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7 minutes ago, Papusan said:
Our old friend F. Azor continue as he did in Dell Alienware. Not much have changed from that man. But he is right in one thing...There is market for
8GB graphics cardstrash. No in hell people should pay $300 and upwards for 8GB cards in 2025.AMD defends RX 9060 XT 8GB, says majority of gamers have no use for more VRAM
It’s very possible that the majority of PC gamers, install a game and simply play it. They won’t even change their default graphic settings. And they don’t even care. I was the one to teach my own son. But I remember when he’d install a brand-new game. He couldn’t care less about his graphics, or his frame rate. He would just be so excited to play the game that it didn’t matter. The 9060XT 8GB is the “On/Off Switch for PC gamers”Option A: No graphics card, (Cannot play games at all)
Option B: I have a 9060XT, I can actually play games now.🙂
They wanna force an upgrade out of em down the road too! 😂
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2 hours ago, Papusan said:
Crying after mama🙂 Please close the damn chassis door. And undervolt me.
Oh my goodness!
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8 minutes ago, Papusan said:
As expected. MSI take an Asus. But not a Lighning card. But still with Gold coating to try increase profits further. How much will MSI lift the prices above the vanilla Suprim? $500 ?
MSI unveils GeForce RTX 5090 SUPRIM TITANIUM EDITION
Why does it look so bad? For some
reason when I zoom in, it looks like a 8 year old spray painted this thing.
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14 hours ago, Reciever said:
I'll do some more testing tomorrow to see where my memory tops off
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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:
Yeah, I was ready to slurp up all that headroom on the 5080FE then Nvidia said, "Nope."
Quite frankly, I shouldn't have to shunt a card to get it to open up when an XOC vBIOS is available for non FE cards but I do understand the reasons. I also understand it will eventually leak. 🙂
imho, 9070xt and 5070ti at MSRP are the ultra banger spots this generation. USA is lagging, but other countries are already getting close to MSRP on a lot of their cards.
5080FE is a banger for $999.
If the 5090FE had 100% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it would be a banger for $1999.
If the Astral 5090 had a 150% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it too would be a banger 🤑🤣
Pick your poison....
1,2 or 4 shunts. In for penny, in for a pound!
Another YT'er who is being assaulted with the 5090 FE coil whine / electronics noise to the point he might switch back to his 4090. You gotta put yours under 200fps+ and put the phone up next to it for us to hear. I know it's possible as my 5080FE was dead quiet.
If you swap from a glass panel to a mesh panel this is what happens. Sound travels with the air. Every 5090 has some level coil whine. That’s just what it is. Astrals, FE’s, the list goes on.
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45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
5080 Astral OC beating a stock 4090. Still no excuse compared to the 4080 flat out beating the 3090ti though.
My results right out of the gate had the 5080FE within spitting distance of my MSI Liquid 4090 in WoW (~125fps vs 135fps) and the 4090 was overclocked in that scenario.
This is a good overall 5080 vs 9070xt vs 7900xtx stock and OC'd video. I'm really liking this guy's work since he was in the sub 5k range subs.
7900xtx is still a beast of a card.....
He likes Asus but readily says the pricing is bonkers.
If the 5080FE wasn’t power limited it would help its case for sure. I have no problem taking on “Non flashed/Non shunted” 5090 Astrals with my 5090FE in Steel Nomad or other benches. But it is unfortunate for the 5080FE. Still a good card for $999 for FE. But, that 360w VS. 450w is a clear 25% less TGP disadvantage.
Another thing about the 5080 that sucks, is how the die is laid out it has (4) shunts. So you would have to solder on (4) shunts to power mod it 😂
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26 minutes ago, Papusan said:
Just wait. The Chinese will put all work into making the 5090FE work with 48GB vram. And they will hack the firmware/make custom nvflash that will work. Some will do it. Be you sure. Maybe with xx60 series we will see the same also for all AIB cards (you are stuck with what you bought). We already see some of it today (problems cross-flash some of the AIB cards).
@electrosoft I don’t think he is big on flashing otherwise he’d be running that Giga Chad bios on his Astral from Gigabyte, and he’s on stock Astral bios. He just likes dog’n on the ole FE. 🤣
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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:
As soon as this happens I will be ready.
I’ve had great luck with them. Like many others. My 2080Ti FE was 2080Ti HOF fast. Me personally, I don’t care what it is so long as you can make it fast, a GPU is a GPU. Many golden 4090’s were in the form of FE. motivman had a crazy good 4090FE. That thing absolutely ripped. I’m all for cheap+fast. But I don’t overthink the stock form it comes in. But I understand that some people may not modify their own cars, they may want that high HP right out of the box. You gotta take a solder iron to any of them this generation. Unless you’re Linus lol.
