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Were you able to tune faster memory speeds?

@electrosoft The Asus Duo 16 make an RTX4080 option that has a 165 watt TDP. Just figured I’d mention this as a possible flash option with a SOIC8 clip and hand flasher. Not sure if it’s work, but if it did that’s be a nice boost. UPDATE: Wait never mind. I think your 4080 may be 175 watts already lol

That’s fast! The 4090 laptops do this in normal Timespy graphics score lol.

I took my Supercool Gen13 off today and I lapped the bottom of it with a steel file just like I did on the Supercool Gen12. Temps dropped about 10C easily after lapping it. My Supercool Gen12 was actually performing better than the Gen13 was. Which is why I decided to lap the Gen13 today. It looks like it is outperforming the Gen12 by a tiny bit now. But, I am not really sure by how much it may be as much as 5C cooler, but package temps display maybe 4C better temps. I do not have any of my old screen shots anymore since my 2tb m.2 died on me suddenly, they are scattered across the forums. Temps look great to me though, but so did the Gen12! PS: This is with 15C water temp. 6Ghz P-Cores, 4.8Ghz E-Cores, 5.1Ghz Ring. Temps after R23 run.

Thanks! I received payment. I will ship this off tomorrow.

I still have not been able to get my Gen13 Supercool temps as good as my Gen12 Supercool temps. I did not lap the bottom of the SC Gen 13, but I may do that. The temps are so godly on either setup being Gen12 or Gen13 it hasn’t really bothered me much. @Mr. Fox @Etern4l pump speed is key, but you will hit a point where gains are no more. I run a chiller only with no radiators. So pump speed helps tremendously here, I still have not hit a wall even with (4) D5’s. The reason is because, the chillers have big tubing diameter inside and that flow pressure really drops off with a chiller. The more pressure, the better! But yes you want some good flow with radiator cooling too. (1) single fast pump should be sufficient for any single radiator setup.

SC DD vs EK DD comparison by members. https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-raptor-lake-13900k-13700k-13600k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1799628/post-29150576 Comparisons continue on to the next page with some one else displaying similar results after as well. @Mr. Fox I have a supercool Gen12 you can have it for free. It performs as good or better than a Supercool Gen13 I swapped from this Gen12 to the Gen13 and did not see a difference at all lol. The bottom of that coldplate is already lapped smooth so it free floats perfectly on the 13900K die. Your temps would be insane. I did it right, and it’s a real performer.

Looks like a member on Overclock.net compared the supercool Direct die VS. the EKWB Direct die. Identical settings on a stock 13900K. EKWB DD (63C-84C) water= 24.9C SC DD G13 (58C-73C) water= 26.0C

Still 16GB of VRAM too lol. Someone could actually make use of this machine in creative programs. What does it get in something like port Royal?

That was literally like a $5,000+ dollar laptop back in the day. I had a 7820HK with a GTX1070 Mobile back when they were fresh and top of the line. My laptop was a BGA Aorus 17.3” DTR, I bought it used on eBay for around $1,800 dollars. The CPU was unlocked, and I had that thing running at over 4.7Ghz or so for benching. It was such a beast for being a bga turd book 😂! I also had the GTX1070 Mobile matching nearly stock weaker scoring desktop GTX1080 GPU’s. This machine had a beautiful IPS Pantone color rite x 4K@60Hz panel, during this time period high refresh rate was still not very common or popular and still expensive to own. So, if you got 35-40+ fps in games you were doing pretty darn good, especially on a laptop lol. And this machine absolutely provided a nice 35-60+ fps. I gamed at native 4K with ease. I remember the fire strike graphics score was around 21,000 which for a BGA GTX1070 was phenomenal. I had so much fun on this machine though. Good memories! I know this was no overclocking monster, and it was power limited. But, since it was reliable and smooth while allowing some levels of overclocking and performance functionality I grew to not mind BGA all that much. I do have low expectations for BGA, which I think is the reason why I don’t mind it all that much. But my last bga really left a lasting impression that was just incredible. That thing ran games like a desktop, and never gave me any real problems.

I only enable rebar inside of Nvidia profile inspector, by changing these items. You should see a nice boost to the graphics score. Not sure why we still have to do this. The performance difference in Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2 is insane. I am not quite sure why this is not already done for us.

Looks like a OG MSI Gaming X! Based on picture quality. That’s probably like a 980Ti maybe? @johnksss what kind of Mercedes is that? I always wanted one of the older 2004ish Mercedes AMG models with that supercharger and 550hp. Such great cars.

@Mr. Fox So, I found the issue with the low numbers in 3Dmark Physics and Profile test. It is the Windows power plan that’s causing problems! I put my power mode to balanced and it’s screaming fast!! I know, this doesn’t make sense but I heard this from someone else too. High performance power mode consistently performs poorly. I am #9 in the top 100 Profile test of 13900K, I am #5 with 13900KF, and #9 against 13900KS chips. just getting in the groove here. I haven’t began to get in to condensation territory yet. https://www.3dmark.com/cpu/1087450

I’m about to buy a $4,699 dollar BGA turdbook, and I’m getting the warranty lol. I think it’s like $500? But, I have to be in store to get the warranty. Worth the near 4 hour drive. I plan to do what you’re doing. I’d rather not throw 50-60% of the $4700 in the trash. Also, is that the 1 or 2yr accidental damage protection plan they sell? @johnksss which warranty plan is it?

