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Alfred will LOVE that 13900K 😄
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Wow, these things run HOT! Nothing that I would want anywhere near a laptop, especially these days. And while I admire what der8auer is doing it should not be almost mandatory to delid in order to compensate for a manufacturer failing to get basic things right in designing a CPU.
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Wow, now this is a surprise! Looks VERY interesting for some of us who actually want to use their X170KM-G away from the power outlet from time to time. Again I am puzzled why Clevo would not offer it as a stock option like other manufacturers do, just make the default Optimus off and the performance would be the same as without the option. Makes it even harder to respect them given the broken and limited bios they ship these with.
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I have been quite happy with the 10850K in my X170 with all memory slots and 3 out of 4 storage slots in use. CPU performance has obviously improved in leaps and bounds with Alder Lake and regarding single core also with Rocket Lake so there is no denying that a half decent laptop with a 12900H should give equal or better CPU performance. As for the other issues of being loud, hot and having short battery life that also applies to the SM-G version. The same goes for the assinine power supply design that forces us to always drag these two power supplies with us for no good reason except that Clevo was very very stupid when designing this power delivery train wreck.
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Just seeing this now, looks like silm pickings at the moment! With unknown needs for the upcoming years I would probably look into the GT77 / CreatorPro X17 and the Dell 7770 if it has to be something from this generation with up to 128GB memory and a 17+" screen. You may want to look into the warranty and downtime options offered by Dell and MSi as they may differ, there may also be a difference between the MSi workstation and gaming model. Generally speaking Dell will come out on top with regard to configurability and warranty and MSI will be ahead in raw performance and bios options. Dell will look more business like and less deep but you may still prefer the half stealthy half aggressive look of the MSI versions, for quiet typing and less RGB to deactivate you might want to go with the X17 instead of the GT77. Overall I find that Dell looks more solid and has a better keyboard layout but prefer the tactile feedback on the MSI keyboards and I also prefer their non-rubberized palm rests. MSI is all BGA now so that warranty may even be more important because a defective mainboard may really break the bank as both CPU and GPU are soldered to it We lovingly call that BGA book, BGA filth, craptop or turdbook 😄 With the Dell at least the GPU is socketed which reduce the potential for catastrophic failure but then you would probably buy warranty anyway so that point may be moot for your use case. Oh and one last thing: You may want to invest in a second 17.3" portable screen - I find at least one of them really helpful when on the road and for some time now they actually have 17.3" UHD screens available, for example this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284902126872?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nu0vana7reg&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=YOZgifDWTYu&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY I have the QHD version and it is really good and also costs less. if you resize to 150% anyway you may consider to go with the QHD screen.
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The GT76 had a higher power envelope and if they had kept this for the GT77 you could probably run the CPU at 150 instead of 75W. But as you say everything has gotten quite a bit more efficient over the years so without the ability to upgrade the flagships of yesterday just cannot keep up anymore. And yes, the new CPU is so much more efficient that at 75 Watt you will still be outperforming the 9900K by quite some margin - enjoy!
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Where was the GT77 discounted so heavily? You will probably get a 30 to 50% higher single run multicore bench in CB23 and if you are multi-tasking it is possible that you will see an even bigger improvement going from a maximum of 10 to 16 cores on the GT77. Are there specific reasons why you went with the GT77 instead of the GE77HX? Possible memory and/or storage expansion?
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It is quite obvious that you really want this one to work and rightfully so given the fact that it ticks all your boxes except for performance. And very good idea to just go with the stock heatsink first, maybe that will also be the heatsink that others get going forward so it will be a better representation of what they can expect with regard to performance. Looking forward to hear about possible improvement with the Honeywell pads, I have them on order, too.
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I would probably have gotten an X170 successor of that kind but most people are after the ultimate graphics performance so I can understand their reluctance. You can say what you want about Intel but the way they are producing their chips makes it quite easy to offer a socketed model for them, nothing that Intel really can do against it. Not so easy for Nvidia chips that cannot be bought freely on the open market. I feel that Nvidia uses this leverage to dominate and coerce manufacturers at will - aren't there laws against that and the lack of competition and progress that comes with it? In any case it should be possible to get a 3080 Ti desktop chip and build a 250W MXM successor with it or even a 300W GPU BGA monster but instead Nvidia prefers to dictate to buyers what they can and cannot do.
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This can of course be seen both ways and I agree that it looks like the blame lies with Nvidia, same as with the request by Tongfang/Uniwill to increase max power to more than 175W as their water cooling would allow for it - DENIED.
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LOL @ LilShit 😄 Very similar to my first thought when I discovered which platform Clevo had selected to allow use of the mighty 12900K while making a mockery of their X series that should have had that capability instead.
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Only reason I can think about is that Intel footed much of the bill. The X270 is a joke to the serious gamer, a joke to X170 owners who want a modular and (theoretically) upgradable successor and it also does not appeal to the thin and light crowd so I strongly doubt that Clevo would be so stupid to spend much money on such a misfire. Amen to that. Looking at Dell, HP and Lenovo having modular cards it leaves a very bitter taste that there wasn't already a proper Clevo DTR in this generation with everything including the 3080 Ti being available, at least for others. Clevo missed a huge opportunity.
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The GT77 is still a BGA book and that is something I do not like but at the very top of GPU performance we do not have a proper all-socketed alternative at the moment. So if you want to have top of the line now and if you also want to feel good about it there unfortunately isn't anything that will fit perfectly. When it comes to performance the GT77 will probably be best overall but you pay a hefty premium for 4 memory and storage slots each - do you need those and what do you have now? I am always limited as I want a big screen, 128 GB of memory and at the minimum 3 storage slots which makes for very slim pickings and I have now decided to at least wait for CES in January until I make my next move - that is unless something really cheap comes my way 😄 As for a true X170 successor if I'd known that it will be coming I would tell you to wait for it but as @jaybee83points out it may not even be up to Clevo to give us a truly modular design and then there are the sales numbers for the X170 that may or may not have been good enough to consider a successor.
