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I can’t believe we have an Oblivion remastered in 2025 on PC it has RT/FG/DLSS support lol! Just came out today on game pass. I remember struggling to run this one smoothly at 20-30fps with my GeForce 6600GT. I was running 1280x1024.
I ended up beating Oblivion on a ATI X850 Pro that was flashed to an X850XT bios via floppy disc lol.
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4 minutes ago, johnksss said:
Before I can get to shutting it it has to be a good card to work with. And right now it's hard to say as at stock it's pulling 630W
Well, I’d look at undervolting to give you an idea. It could be pulling more just due to a higher default voltage curve and that’s making it seem like it’s using much more power. Is this a PNY RGB OC model? What was wrong with the Trio you got?-
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1 hour ago, johnksss said:
I'm still tripping out on the voltage. it's 1.110V! So a shunt mod would actually do this card justice or an unlocked power mod PNY vbios. I had not seen any other card with a voltage that high before.
That’s really good! Which card is this?
I would absolutely shunt the card. I went with the 1.5 Ohm 3 watt resistor for my FE from mouser. The stock FE has a single 1 ohm resistor, so stacking 1.5 ohm on top will give me 1,050 watts not counting the PCIe slot power. Bitspower may or may not be sending me a GPU block for testing. Fingers crossed.🤞 I’ve been bugging them to death so we’ll see what happens.
The 5090 even shunted is going to chow down 900+ watts even with lower voltages. These cards are throttling hard though man. The biggest issue is the internal clock that is actually running. The cards are reflecting a higher clock speed externally, but it’s really running much slower than that effectively. It’s like a rubber band effect to prevent crashing due to power limits. So shunting will eliminate this entirely!
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19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
So the PNY Epic-X Overclocked ARGB 5090 at $3399 now costs more than the Astral at $3359??
Hmmmm, I will have to watch a review on it. I have no idea what the game or premise is about.
Well yeah, if you're pushing clocks a crash is obvious but the idea is to be able to recover without a hard reset which I've found to be the case with 576.02.
Maybe things will change when I actually start pushing voltages and power limits vs everything now being at stock power config? Dunno....
My last driver 572.83 definitely needed a hard reset to recover from.
@Papusan Bitspower blocks will be here next month!
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I haven’t seen any issues with the latest drivers. I use my PC for 8 hours a day a least. I’m not sure what the deal is. Latest driver seems fine, it reduced idle clocks even further down to 22Mhz from 180Mhz. I’m not really checking any fps differences in games, maybe I should I suppose. I saw a slight improvement in Steel Nomad. Card can still reach max 1075mv. Temps sensor seems to work okay as well. I have never experienced black screens, if I add like +475 you will get a black screen from a crash. But other than that the drivers seem perfectly fine.
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23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
That will be helpful for the fragile petite power cables as well. Those slim cables are just so darned cute... especially the RGB type. If you choose red you won't even notice when the fire starts.
If my baby 5090 is okay at 600w. 5080 are probably more than okay at 450w should be a walk in the park.
XOC 5090 is a mine field though. 5090 XOC= Shunt mod + Chilled water. These cards are going to draw some serious power from that dinky cable. Running this daily nonchalant like would be terrifying I think. I would give cables a 1 plug life span to avoid cable debris. Maybe even run one of those 4x8 pin to 12 pin cables.
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3 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
Well, this answers the question 😞
Strike 2....
Well, that does not necessarily mean other 5080/5090 bios cannot work on the FE though, I do not think anyone has tried to flash theirs. Flashing the 5080FE would be beneficial though. You can pick-up 90 more wattsies.-
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37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
Is the 5090 FE capable of flashing other vBIOSes?
Nvflashk from Kefi works just fine on 50 series but that was just re-flashing my original bios back on. I have an Astral bios I may give it a try. I just hate to brick the card over being dumb. I do not see why it would not work. And worst-case scenario I would have to flash blindly flash back to my original. "I think so anyways" It is so nerve racking doing this though.