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2 hours ago, Papusan said:
Nice. And not even the Gold Edition of 5080. Yup, Dom 5080 now at 5090 prices. Tempting bro @Mr. Fox? But if you dont like the game, maybe a vanilla 5080 Astral at sub $1700 looking better?
Asus RTX 5080 Doom-inspired GPU costs as much as an RTX 5090
Well, not quite but I get what you mean. My 5090FE was $1,999. But not sure if any one else on here got one for that much. 😕 It was really a select few. The market is crazy. I think that Doom inspired 5080 is really cool though, and if someone did not own a 5080/5090 already. I can see my self buying that for $1,899.99 with the T-Shirt. It comes with a few other goodies too.
PS: Bethesda Gear store has a 10% off promotion code for first time orders. So, $1,709 (Still terrible for a 5080, but it’s a really cool 5080 at least!)
This brings back nostalgia for me mainly. Because my first Nvidia graphics card was a eVGA Doom 6600GT. And I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I was 14 years old and you wouldn’t believe what I did. I removed that tiny dinky cooler, bought me some Artic Silver 5, and a massive CPU heatsink, and I zip tied it to the 6600GT. I was running 3Dmark01SE and 3Dmark03 and whooping all the other 6600GT’s 🤣 I loved my Doom edition 6600GT. This is when it all started for me.
I think the Astral is pretty cool already, and a Doom theme Astral is even better! The only thing I dont like is the 16GB GDDR7, but still, if I didn’t own a 5090 ready, I’d get that.
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20 minutes ago, johnksss said:
Running FG$ i get 400+ frames at times. Right now average is 350fps with no over clock.
But you are right, i was at like 70 to 90 with it turned off.
Yep, recording with Shadow Play is at least a 5% loss in frame rate for me. I did hear someone say the latest drive also improves performance by 2%. I was using the older driver.
Too graphically demanding for a Doom game though. 🤣
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8 minutes ago, johnksss said:
Well load up the 4090 laptop and get to testing. I'll load it up on my laptop and see what it can do at 2k/5070ti
It’s a crusher on native 4K! My 4090 Laptop will probably run it good, but it’s 2560x1600P, and Frame Gen will be its savior. But I think something like a RTX 3090 would really struggle. Frame Gen is excellent feature.-
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12 minutes ago, johnksss said:
It also came with my Astral and my laptop. Plus a few other games I need to get installed.
That’s excellent! I almost bought a copy from another guy who received a free copy as well. But then I discovered it’s free for Game Pass users, This new Doom game well, It’s not the typical Doom which are usually “Amazingly optimized on Vulkan” game, prior Doom mentality is = (run it maxed out on any GPU ya got) lol. 4K native pushes the 5090 ridiculously hard and actually uses it! Makes no sense though. Of course, DLSS+Frame Gen make it run really really easy. But, I don’t understand why they did this. It should not be this hard to run.. My 5090FE smacks it down hard, especially when I’m not recording gameplay, but not everyone has a 5090 lol. This game would whoop something like a RTX 5080 during 4K Native 🫠-
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DOOM Dark Ages is very fun! It is on Game Pass for free with subscription!
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1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:
@tps3443@electrosoft those are some crazy clocks for D2D OC settings. and @electrosoft dude u havent even maxxed out ur voltage slider! 😄
with those differences in our OC at +100-200 Mhz higher Core clocks for u guys it seems that higher vcore cards do indeed hit higher stable overclocks. either that or the games / stability tests u guys are using are much lighter than mine 😄 or a combination of both haha.
I am clapped out at 3420Mhz! @jaybee83 I don't think all the 5090's are going over 3,400. But to run even your 3,240Mhz in game is going to require a shunt mod, waterblock, and great custom cooling. You can get the EV2 and adjust voltage if you need to go up a some more in voltage as well. But, I would shunt mod and waterblock that card for maximum performance.
9 hours ago, electrosoft said:I double checked it with PX1 and AB. 🙂
I actually just used PX1 to boost it while having them running simultaneously. That is also when I found out PX1 was somehow tripping the power sensors detector on GT3. 🤨
But all three read the same. Also one reason why I decided on GT3 since it does everything I need and the others are kind of redundant but GT3 will freeze/lock up/crash randomly when setting it to launch with Windows so I manually start it.
