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With a top end config you are probably looking at a board price of up to 2000$ whereas a mainboard for a Clevo DTR of old may be closer to 500. Also a great use of resources to toss aside all that tech when only the CPU, GPU or something on the mainboard isn't working anymore. If one is to keep a BGA book for any amount of time then not without an extended warranty that lets manufacturers deal with their product once it breaks.

That keyboard is essentially turning the ipad into a macbook of sorts and people complain that it is too heavy? Incredible! Stupid thinking like that should be called out whenever we encounter it. We need to speak up whenever we see something like that and answer directly to these misguided posts. Looking at the posts that complain about a 7lbs laptop you would think that the primary users of it will be teenage girls when in fact it will be adult men who are generally able to lift things that are a lot heavier than that. I have a variety of laptops that range from 8 to about 16 lbs and up to 10 I still find it OK to grab the laptop with one hand if it is stable enough, above that it does not feel right anymore but up to 12 lbs I would still consider the weight manageable. Now we can probably be lucky to ever get another laptop that weighs even 9 lbs. To be clear I am not a fan of weight for weights sake but more weight may for example mean a socketed CPU and/or GPU and a vapor chamber design, more slots for memory and storage and of course a bigger screen - hard to do all of that when 7 lbs is considered heavy already.

I need a laptop so these developments pain me. I got to tell you that you still have it so much better in the desktop space and the fact that laptops have fallen behind so much is only exacerbated by making them smaller and smaller while in a desktop you can go as big and crazy as you want compared to the ever shrinking laptop chassis. As for the companies they would probably produce more big laptops if they would sell better but the average consumer wants portability to an unhealthy degree and the likes of us just aren't numerous enough. A good example is the recent MSI "Titan" that in many reviews has been criticized for being so heavy when it is about 7 lbs in weight. That was considered relatively light for a 17" laptop not too long ago and look where we are now where this is as big and heavy as it gets.

Sounds very good - I have done up to 200 or 300 incremental backups and could still mount recover. That sounds pretty cool, still do not have that due to speed limitations in the possible locations. Folders are no problem at all and very easy to mount and access. I have started to use folder backup this year and it has been very helpful already for a number of occasions where an older version of a file needed to be accessed.

Get it, it is worth it. If you have the amount of storage you do you can even do the backups on a drive in your system so when your laptop has issues like the one you have now you can restore it no problem. I have been using an on-laptop and off laptop backup for some time now and it is the best solution for a laptop that usually is not always where the external backups are. In the paid for version Macrium now also has intradaily backups which assures that you can go back to right where you were before you installed some faulty drivers or other software mishaps. If you buy it please put in the code 1610ftwMR so that I get a bit of a commission - just kidding 😄 I like the program and have used it for about 16 years now.

We have a lot of smart stuff these days: high end processors with huge intergenerational multicore performance jumps (slightly) bigger screens coming back very smart unified vapor chamber designs models with pretty good bios options liquid cooling But no company is putting enough of this together and especially not in a socketed chassis. Still curious what that Razer will be able to pull off once it is out even though there is only so much that can be done in a slim chassis and with processors that in their deskop version consume up to 300W. https://wccftech.com/razer-blade-18-gaming-laptop-with-intel-24-core-i9-13900hx-5-4-ghz-cpu-leaks-out/

If it is the 18" screen that popped up before then it will not really cause laptops to get much bigger as the screen will only be about 5mm wider than the 17.3" screens we are used to have, probably would fit into the same size chassis as the X170 but 5mm wider. It will be about 27mm taller though which is nice for workstation use and the overall screen real estate will go up by about 14%. So we are unlikely to get back the taller and wider machines of the past but as somebody who needs a laptop I will take what I can get. Overall I am a bit tired of the whole laptop (non-)upgrading game and at this point I would probably settle for an 18" MSI with AM5 AMD socket if that is supported for several generations - something to play with for a number of years without the constant urge to upgrade. And MSI should be in a better position to support this than Clevo as they also build motherboards.

At least where I live I would only do that when I have tried everything that does not include opening the laptop. Not worth the hassle when performance is actually pretty good and there may be a bit of an issue with opening and repasting when this is a possible return/exchange candidate.

I would first exhaust all other options in the bios and with Intel XTU or Throttlestop. I think that others have mentioned that you should be able to sustain 75 to 80W in a longer Cinebench run and if you can get that then a repasting will probably not bring that much of an advantage. Your Performance settings are not much better though than a 7760 with the 11800H so there is the possibility that you got a real lemon in the heatsink department.

Do you have the Scar with the 3080 Ti? Only that model has the LM and vapor chamber. There is also a possibility that the Asus was somehow cherry picked if Jarrod got it from Asus themselves but 23K is imo entirely possible with LM and a vapor chamber and not too far away from what MSI delivers in the GE67 which does not have a comparable cooling solution. I think it is pretty annoying that there is very little individuality with regard to the ability to combine screens, cooling, CPU and GPU - why would I not want the vapor chamber with the 3070 Ti, too? When given the choice I am sure that many would like to pay a bit more for LM and the vapor chamber and avoid a laptop that runs hotter and throttles more.

Got an answer on Jarrod's site: He basically does 3 10 minute runs back to back with just enough time to capture the results. So if he gets for example runs of 24, 23 and 22K he will then average that to 23. He is also keeping the temps steady in his room at 21 degrees which makes his scores very much comparable.

Or throw in the 12850HX and the RTX A1000 for another 300: 7770 refurb That is a fantastic deal if Dell would sell the interposer for the classic RAM separately in case one needs more than what Dell put in.

