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I don’t see what all the fuss is over BGA. You can get a really decent bga gaming laptop for about $1,000 bucks nowadays. And pretty much the fastest available GPU wise for around $2,750. I know they are not upgradable. But portable gaming machines are just really cool! I would definitely like to see a little more power fed to the GPU’s on these BGA machines. They are still using that Clevo 330 watt brick as the “Max” operating envelope for most of the high end machines. But it’s still cool, with DLSS3 and frame regeneration you can pretty much game on a low end turd and get great performance if the game supports it. It’s kind crazy actually. I don’t think anyone of us could make a big difference in the outcome of future gaming laptops design. I have not bought a BGA PC since 2016-2017 GTX10 series era. They have come a long ways though. Especially with cooling. Many manufacturers are installing Liquid Metal in the factory and using the foam dam around the silicon just like many of us did years ago. Even PS5 uses Liquid Metal. (Which is just crazy to think) Sony is even doing that lol. I will say this though. Since the standardization of high refresh rate displays, and high resolutions. Hardware has become faster than ever! So these new laptops are actually capable of some great performance with decent temps. Something we’ve never seen before. So they have definitely fixed some things and come along ways. The innovation is just making BGA books better, and not really going away though.

Very NICE freaking machine!!! Especially for only $2,500. That’s a great deal! Good news, I discovered you can order most laptops right online directly from Microcenter, and they’ll actually ship it to you. Best of all, (NO SALES TAX!!)🥹 this is really getting down to the wire for me. Anyways, let me know how it games on long sessions.

I’m definitely with you in that regard. But there’s nothing we can really do. It’d be great if we could buy modern high end MXM laptops again.

Thanks, let me know an exact water temp. I was going to compare with the same clocks and see how our direct dies compare to each other.

Not just yet. I’m still tossing the idea around for a bit. I do want the GT77 Titan though, primarily for the larger Mini LED display and class leading cooling performance. But $4,699 for a laptop is a lot. I am nearing that point of no return though. I want it so bad at this point, I am probably gonna actually buy one. 🥰

I know that the bios does list (4) different GDDR6 support items. That is for the Mobile 4080. I assume the 4090 mobile bios is the same. It supports Hynix, Micron, Samsung, and Other. Whatever (Other) even means lol. Samsung does make GDDR6 24gbps IC’s these would be the ticket. A very ballsy endeavor for sure. 🤣

I know, it’s really silly. That MSI GT77 Titan runs crazy cool too, it really is a beast either way. I watched several reviewers gaming on one and it seemed to hover around 58-68C on the GPU with whatever OEM thermal paste they have applied on it. Samsung also has some new memory recently out. It is not GDDR6X, but it is just normal GDDR6 modules that are actually 24gbps rated, these are downclocked to lower speeds. That would be just nuts to throw those in a laptop LOL. (if they are not already on board) Honestly the factory IC’s on the 4090 mobile may surprise people. I have not found anyone who has really tried to push them to the max. It’s just a shame the unit is capped to 175 watts, and with pushing that memory OC we are really taking away from that power envelope, it definitely has the cooling over head to handle 200 or maybe even 215 watts at the higher end of temps. It would be nice to be able to shunt mod this GPU or trick its power consumption some how. Or better yet, maybe one of these other manufacturers will release a higher power 4090 that we could flash over too.

They are compatible. The bios already supports both. Funny thing is, the GDDR6X modules use less power than GDDR6 modules. The pad layout is identical. People have done this in the past. Typically with desktop graphics cards. For example, the 2080 Super has the new Samsung 18.5gbps modules, and the 2080Ti had the slower 14gbps modules. People would de-solder and swap the 2080 Super IC’s over to a 2080Ti lol. And they could OC that 2080Ti to like 20Gbps. It sounds more crazy than it is. These repair shops will quickly de-solder and re-solder an IC like no bodies business. I have actually found the IC’s for $25 each. This would be something to really consider.

That’s interesting, unfortunately the 4090 mobile does not have GDDR6X. If I do end up with a 4090 laptop, It would be temping to have some one de-solder and re-solder on some better GDDR6X modules on board. With mild overclocking this would be about a 25% jump in bandwidth. This would essentially remove most of the gimp within the card. The cost to do this is actually cheap, coming across the modules is another story. Probably from a broken 3090 maybe. It has 24GB GDDR6X, so I would assume it would have (16) working GDDR6X modules on board. This would really be awesome to do!

So the 4090 has the same GDDR6X memory as the 3090 and 3090Ti?

What is your water temp?

Supercool Gen 13 direct die install “Full length video” No time for leak testing. 😀 In the video I swap out the old Gen 12, for the new Gen 13 supercool! I really love these blocks! They are hard to get your hands on them when they are gone. And EKWB has pushed orders back even further for their very own direct die option that cost like $240+ for the base model, this thing is easily the best option. Especially for only $125 USD shipped. Mine took 19 days for delivery using the slow shipping method. The Gen13 model is longer, and the cold plate fins are literally 50% longer, and about 20% wider.

I use Windows 11 with really good results on my daily work PC. It also benches okay performance wise and the gaming performance is actually really good. The OS just works for me. I know it’s not as fast as some older stripped OS. But, new game requirements have forced us to move on. So there is little we can do sometimes (Especially if you want to play certain titles that force you to be on latest WIN10/11 builds. If you throw some fast hardware at Windows 11 it’s gonna perform great. One more thing, my Windows 11 OS does seem to be really resilient against memory overclocking and crashing/BSOD’s. It has not broken one time. I have most stuff disabled. Like core isolation, Cortana, the MS office items, and some other things I am forgetting. And it runs really well for me. I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

I would take the Z790 Apex over the Z790 Dark. If you asked me a year ago, my answer probably would have been different, but not anymore. The community support and guides and articles on the Apex are pretty nice as well. Re-sale value is also really really good on the Asus enthusiast motherboards (It’s through the roof actually). I use to really like the EVGA motherboards but not as much nowadays. They do take forever and a day to release a product, and when they do it’s going to take them a while to address a potential bios issue, then in 12 months it is worth a fraction lol.