I did snag a shot of PX1 running too with GT3 when I was cross referencing earlier:
Looks great to me! Very high clocks, they will be even higher in your Hwinfo effective by the way. You should be able to get some good results in Steel Nomad. Time to see what this thing can do on the dyno meter! I might survey the overclock.net guys see what they are getting as well for max overclock.
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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:
Yeah, I'm on 576.28 too. I did find 572.83 was better overall for clocks.
The wife and I finished up some serious WoW'ing and off to bed she went room is toasty. I rediscovered my love of my ceiling fan since the 5090 install and warmer days.
Seriously, when all is said and done, all roads lead to the same ballpark. Just slightly different seating. Only thing that will get you where you want to go on top of silicon is cooling and shunting along with all the tweaks the dedicated do to their environment/OS to extract every bit out of their cards. Me? Anything and everything I do is on top of my D2D bloaty OS.
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+3000 / +496 maxed nets me ~3465 at ~1065-1070 on 576.28. I have 576.40 drivers downloaded but still waiting a few days to see which direction they go.
The higher I pushed the offset, the lower the voltage dropped with no change to the cap out at 3465.
+465 / +3000 and +496 / +3000 = 3465.
Try lowering your offset to ~+465 and see if you maintain 3412 (don't forget to OC your memory too to max) and if your voltage goes up a bit.
+496 / +3000
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5090 mobile getting raked over the coals by Jarrod.....
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5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:
any gpu tuning software u prefer, be it PX1, MSI AB, GPU Tweak, etc. and enable locked max boost, thats it 🙂
Mine is was normally 3442@30c my voltage was not hitting 1075mv though, I think it's because the card was 31c this evening, and when I last checked I was on driver 572.83 which may be why it was 3,442Mhz before, right now I am on 576.28. Just had a hard gaming session though. Card was absolutely heat soaked to the max! 😄
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8 hours ago, electrosoft said:
No, I get the methodology.
I also get why this approach is flawed and invalid.
Do you?
I don’t know why it may be flawed. I just know that’s how everyone else gets/compares their baked in VFcurve on their GB202 die.5 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:speaking of 5090 VCores, i dont think ive seen ANY other card with as low as a peak as mine. absolute max i can see at idle and low temps is 1.025V. but under load i would never even see 1.02, 1.015 is as good as it gets.
so guys, out of curiosity: whats the highest D2D OC u can get on your cards with a given max VCore? were talking maxed out PL and voltage sliders here and max boost clocks shown at 30C core temp at idle.
mine would be 3240 Mhz at 1.025V (max. PL, max. voltage slider, gpu temp 30C).
What application are you going by to show these max clocks?
Run steel nomad, and tell me your GPU voltage range when he’s driving through the gate on his hover bike. Reset your card to default clocks.
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12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
True story, from the jump, I never, ever used the above approach (or facsimiles thereof from before) to calculate scores or ranking for 5090's before I even had a 5090. I want you to figure out why that is and why the above approach generalized is invalid.
Simple explanation.
My card idles at 180Mhz if I overclock it and add +50Mhz to my core offset it will idle at 230Mhz now. My VFcurve is also gone up +50Mhz, so instead of 2932@1065mv it is now 2982@1065mv. If I add a +475Mhz offset to my core, it’ll idle at 655Mhz. And my VFcurve would go up to 3407Mhz@1065mv
Your card has a factory overclock. You must subtract the idle speed from 180Mhz. If I could flash your bios to my FE, it too would have a factory overclock which would increase my VFcurve just like manually overclocking, which increases your VFcurve. You are not factoring what the silicon would run by its self based on its programmed VF curve, you are accounting for that+ the overclock.
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19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
No, mine is 2977 @ 1.085. 🙂
Right, but that’s including a factory applied OC if so, it’s not the true VFcurve.
To find out what your real core offset is on both Astrals, you have to subtract their stock idle speed from 180Mhz.
Nvidia spec 5090 idle is 180Mhz. So, if your card idles any bit over 180Mhz, you have to subtract that from your 2977Mhz which correlates your real VFcurve.
If your card idles 190Mhz it’s 2967@1085mv
If your card idles at 230Mhz it’s 2927@1085mv.
Anything on top of 180Mhz is a overclock on top of the default clock pre-applied through the bios from the AIB.
@electrosoft 5090 Astrals can have different idles. Crazy I know. But they can! So this can skew the default VF curve and what it actually may be.
See below.
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5 hours ago, electrosoft said:
Linus building out the fastest PC on the planet 9800X3D + Astral 5090 with Splave.
