipes to keep them from separating from the heat. I used 247 low temp (137C) liquid solder and heated it with the combination of a Harbor Freight heatgun and a hot air rework station tool. To ensure that the heatpipes were not getting overheated, I used an IR thermometer to constantly check the temps in the areas around the heated area. I first put the solder down and heated it until it turned shiny. Then I reduced the heat by pulling it further away and added the heatpipe by applying pressure to it and securing it with a metal clamp, and then removed the heat until it cooled. This method worked very well. 

Pic #4 I have not yet secured the cool end to the top of the fan permanently, but I plan to use the thermal glue made by Tech Ingredients. In the meantime I simply used thermal grease between the fan and heatpipe and also added copper tape to the bottom cover to help dissipate the heat. I am very pleased with the results and consider this mod a success. 

If there are benchmark scores that you would like to see, just let me know and I will run them. I do still plan on making more cooling mods. I think I am nearly done with the CPU side so future mods will probably be done to the GPU side. 

 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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The scores I posted are absolutely achievable with the i9 11900. The $8 set of heatsinks and copper tape made a surprising difference to the thermal capacity and the BIOS unlock is fairly simple. I will update the original post with a step-by-step later. That way you can use the 1.07.13 BIOS that came with it. I have been looking for an updated BIOS and even reached out to Clevo, but did not receive a reply from them. 1.07.13 is probably the most up-to-date BIOS and it works fine so probably doesn't need to be updated further. 

As far as liquid metal, I don't feel it is necessary. Lately I have been using phobya nano grease. I switched to that from Thermal Grizzly because of the squeeze out that was happening with a lapped heatsink I was using. I think it was Papusan who recommended that. Keep in mind that was two years ago. It worked so I stuck with it since. On this laptop in particular, the heatsink makes very good contact with the CPU and transfers heat very well. The weak point in the cooling system is in transferring the heat out of the system. This is why I added the heatpipe.  

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Another thing I want to mention as a possible alternative to thermal grease is Indium foil. I have heard good things about it. I might try it on this machine. 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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I just did a little tweaking using ThrottleStop and BIOS settings. And got a better benchmark score on UserBenchmarks. I also took a legit full screenshot showing the time and date with CPU-Z and GPU-Z open. 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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Give it a Timespy and Cinebench R23 run and see how it stacks up.

 

 

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I've been experiencing random high temperatures and thermal throttling as a result and need to figure that out before continuing with this. I might need to resolder or apply more solder to the additional heatpipe. I am also considering another heatpipe on the CPU side before moving on to the GPU side. If anyone has advice on settings for the 11700k in BIOS or through other system management software, please let me know. 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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I did a few different benchmarks and posted the results below. This is with stock settings. I will later try to optimize the system by undervolting and such to see if I can get some improvement. If anyone has helpful advice on what settings I should use, I will appreciate it very much. I might look through the X170KM-G thread to see what everyone there is doing. 
When I looked at the comparison between the time spy scores of my Clevo N960Kx to the Clevo X170KM-g, I realize I still have some work to do, but this is still pretty good considering this laptop only cost me $1,100. I will run these scores again later after I do some further tuning. 


Images in order:

1.) Time Spy score: 10,220 overall, graphics score: 9,990, CPU score: 11755

2.) Geekbench 5: single-core 1,743, multi-core 10,136

3.) Passmark: CPU 25,133, 3D score 19,277

4.) Userbenchmarks: Gaming 133%, Desktop 110%, Workstation 132%

5.) Cinebench R23: Single-core: 1,558, multi-core: 12,914

6.) Showing idle temps 31-33C

 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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I have a feeling I won't be able to improve the benchmarks much more than this with the 230W power supply that came with this laptop. The Clevo X170KM-G comes with a 280W power supply, but owners have upgraded that to 330W or higher. 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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The X170KM-G comes with two 280W power supplies with total of 560W power.

 

Nice job though!

