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function over form my friend, function over form 😛

LOL i had no idea, now i feel like a moron 😄 thanks for the tip! ill try it next time in BIOS 🙂

be sure to post ur VF curves, as well (9950X and X3D). lets get some comparisons going here to put some proper context to the curves 🙂

and THAT, my friend, is the crux of the hardware enthusiast reality 😄 haha nice that reminds me of the high tech toilets i saw in japan 😄 7950X = lemme see if i can find an old bios screenshot / post about this First 9950X3D = SP 120 Second 9950X3D = SP 120 (120.44 across all cores), V/F curve below. in general, both the IMC and CCDs seem to be stronger on this one vs. the first. unfortunately, i dont have any screens of the VF curves for the first 9950X3D or the 7950X. sorry about the awkwardly slanted screenshot, this is due to my curved monitor 😄 plus had to stitch together two pics cuz the low Bios res doesnt allow all 16 cores to be shown at the same time.

daaaaaamn, bro Fox will be basically moving into the new MC as a permanent resident 😄

ah yes please, id like to have one of those 😄 RTX 5090 with higher vRAM by Nvidia themselves...it better be a 5090 Ti or Titan Blackwell! btw guys, cmon now, we dont really need to be defending 8GB cards in 2025....dont come up with artificial use cases here, just vote with ur wallet and let them die out already.

i can see that 5090 budget burning a hole in your wallet hahaha i for one am done with hardware purchases for the time being, back to tuning the installed hardware (finish RAM and havent even started with the CPU yet!) and also more gaming! just finished Deliver Us Mars and also discovered a third installment is already in the making (Deliver Us Home). Now I am starting with Doom Eternal + Ancient Gods, first time ive tried it. Lets see how it compares to Doom 3 and Doom 2016 🙂

ooooh joining the X3D club? nice, looking forward to your findings vs. the regular 9950X.

thats really impressive for that pricing! no way i could compete with those speeds / timings tho lol. i for one am just happy i finally got 8000 stable. i finished tuning the primary timings: 8000-40-47-49-76 is the best i can get in my D2D OC stability tests. secondary and tertiary timings to follow, ofc but that will take a while 😛 still, nothing to sneer at, considering 8000CL40 is the same latency ratio as my previous 7600CLC38 or the universally recommended 6000CL30, but at much higher overall bandwidth. curious to see where my results will land once ive gotten all the timings dialed in.

welp this was a nothing burger 😄 turns out, once u insert TWO sticks instead of one the rules change completely. the 1.30V kit that was previously stable at 8000 is still king. while testing the two best 1.35V sticks i couldnt actually get them stable at 8000 with the same settings 😄 sooo anyways, RAM binning done, will keep the 1.30V kit and see which speed will give me the best bandwidth / latency performance 🙂 thatll take another while.... RAM OC rabbit hole is real 😄

haha i get it though, bro @tps3443 is just happy with his purchase and is screaming it out into the forum void 😄 sooo ive gone through all 8 new sticks individually with loose timings and maxxed out voltages, and here are the results: 5 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out instantly at DDR5-8600 2 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out about a third of the way through the stress test at DDR5-8600 1 stick maxes out at DDR5-8600 and errors out instantly at DDR5-8700 now doing the same settings with the kit that was stable at 8000, but testing the sticks individually. they do seem do be significantly weaker, at least the first one cant do 8500 stable, currently testing 8400. ill be testing the sticks that can work their way through completely or for a good chunk at 8600 and do all permutations of two sticks with more stringent settings. in the end im hoping ill be able to achieve 8200 with respectable timings, that would be grand 🙂

w00t w00t! we got separation! 🙂 Stick No. 5 of kit 3 is stable at DDR5-8600 😄 Fun fact: this is one of the open box items, thus significantly cheaper than the new kits 😛 now off to 8700...

currently on the third stick, so far theyre all maxing out at 8500. seems like these kits are more narrowly binned than the others. curious to see how they perform in pairs, maybe then ill have more of a spread. id definitely welcome it, since ill need to decide which ones to return 😄 nice! looks like ill be holding off on upgrading my lady's machine until Bartlett Lake shows what it can do 🙂 also hoping for additional fixes to stave off silicon degradation. when it comes to my lady, stability is everything! us hardware nerds can live with a bit of instability when it means MOAR POWAH 😛

i guess it all comes down to optimization by the mobo manufacturer. in my case i havent had any luck with EXPO kits, but XMP kits work quite nicely. AHA! "finally" errored out at 8600 😄 now for a full 8500 stress test to dial this stick in and then off to the others. should go more quicklly now that i have a rough idea of where to start testing.

