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If graphics performance is important for you do yourself a favor and go with an NVME eGPU solution and get a Dell with that bottom SSD cover. You should get better and more consistent eGPU performance that way if you can handle the setup. I checked it recently with a VERY old ca. 2015 MSI GT72 and an RTX 3080 and without any overclocking or the like we got a 16200 GPU score in TimeSpy. It is also supposed to be much more stable and doesn't have the issues that some games are almost unplayable that you will encounter with Thunderbolt. If I was into that I would probably get the 7770 with the bottom port, a port saver for the SSD connector that eGPU holder, a power supply and a 4080 for about the price of a built in 3080 Ti. If you want to read more you can check this thread IU would think and of course this site: https://egpu.io/ And here a guy built this as an external graphics solution with his min PC: If you want to stay with Thunderbolt then I would suggest to wait until TB5 is out - that will add some much needed bandwidth and hopefully will also result in less issues with certain games.

Very nice temps and that is a very low temperature differential between cores!

Unfortunately the GT77 I had is gone again but I also had massive issues with p-cache. It crashed even at minus 50 mV at which point I decided that even less undervolting wasn't worth it as it would not help much to lower temps or power consumption. I doubt however that it was because of throttlestop as p-cache settings also caused crashes in Intel XTU. Where does Unclewebb live? We should somehow get something to him so that he can check out one of the newer systems for himself.

Nice results, are all the 10 and 30 minute runs done with the cooling pad?

It is the ship that hisses the white flag when it sees a benchmark on the horizon 😄 Kidding aside I would not be surprised if Dell is working on improving things on their side and in the end no manufacturer owes us anything and it is upon us to vote with our wallet. Last year my wallet voted for the 7760 but it is very unlikely that I will vote for the 7770 this year.

Temperatures are not the only issue, at some point you will need more power. There is no way that you can post those combined CPU and GPU scores with a sub 250W power limit - it is simple physics. As for the Asus he is only showing that the Asus is giving him 23.4K, not 26 - that is a big difference: And here he explains that the benchmark is not really one single run of 30 minutes but three runs of 10 minutes each averaged: Multi core scores are 3x 10 minute runs averaged together and represent a worst case after CPU boost periods expire. Higher scores are possible if you just run one single test. . Would be interesting to know how long he pauses between these runs as this will affect results. https://jarrods.tech/laptop-cpu-performance-in-cinebench-r23/ As for a workstation playing second fiddle to a gaming laptop wasn't that always the case? The only really powerful workstations that I know about were actually gaming laptops with little to no changes to their gaming version from the likes of mainly Clevo and MSI. From what I know they were always more powerful than Dell, HP and Lenovo workstations from their generation and up to a point that is fine as one gains other qualities. Only now people are getting upset as the gap gets so much bigger in this generation and this is made even worse by the fact that at the same time the performance gap between even the best laptop and the best desktop is getting bigger, too.

A review of the CreatorPro X17: https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=241&t=6688604&utm_campaign=idle_article&utm_content=3&utm_medium=idlebox&utm_source=mobile01&utm_term=idle No expense is spared to have expert reviewers on the job, quality reporting: Female highlights aside the review translates well to English and that young lady is along for the ride for a few more pics, no complaints from me.

To be fair I got a CB score of 26481 but only in a single run, 10 minute runs have been less great at ca. 21.5K. it is possible that liquid metal or better paste would have helped but that GT77 was returned and the seal wasn't broken. Best for a 10 minute run seem to be the 23K that have been posted by Jarrod's tech for the Asus. As far as 3DMark is concerned it seems that a wide variety of models achieve quite spectacular scores including a Lenovo and at least three MSI models, but they all have the 12900HX with identical performance specs. If you go for the leaderboard view it also declutters results a lot as only the best run from each user will be shown: The scores are so high that I can only assume that these guys somehow get around power limits as in my testing I found the GT77 to be severely power limited with temps hardly reaching 60 degrees and I assume that this would also go for other models from both MSI and other manufacturers.

Some new youtube videos about the 7770 directly and indirectly. praise: not so much praise plus a link of a productivity benchmark only dominated by gaming laptops: I guess you could say that MSI has a workstation with gaming laptop performance but then it is really a gaming laptop with some added certification for workstation use. Also interesting to see that again Asus comes out on top in that benchmark - they seem to have nailed their cooling for this generation.

If you print a stand anyway you could make it wide enough to fit two of these in between, after all they should only come out to 28cm wide. Main reason I went with the 20 cm version is that it also doubles as a stand - works well with the Clevo X170 and the 7760.

Not really my experience with benchmarks and in real life use but then these SSDs do not stay below 30 when not idling, in use they are usually closer to 40 and with heavier use they can go up to about the mid to high 50s.

Hehe, good reason and thanks for the numbers 😄 If you get this one and some kind of rubber feet you will not even need a stand when you do not type on the laptop when at home: https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a20-pwm-chromax-black-swap There is also a 5V version that could probably be regulated with a fan controller but I used this one and it runs at its slowest setting here at 5 instead of 12V and my 7760 sits on it. Really brought down the SSD temps that now are mostly between 25 and 40 degrees.

