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  1. Daedalus
    Hi all, please critique the idea....... Going back to the cable saga, are we (or am I) looking at this wrong, As far as im aware once we pass the GTX 980M upgrade we are in Dreamcolor territory (thats a given). 1070M and others only output to DP as a result as either the internal screen cant display (Mux) or not configured at Vbios level. I was looking at DP to HMDI conversion (mini project) as a separate thing Could we run say an DP to 30pin eDP or HMDI to EDP and see if the port would output to the inbuilt screen or am i missing something. DP output is only there on 1070M as its a "configured". Clearly we cant Vbios edit a internal screen (even if it could display) we have the MuX issue to work around. checking specs for the 1080M it shows 3 DP ports ( now we have 1 wired) so it should display output at least to DP#1 our port. I did stumble across the following in the continuing journey for the eDP to LVDS Taidacent 3.3V 5V 30 Pin EDP Universal Driver Board EDP to LVDS Converter Board LCD Screen LVDS to EDP Signal Adapter (Extended-Type) : Amazon.co.uk: Business, Industry & Science or EDP to LVDS Adapter: Convert Signals Easily or Wholesale LCD TV Display Spare Part 51P FHD to 30P HD LVDS Adapter For HV320WHB-N ( the last one seems to look very close to our rare board) Does the board convert signals or act as a connection point and thats it?
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    Had a search on TechPowerUp. Found the unit (i think) VGA Bios Collection | TechPowerUp I totally get your concern on the will X work with Y. I had similar concerns when trying to work out the correct Vbios for my 980M. Turned out KBX on here had already tested stuff, long story short, an MSI / Dell Vbios on an Nvidia card works in an HP. It seems the Dell Vbios are more relaxed and allow more compatibility. I also run a dual boot with my current K1000M and soon to be 980M (once i finish messing around with the cooling solution) dont disagree AMD drivers arent more stable, good choice. The lack of GPU traces on the CPU core sucks as we then have no internal GPU (IntelHD) to fall back on if the flashing didnt work. Im not aware of anyone managing to fix this. Did anyone actually attempt the GTX 1080M ( the one without the extra power connector) in the 8570W? i know 1070M wont output to anything but DP, but curious if 1080M did the same?
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    i have the final .71ver on my machine, looking at the bios release notes on HP.com, it doesnt call out an whitelist being present, that said some had issues (there was alot of chatter on older forums on it). There was a Coreboot bios floating around 8770W only (however 8570 and 8770W share same .71 version, no O/C option in the .71 bios release for CPU or RAM.....which is a shame. I tried (and failed) a GTX 965M upgrade, might have been a duff card. However now working on my 980M upgrade. No issue going from 62205 to a 7260HMW, just plug an play in win10. Wifi speeds improved, still working on getting BT stack operational as only sees Broadcom (onboard ) not showing Intel chipset.
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    Welcome to the Forum and Thread, you will find a number of us have arrived at same desire to modify these machines. Are you set in getting the M5100? i ask as there are a fair few MXM "A" cards you could use above the M5100, otherwise you can go further down the rabbit hole and look at MXM "B" upgrades. Take a look at TechPowerUp, there maybe a Vbios image already there for the m5100 that works. Unfortunately its difficult to load a VBios "in machine" as our CPU socket traces dont exist even though the CPU might have IntelHD on the core. You refer to the whitelist, if i recall this is located on the Mobo and not the GPU card, so your looking at whiletlist editing (a completely seperate to a working VBios image). You may have a perfect Vbios solution but if the mobo says no, you'll only get a black screen. The whitelist appears to have not just GPU restrictions, also Network cards too. sorted a 6250 wifi to a 7260 upgrade and had similar fun, Internet says "it shouldnt work" Pah..... This 8570W now runs a 7260HMW card (so stuff can be done within the apparent restrictions) wether it be HP scare tactics or an actual whitelist they deny exists...... That said its not all doom, if you read through the thread a number of GPU's have been proven to work which arent on HP's "list"
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    if i recall (i think it was GuitarG) put the P5200 in his 8570/8770 unit, i think theres a YT vid on it, But is amazing the p5200 runs in an older unit as it does alot of the heavy lifting for games usage. Again not sure if the newer G5/G6 need a DC screen for them to work.
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    Thats good to hear your test proved a pass, so it seems to align the card is good. Definitely review your cooling solution as this may have been a bit tooo close a call to failure. Happy to measure my 8770W "half plate" GPU sink if you need heights verified. That will work for a 980M but not anything newer, if i recall @KbX has a 1070M in his (but suffers display output options) not sure if hes evolved his heatsink since. Can anyone advise if the 1080M has been tried, not sure why we stopped at 1070m as i saw one which didnt have the PSU plug so it must be downclocked to run via MXM slot.