If you flash your 5080FE to Astral let me know if it works. 😁
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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:
Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there.
Office is looking clean and organized!
Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325.
Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣)
Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣
Ugh, as much as I want to see the FE on water It is going to pain me to see it dismantled from its stock, factory fresh beauty feat of engineering lol.....
Can the FE's cross flash vBIOS? If so, that and a block will really let it fly....
2nm Intel does get me jonsin' for it so we shall see.
I am not sure. But I don’t think we have any XOC bios yet anyways to make flashing viable. Shunt mod is the only option right now for all 5090’s since we’re all capped at 600. Flashing would provide a factory overclock at least.-
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4 hours ago, Papusan said:
Also Nvidia play the silicon lottery for their new graphics cards... Isn't it nice?
Some RTX 5070 Ti are arriving with overclocked SK Hynix GDDR7 modules, they are 24 Gbps modules
Unless SK Hynix has 28 Gbps modules exclusively for NVIDIA and hasn't said anything, what we're seeing is that these modules come with a higher capacity as standard. Specifically, those 24 Gbps correspond to 1,500 MHz , but NVIDIA certifies 1,750 MHz on all its models , which implies a 250 MHz gap to be offset.
That is why it is understandable that the Greens have implemented a limit on the overclocking of all models through BIOS and drivers, since the maximum that Huang's team allows is +375 MHz over the stock 1,750 MHz.
If true, SK Hynix's RTX 5070 Ti GDDR7 graphics cards are extremely tight out of the box, well above the specification they were built for
And Intel has to rely on tech from Asia. They simply can't fix it by themself. I expect their own foundry will be for Jokebooks and server chips. Nice.
Intel has reportedly placed an order with TSMC to create 2nm Tiles dedicated to its new Nova Lake gaming CPUs.
Taiwanese giant TSMC is ready to fire up the 2-nanometer machine in the second half of the year, and it's going to do so with some really big clients. A leak has just arrived from Taiwan itself that suggests something..
I’m excited to see this new Intel 2NM TSMC node. I’m even more excited to watercooling this 5090FE. I’m waiting for EKWB blocks to be in stock. I hope Intel can pull it off and make a beast of a gaming chip. Would be even better if they socketed right in to existing Z890 motherboards since barely any of them have sold and prices have fallen a good bit.
Confirmed that Bitspower is making a waterblock for the 5090FE as well. in March 2025 they said release will be in 1-2 months. So, I think I would rather have a Bitspower block if I had a choice between them and EKWB.
Bitspower is also making a waterblock for the Astral 5090 and TUF 5090.
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49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
I finally got around to running this. Stock GPU, 4K and Ultra Preset:
Looks like a 33% improvement to me.
Also check this out! I have my Dual D5 basement water temp sensor, Dual D5 Distro water temp sensor, and the internal case air temp of the Lian Li V3000+ Plus (Sensor is right below the 5090FE). Everything is on a silent PWM profile including the Pumps, and rad fans/case fans. And with the two 480mm HWlab GTX rads, my water is 1c above case ambient which is pretty good, I think. I am going to be monitoring that ambient case temp more under a load to see how hot it gets inside my PC case. 🙂
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13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
It is a small office and I always keep the door open. It is even by the blower/intake but I found the 3090 was ok. 3090ti was not as it tipped over that point where the open door could keep it cool. I think somewhere in this thread I even noted the potential issue of the 5090 turning my computer room into a sauna seeing as the 3090ti already did it and it was pulling ~500w max.
Crazy as I was playing watching the temp on my wall clock just keep climbing lol.
4090 was perfect as it always came in under 500w unless benching even pushed in WoW.
5080 FE obviously is even better never going above ~325w in WoW.
It was only ~80f outside today. This will be unsustainable in the summer where it will routinely be 90f+ daily and in the 80's at night.
