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I am told that there are people who might be interested 😉 Looking at how Intel is praising the 13900K it should be possible to achieve 30K+ CB R23 on the NH55 which is quite impressive and unlikely to be surpassed any time soon as the next generation mobile HX processors will not arrive before first quarter of next year and possibly even later.
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Yep, the inability to easily swap panels is one of the big mysteries of the laptop world. I cannot really see how it could be as easy as swapping an external monitor but framework level ease of installation will do already. It would make things so much easier especially with QHD currently being the ugly stepchild in many high end laptop designs and with flagship DTRs from both Dell and MSI not offering it.
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Indeed, that should be doable. An X170 successor not so much. Even inserting the proper microcode to allow the current chassis to continue with Raptor Lake would be a win.
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Yep - that is it - good idea but they fail in certain central points where it counts. Pricing is an issue with a mainboard at a price that costs more than an X170 mainboard and a 10900K CPU which to me sounds like a bit of a rip-off in their size and performance segment. Not saying they are overcharging based on the costs they have but this segment does not lend itself to such a modular product. But now let's imagine Clevo went that route of a replaceable motherboard: We could have swapped in a new mainboard into the X170 and went from the 1200 to the 1700 socket at a very reasonable cost of let's say 600 to 800$ - we could have gotten an upgrade and Clevo would have saved on chassis development cost. Pretty sure that many X170 owners would have done that upgrade So if Clevo took some pointers from framework I would now look forward to using my X170KM-G with the same GPU as before but with a brand new 13900K CPU. And don't get me started on the ease of swapping screens - would be great to switch more seamlessly between the different FHD, QGD and UHD options.
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Spoken like a true DTR snob 😄Still it is a nice little machine for people who do not need more and want to play around a little bit, even getting a good CPU sample in such a device would be fun that cannot be had with a BGA book. From my point of view our best hope would be a company like MSI producing an AMD based DTR. They have the best stock bios, they have done socketed before and they are in a better position to do it as AMD also supports them for their desktop mainboards so they will have a much better chance to make this work in a laptop, too. Of course then you see the GT77 and lose all hope for them again turning their back on Intel and BGA...
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Thanks, obviously the heatsink gets saturated very fast, that is a ca. 20% drop even in 10 minutes!
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On one hand Intel may be a better partner but on the other hand Intel changes sockets all the time. If they now released a socket 1700 compatible successor to the X170 it would again only last for one generation so for now it make more sense to improve the NH55 and wait for next year for the next socket that will last for hopefully at least 3 generations. Personally if such a laptop finally gets Thunderbolt 5 or better and something like Optimus I would prefer an AM5 socket flagship DTR now as the socket will be supported until at least 2025 according to AMD. Sadly it looks like AMD is not interested in ruling the (small) laptop DTR world which looks like a missed opportunity to me.
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Don't let us spoil the fun for you and your lady - most people are happy with 15.6" and 2 drives and memory slots each - unfortunately this is also the reason why I have exactly zero models to choose from this generation if I wanted a truly upgradeable (CPU) laptop 😒 I think the "fault" of the NH55 is also that it comes after the X170 chassis and it is a downgrade in just about every metric that is important for DTRs - and that is after the X170 already was a downgrade compared to the P870.
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When I saw this was coming out I found it deplorable: 17" or bigger screen? nope at least 4 storage slots? nope up to 128GB memory? nope big battery? nope optimus? nope big CPU TDP? nope big cooling capabilities? nope top of the line GPU? nope
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120W sustained for the CPU might be possible with a Clevo X170 style laptop with a unified vapor chamber and liquid metal but for that to happen a lot of things would have to move in the opposite direction from where they are moving now.
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That is an excellent CB R23 score and shows how much manufacturers leave on the table these days, shameful. Would you mind doing the 10 minute run, too? I expect it to be somewhere in between what you achieve with a single run and the 30 minute version.
