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while not addressing the source of the problem, still interesting stuff nonetheless. especially coming from Seasonic, who are like the Noctua of PSUs in terms of competence and trustworthiness 🙂 https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies/seasonics-next-generation-prime-psus-to-will-try-to-stop-connectors-from-melting

not sure if thats purely coil whine though, might also be coming from unevenly balanced fans scratching at the fins.

well we need some testing hardware first 😉

id actually be highly interested in one of those cpus for my lady's machine. only issue being that i need one with iGPU enabled, so no dice unfortunately. ah yes, first RGB and now displays. might as well install an electric heater on the RAM 😄

omg, i dont even know where to start with this, just so many things that went wrong here: 1) why even bother changing the Suprim? The design is simple, industrial, non-gamery looking. 2) how in heck did they make the jump from gold-plated to "Titanium" name rebranding? WTH, titanium is silver-ish looking, 3) this doesnt even look like regular gold plating. this has some kinda weird funky caleidoscope effect... what did they DO?! 😄 niiiiiice.... no worries, if anything blows up here we will aplaud your efforts, much respect! 🙂

tru i feel that, not a big fan of FEs either. but with the 6000 pro there arent any AIB cards. i wonder if the PCB would be similar enough to the 5090 that a waterblock could fit? now that would be quite the beast!

i was talking about the gpu not the SFF build 😄 omg u with such a small case is like that classic cartoon of a big mountain of a man getting out of a tiny beetle haha

any crashing issues with it yet? ive heard lots of user reports with huge issues of stability, regardless of setup. its definitely on my playlist, although i havent come around to Eternal & Ancient Gods yet. so i guess once i get to Dark Ages, itll have shed its initial instability issues. at least i hope so 😄 ah the stress of having too many games and too little time to play them 😛 haha Expedition 33 is blowing up here in europe, completely insane how everyone is glazing over it. all those reviews and user reports have me intrigued, although im usually not interested in such "anime style" games. if u try please report back on what u think! in any case quite impressive that such a small team could have such a big success. just goes to show that stupidly pumping enormous amounts of money into the nth iteration of the same idea (i.e. battle royals or hero arena shooters) does not guarantee success! niiice so it IS indeed overclockable hm? thats good to hear! sooooo, who of us is gonna get one of those? 😛 cmon bro @Mr. Fox i can already see you secretly checking your bank account! 😄 and to think what these cards cost during the pandemic area, holy guacamole....

duuude 8400 LOL time for me to get crackin on binning ram kits. ill likely start by the end of the month 🙂

@tps3443@electrosoft those are some crazy clocks for D2D OC settings. and @electrosoft dude u havent even maxxed out ur voltage slider! 😄 with those differences in our OC at +100-200 Mhz higher Core clocks for u guys it seems that higher vcore cards do indeed hit higher stable overclocks. either that or the games / stability tests u guys are using are much lighter than mine 😄 or a combination of both haha.

any gpu tuning software u prefer, be it PX1, MSI AB, GPU Tweak, etc. and enable locked max boost, thats it 🙂

speaking of 5090 VCores, i dont think ive seen ANY other card with as low as a peak as mine. absolute max i can see at idle and low temps is 1.025V. but under load i would never even see 1.02, 1.015 is as good as it gets. so guys, out of curiosity: whats the highest D2D OC u can get on your cards with a given max VCore? were talking maxed out PL and voltage sliders here and max boost clocks shown at 30C core temp at idle. mine would be 3240 Mhz at 1.025V (max. PL, max. voltage slider, gpu temp 30C).

welp boiz i finished retesting Suprim Perf. / PNY Epic-X / Gigabyte Master / GIgabyte Master ICE vbios versions, this time with shorter, bursty benchmark runs. Suprim came in last, with the PNY second to last. Master ICE often had the edge over the regular Master vbios, but its somehow more....volatile? like id have to rerun a bench several times to get that "good" score. with the regular Master, its just flash and forget, provides good scores with every run. so id say the Master is the overall most rounded vbios it seems, whereas if one is out for the best possible scores the Master ICE is a tad bit higher in scores (were mostly talking less than 1%, but sometimes up to 2-3%. but again, very volatlie and difficult to reproduce reliably). and with those benchmark scores no wonder the guys over at overclock.net are swooning over it 😄 ill test run the Master vbios for a bit now. lately ive been having stuttering issues while gaming ever since switching over to the PNY vbios. hoping this will run more smoothly. just thought id let you guys now, before anyone is disappointed with the PNY vbios 🙂 as for the Suprim vbios...like, wth MSI?! with the 4090 it was basically the same: hardwarewise they know their stuff, cooling is awesome, same with fan noise/curves, power delivery but when it comes to vbios theyre like second fiddle.... Gigabyte Master ICE 10-Mar-2025 (274453).rom Gigabyte Master 22-Feb-2025 (273784).rom

daaaaaaaamn, now THATS a feature id want across all motherboards, no matter the socket! i am annoyed by the fact that theyre stonewalling the upgrade to FHD resolution in Bios and limiting that feature to X870 boards. i guess theres not enough other "features" to distinguish X870 from X670, so for now theyre not planning to backport this to X670....meh

hm if thats true it would be a regression. on my board i can populate 4 out of the five M.2 slots without affecting the GPU (as i currently am doing with my storage setup).

btw bro @cylix we also need specs! i just realized ure actually showing the X version. thus far all the reports have only been about the non-X version. wanna know what the difference is?!

ok kool once ure done testing just send it over to me 😛

duuuude! talk about a comeback with a BANG! holy crap how much did u pay for it?! 😄 we want: bench scores, power consumption, overclocking abilities (if any?), temps, driver support (as abysmal as for the 5090?), any quirks, potential watercooling and/or shunting planned? we want ALL the deetz!