The one good thing with a good overclock is better lows even with fps capped to 144 to keep temps down but sheesh.
Even the CPU temps went up. When the room stays around 70f, CPU temps are in the high 50s but with the room hitting 83f+ it was hitting ~65c.
First World Problems.... 🤣
Man. I hate that when a room warms up. I’m so glad I don’t have this issue. So I’m genuinely sorry about your first world problems, but it is a real concern. People have this issue with water chillers which is why they have to be in an open area. The 5090 is probably the tipping point for your space there I mean it’s a power sucking monster. It’ll probably only get worse when it gets warmer outside. I was worried about that when I was running a chiller when we moved, which was why I went with an open office setup, and fortunately nothing can heat my office up past the usual home temp of 68-72f range. The setup works and it stays cool like the rest of the house does. Accept for my son’s room which will get warm fast, if he had a 5090 in there he would probably die of a heat stroke, his 3090 running stock would push water to beyond 40c and his PC would not stop crashing. Now I’ve undervolted his 3090 and it’s helped a little, I also had to put a small fan by his rooms A/C vent to help cool it down in there.I know it might be crazy pulling apart such an expensive GPU like the Astral, I feel the same way about my little FE, so you’re gonna have to knock a wall down in your house, this is the way (Kidding). But you may just fix your problem if you water cool it. But I know that’s a hard decision on a $3,600 dollar graphics card. You’ve already got a good case to house such equipment in though. Single 360/420 would do the trick. Maybe cool the CPU as well just because. 83f is pretty toasty room temp!
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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:
NOTE: This was playing completely uncapped as I was searching for a GPU Util >=99% spot while playing. If I cap it back to 140fps, all these # will drop accordingly while also boosting lows OC'd.
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And as we start to head into the warmer months (and it is going to get MUCH warmer), my biggest fear (and previous downfall) is ambient temps in a small computer room with a portable furnace pumping out 550w+ of heat.....
I had this problem with the KP3090ti when it was pulling ~500w playing WoW OC'd and now here we are with 600w. It was one of the factors of why I sold it off as it was basically unusable as is in the summer and I had to UV it to make the room usable.
4090 ran cool enough with a UV that the room would usually only heat up maybe ~5c tops overall as the heat output equalized with the cool air exchange via the door to keep it relatively even.
Room started at 68f and less than a few hours room was 84f and climbing playing WoW which causes the GPU and other components to heat up lol....Every once in awhile the central AC would kick on and push it back a degree or two but then it turned off because the rest of the house wasn't roasting on Satan's arse.....
When I stopped playing within ~30min it had dropped down to 73c and falling....
Stepping out of the room into the rest of the house is like stepping from outdoors on a warm to hot day into AC....
This was not a problem with the 5080 FE obviously as it ran cooler than even the 4090.
This is less than two hours of WoW +3000/+350 no PL/V adjustments and the room is flat out toasty and yes the door is WIDE open.
If I have to apply a major UV just so my computer room doesn't go KABOOM! What's the point?
Wonder if I can find a device that will fan my door back and forth? 🤣
Is your PC in a bedroom? It’s going to cook in there. My son had this issue with just a RTX 3090 FE. His water temp reached over 40c on his 360MM NZXT AIO while the CPU was practically idling along. His bedroom would be literally cooking. 3090FE is running cool at 68c, but his bedroom would be boiling. I undervolted the 3090FE, which helped. But I think it’s just the issue of running the system in a closed room especially a 5090.
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I picked up one of these amperage meters to test load balancing on my 5090FE. I’m seriously curious too! I wish I’d have done this on my 4090 for comparison.
The photo below is not mine but off of Reddit.
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2 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm....
I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff"
That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......
Some cannot do it unfortunately. I have seen it is mostly common on Gigabyte models for some reason.-
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7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:
function over form! 😄 first and foremost, i got the Suprim because of its superior cooling, the sleek non-gamery looks only came in second 😛
but yeah, as i said before: when spending this ridonkulous amount of money, i make sure i get what i actually want, and not just "anything that is currently available".