Splave opted to go with the Taichi over the Asus....
Timestamped at the point they are "flashing a top secret unlocked BIOS" to the 5090:
Note the (sorry you can't do this part at home)....
Slider now goes to 120%
Pulling 890w during the last run....
Watching all the pins trip red.... 🙂
Crashing and after a few more crashes Splave to Linus "Is your card worse than mine?" and a subsequent bit on Silicon Lottery.
Kind of like a draw unfortunately. 😞
Was the Gene able to do 8400 too?
And yeah, the Dashboard and higher resolution BIOS is always nice. 🙂
Yeah, I thought they were ok with it till it went off the rails at the end. I just kind of went, "whoa, whoa, I thought you liked it?" 😕
4k non G-sync was an issue. I don't like 4k panels on laptops. QHD for 17.3" or greater or FHD for 16" or smaller is my preference. I never had a problem with the trackpad but I'm a lefty. I don't know if that makes a difference. There is a new BIOS out for my unit I plan on trying along with tearing it down for a repaste and eval on extra copper under the hood soon as I get some time to start truly tinkering.
As for pricing, yeah they've come down a bit. On launch, they had a "special" price of $3999.99 for the Raider 285/5090 then it went back up to its "regular" price of $4899 but was then almost immediately discounted to $4499 and now it's at a regular price of $4099. 6400 speed ram and 2tb SSD isn't terrible but still....
Even the normal Titan dropped below $5k almost at launch.
9950HX3D models are all I would be interested in on the top end atm for gaming for 5090s though as the overall uplift versus the previous generation is mediocre.
I'm still waiting for Acer to send out their unit to me with a 275hx/5070ti OLED but they are currently switching distribution lines because of China tariffs for eval units because they will be hit regardless of import status. They had to push everything back to June according to their rep while they realign their supply lines.
Here's the cure to all your ills Brother.... 🤣
Or step into the 2 dimm land of the Apex
Yeah, this has rolled around in my mind for quite some time every since the launch of the 5090 series. The market continues to show Nvidia it can charge more and more for their halo products but I am a firm believer a product is only worth as much as consumers will pay.
For the lower tiers, Nvidia has routinely hit walls or competition and has had to price down accordingly, but the top end? Sky's the limit and even 5080 AIB models have skyrocketed into formerly 4090 land and brimming on 5090FE/PNY/Gigabyte launch pricing.
It really doesn't matter who won't pay but moreso who WILL pay.
Supply and Demand baby......supply and demand.....
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On another note, my friend finally wised up and I snagged an Astral for him from Best Buy and he sold off his FE for $3500 locally cash. I just had a chance to test it earlier today. It hit +3000 no problem on memory but it's boost lock is only 2919 and 2970 vs 2977 and 3060 on mine. Voltage is 1.065 and 1.085 max vs 1.085 and 1.1105 on mine. It also as quite audible coil whine but nothing compared to his FE which sounded like R2D2 taking a shot while navigating. We just finished up with a two hour FT jam session and I told him I could return it and wait for another unit if he wants but he still wants it and plans on blocking it (well, having his son block it for him) so off it goes tomorrow to its new home.
@electrosoft The Astral in that video was just like yours! It too was 1115mv@2977. Anyways, you need to subtract your idle clocks to get a fair comparison between these Astral's VFcurve.
So, my FE is idle 172-180Mhz. The Astral might idle at 226Mhz-262Mhz which would mean you need to subtract to get your correct VFcurve. Your cards might idle at a different frequency. This is all for fair comparison if you are comparing Astral's. So, whatever your idle is over +180, that is how much you will subtract from your VFcurve.. If I go just +75 on my core my cards 1065mv point is now 2,997 , my card would also idle at 240Mhz. Anyways, so with Astral typically its 225-262Mhz is idle but I heard it varies. So, if your 1085MV is 2,970Mhz. This number is inflated by your factory OC which is inflating the VFcurve. So, Check your idle clocks, subtract until you get 180 then subtract the difference from your Vfcurve point, and that is your true VFcurve.
Idle Clock Speed= 232Mhz
232-180= 52
Original VFcurve 2,977@1.115mv Minus 52= 2925Mhz. "True 1.125MV Vf Curve= 2925"
^This is just an example.
But, I would definitely bench these two cards head to head. Not that the voltage matters all that much. I personally am after a high VFcurve regardless of what its max voltage is or may be. Also, make sure its on OC bios, that will affect its VFcurve directly.