"inflation" 😛 /s uuuh id like for you to keep us updated on that. both the CUDIMM and 2 vs. 4 dimm board performance on AM5 interest me a lot 🙂

first thought was of bro @Mr. Fox getting one of those. imagine him skipping the 5090 but getting a 6000 pro instead 😄 dude, talk about getting raised with a rolex spoon 🤣 i am partial to peasant Fossil watches myself, really like their design language 😄 soooo....shunt mod coupled with @Prema Mod then? 😄 btw, i decided to do another vbios comparison, this time with shorter burst loads via benchmark tools. ill focus on the Suprim stock, PNY Epic-X and Gigabyte Master vbioses.

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont sell it! 😞 dont leave the NH55 gang! but if you MUST: good luck with the sale bud 😄

correction on my previous statement: no increased OC, silicon limit remains the same even with the new vBios. card is behaving a bit differently, i.e. stabilities / instabilities at different points / in different benches or games than before on stock vBios. but overall stability point is still the same at 3240-3247 Mhz.

spot on, the differences are miniscule. ofc when doing benches those differences should be larger. and yup, the second one was it. i figured if a vbios allowed for a bit moar powah / higher voltage i could also squeeze a bit more out of it, so best to compare oranges to oranges and set all vbios testing to the same clocks at idle 33-34C temps. naturally, one might argue that slight differences in the overall V/F curve shapes might account for slightly higher / lower clocks depending on the vBios. but since im basically only interested in the highest V/F points on the curve, the range "should" be minimized. granted, if one would be interested in undervolting and going further down the curve, those variabilities would likely be larger. but not interested in UV 😄 all in all, 5090 beggars cant be choosers 😛 being stuck with the 600W wall means well have to find other ways to squeeze a bit more outta these chips haha

Aight boiz, heres the jist of my vBios testing. Testing conditions: Alan Wake 2 Chapter "Summoning" Savegame 4K maxed out with all RT / PT maxed +HDR. Driver: 576.28 (XtremeG Mod) Duration: 60 min. Flashing / Setup Procedure: 1) Flash vBios via NVFlash 5.867.0 2) Uninstall Drivers via DDU 3) First Reboot 4) Blackscreen upon Boot, switch to iGPU 5) Only mouse cursor visible, blindly type in password to login 6) Desktop appears, but no icons - switch to dGPU, all good 7) Install Drivers, adjust settings 8 ) Second Reboot for Nvidia Overlay functionality 9) Set 100% fan speed via MSI Afterburner, check HWInfo for readout 10) Check V/F curve offset vs. stock Suprim vBios, adjust core offset to reach 3240 Mhz at 33-34C (D2D OC profile for my card at stock vBios) 11) Run AW2 as detailed above, record via HWInfo in background. After 60 min. minimize game while still letting it run and do quick screengrab of dGPU section in HWInfo. I attached the screengrabs to this post, together with the PNY Epic-X vBios ive ended up choosing, for anyone interested. How did I choose which vBios to pick on TPU? Welp since most creation dates of the uploaded vbios files are the same, i just went by the most recently uploaded for highest chance to get the latest version for each card. Manually checking if its indeed the performance profile for cards that sport two vBios versions. Quick conclusions: - Asus Astral LC/OC and Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce were disqualified pretty quickly due to lack of proper fan control (Asus) and very low max rpm (Gigabyte), respectively - Stock Suprim SOC and Zotac Amp Extreme vBioses demonstrated the overall lowest average and peak wattage numbers, resulting in lower core clocks. So they dropped out of the race, as well - Gigabyte Master and Master ICE vBios versions are basically identical, only difference here being the impact of differing ambient temps (+2C on the ICE), thus some impact on the clocks. - In the end it was a neck-and-neck race between the Gigabyte Master and PNY Epic-X vBios. I ended up choosing PNY due to the following: 1) Highest avg. and peak wattage numbers 2) Highest core clocks for avg. and effective 3) Highest max. RPM for the fans (+200 above stock and the other fan functional vBioses) 4) Highest average voltage, even when accounting for differing ambient temps. There u go guys, enjoy! Any questions or comments, lettem rip 🙂 edit: as an afterthought, some additional things i could have included: higher measurement resolution in HWInfo to better get a grip on wattage peaks / shorter, burst-style loads in terms of standard benches & benchmark scores. but hey, only got so much time to go around i guess 😄 MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC vBios Testing.zip PNY Epic-X OC 10-Apr-2025 (275445).rom

well id say were spot on then 😄 ive dialed in new OC settings due to the changed V/F curve, seems like i can now do +20Mhz on the core offset, pretty nice. although not sure if this is vbios / driver / backplate cooling related or maybe a combination of all three. not 100% sure yet on the stability for D2D but should be pretty close. gonna do a session of Deliver Us Mars later to finish it up.