thx for the headsup, ive actually tried those in the RGB version (lights manually switched off for daily operation and stress testing, i just go with the RGB version for higher resale value), but no luck on my mobo. BUT the four additional kits of the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK arrived yesterday! This is the 1.35V sku, there is also a 1.30V sku under the same model number, which is the kit that ran 8000 stable in my previous testing. Im now testing the 8 sticks individually and so far i havent found an upper limit for the first stick LOL. DDR5-8400 running well, upping in 100 Mhz steps 🙂 Will update you guys once i know more 😄 Ofc im aware that with two sticks the frequency limit will be lower, but this nevertheless already bodes well. First time ever ive even seen anything boot up and run stable at 8100 Mhz or above on my mobo 🙂

oh that would be very sweet if they came out with such a card. there is a possibility that AMD didnt expect Nvidia to nerf the 5080 THIS HARD, so theyre now seeing an opening to slot in smth between the 5080/4090 and 5090. boiz@5090 owners, welcome to midrange 🥲 even more so cuz the Pro 6000 can be oveclocked! now lets see if Roman will design and make his very own custom water block for this card. seeing as he actually has all the milling equipment and know-how, this would be perfect as a part 2 for his "project irrationality" 😄

this is with the silicon lottery in mind. check and see which sticks clock the highest and then pair up the two best ones to maximize OC ability. i figured since were talking 4 kits of the same SKU mixing and matching wouldnt be as bad as doing so between different kits.

valid point, valild counterpoints 😄 i like that guy's style haha good timing, i was juuuust about to let you guys know ive just put in an order for FOUR MORE RAM KITS 😄 since my order for the 1.35V G.Skill DDR5-8000 QVL kit got cancelled by the first shop, i looked around and found a nice offer for two new and two open box RAM kits of that sku. sooo with your above screenshots in mind, lets see if i can catch up a bit and be able to get 8100+ stable with one of those kits 🙂 this brings the total to 13 ram kits binned haha. i am actually considering to now test the individual sticks and just pair the two best performing ones, what do u guys think?

what were the temps before? i just finished benching the Teamgroup kit one last time and switched over to the "golden" kit at 8000, starting to tighten up timings 🙂

good input, forgot to mention that im actively cooling my RAM with a 140mm Arctic fan. during the RAM kit testing i kept an eye on max temps during stress tests, the best cooled kits were in the low to mid 40s C max temp. whereas the lesser, more plasticky sticks went up to the low 50s. nevertheless, at 1.69V for both VDD and VDDQ (testing voltages, will tune those down later after tightening up timings) those temps are still more than ok and not worried about it 🙂 welp this is one of the many reasons we keep our ladies around, to keep our heads straight when we get lost in hardware land 😄

im guessing the disbelief stems from the marketing, in that those high speed RAM kits basically come "pre-binned" from the factory. only issue being that as opposed to binned GPUs or CPUs, theres much more at play here in terms of mobo / CPU IMC / firmware / user tuning capabilities, so way more factors to consider in being able to reach those advertized speeds. i for one am reaaaaally happy that my CPU / mobo combo is indeed capable of 8000(+) speeds 🙂

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800. Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average! So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛). so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! it certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 conclusion for now: 4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit) 4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s 1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s Notes: Striked through: Out of the race Blue: current champ Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%) Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%) Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%) Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%) 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%) 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

no surprise there, reputable seller with top notch wares and awesome pricing 🙂 if only bro fox was located a bit closed id shop at "Mr. Fox Rox Hardware Shop" way more frequently 😄 uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring? hows the cooling and voltage range on the new card? ill continue the RAM binning today, two more kits currently incoming. that leaves one last kit that hasnt yet shipped from the respective shop. will likely start the return process today for the "loser kits" 😄 and also did a first pricing check on fleabay for my current Teamgroup 8200 kit. ill finish up the tightening of subtimings on the TG kit to get some AIDA64 baseline numbers to compare with the new 8000 speed, should be interesting! speaking of fleabay, just sold my 7950X yesterday to a dude in croatia for about 90% of the current new in box pricing, cant complain!

im guessing u two do something right @benching 😄

yessir, CPU is on an Arctic Freezer II 420 with Noctua IPPC3000 fans in push/pull 😄 interesting tidbit on the kit that made 8000 possible: its 1.35V counterpart is actually the ONLY kit listed at DDR5-8000 on the mobos QVL 😛 so this 1.30V variant seems to be "identical enough" to be able to utilize the firmware compaibility. still waiting on the 1.35V sku tho, very curious to see if its also able to reach 8000 🙂