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  1. 1610ftw
    PTM7950 pads rule! Just did an MSI GT75 that I had never repasted and the difference is quite staggering. CPU core differential went down from 18°C to 7°C and I also managed to get a top 20th place rating out of more than 24000 for its GTX1080 GPU with a litte bit above 8250 whereas before I could not get over 8000. The CPU still stinks (8750H) but at least it has gone down in temperature by more than 10°C. Curing time: about 1.5 hours and about 5 runs each for Cinebench and Time Spy.
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    Make that 7690 and 7890 - time to move to 18" LED for the bigger model.
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    Hehe, been there, done that 🙂 Looking at 3Dmark there are probably only a handful of laptops in front of you so this is an excellent result! So I would keep things as is and not risk a fried GPU for a few more benchmark points.
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    12K Graphics score in sight! 👍
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    Intel seems like a less controlling company than Nvidia but still they helped neither Clevo nor MSI to allow users to update from Comet Lake to Rocket Lake.
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    True, but can't be worse than Clevo who could be said to be flatlining for the second generation in a row with the X370 😄
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    I agree with you assessment of Clevo's stance on this and I think that MSI would be in the best position to do this: They seem to be better connected than Clevo They have done LGA before and only have stopped with Comet Lake so one gen before Clevo. Before that they had three LGA laptop chassis starting with first gen Skylake. They also produce motherboards and separate GPUs so they do not only have contacts with the big three for special laptop chips. That would help implementing a modular solution and getting support from Intel and AMD that is comparable to the support in their desktop motherboards. They have the most elaborate bios options of any laptop these days when it comes to overclocking and undervolting. I have for some time said that next gen CPUs would be perfect for an LGA chassis with Intel processors and a GPU module that is swappable from the outside would be much less of a support nightmare although it may be a challenge to produce a module with built in cooling or alternatively to attach such a module to a unified heat sink that all manufacturers prefer these days.
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    I am sure there is some power to be saved, maybe between 20 and 40W with the 3080 depending on use case? I guess there is a slim chance that Optimus will bring most of those savings while allowing for less reboots to activate the dGPU so that will only have to be done in certain cases. Depending on power prices and how long the KM-G is powered and how it is used on the difference may not be worth it to do anything as it will just not make much of a difference if the total daily runtime is 6 hours or less or if it consists mainly of activities where the dGPU is preferred.
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    One would think that they have an ear for enthusiasts in such a heavy and expensive flagship model that with a few changes could have offered more sensible design choices, more memory and more storage. They could build a prototype and let people play with it and get some feedback on what to do and not to do and I am pretty sure that neither those silly 2230 SSDs nor the inverted motherboard would have been approved. And say what you will about recent models by Asus, MSI and others but the hardware is there for all to see when opening the bottom cover - it is not that hard to do that...
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    Would be interesting if somebody tested DGPU only vs iGPU vs Optimus for Office use when connected to power. I only tested battery on iGPU and it still was rather disappointing but power savings when connected may be worth it for some.
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    Taking out the motherboard may not be hard in a sense that it cannot be done but not everybody is as good at taking his laptop apart as some of us may be so I continue to dislike the need to take out the motherboard for this. And sorry to hear that your m18 is dead, looks like Dell and Asus both have issues with their liquid metal application. If I got one of those for any amount of time I would swap the liquid metal for something else before the warranty is over - a dead motherboard can be very costly.
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    I would mostly agree as it is part of the fun IF something can be done. As enthusiasts I think we enjoy that unless it immediately voids the warranty which can obviously be an issue. Looking forward to hear about your results. You are right about phase change pads. I have been using them for some time now and even with desktop CPUs they are pretty good at evening out temps like here in a Clevo P775 with an 8700K: 1st test run: 129W, 91 to 95°C core temps 2nd test run: 142W, 96 to 100°C core temps So very constant even at higher temperatures, no 10°C and higher temperature differences. It is also supposed to last very long and to be very easy to apply - not that this would matter here as I am actively looking for an 8-core CPU for that P775 😄 The problem with the m18 will obviously be that for putting in that phase change pad you will have to take apart most of the laptop whereas I had to losen 5 screws to get to the CPU of the P775 with separate heat sinks - only took a few minutes and probably is a best case scenario as it does not even have a unified heat sink.
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    Looking forward to hear about that but no amount of tuning or unlocking will overcome a 10+ degrees temperature difference between cores. Not to mention the inverted motherboard design that is just wrong and Dell / Alienware have no performance advantage to show for it.
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    Watched the video now and there is a huge temperature differential between cores on that m18 so it obviously has a lot more potential but it cannot show it when most cores are barely above 80 and one is at 100! No idea why Alienware wanted to go with this extremely silly design of the inverted motherboard - means that almost nobody will dare to take the m18 apart to risk being out of warranty when something goes wrong - BAD idea. Instead people will just keep sending them back until they get one with a decent TIM application. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
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    Yeah, the Delta can probably sustain more than 330W given that it is rather overbuilt but I can understand that manufacturers would not want to get into trouble by allowing a higher sustained power draw. As all manufacturers are affected by more power hungry CPUs since last generation it would not hurt if they could just agree on some kind of top of the line 400W+ GAN power supply form factor that would still be smaller than the current Delta unit. People who find big power supplies impractical for travelling can always get a second smaller one of let's say 240 or 280W if they need something more compact on the road. This is so strange - looks like they are throwing a big amount of hardware at rather mediocre performance. At least when you just get one unit. You can probably go through 3 or 4 units and get a better one like @ssj92 and @win32asmguyapparently did but that should not be the case with such a high end product that took longer to release than almost all of the competition. It is also unfortunate that serviceability of this one is subpar. To me this is not acceptable as I just want to pop open the bottom panel and maybe the keyboard from the outside but then I have to be able to do all the servicing.