I did a little adjusting and fine tuning. And it’s just scoring so good right now, tonight I am gonna try and beat up all those 13900KS non ln2 chips in Profile test.

Last night I was benching 3DMark profile test. And the same is true for Timespy physics testing etc. Anyways, First run on profile test and I did not even make it to the top 100 leaderboards LOL. @Mr. Fox had beaten me. I reduced my ring clock from x51 to x48 and the difference was huge. Anyone else experience this with higher ring overclocking, may provide lower physics scores and lower 3DMark Profile test scores too. I saw the same thing with 11900K, but it only happens with physics test or profile testing. 🤷‍♂️

I want to get on that free upgrade train that people are using with them 😃. Unfortunately they only sell that warranty in store, and they are like 3-4 hours away. Gonna have to make the trip.

(1) I would NOT sell on eBay. Forums, or Facebook market place as always. (2) The new machine from Microcenter does not have sales tax. (3) That MSI GT77 was the only one on eBay at the time for sale used. It sold yesterday. There were not really any other options. I did not search through them though. Also, I was planning to use @johnksss Method. Free upgrades when you buy the microcenter in store warranty. You can return the laptop and get a gift card of the items full value with 1-2 years, minus the warranty cost.

It would definitely be a little cheaper with a desktop to upgrade I think. So you’re right there. It looks like this MSI GT77 with a 12th gen Intel and RTX3080Ti fetched $2,550 used. https://www.ebay.com/itm/334758335478?hash=item4df126d3f6:g:WHgAAOSwV0Jj9Rcx&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkGV6mWAoGCx26ntryzSD0KyUBhS4FhvoIULgiiKYr6G6iLXb6k2uSyXBvg7vJFueIPtGkC3fN9cJA3kFLLrQ%2BZXbFLjmvvlBz5yNNnqO1KDsEXIUbl3K7c57EsgI22it31TrKPzHiNviQN%2BukQLPp2kj0KnooS6RJ8e%2FDsIiXgxRbciOXdTSIM3uq6GuxKIJKg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-LU8e7TYQ And to purchase a MSI GT77 with 13th gen and RTX4090 similarly would be $4,699.99. That is a $2,149 dollar out of pocket cost. EXPENSIVE UPGRADE RIGHT THERE!!! But that’s an elite machine too. It would probably make more sense and be a cheaper upgrade with cheaper machines. Like a $2,800-$3,000 dollar laptop would be worth maybe $1,500-$1,800 after 2 years.

Only flushing $50? Pshhh. We wish! 🤣

BGA cannot be upgraded. But, it can be upgraded if you sell the laptop after a few years and just buy another one lol. That’s what you did with your 3090KP and 12900KS (Both items cost similarly to a whole high end gaming laptop) 4090 and 13900K cannot be upgraded either. I’d have to replace them after a few years. Just like a gaming laptop. If I buy a 4090 and a waterblock that’s gonna cost me $1,969 USD. That’s kinda how I’ve been looking at it anyways. I guess if I bought a 4090 and a 13900KS right now that is easily $2,300+ for (2) parts. In which I could nearly buy an entire laptop. Regardless of BGA or desktop, we’d be wasting money on technology that is disposable either way and becomes worthless after a while. It would be the same old rinse and repeat with a laptop as it would be with a desktop.

I don’t see what all the fuss is over BGA. You can get a really decent bga gaming laptop for about $1,000 bucks nowadays. And pretty much the fastest available GPU wise for around $2,750. I know they are not upgradable. But portable gaming machines are just really cool! I would definitely like to see a little more power fed to the GPU’s on these BGA machines. They are still using that Clevo 330 watt brick as the “Max” operating envelope for most of the high end machines. But it’s still cool, with DLSS3 and frame regeneration you can pretty much game on a low end turd and get great performance if the game supports it. It’s kind crazy actually. I don’t think anyone of us could make a big difference in the outcome of future gaming laptops design. I have not bought a BGA PC since 2016-2017 GTX10 series era. They have come a long ways though. Especially with cooling. Many manufacturers are installing Liquid Metal in the factory and using the foam dam around the silicon just like many of us did years ago. Even PS5 uses Liquid Metal. (Which is just crazy to think) Sony is even doing that lol. I will say this though. Since the standardization of high refresh rate displays, and high resolutions. Hardware has become faster than ever! So these new laptops are actually capable of some great performance with decent temps. Something we’ve never seen before. So they have definitely fixed some things and come along ways. The innovation is just making BGA books better, and not really going away though.

Very NICE freaking machine!!! Especially for only $2,500. That’s a great deal! Good news, I discovered you can order most laptops right online directly from Microcenter, and they’ll actually ship it to you. Best of all, (NO SALES TAX!!)🥹 this is really getting down to the wire for me. Anyways, let me know how it games on long sessions.

I’m definitely with you in that regard. But there’s nothing we can really do. It’d be great if we could buy modern high end MXM laptops again.

Thanks, let me know an exact water temp. I was going to compare with the same clocks and see how our direct dies compare to each other.