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It is the ship that hisses the white flag when it sees a benchmark on the horizon 😄 Kidding aside I would not be surprised if Dell is working on improving things on their side and in the end no manufacturer owes us anything and it is upon us to vote with our wallet. Last year my wallet voted for the 7760 but it is very unlikely that I will vote for the 7770 this year.

Temperatures are not the only issue, at some point you will need more power. There is no way that you can post those combined CPU and GPU scores with a sub 250W power limit - it is simple physics. As for the Asus he is only showing that the Asus is giving him 23.4K, not 26 - that is a big difference: And here he explains that the benchmark is not really one single run of 30 minutes but three runs of 10 minutes each averaged: Multi core scores are 3x 10 minute runs averaged together and represent a worst case after CPU boost periods expire. Higher scores are possible if you just run one single test. . Would be interesting to know how long he pauses between these runs as this will affect results. https://jarrods.tech/laptop-cpu-performance-in-cinebench-r23/ As for a workstation playing second fiddle to a gaming laptop wasn't that always the case? The only really powerful workstations that I know about were actually gaming laptops with little to no changes to their gaming version from the likes of mainly Clevo and MSI. From what I know they were always more powerful than Dell, HP and Lenovo workstations from their generation and up to a point that is fine as one gains other qualities. Only now people are getting upset as the gap gets so much bigger in this generation and this is made even worse by the fact that at the same time the performance gap between even the best laptop and the best desktop is getting bigger, too.

A review of the CreatorPro X17: https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=241&t=6688604&utm_campaign=idle_article&utm_content=3&utm_medium=idlebox&utm_source=mobile01&utm_term=idle No expense is spared to have expert reviewers on the job, quality reporting: Female highlights aside the review translates well to English and that young lady is along for the ride for a few more pics, no complaints from me.

To be fair I got a CB score of 26481 but only in a single run, 10 minute runs have been less great at ca. 21.5K. it is possible that liquid metal or better paste would have helped but that GT77 was returned and the seal wasn't broken. Best for a 10 minute run seem to be the 23K that have been posted by Jarrod's tech for the Asus. As far as 3DMark is concerned it seems that a wide variety of models achieve quite spectacular scores including a Lenovo and at least three MSI models, but they all have the 12900HX with identical performance specs. If you go for the leaderboard view it also declutters results a lot as only the best run from each user will be shown: The scores are so high that I can only assume that these guys somehow get around power limits as in my testing I found the GT77 to be severely power limited with temps hardly reaching 60 degrees and I assume that this would also go for other models from both MSI and other manufacturers.

Some new youtube videos about the 7770 directly and indirectly. praise: not so much praise plus a link of a productivity benchmark only dominated by gaming laptops: I guess you could say that MSI has a workstation with gaming laptop performance but then it is really a gaming laptop with some added certification for workstation use. Also interesting to see that again Asus comes out on top in that benchmark - they seem to have nailed their cooling for this generation.

If you print a stand anyway you could make it wide enough to fit two of these in between, after all they should only come out to 28cm wide. Main reason I went with the 20 cm version is that it also doubles as a stand - works well with the Clevo X170 and the 7760.

Not really my experience with benchmarks and in real life use but then these SSDs do not stay below 30 when not idling, in use they are usually closer to 40 and with heavier use they can go up to about the mid to high 50s.

Hehe, good reason and thanks for the numbers 😄 If you get this one and some kind of rubber feet you will not even need a stand when you do not type on the laptop when at home: https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a20-pwm-chromax-black-swap There is also a 5V version that could probably be regulated with a fan controller but I used this one and it runs at its slowest setting here at 5 instead of 12V and my 7760 sits on it. Really brought down the SSD temps that now are mostly between 25 and 40 degrees.

That is a big improvement! Any reason why you are running Cinebench for 6 instead of 10 minutes?

If you already repasted then something is very much not right with 100+ degrees idle so in my opinion you should return it. You may ask for a refund, a replacement or you could go for maximum savings and get one of these: https://tinyurl.com/7670-outlet

At the same 175W power limit that Nvidia seemingly intends to keep I would assume a ca. 20 to 35% increase depending on which desktop chip Nvidia chooses to castrate for mobile use. I think the top CPU is also interesting as it will allow for much higher multicore performance at the same power level. Performance increases will be substantial for the 13900HX when running between 80 and 125W which I would consider entirely reaiistic in a properly designed laptop. But to make use of all of this the most interesting thing about the next generation will hopefully be the improved thermal design and increased power limits that could come with it. A vapor chamber solution for the top of the line 7780 and a bigger power supply would show us that Dell means business. When I recently checked out the MSI GT77 with the 12800HX and the 3070 Ti the power draw went up to almost 270W and with potentially beefier hardware 230W just won't cut it anymore so there should be a bigger power supply, too. The timing is also pretty good as with GaN power supplies we will be able to say goodbye to those 3 pound 330W power bricks that we are still seeing this generation.

There is a new 18" screen around from what it seems and even that would fit so 17" would be easy: https://www.panelook.com/N180JME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55484.html https://www.panelook.com/N180GME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55483.html As much as I like 18" and I would most probably buy a laptop with that screen or a bigger one it is unlikely that it will appear in the Dell workstation as long as there is only one resolution available. Dell likes to offer more than one resolution in their workstation and 17" 16:10 would be a better choice as they could offer 1920 x 1200, 2560 x 1600 and 3840 x 2400 screens.