Yep you’re right! Honestly, the Asus Scar 16 with Mini-LED display does sound good right about now, it is a top contender. These are all new devices and freshly released, I’m gonna be thinking hard about which gaming laptop to get over the next 1-2 weeks. It’s an exciting venture. I find it sad that MXM is dead… And when I am actually at a point in my life where I could potentially spend a good chunk on a real dream machine laptop. All of the actual “Dream Machines” are no where to be found.. Man, I remember drooling over building some over the top spec’d out P870 SLI rig years ago. And now 2023 we just don’t have machines like that anymore. I feel like it’s time for a company to make a laptop that uses actual desktop parts. I feel like it could be possible. If you take a 4080 desktop and remove the heat sink and I/O shield it’s tiny! Now we cap it to 200ish watts and put it in a laptop. Anyways, BGA it is. 😁

I have been considering the Asus Scar laptop heavily actually!! It’s a great price too! However, I am really wanting a Mini LED display, I hate backlight bleed from an IPS display, something that is non existent on a Mini LED, it gives that MacBook looking display feel, and makes the machines feel high quality, which is nice after spending thousands of dollars. After owning (2) very high end gaming laptops the thing I hated the most of IPS bleed and glowing corners (My MacBook Air M1 doesn’t have this, it feels quality) lol. The 16” Scar has this Mini LED option, and the 17.3” MSI GT77 Titan too. But $4,799 for a laptop is an OBSURD amount of money for a BGA Book with a massive ACE hanging off the back of it. I mean that GT77 Titan girl has some serious back on her LOL. Kinda like that song “Body like a backroad” well in this case, the MSI Titan has a “Body like a Backhoe” The MSI really has me torn. I feel like it’s the best option. But that price! I’d be buying it from Micro center, so if I didn’t absolutely love it I could return it. @johnksss does Microcenter offer that warranty on laptops too? So I could technically use it for 1 year, return it and get a gift card for $4,799 towards next gen model? 🙃

You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right? Man I can push 32GB to 8,000 C36 on a MSI Z690 motherboard 😂. All with 1.194V SA, 1.4V CPU IMC, and 1.4V TX. Honestly, I really have no need for 64GB or 128GB ram. I’m all for saving money. I just found a similarly equipped machine at Microcenter for $4,699.99. I would swap the ram for 2x16GB 5600 SODIMMS, and just force the 5600 speeds like others are doing. Or better yet, LEAVE IT BE. And just manually set the fastest speeds it can run. https://www.microcenter.com/product/662550/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-028us-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black ^ This is not a bad price at all. I know it’s still a crazy expensive laptop, but it is a fast machine for sure.

What cpu and motherboard?

What kind of laptop and cpu do you have?

Man, that’s terrible. I’d love to find a discount through them somehow or someone. As for the 5600, I have no idea if it can be achieved probably not lol. The 13980HX is supposed to be top tier silicon option though, maybe a good IMC too. It would be a blast to push the memory a little, the options are in the bios to do so. (To an extent) I know that someone ran 2x32GB@5600 on one of these models. But this is really new territory for me all over again. I’m just after a work horse that’ll run for the next 3+ years with really good performance. This machine is a 64GB or 128GB option from most retailers. So the 128GB of ram is not that much more, about $200 extra dollars. Also, if you disable your windows page file and go run a demanding game. You’ll find after a few hours of gaming, more than half of that 128GB will be consumed. Our page file makes 32GB of ram seem acceptable, even though it’s really not. But yes I think, 128GB of ram is really a lot! 😁

Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁

If a spill like that happened to me, I’d dump alcohol all over the card and just blow it off. The cold alcohol will harden all of the LM and it all just pretty much falls off without painting or sticking to the PCB or components.

Getting back in to squeezing everything out of this 3090KP HC, I have my GDDR6X at +1900. 😀 23,302gbps

That’s terrible. I remember hearing some 4090’s sensitive to cold memory. (That seems kinda stupid to me) anyways, I’ve started testing the memory on my 3090KP again. I’ve got +1,800 stable so far I’m games.

If I buy a gaming laptop, it is not replacing my desktop. Raw graphical power wise the mobile 4090 is about 15% faster than a desktop 3090. And the mobile 4090 is only 10% slower than my overclocked desktop 3090. But, if you account for DLSS 3.0, or even heavily ray traces titles, I cannot keep up with a mobile 4090 at all. Even gimped on power, and throttling to the max it’s going to run circles around my desktop 3090KP HC. Plus, the mobile 4090 can be tuned to extract a little more performance as well. If I bought another gaming laptop, this is just to provide flexibility to my life. Not win races, not run super cool, or compete with a desktop 4090 by any means. It would merely be a gaming laptop that is “Fast enough” and competitive with my gaming desktop. The nice thing is, a BGA horse poop patty laptop is easily capable of true 4K60+ in gaming. (That is pretty amazing) this is a first in history. I know the 4090 laptop GPU is pretty much a disgrace. And it is not in anyway shape or form comparable to a real desktop 4090. However, since the desktop 4090 is such an overkill monster, just a fraction of its power in a laptop is good enough!