Also, do not discount that lower voltage card. It may do very well. My FE does very well it's only a 1050mv/1075mv. But so long as your VFcurve is good, it does not matter what the heck your max voltage is.
You are going to have to put the pedal to the metal on both Astrals in Steel Nomad/Port Royal and see which one wins! Who knows, they could clock the same. I want to see some numbers!!! 😀
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2 hours ago, Papusan said:
Yup. New small features to increase sales of newer and more expensive products.
Here, you can see why it was almost empty for 5090's globally and at awful high prices.... Nvidia and their partners feeded China with loads of cards... Perfect if you want to increase profits and make shortage. Same as with the miner boom. And I'm sure they shipped out the 5090's for the better paying customer before release.
For example, the high-priced RTX 50 series is in short supply. When the RTX 5090 was launched globally at the beginning of the year, it was snapped up at a marked-up price. In particular, AI chip buyers from China bought it as soon as it was available without asking the price. As a result, the channel price of the RTX 5090 doubled from the launch price of approximately NT$80,000 at the time.
And now Nvidia want you to pay even more... Becaue they need too keep up their high profits margins.
Just imagine 6090. It will attract every scalper in the world. And it will be $2,999.99 for 6090FE. I think 5090 is my last GPU. PC gaming is coming to an end for the masses. We better enjoy these last 2 years.-
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12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
Maybe my excitement about using the top X4 slot not ruining the motherboard caused me to speak too soon on bifurcation issues. Using the bottom PCIe slot with a PCIe card is definitely a no-go. GPU gets castrated to X8 if I do. It's fortunate that the top X4 slot allows me to use it or the Apex would be flat-out rejected as an unacceptable product. The AORUS Master still has it beat here. Gigabyte did it right. All three of the PCIe X16 slots can be populated without effing up the GPU lanes. So I have 9 NVMe installed in the Master without affecting the GPU and it looks like the Apex is going to limit me to 7. Same as the Gene except for the Gene runs the Sabrent card at X1.
I'm going to try disabling USB4 in the BIOS and see if that changes anything with the PCIe bifurcation and lane distribution since I have no use for USB4. I am also going to test an X1 PCIe card in the bottom slot and see if it still kicks the GPU in the gonads. C'mon ASUS, pull your head out. If none of those tweaks works, then I'm going to put a dust plug in the bottom PCIe slot since will be viewed as worthless waste of motherboard space to me. Not sure why the idiots included it if it can't be used without pooping on the GPU.
How come you are not running the 4090 Suprim with that fresh new waterblock in the X870 Apex rig? That waterblock looks amazing. I wanted one of those for my 4090. I love the full enclosure design. They are a little more expensive than the basic Alphacool Blocks, but you go and look at a review of those. And that Alphacool Core block actually matches the ($500 dollar) EKWB double sided BPSP blocks.
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I remember Star Wars outlaws giving the 4090 a serious work out. And with the 5090 it seems like the performance difference is huge!
I never played with Outlaw graphics settings daily before, but the 5090 laughs at this game. I think they have done some optimization as well.
Starwars Outlaws with "Outlaw" Graphic settings uses power just like Steel Nomad benchmark!
This is some serious power consumption, and a serious Ray Tracing work out! FE is in a closed case only reach 50% fan speed at 600W. My card never reaches power levels like this in a game! So it must be something serious I suppose. If something were to burn, this is where it’ll happen lol.
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58 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
Ahhh, I see you did see it....
Yours topped out at 1.075v correct? If it's any consolation, my buddy's also topped out at 1.080. ~1.075 seems very decidedly average for FE cards which is good overall IMHO.
I know that block will help those temps though. 🙂
As for Asus, they are the Lexus of the computer industry. Sure, a Hyundai will get you equally from point A to point B like an FE or PNY, but for those who want the full "luxury" experience (barf) and the extra bells and whistles, you pay more knowing you can get the bulk of everything for much less if that's your choice.
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Gigabyte 9070xt open box edition arrived today. Definitely not mine I returned as it had its PCIE cover and port covers intact but absolutely clean and pristine otherwise. Not one fingerprint on it.
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That is an absolutely gorgeous block, wow.....
My card is just an FE so nothing spectacular! That guy with 1.125v FE card benches his on cold air, GPU temps in 40’s at 15,750 in Steel Nomad, I can’t really compete with that man. I can break 15,600 in Steel Nomad with GPU temps in 60’s. But I haven’t tried any cold air yet though. 🤷♂️
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Are you planning to watercool your 5090?