I think I just got lucky with my sample (95c is absolutely nuts for a 5090FE). This is after an hour playing at 4K+200% resolution scale, in a closed case, so 8K resolution with auto fans. It is pegged at 575+ watts, and it does not go past 49% fan speed. My case is fantastic though.
(No undervolting, no tuning and it is pure insane for a 2 slot GPU)
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This is with voltage slider turned up and power limit at 104%. So 3,270Mhz at 64c. I think these things on water and shunt mod would be absolute rippers.
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11 minutes ago, Papusan said:
People are sick of the prices. $3000+ for graphics cards (you don't use it for work) is awful. Of course 2000$ cards from Nvidia is tempting. And Nvidia know it. The perfect price point for futher scalping (move cards over to China).
Yeah it’s ridiculous. They need to make more of them. I’d give in too just like anyone else would and I’d also own an Astral lol. I think it’s what we would all end up with if given the choice to spend over 3K. I think prices in the US are even worse than your pricing and that’s a first right? I think I’m going to be watercooling my 5090. I hope EKWB does not fail us with the FE block. I have not seen anyone with one just yet. But I’m waiting.-
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2 hours ago, electrosoft said:
That is EXACTLY what I told him to do! 🤣 but he doesn't like the idea of having extended downtime looking for an Astral at MSRP with current market conditions. If you find someone who wants to trade an Astral (either model) for a 5090 FE, let me know. I can't think of anyone who would want to do that seeing as the Astral is superior across the board except in price, but you never know.
BB did have a drop on the 17th of 5080 FE and 5090 FE and people did get the call for VPA this last week as noted before so they're back to dropping them so that's a good sign. Glad to see BB back in the loop too so they're pumping them out.
If I was him I would sell that coil whine monster for $3.5k and wait for an Astral to drop to snag it.
The fact the FE's sell for $3.5k isn't because they're an FE. It is because ALL 5090's command at least that much regardless of model.
Scary to think they used to sell for $6k+ at one point. Shows the market is still normalizing.
@electrosoft You might be under Asus’s ROG spell. He would have to be nuts to fork over a 5090FE and $1,400 for an Astral. I think 99% of Astral owners cannot buy a FE for $1,999 so they go this route > (I’m already getting hosed at $2,900+ for a Ventus so let me just get hosed for $3,359 on the Astral INSTEAD)
All I know is this..I would not pay + anything over my FE for an Astral unless It was the only option @electrosoft you should steer this guy straight he should keep his 5090FE and learn to love it. Or maybe just trade him.. You could literally swap with this guy and build an entire custom loop inside a brand new anything case you wanted and fold your own Astral with the ultra silent watercooled FE 🫠. Of course the Astral runs higher clocks right now, it’s the size of a bus man. Add a block to both the FE and the Astral and what are the benefits of the Astral….
I mean, I can run CB2077 RT+PT with nice clocks of 3,075Mhz@550 watts even with a higher core temp of 72c, and with rasterized games that are like Unigine heaven typically I can push as high as 3.2Ghz@64c.
Below are some examples of my FE. Worst case scenario is Ray Tracing with Path Tracing auto fan 72c@3,075Mhz@550 watts. Better case scenario is faster fan speed and 3.2Ghz in rasterized gaming scenario. That’s a +425 offset on the core in Unigine Haven 4K. The thing clocks to the moon, it’s just waiting for temp algorithm to be in its favor. 😁
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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:
@tps3443 I had a chance to really push my guildie's 5090 FE and that thing just does not respond well (as it shouldn't) to any real OC/D2D/low noise profiles. Heat and pull had it sitting sub 3.1ghz and routinely under 3ghz even gaming making it more of a UV king than an OC card. We ended up with a curve of .0925 and about 2875mhz +3000 when finished on his FE that, in his words, "wow, I didn't realize it could run this much quieter when gaming." Temps were still hitting about 72c but the noise had dropped dramatically. Of course less fan noise means any coil whine really will present itself front and center...