I went software RAID because I had read up on it before and it was predicted that it would be faster and easier to handle. I looked it up back then and saw similar results from others and was a bit disappointed, too but it was on a laptop so there was no way to try different stuff. As I assume you would try that with your brand spanking new motherboard you may end up with much faster speeds so I would say go for it when your two drives are full 🙂 18TB is a nice size for a backup drive and I always try to have backup for everything because even a collection of recordings and movies may take days to restore when one SSD / drive in a RAID 0 fails and I simply do not want to spend time on that. Also I have more than once accidentally erased something but I was able to restore it from a backup - never discount the possibility or user errors that I am told are often more frequent than hardware errors 😄 That surely is all quite strange - not that I would be affected much if it was only an issue with W11....

Thanks, just found it as a spare, too: https://www.ebay.com/itm/225171289649?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vEvDB76LRTS&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=qo2ADUZqR_-&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY That should hopefully result in substantial improvement for @ATAN

7670 heatsink: 7770: I would not say that this looks like that much of an improvement. But if it has to be a Dell then it is most probably the best you can do.

Should be easier to get the stock heatsink for systems with a GPU? https://www.ebay.com/itm/295059238559

Tom's hardware article about the issues: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-performance-advisory Supposedly not due to Windows 11 but then it has only been confirmed to have happened on W11 systems from what I have seen? Looks like there is a lot of tiptoeing going on and I can imagine that if W11 is the culprit they do not want to expose it as it is already on too many systems. If it is due to the new 40xx cards causing issues only because of bandwidth then it may still only be a windows issue.

I have a RAID 0 exactly for improving sequential speed, giving me about 700 to 900 MB/s over network. It is only 2 x 2TB WD blue in my MSI GT75 as it only have one 2.5" slot and the cheap M2 version is limited to 2TB and all slots are already occupied so that will have to do. You might be disappointed by the way if you add another drive as the speed increase will be more like another 20% on top from what I remember when I tried this once And I hope you got a proper backup for all that stuff as RAID 0 without a backup is not something I would recommend 😄

THIS Currently we are being taken for a ride by SSD manufacturers and if you are getting a laptop they now basically force everybody to get that ultra expensive stuff if they want more storage or they have to get crappy QLC. By reducing the max number of drives to only two in all but the biggest systems you have to pay even more if you want more than a few TB of storage as then it quickly gets VERY expensive. If it has to be below 100 per TB and not crappy then at 4TB there is only the 2.5" form factor with indeed Samsung and WD offering the best combination of durability and life expectancy and a relatively modest price.

W11 is trash indeed - it makes a windows PC look like a bad copy of a Mac and takes hours and hours to regain most of the functionality that we finally got in W10. I have one system that runs it as I was interested in having Android apps on a Windows system for certain reasons but they even fucked that one up offering the Amazon instead of the google playstore - what a monumental fail. Also agreed on SSDs - for storage it would be nice to have classic TLC based SSDs with lower speed as a cheaper option but there aren't any bigger ones in the m2 form factor and looking at non-QLC m2 form factor SSDs of 4TB and above it makes me think that producing these must be like printing money:

Tell them that everybody is scratching their heads at the utterly insufficient cooling and power envelope especially of the 7770 but also the thick 7670. Vapor chamber would be the best way forward indeed and it seems to work very well with the 5760.

That is blazing fast and about 12 times as fast as my transfers get which are mostly via network. With an MSI laptop I would suggest to run cooler boost when transferring files at that speed and lacking that you will need to have a look at other ways of cooling. At those speeds I am not surprised you are seeing overheating at all. Two 4TB drives is indeed massive but you may also just pack in an additional SSD when on the go, something that fits your system should be 500GB tops. You can then back up your system on the second SSD and the likelihood of both your system and your other SSD failing at the same time is not higher than before but you will have a lot more space if you just take that small drive with you where you can recover your system partition, too.

You put in a lot of posts here and I am sure you attracted a bunch of HP users to this subforum 👍 But yes overall it is still not that much traffic. I also miss the HDX Dragon thread from the old forum - that one was massive and brought me to that forum 🙂 To be fair the Lenovo and Asus sections of the forum also aren't very big, the big sections are Sager/Clevo because of their socketed gaming offers and as expected Dell/Alienware for gaming and workstations. If HP got their act together instead of locking down their workstations and pricing them higher than comparable offers by Dell the pendulum may swing to their side but they do not even have a bigger screen on offer any more which makes them less interesting even though this little workstation packs a punch with its hardware. And ironically the by far biggest thread here is mostly dedicated to desktop hardware overclocking not least because of the industry essentially giving up on truly exciting designs and performance in laptops with Nvidia being the main driver of that downward spiral with their increasingly gimped top of the line mobile GPUs that leave no room for companies who want to do better.

I would also prefer separate SSDs without any RAID configuration. In a laptop a RAID configuration is too limiting imo except for very special cases.

How fast is the transfer? I think that with some of these newer drives transfer speed is so extremely high that they get hot much faster than they used to. These days I always try to increase fans for longer transfers to add cooling to the SSDs but I understand that many laptops do not allow it. On the Dell 7760 I can get sustained transfers in the 300 to 400 GB region that would not see the SSD go over 60°C and that is without ramping up the fans but my Dell is sitting on a 200 mm Noctua fan which helps. Those are about 700 to 1000 MB/s and write only while on newer drives and with internal transfers you may be looking at much higher transfer speeds and you are at the same time reading and writing on the same drive which is a worst case scenario. May I ask why you are using RAID1? Seems like it is pretty limiting especially when you only have the capacity for two drives?