Clevo P775TM1-G:

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GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Laptop (150W,+105MHz Core, +203MHz Mem)

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900KS (5GHz, 4GHz Cache, -100mV, 255A, 200W PL1/2)

RAM: 32 GB (3333MHz, 14-17-17-32, 2x16, Micron rev.E, 1.45v)

Storage 1: Kingston KC3000 2TB RAID0 (2x1TB, NVME, PCI-E 3.0)

Storage 2: Seagate LM015 2TB (2.5, HDD, SATA3)

Storage 3: Integral UltimaPro 512GB (SDXC, 100r/50w, PCI-E)

Display 1: AU Optronics B173ZAN0.10 (4K, 60Hz)

Display 2: ROG STRIX XG17AHP (1080, 240Hz, G-Sync, DP)

Operating system: Windows 11 Pro x64 (22H2)

Lenovo ThinkPad T540p:

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GPU1: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600

GPU2: NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M (+135MHz Core, +339MHz Mem)

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4210M

RAM: 16 GB (1600MHz, 2x8)

Storage: Samsung 860 Pro 256GB (2.5, SSD, SATA3)

Operating system: Windows 11 Pro x64 (22H2)

 

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Wow, I didn't realize...  I guess that makes sense. When I run my setup through a power supply calculator it says to use a 550-600w power supply. I am running on less than half the power of the X170KM-G right now. Next on the list after thermal mods should be a larger power supply, atleast if my system can make use of it. I'm not even sure my motherboard will allow more power than I'm currently providing. 

I have a 330W power supply I can use, but I don't want to cut my stock wiring, so I need to find a jack that can handle the high current without frying. The size is 5.5mm OD, 2.5mm ID. 

 

Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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New and improved benchmark scores!

 

1.) Time Spy score of 11,019
2.)
UserbenchMarks:  141%  110%  141%

3.) Geekbench 5: GPU Compute Scores Top 3 are newest

4.) Geekbench 5: CPU scores, top 2 are more relevant

 

One thing to note is that I was getting very close to 11,000 on several runs, but decided to push the GPU just a llittle more and that got me over 11,000. The thermals on the GPU side actually aren't that bad stock. It's the processor that's putting out so much heat and probably needs one more heat pipe. Although I feel it's possible to push this a bit more and get higher benchmarks, I am please with the results so far. From here I might so a little more on the cooling system, but probably won't push the system this hard with benchmarks moving forward. This laptop has been a pleasant surprise to be honest. 

 

To cleanup backgrounds apps and such, I used Tron script. For undervolting the CPU I used Throttlestop and for overclocking the GPU I used NVIDIA Inspector. I first used MSI Afterburner, but I got much better results using Inspector. I'm not sure why this is the situation, it just is. Maybe someone will be able to shed more light on the reason for this. The reason I ran Tron script was because I was getting random spikes in CPU usage and resulting temps and couldn't figure out what was causing it. Tron fixed the problem and might have even helped me get a better benchmark score. 

 

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Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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To be honest, I do not understand why my laptop performed better with nvidia inspector, all I can say is that I tried MSI Afterburner first and then tried Inspector and for reason unknown to me, the benchmarks were consistently higher with the same clock settings that I used with Afterburner. It is entirely possible that I did something wrong when using Afterburner, and if anyone thinks they might have an answer to this, I would like to hear it because I am curious as well. 

With that said, I was running +220 Clock and +600 Memory when I achieved the most recent benchmark scores (11,019 Time Spy and such). My GPU temps were low with these settings, but when I made them higher the system became unstable. I might try again later with a higher memory clock. During that run, I also undervolted the CPU slightly to keep the temps under 90C. These numbers will vary on everyone's machine, so it's probably pointless to even say the voltage I'm running. What I can say is that I reduced it in increments of only 10mV while running CPU-z benchmark to see where it would perform best. At a certain point of adjusting both the core and cache voltages I found that I was able to achieve a multi-core score of 6,300 in CPU-z, then I ran Geekbench to see if my score improved and it had, so then I focused on the GPU. On the CPU I am also running the cores at 48 across the board for the turbo ratio limits in ThrottleStop. To optimize further I will also later increase these individually on the cores that are running cooler. Where I have it set now, I get 10.2k every run without other apps open. Also, my CPU runs best when the core is undervolted slightly more than the cache voltage, but again, this may be different on your machine and you just have to try it out. 

 

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I am hesitant to share the BIOS here because I don't want anyone blaming me for their bricked laptop, but I do plan on posting a step-by-step of how I did it. 

Laptops:
1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling.
2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress.

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