Astral will sit at +3000 3150-3250 all day gaming, fans at sub 50% temps at sub 66 all day everyday....
....This is the way.
Oh and as I had to tell him after a few runs/tests and a few protests from him, "No my good sir, THAT is coil whine and a healthy amount of it too!" His 5090 FE has that seesaw coil whine that is immediate return/resell levels. When it squealed on GT2 I had him pull up up Deus Ex MD benchmark to run and it sounded like someone was trying to mug it in an alleyway. He isn't phased by the coil whine at all though.
Him "So I take it you don't want to trade +1400?"
Me "I think we both know the answer to that"
Him "I don't really think the coil whine is bad. I don't really hear it."
Me "Well, we're both not spring chickens so maybe your hearing is going"
Him "Eh? What did you say?" (Mockingly holding hand up to ear)
(Followed by about 2 minutes of continuous laughter)
If he wants an Astral, I would just tell your buddy to sell his 5090FE and go buy an Astral, he doesn’t need yours. He can get $3,500 for his FE no problem. The market on these FE’s has gone up substantially on eBay. And he would not have to add any money at all. And even if he could not find an MSRP Astral, he has $1,400 he’s trying to add, so he can just go buy one of the $4,399 dollar Scalper Astrals on eBay and add much less cash.
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7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:
i started off with bone stock testing to get a feel of the card first, i.e. no voltage or PL adjustments whatsoever.
+3000 / 34Gbps on vRAM is still stable, and i think ive hit a stability wall at +375 on the core. anything above that, i.e. +380 and the system locks up during stress tests after about 10-15 min.
depending on the load and resolution im getting anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ Mhz on the core under load. max core temps always go to 68C, with fans adjusting accordingly and PL always maxed out, bouncing off the 600W limit. i sometimes see it go up to 610W or so, but the 600W limit is pretty hard nonetheless.
core voltages are again dependent on the type of load, max. im seeing at idle / light loads is 1.025V with min under load around 0.950V, im guessing i got a very non-leaky silicon that has low peak voltage. ive seen other spike up to 1.09 or so.
in conclusion, the 5090 is hopelessly power-starved and in desperate need of a 1kW vbios...
ive got two more stability sessions to go through before i call +375/+3000 stable enough for D2D. any fine adjustments / corrections in specific games notwithstanding, that is. after that ill go through my benchmark suite once more to check and see what kinda uplifts im seeing vs. 5090 stock / 4090 OC / 4090 stock.
oh btw, i HAVE heard some coil whine now! 😄 that was in titanfall 2 at 1080p and 600+ FPS 🤣 but even then its very slight, totally wouldnt hear it when gaming with headphones on. so nothing to worry about really.
as for ebay, ive also been selling there for 23 years now. the experiences are pretty much the same as yours, theres always gonna be a few hiccups / idiots here and there but overall ive always come out pretty solid.
the ebay fees also arent so bad, at least not here. they are dependend on where the sale goes to, i.e. national sales are free (no fees whatsoever), inside the EU there are fees but still quite low and only when i sell outside the EU the fees go up to "standard" levels, so to say. however, im fine with that, since the overall customer audience / geographical reach is just without competition.
Flash the Astral bios to your Suprim and see if anything changes with load voltages. It’s good you can run +3,000 though. Some 5090’s cannot run that. Also, these cards do see transient spikes of like 800+ watts in power draw. But yeah they are just a little power limited for heavy OC in power virus applications, but honestly I think it’s just as efficient as my 4090 was, when I run my 5090FE stock the power draw is pretty low in my games in 4K. I haven’t come across any games yet that are bouncing off 600w.If I undervolt it, it stays extremely low on power consumption. My 5090 stays low on voltage too, even lower than yours. 😃 But I love it because it barely uses power. And the default 575w is more than enough for 4K gaming for me (Even without undervolting)
3 hours ago, johnksss said:Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.