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ASUS ROG G703GX - likely about to blow up
1610ftw replied to cucubits's topic in Components & Upgrades
Glad you got it repasted and that it is "only" an issue with the internal display. Your decision of course what to do next but you might want to at least keep it in some kind of shape that allows you to take it traveling as after all that is what a laptop is for 🙂 -
Sorry, I did not want to rub it in, I thought that you were thinking of returning the 7670 🙂 To be fair from what I am reading max performance seems limited out of the box but it can be improved and is of course not all that counts. The MSI Z17 performs better with two P-cores less but it is quite a bit worse than its smaller brother Z16P which is disappointing: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Creator-Z17-Laptop-review-What-are-creatives-and-gamers-getting-for-around-4-000-Euro.657318.0.html#toc-5
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In CB R23 it is more like 50% faster, it looks like the MSI is using a different CPU generation: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Intel-Core-i7-12800HX-is-insane-MSI-Raider-GE67-HX-12UGS-laptop-review.632780.0.html And to add insult to injury the GE67 is by no means massive, in fact even the "slim" 7670 is heavier than the GE67 by about 10% (2.724 vs 2.469) and possibly also a bit taller. I assume that one of the reasons for the added weight is that MSI is all BGA and this will save some weight. Personally I would prefer more weight and socketed hardware but what do I know. In any case more weight and significantly worse performance is rather disappointing. The X17 probably is a bit lighter than the 7770 but it also is a lot deeper. As for the Z17 it stinks, stay away if you want proper performance.
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We certainly are on the same page but manufacturers these days are not even on the same bookshelf any more. They proudly parade their regression for all of us to see like for example MSI who reduced the sustained power draw for GPU and CPU from well in excess of 300W to 250W. Or Dell that had a power draw of - oh wait they did not really have that as those Area 51m went up in flames. And then Clevo who for this generation do not even have a proper flagship model any more, let's hope it will return with Raptor Lake.
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More cooling is indeed very bad as your laptop may get a little bit heavier and most of all a bit more expensive to produce. Never mind that it would also: - run cooler - produce less noise - last longer - clock higher And we all know that nobody would want that...
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The lack of ambition even in top of the line products is rather sickening.
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For a new machine this is the worst temperature differential between cores that I have seen!
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This is the best DTR related news in a long time! 18" 16:10 in 2560x1600 with 480Hz refresh would appeal to both gamers and for productivity work as a middle ground between the Full HD and UHD and it is a logical step up from the 16" 16:10 screens that seem to be the new normal. I would have preferred bigger but at least we again are back to the screen real estate of those old 18.4" 16:9 screens. I also looked this one up on Ali Express and it says "only" 165Hz and a low 600:1 contrast, hopefully the contrast number is incorrect and also the refresh rate seems to be a bit too with others offering up to 240Hz with QHD: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/18-0-inch-laptop-lcd-screen_1600479779605.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.17.130869e6zLx4xw
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I would be fine with that but as I mentioned I always fear that we might lose certain capabilities when companies think that automatic is good enough.
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I think there is a place for pre-maxed out hardware and there is a place for hardware with more room for improvement. Intel usually excels in the second domain and AMD more in the first - boring but too close to max performance out of the box. I had a BGA book over with really bad out of the box performance with its 12700H but with a little bit of playing around increases of 20 to 25% in multicore performance were achieved which is a lot more satisfactory then getting something in that cannot be improved even if the performance end result is the same. Ultimately there was no way to adjust voltages and multipliers which is a big no-no but at least a bit of fun could be had with increasing and decreasing power limits to find the sweet spot for multicore benching.
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My experience is that when manufacturers give us something automatic they also have the arrogance to take away customizability as they deem not necessary anymore. There rarely are examples of both coexisting. So I understand @Mr. Fox who possibly has observed that, too. I couldn't care less about lazy underachievers getting better performance out of their chips and those who really care about that are getting limited by the manufacturers because they deem their automatic options to be good enough. And if a manufacturer really manages to do extremely well compared to an experienced overclocker/tweaker despite allowing him all the tools that he needs then I will be the first to recommend their products but do not expect too many examples of this any time soon.
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Yeah, I figured that your lady would not care that much and be happy with what she has 🙂 Waiting for prices to go down sound like a good idea in that case and besides you have your hands full with your new AMD rig 😉 I would also think that this generation will be reasonably close and I agree on competition. Gotta hand it to AMD for pushing both Intel and Nvidia!
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Something tells me that you will be crazy enough to try even that one on poor Alfred 😄 Some very smart people at Intel and yet they seem to have trouble to get comparisons with their competitors right - wonder why that is... But yeah, same old same old and the reason why I do not even look at the comparisons any more that a company does with others. Intel against Intel, AMD against AMD or Nvidia against Nvidia is fine but not this kind of bullshit - waste of time.
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