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Have you ordered the pad version or the regular paste? Looks like Lenovo is using it with some success and Lenovo users even went back to it after trying other options that supposedly were better but not as long-lasting. In any case I am not sure how much Dell is to blame with the new heatsink design and how much the new chips are responsible. Looking at Lenovo and MSI where it is seemingly possible to sustain about 120W or more to the 12800/12900/12950HX chips it looks like it may be the new heatsink design and not the chip itself causing the lower performance.
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Much better to count on most people being sheep and being happy with whatever they are given - that way a CPU that could pull 100W or more often is reduced to 45 or 55W these days which guarantees fewer returns not only on the CPU itself but also on the motherboard it is soldered, too. Plus fans can stay silent at almost all times. Just look at the hoops that our 7770 owners have to jump through this generation which seems to be due to both electronically limiting power delivery to the CPU and also due to it thermal throttling much earlier. It is also easier to hide a bad paste job when the CPU is limited to a lower power delivery. That being said @win32asmguyhas done all future owners a great service by digging deeper into the CPU side of the 7770 chassis so that CB R23 results have increased by about one third which is fantastic.
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Tried XTU a few times but I found Throttlestop to be superior so hopefully Unclewebb will get around to it.
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With E-cores not going anywhere soon it would be cool if Throttlestop could introduce separate settings for P- and E-cores.
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Yeah, forgot to mention all-core undervolt but that probably opens another can of worms. In any case almost 15k CB R23 for the P-cores with only 75Watt is a huge jump compared to previous CPU generations.
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It is quite stunning that despite the HX processors being out for a while now there is not one single report of somebody undervolting an HX CPU. Hopefully @Aaron44126or @win32asmguywill get around to try it at some point.
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That is an understatement - 8 hours for a mobile workstation with this kind of capability is very impressive and when properly done it seems that these P and E-Core HX processors can achieve good battery life as can also be seen here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Titan-GT77-12UHS-4K-review-Elite-amongst-UHD-DTR-laptops.644290.0.html#toc-4 Even top of the line gaming laptops like the MSI GT77 get up to 7 hours of battery life on wifi or playing videos while the Razer Blade 17 at least almost makes it to 4 and 5 hours respectively. Compare that to the Clevo X170KM-G (Schenker XMG Ultra 17) that basically comes with its own USV but not much more:
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Thanks for digging that up as I had seen that one, too but was too lazy to look for it 😄 On a normal day my 7760 with I would guess a cooling system that is about average has a CPU power consumption between 10 and 80 Watt with most of the consumption being more between 15 and 60. It is sitting on a slow spinning fan and I barely hear it all most of the day, certainly not when it stays below 60 Watt. So I would always look for the processor that is more efficient starting at ca. 50 to at least 80 Watt as I can easily go that high intermittently without being annoyed by fan noise. Even a single run of CR23 Multi Core will not create much noise as with short power peaks the fans do only get louder for the second half of it and they go down quite fast after that, all in optimized mode.
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As I said 18" would fit within the dimensions of the bezel - the Dell logo would have to go though but I guess that is OK as they already did that in the XPS/Precision 5000 line. The bezels naturally would have to get slimmer but Dell already does that in the XPS / Precision 5000 systems and Apple has done that, too. When that works out HP, Lenovo, Asus, MSI can get the screen, too and in any case I doubt that it would be much more of an effort than the new memory they implemented - they only have to convince one manufacturer to build a screen for them and Asus has shown that it can be done even for the GX800 that probably sold less than 500 units worldwide and the big Dell workstations certainly will sell in higher numbers than that.
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The solution is to undervolt and limit multipliers. Then you have 14 or 16 cores with Intel instead of just 8 with AMD and that will make a difference for multitasking. I also want support for virtual machines, Thunderbolt and the best compatibility in other areas so unless AMD tempts me with a 16 core unlocked beast that at least offers Thunderbolt 4 I am unlikely to switch over and even then it will probably get released at a time when Intel releases their next gen HX processors with 8 + 16 cores and those will be hard to beat.
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I checked my 7760 and it would hold an 18" 16:10 screen with slighty slimmer bezels which should be entirely doable so they would not even have to increase the current form factor for that. I can see 18" 16:10 as some kind of common denominator as it would mean that the currently accepted biggest (least tiny) form factor wouldn't have to grow even bigger. It also allows for nice clean steps: 14, 16, 18" screens and maybe 20" at the top? OK, fat chance of 20" happening but 18" would be a good start as with a 16:10 screen it would mean almost 15% more screen real estate in the same form factor. As 16" 16:10 is just about the same height as a 17.3" 16:9 so it would also make more sense from that vantage point. Having a screen that is wider and taller is certainly more attractive than having a screen that is only wider, especially for a workstation.
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18 or even 19" 16:10 would be great for workstations. it would also help with necessary real estate for cooling, memory and storage. Did the insider mention a bigger screen size or only that Dell would phase out the 17.3 and 15.6 form factors? In any case in a machine with a bigger screen there would also be enough space for a 2.5" form factor data drive(s) and indeed it would be nice if it could have a multi purpose slot that alternatively could take a second battery but if the battery would be meant to have any capacity it would probably leave enough space for two 2.5" SSDs or one of those NVME monsters with a 2.5" form factor - I think they go up to 30TB now... It would also be great if via that slot or by some other means there would be some kind of connection that allows to use an external GPU without bandwidth restrictions and without having to use some kind of home-made solutions like the ones where the GPU is connected via an NVME SSD slot.