That is a big improvement! Any reason why you are running Cinebench for 6 instead of 10 minutes?

If you already repasted then something is very much not right with 100+ degrees idle so in my opinion you should return it. You may ask for a refund, a replacement or you could go for maximum savings and get one of these: https://tinyurl.com/7670-outlet

At the same 175W power limit that Nvidia seemingly intends to keep I would assume a ca. 20 to 35% increase depending on which desktop chip Nvidia chooses to castrate for mobile use. I think the top CPU is also interesting as it will allow for much higher multicore performance at the same power level. Performance increases will be substantial for the 13900HX when running between 80 and 125W which I would consider entirely reaiistic in a properly designed laptop. But to make use of all of this the most interesting thing about the next generation will hopefully be the improved thermal design and increased power limits that could come with it. A vapor chamber solution for the top of the line 7780 and a bigger power supply would show us that Dell means business. When I recently checked out the MSI GT77 with the 12800HX and the 3070 Ti the power draw went up to almost 270W and with potentially beefier hardware 230W just won't cut it anymore so there should be a bigger power supply, too. The timing is also pretty good as with GaN power supplies we will be able to say goodbye to those 3 pound 330W power bricks that we are still seeing this generation.

There is a new 18" screen around from what it seems and even that would fit so 17" would be easy: https://www.panelook.com/N180JME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55484.html https://www.panelook.com/N180GME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55483.html As much as I like 18" and I would most probably buy a laptop with that screen or a bigger one it is unlikely that it will appear in the Dell workstation as long as there is only one resolution available. Dell likes to offer more than one resolution in their workstation and 17" 16:10 would be a better choice as they could offer 1920 x 1200, 2560 x 1600 and 3840 x 2400 screens.

I went software RAID because I had read up on it before and it was predicted that it would be faster and easier to handle. I looked it up back then and saw similar results from others and was a bit disappointed, too but it was on a laptop so there was no way to try different stuff. As I assume you would try that with your brand spanking new motherboard you may end up with much faster speeds so I would say go for it when your two drives are full 🙂 18TB is a nice size for a backup drive and I always try to have backup for everything because even a collection of recordings and movies may take days to restore when one SSD / drive in a RAID 0 fails and I simply do not want to spend time on that. Also I have more than once accidentally erased something but I was able to restore it from a backup - never discount the possibility or user errors that I am told are often more frequent than hardware errors 😄 That surely is all quite strange - not that I would be affected much if it was only an issue with W11....

Thanks, just found it as a spare, too: https://www.ebay.com/itm/225171289649?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vEvDB76LRTS&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=qo2ADUZqR_-&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY That should hopefully result in substantial improvement for @ATAN

7670 heatsink: 7770: I would not say that this looks like that much of an improvement. But if it has to be a Dell then it is most probably the best you can do.

Should be easier to get the stock heatsink for systems with a GPU? https://www.ebay.com/itm/295059238559

Tom's hardware article about the issues: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000-performance-advisory Supposedly not due to Windows 11 but then it has only been confirmed to have happened on W11 systems from what I have seen? Looks like there is a lot of tiptoeing going on and I can imagine that if W11 is the culprit they do not want to expose it as it is already on too many systems. If it is due to the new 40xx cards causing issues only because of bandwidth then it may still only be a windows issue.

I have a RAID 0 exactly for improving sequential speed, giving me about 700 to 900 MB/s over network. It is only 2 x 2TB WD blue in my MSI GT75 as it only have one 2.5" slot and the cheap M2 version is limited to 2TB and all slots are already occupied so that will have to do. You might be disappointed by the way if you add another drive as the speed increase will be more like another 20% on top from what I remember when I tried this once And I hope you got a proper backup for all that stuff as RAID 0 without a backup is not something I would recommend 😄

THIS Currently we are being taken for a ride by SSD manufacturers and if you are getting a laptop they now basically force everybody to get that ultra expensive stuff if they want more storage or they have to get crappy QLC. By reducing the max number of drives to only two in all but the biggest systems you have to pay even more if you want more than a few TB of storage as then it quickly gets VERY expensive. If it has to be below 100 per TB and not crappy then at 4TB there is only the 2.5" form factor with indeed Samsung and WD offering the best combination of durability and life expectancy and a relatively modest price.

W11 is trash indeed - it makes a windows PC look like a bad copy of a Mac and takes hours and hours to regain most of the functionality that we finally got in W10. I have one system that runs it as I was interested in having Android apps on a Windows system for certain reasons but they even fucked that one up offering the Amazon instead of the google playstore - what a monumental fail. Also agreed on SSDs - for storage it would be nice to have classic TLC based SSDs with lower speed as a cheaper option but there aren't any bigger ones in the m2 form factor and looking at non-QLC m2 form factor SSDs of 4TB and above it makes me think that producing these must be like printing money:

Tell them that everybody is scratching their heads at the utterly insufficient cooling and power envelope especially of the 7770 but also the thick 7670. Vapor chamber would be the best way forward indeed and it seems to work very well with the 5760.