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    If itā€™s a dry joint/heat related short the longer test will show it up. maybe a heat gun operation if chips are good.
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    this is why i now have a junker dual core 8570W (only difference is no RAM slot 1&3 under keyboard from what i can see) in a half chassis for my heatsink work, all i need are CPU and GPU bolt points to align. i can prep all i need without killing anything (fingers crossed) plus i can mod the chassis for cooling and swap items across as proven. no spare 980m though (eek)
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    Noooo, thats not good news. was yours a 980M?? Were all "hot" chips cooled ok? the copper plate is flat (obviously) whereas the aluminium 8770W one has recesses to cater for different heights. (i'm looking at full copper but got to wait until my slide table turns up so i can convert my drillpress into a milling machine arrives, so its the 8770W sink until then) i assume the GPU core wasnt contacting the sink as if i recall VRAM is a tiny bit higher off the PCB (i could be wrong, i used the thicker blue heat pads which squish a bit more, although i may change to upsiren paste next) this is the issue i found when creating an "undercooler plate" for the 980M VRAM on the other (under)side of the PCB that sit next to Mobo and dont get cooled enough. was your card a "low mileage" one? might have been slowly dying and the mod pushed it over the edge. However we learn and upgrade. Will share the underplate on here shortly once i get a chance to take a pic this weekend (if it works i'll convert into a printable template).
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    Hi all, just found the below for our cable build saga. Someone on the thinkpad forums hit similar issue for lvds 1. ā eDP -> LVDS adapter:https://e.tb.cn/h.8kNp2CawbSlReTo?tk=FLq9TdpACbP 2. ā eDP 40pin ->30pin: https://e.tb.cn/h.8lZV7mu4BxoANYC?tk=AYKSTdKbVim and https://a.aliexpress.com/_EG5DDMQ upd. 3. wacom-emr-digitizer to usb adapter project: https://github.com/bulat-chu/WACOM-ThinkPad-X60T-Digitizer In my head (yeah i know its crazy) it maybe easier to repin the intermediate boards above than mess with a tiny co-axial cables which will melt and short. again itā€™s TaoBao but might be useful Can someone on here confirm that an 8770W DC cable would work for our 8570W challenge? i may have a source for one. (however the pic shows just the cable so im thinking im missing the interposer board. unless its hidden under the tape / material covers
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    as we are sourcing only PWM from CPU header (splitting only fan feed on mobo), we see both fans at equal speed, as the tacho pin isnt presented at 2nd fan (3-pin) (mainly due to the fact it confuses the mobo header) so its only CPU (4-pin) fan that would speed up and slow down. I know in GPU-Z it doesnt detect fan speed of either current and the "additional".
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    if memory recalls i dont think linking the pipes back to GPU copper plate would be efficient, i get the logic of hot running to cold point (fan) though. I always understood heatpipes work best with a temp gradient from one end to other. looping would increase copper mass, you might benefit from two pipes ending up at exhaust grille. just my 2c. Is that a 3d printed fan? i ask as i had sooooo many Ali fans working out which would fit in DVD bay then the headache of supplying different brand fans with HP happy power.
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    Nice work, Not bad. Thats kinda how i was envisaging my dual fan setup to look like. My version was keeping the fan to GPU pipe but also having the inverse like you have for the GPU to second fan. assume all LMP solder joints there. why no primary fan to GPU plate heatpipe? GPU maybe overloading 2nd fans ability to exhaust heat one question, why not have the 2nd fan nearer the SSD bay? (assume due to heatpipes not working in flipped over layout. Also where is your second fan run from, i see the PWM feed from main fain header, but are you using +5v and gnd from DVD? (as 980M install requires a brutal haircut of the DVD port) i planned on taking feed from USB sub-board (that black plastic covered board bottom right) on the underside how is fan intake working? i have a round hole in my DVD bay floor and a grille in my access panel now šŸ™‚ Regards video output is that via internal display on 980M? which Vbios. How did you bend your heatpipes? Apologies for the critique. love the progress youve made.