Congratulations! You’ve got the same GPU as @win32asmguy-
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5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
I think $999.99 for the 5080 FE is more than reasonable for a few reasons:
More performance than 4080 Super
More features than the 4080 Super
Same price even with inflation
In the Nvidia stack, like I keep saying, you're either getting better performance/features, better pricing or both with Nvidia this time around across their entire stack except the 5090 which got hit with a 25% increase in price. It should have been $1699.99 MSRP but it is what it is.
Personally, the sweet spot this time around is the 5070ti super @msrp. Cheaper ($750 vs $800) and with an actual noticeable performance boost vs the 5070 vs 4070 Super.
Best price:performance @msrp is clearly the 9070xt.
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I was going to test it on the desktop I was building out on the Z690 but the 12900k died on me so now it is in a holding pattern atm. I have the vial in my thermal paste jar ready for testing though.
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Swapped the Astral back in for ~13 more days of eval on keeping it. Rerouted the wires from the top like I used to keep it with my MSI 4090 Suprim Liquid and replaced the white sag bracket with a black one I had. That white one was nails on a chalkboard.
Time to put the fans back in and put doors on 😂. I’d be tempted to run that Astral in a vertical position as well. Also, time for custom loop as well. You one need (1) HWlab GTX, and fans on one side. You can make it very quiet. I run mine super quiet. But I see why you don’t run a loop. With 9800X3D/9950X3D it seems like we can get peak performance with a fanless rock resting on it lol.-
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16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.
I think realworld the RTX 5080 for the FE price of $1,000 it is reasonable, it’s a lot cheaper than a 4090 after all. You can OC them and yield some good numbers from them as well. The OC headroom is gonna make that thing a crusher in games. I think the nvidia features are good. DLSS+FG are really good tools, that boost performance even further.
I think on paper the 9070XT seems great. But real world, when we turn on DLSS/RT/Frame Gen etc. The 5080 is going to do abnormally well.
Also, I lapped the IHS of my Xeon 3175x last night lol. Stayed up until 3:30am working on it. Hard tube really ain’t all that bad. I can pull the block pretty quick. I had to clean the cold plate. It was clogged from previous owner. Reassembled, full loop passed leak test on first try. I dropped 10c CPU temps. And picked up 50L/H in flow rate.
@electrosoft and @Clamibot the Coolermaster CryoFuze Thermalpaste is literally Thermalright TFX. Kinda tough to spread, but insanely good temp results. I’m not sure how well this will work on direct die situations. But it’ll peel up on you if you’re spreading and don’t apply enough pressure on the spatula when spreading. For the money, the stuff works VERY well. Once you spread it, you’ll be like YUP that’s Thermalright TFX but it’s really not too bad to spread. The performance results are definitely worth it!
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18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
When you convince yourself a $2k consumer game/fun GPU is value.... 🤣
I prefer the term, "the least rip off" 🤑
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"the lesser evil"
Take your pick. 🙂
It reminds me when car shopping. After a certain price point, it all blurs because NOTHING is a good deal and it becomes just getting what you want.
What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔
Well, when we compare $2,000 vs $3,500 or $1,000 vs $1,650 that’s not like a lesser evil. That’s like not having an extra hole put in your ass. 🤣
I’d rather overpay for a 5090 than overpay for a 5080 all day. I think we all agree with this.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
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I really wanted my whole system to be watercooled when I was building this rig and I had kinda prepped with the 4090. We just don’t have any blocks yet for FE models. So, I had already ordered my Fujipoly fullcover rear thermal pad (Originally for the 4090 never used it) but now I’ve ordered some shunts, but I can’t add any of these items until I get a waterblock. FE blocks are taking a little longer than the other models, but they’re coming. I’m really curious what the Bitspower block will even look like.