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    Thanks, good to know! I would really like to check on out even though I have absolutely no use for it. I guess I just like the fact that it is relatively big with the potential to have really good cooling.
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    @win32asmguy and @ssj92 : What kind of material is the palm rest and the other surfaces? Is the palm rest still slightly rubberized / soft touch style like in other Alienwares and the Precision workstations?
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    I just looked at the whole list and it only has a total of 22 different users in it and a grand total of 39 results. That is surprising as the Time Spy list has 899 results. Older Time Spy lists from the 1080 onwards have at least 16000+ results for the top of the line mobile cards so it will be interesting to see how many we will see for the 4090 after one year.
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    The m18 is a rather hefty device and I would not consider it a respectable effort by Dell if it could not at least sustain 160W on the CPU with a proper paste job - why make it so much heavier than other devices if it cannot at least achieve equally high performance with the added heft? That display looks nice though, should be an ideal fit for you!
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    I read somewhere else that MSI intentionally crippled their CPU because their power supply cannot keep up. They would need a bigger power supply or a Y-adapter and two power supplies but they are obviously too cheap to pursue any of those solutions. Instead they use the ancient 10+ year old 330W power supply design that everybody has used starting back in the days with Clevo and Alienware. You can see here that the GT77 could draw more than 400W but it is artificially crippled in order to not allow that power consumption for more than a few seconds: Oh and Razer is a complete laughing stock with that kind of power delivery to the CPU. I guess this is what happens when you get the Macbook equivalent among Windows laptops
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    @Snowleopard and others who want to maximize storage and did not know what to do with that 4th slot that would only go up to 2TB Sata this one may be for you: I have kept looking for this for a long time and finally Transcend stepped up the plate and now has a 4TB m2 form factor SATA drive with very good pricing and specs: https://www.transcend-info.com/product/internal-ssd/mts830s It will probably not be as good as the best SATA drives but in general Transcend produces solid products with a 5 year warranty.
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    That sounds rather dangerous and swapping a motherboard is a pita and a new GPU is very expensive so you may not want to do that anymore😄 Do you still run at 5.0 GHz all cores for the CPU? As an immediate measure you could get that fan profile changed and go down by 0.1 or 0.2 GHz - that will cost you 2 to 4% CPU performance at most (less if it is throttling anyway) and you will surely need 10 to 20% less power which will help a lot with temps. Recently got to play with a nice SL 10900K and X170SM-G that I got from brother @electrosoft and for a single CB R23 run it goes from 77°C 4.9 all cores 165W to 91°C 5.1 all cores with some appropriate undervolt. That is a lot more power for relatively little gain in performance, about 25% more power and less than 4% performance increase in this case so I will probably dial it down to 4.9 all cores as a daily driver, no need to overdo things.
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    Those GPUs can have a lot of thermal headroom with good cooling as they only need 175W - the MSI GT77 had a GPU temp of around 60 degrees without any additional cooling and I thought that was very low. The Asus numbers from you and others are really puzzling - it almost seems as if some of the much better numbers we see from reviewers are from special hand picked samples while some if not most of the regular units get a lot hotter than we see in reviews.
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    Come on guys, are you serious? 😄 I would love to get back MXM or preferably a better solution with more power and more bandwidth but I am pretty sure that even back in the MXM days reviewers did not get a package with a barebone and a bunch of GPUs - or CPUs for that matter. If I was a reviewer I would also not be keen to have bad review results explained by me supposedly being too stupid to properly install the hardware or to change something else before everything is working as it should - too many variables for this to make sense imo. What is evident though is that Clevo and at some point Alienware and MSI used to be in a position where they only had one single chassis for their barebones with screen options being the other variable whereas manufacturers like Asus and MSI these days have 4, 5 or even 6 presoldered models with a variety of CPUs and GPUs and then they may also have screen opions that would further complicate things. For the G18 I have seen in different territories: 13650HX with 4050 and 4060 13980HX with 4050,4060,4070,4080 and 4090 That would be at least 7 base models and they also seem to have at least two screens (1920x1200 and 2560x1600) so those are a lot of variations - no fun to manage the warehouse where all of those are stored.... Having worked with the last three Clevo chassis the only thing that is rather difficult to swap is the screen but the keyboard, CP'U and GPU are reasonably easy to swap, down- or upgrade.
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    Just have a look at this: Problems with TongFang / Uniwill based XMG laptops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc2DDklgiJU I still think they have pretty good laptop designs but quality seems to be an issue to a higher degree than with other maufacturers.
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