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    if this is anything like the elitebook 8570W misadventure i had when trying to make a GTX 965M work, you have to choose the correct VBios otherwise the machine wont POST. It will fire up but no display output to screen. what Vbios does your Fermi have on it. You might be seeing a misalignment of DP_A, B C etc not being assigned to the display. Try the TechPowerup forum for other versions of Vbios. I know on my machine it only ever came with 3 card options from factory, despite what HP techs said no Whitelist "apparently" existed. Ive seen INF mods needed for some cards too
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    am i assuming from the diagram above no interposer board is needed? just looking at sources for the cables at present. LVDS elitebook ones seem viable on ebay. is there any IPS displays preferred that fit the 8570W lid best (just to focus searches) Also has anyone got the interposer dreamcolor board cable assembly part number too? @GuitarG i salute your devotion to the cause and effort so far, a shame the 8570W is retired from your flock. Enjoy the next challenge šŸ˜‰
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    not to be difficult, UK users cant see IMGUR pictures, so all i see is a blue block. Awesome progress though. Shame the 8570W journey ends. Did anyone uncover the HP LVDS cable pinout diagram? i seem to recall its in an older post (i'll go hunt for it. Happy to try recreate the cable, just need to get a bundle of LDVS to sacrifice šŸ˜„
  17. Daedalus
    as they are two slots it will be the thin copper sinks, removal of the stickers to maximise contact, underneath set will fair better as they are side by side and have a vent on access door. under keyboard may suffer higher temps.
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    Yeah I think the sandwich creation is sensible. Although had a (stupid idea) top of 980m cooled by main 8770w sink, and under side cooled by second fan and heat pipe, but they are held together by spider, so allows cooling assembly as two part. there are copper heatsinks for memory on Ali too I noticed so I may try them. Also plan to cool north bridge whilst Iā€™m creating a monster i now have three 8570w sinks in various states of removed parts to work out what fits and can be used in different locations
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    Hey, Still working on the Access panel vent so the 2nd fan can pull air, but at present its a Type H (fits 470 thru to 590) copper plate (0.5mm thick) from Ali i'm modifying to sit under the card with Upsiren putty to try and clamp via spider (you'll need longer spider too for this) so heat is shared back into the main heatsink. It aint perfect as bolt holes need widening, but its better than hoping the PCB will dissipate heat. will need to Kapton tape the underside to minimise short risk too. But thats the idea im running with at the moment unless anyone has managed a better fix. will find the link and re-edit post shortly https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ewz3iIS is the part Iā€™m modifying as an off the shelf solution (ish) its an evolution of the copper plate that KBX did on his 980M install but trying to keep as an sandwich assembly (hopefully it wont foul the DVD port too, although i suspect it will, so DVD port will require a trim )
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    That backlight mod would still limit card options no? current non-DC screens have a 980M limit. if the backlight mod allows greater / newer options then that could give a pathway.
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    Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong (wouldnt be the first) but if one was good enough at micro soldering and cut the right traces couldnt we make the cables were trying to build work at the board level? i mean its alot of work, but a question is free......
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    @JadeRover so if i understand/read that correctly, that Vbios build makes 1070M work on a Non-DC enabled 8570W? cool news if it does. hadnt stumbled on that post before i got my 980M (d'oh) time to search for a 1070M then šŸ˜‰ for the next upgrade stage. Until the cable saga is resolved the RTX cards will have to wait.
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    Full copper GPU sink would be the way to go. Ive seen some machined ones, but never any OEM. They seem to like the Alu / berylium things we see in our machines, which are a pig to use LMP solder too. A couple of my heatsinks dissasembled at points i didnt want to undo before the point i needed came apart. KBX is working on a 1070m but hes hitting DC issues too, card works but only via DP. That said his H/sink is different to the 980M as chip heights so i dont know if there is another plate available, unless you scour Ali/Google for a 1070 sink from another manafacturer and decouple the GPU. 9xx is best for 8570W / 8770W ( well was in OEM spec) our crazy minds have gone a little bit further than that here
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    Welcome MODDER1, good to see your on the similar journey. SSD's definitely help the machine catchup to newer generations. Currently running 1TB samsung Sata SSD in mine with a 500gb Msata secondary drive. i do run the i7-3940XM CPU with my current k1000M GPU. I have the 980M SLI (same as KBX on here) card ready to go in, but am currently working on Chassis mods to allow dual fans (980M is a hot beast) to get the heat away so not yet running the card (KBX has his running and working on 1070M). The 980M mod requires the 8770W sink mod as its a "B" card and 8570W only ever shipped with "A" cards from HP, so to go 980M or any more powerful card you'll be collecting alot of parts šŸ™‚ The 980M is the best you'll get without dreamcolour screens, others on this post have DC screens and have done more awesome mods and more powerful cards.
  25. Daedalus
    Hi All, Another 8570W user here, Whilst not running Dreamcolor i have a Win10 build with K1000M (being upgraded to 980M) currently running .71Ver System bios. How difficult was win11 to get onto the machine as i recall TPM scuppers the build/install. Where did you find the Dreamcolour setup?
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