Another review courtesy of pcmag.com https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/msi-creatorpro-x17 Overall rather positive but I got to laugh at the supposed lack of portability - if you cannot carry 7 pounds plus a smaller power supply for mobile use then it is probably time to do something about that, we used to carry a lot more and did not have that kind of especially CPU power at our disposal. As usual no mention of the true downside which is the soldered GPU and especially CPU but why mention it when it is mostly a thing of the past...

Had a GT77 to play with. In stock condition sustained power delivery was only about 125W but for single runs results could be quite extraordinary even without a cooling pad or running benchmarks in an artificially cold environment. This was only to get a baseline for comparison to a 12900HX so memory timings were left untouched. I would assume that a 12900HX will go beyond 27K as it should be better binned - this CPU could hardly get to 5 GHz for any amount of time and the single core score was 1930 at most vs. more than 2000 that I have seen for the 12900/12950HX.

If you don't play that often then it will be a great option to go that route and save some money, I think there is even an option that offers both NVME/M2 and TB cabling in case you find the NVME route too much hassle. In single core loads you may get about a 5% increase and probably you can also get a bit better multicore loads due to better binning. Realistically speaking this is not something that is worth 400 Euro more, better use that towards an external GPU and a better heatsink as has been discussed in this thread.

If graphics performance is important for you do yourself a favor and go with an NVME eGPU solution and get a Dell with that bottom SSD cover. You should get better and more consistent eGPU performance that way if you can handle the setup. I checked it recently with a VERY old ca. 2015 MSI GT72 and an RTX 3080 and without any overclocking or the like we got a 16200 GPU score in TimeSpy. It is also supposed to be much more stable and doesn't have the issues that some games are almost unplayable that you will encounter with Thunderbolt. If I was into that I would probably get the 7770 with the bottom port, a port saver for the SSD connector that eGPU holder, a power supply and a 4080 for about the price of a built in 3080 Ti. If you want to read more you can check this thread IU would think and of course this site: https://egpu.io/ And here a guy built this as an external graphics solution with his min PC: If you want to stay with Thunderbolt then I would suggest to wait until TB5 is out - that will add some much needed bandwidth and hopefully will also result in less issues with certain games.

Very nice temps and that is a very low temperature differential between cores!

Unfortunately the GT77 I had is gone again but I also had massive issues with p-cache. It crashed even at minus 50 mV at which point I decided that even less undervolting wasn't worth it as it would not help much to lower temps or power consumption. I doubt however that it was because of throttlestop as p-cache settings also caused crashes in Intel XTU. Where does Unclewebb live? We should somehow get something to him so that he can check out one of the newer systems for himself.

Nice results, are all the 10 and 30 minute runs done with the cooling pad?

It is the ship that hisses the white flag when it sees a benchmark on the horizon 😄 Kidding aside I would not be surprised if Dell is working on improving things on their side and in the end no manufacturer owes us anything and it is upon us to vote with our wallet. Last year my wallet voted for the 7760 but it is very unlikely that I will vote for the 7770 this year.

Temperatures are not the only issue, at some point you will need more power. There is no way that you can post those combined CPU and GPU scores with a sub 250W power limit - it is simple physics. As for the Asus he is only showing that the Asus is giving him 23.4K, not 26 - that is a big difference: And here he explains that the benchmark is not really one single run of 30 minutes but three runs of 10 minutes each averaged: Multi core scores are 3x 10 minute runs averaged together and represent a worst case after CPU boost periods expire. Higher scores are possible if you just run one single test. . Would be interesting to know how long he pauses between these runs as this will affect results. https://jarrods.tech/laptop-cpu-performance-in-cinebench-r23/ As for a workstation playing second fiddle to a gaming laptop wasn't that always the case? The only really powerful workstations that I know about were actually gaming laptops with little to no changes to their gaming version from the likes of mainly Clevo and MSI. From what I know they were always more powerful than Dell, HP and Lenovo workstations from their generation and up to a point that is fine as one gains other qualities. Only now people are getting upset as the gap gets so much bigger in this generation and this is made even worse by the fact that at the same time the performance gap between even the best laptop and the best desktop is getting bigger, too.

A review of the CreatorPro X17: https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=241&t=6688604&utm_campaign=idle_article&utm_content=3&utm_medium=idlebox&utm_source=mobile01&utm_term=idle No expense is spared to have expert reviewers on the job, quality reporting: Female highlights aside the review translates well to English and that young lady is along for the ride for a few more pics, no complaints from me.

To be fair I got a CB score of 26481 but only in a single run, 10 minute runs have been less great at ca. 21.5K. it is possible that liquid metal or better paste would have helped but that GT77 was returned and the seal wasn't broken. Best for a 10 minute run seem to be the 23K that have been posted by Jarrod's tech for the Asus. As far as 3DMark is concerned it seems that a wide variety of models achieve quite spectacular scores including a Lenovo and at least three MSI models, but they all have the 12900HX with identical performance specs. If you go for the leaderboard view it also declutters results a lot as only the best run from each user will be shown: The scores are so high that I can only assume that these guys somehow get around power limits as in my testing I found the GT77 to be severely power limited with temps hardly reaching 60 degrees and I assume that this would also go for other models from both MSI and other manufacturers.

Some new youtube videos about the 7770 directly and indirectly. praise: not so much praise plus a link of a productivity benchmark only dominated by gaming laptops: I guess you could say that MSI has a workstation with gaming laptop performance but then it is really a gaming laptop with some added certification for workstation use. Also interesting to see that again Asus comes out on top in that benchmark - they seem to have nailed their cooling for this generation.

If you print a stand anyway you could make it wide enough to fit two of these in between, after all they should only come out to 28cm wide. Main reason I went with the 20 cm version is that it also doubles as a stand - works well with the Clevo X170 and the 7760.