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  1. 1610ftw
    Does that mean you are getting 125 + 25 vs 150 + 25 or is that 125 including turbo? Judging by your timespy benchmark it looks like 125 including turbo and I agree that it should be better, at least 12.5K should be possible even with a 150W TGP.
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    You will have a better start with just about any other solution (MSI, Lenovo, HP) when it comes to the cooling hardware but the software and this great community could mean that Dell will end up as number two even in CPU performance. The MSI CreatorPro X17 / GT77 chassis can get into the higher 25K regions without even opening it so there definitely is something left on the table there and I expect it to be able to crack 26K. Of course there is more to a workstation than a high Cinebench score but the Dell is rather unlikely to end up in top spot due to its inferior cooling solution even though you and others did a great job getting around that. Achieving a more than 50% increase over the benchmark as it is coming from the factory is crazy and both a testament to you and a testament to the carelessness with which Dell is throwing away performance. As for service and support, different options for screens and GPUs there is no contest as Dell has all of that covered much better, really a very good overall package and what I would recommend to people who want to keep their laptops for more than three years.
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    Well said and indeed I put the wink in there for a reason so congrats to people who a Micro Center close by and all the others are better off trying not to think about those stores too often 🙂
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    Sounds like another case of life being unfair. Or like something to consider when looking for a nice place to live 😉
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    I will say that by all accounts the Nvidia cards are still the rulers of the desktop GPU world and it is very impressive what they have accomplished. Because they have done so well in the desktop world it hurts even more that they brazenly continue with their disingenuous ways. We used to have TGP parity between laptops and desktops and now we get more like a 2.5:1 ratio instead, not to mention the other limitations of the mobile "4090" that I am sure will all come to light in due time. This has to be one of the biggest mislabelings ever in the industry when it comes to components. By now Nvidia could just admit that this is a completely different ballgame between mobile and desktop and rename their cards accordingly but then people may be unwilling to pay 4090 desktop dollars to get at best 4070 desktop performance or at least this is how things look like now. It would be great if AMD released a proper mobile card with at least a 250W TGP to kick some mobile green ass. Add a flagship DTR chassis and the AM5 socket for the CPU and I will gladly buy an all AMD DTR flagship.
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    Not from the US so not quite sure how this works. They have a relatively low cost plan where you can bring in a component that you bought from them and then you get to replace it with its successor? That kind of sounds too good to be true (and not very lucrative for Microcenter) so maybe I am missing something?
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    You will see less limiting in higher combined CPU and GPU loads but it will probably make a lot less of a difference with CPU heavy loads. In any case the top of the line GPU choices are quite costly so you'll save a lot of money going with the RTX A1000. And if you need more GPU perfomance then the sensible thing is to stop at the RTX 4500 which already is a high performance card but a lot less costly and less power hungry than the two top cards.
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    Yep, most probably the power limit. The 3080 Ti will draw so much power that there isn't that much left for the CPU. It is probably unreasonable to expect a regular workstation to excel with a combined CPU/GPU load when comparing it to systems that can allocate up to 250W combined for the GPU and CPU.
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    Possibly cost savings play a role but making these savings in the most expensive models that both Dell and MSI offer seems misguided. It is also possible that there is a certain arrogance where engineers think they can do what they always do and that a vapor chamber is not really needed in a bigger and/or thicker chassis. Whatever it is hopefully this will change.
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    It's all good, I thought it was kind of cool to get those benchmarks and then walk away as you want more sustained performance. Best sustained performance seems to be with the Asus 17" Strix vapor chamber model this year although I am not so sure how much of the performance is due to the vapor chamber and how much due to the completely unified heeatsink and liquid metal application. MSI GT77 and CreatorPro X17 seem to have at least similar overall cooling capability it seems but their heatsink is much less unified with much of their cooling capacity not used to the fullest degree for CPU heavy workloads and they do not have liquid metal either. So Asus is ticking all the boxes this generation with regard to cooling: - big enough cooling solution with vapor chamber - fully unified design for maximum performance of either CPU or GPU - liquid metal application from the factory - fans positioned at the two corners of the chassis for maximum air exchange with the outside About that 3DMark score: Which score, processor and benchmark? Couldn't find you there.
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    It seems that for both Dell and MSI in this generation the more sophisticated vapor chamber designs are relegated to thinner laptops with lesser specs where apparently manufacturers feel they are really needed due to these models being thinner and more compact. As if an HX CPU with a top of the line GPU wasn't reason enough to implement a vapor chamber!
  12. 1610ftw
    MyPC8MyBrain: Gets fastest CB R23 of all members in this thread on his 7670 (!) and then returns it because he thinks It's not good enough 😄
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    This - we often get stupid tech with unnecessary hurdles when it comes to servicing and improving upon that tech - laptops are an excellent example, smartphones and tablets another one. We should get more capable tech AND better access to service/improve upon it, not the other way around. Just something simple like fan control in a laptop is a great example. Save for a fail safe where at some point fans ramp up and/or the hardware throttles down there is no reason why with almost every laptop manufacturer there is no proper option to control fans. Even something as simple as that has been relegated to the many things that the laptop manufacturers "decide" for their customers and it has been like that for a long time - not going to happen in a proper desktop PC!
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    I am told that there are people who might be interested 😉 Looking at how Intel is praising the 13900K it should be possible to achieve 30K+ CB R23 on the NH55 which is quite impressive and unlikely to be surpassed any time soon as the next generation mobile HX processors will not arrive before first quarter of next year and possibly even later.
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    Yep, the inability to easily swap panels is one of the big mysteries of the laptop world. I cannot really see how it could be as easy as swapping an external monitor but framework level ease of installation will do already. It would make things so much easier especially with QHD currently being the ugly stepchild in many high end laptop designs and with flagship DTRs from both Dell and MSI not offering it.
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    Indeed, that should be doable. An X170 successor not so much. Even inserting the proper microcode to allow the current chassis to continue with Raptor Lake would be a win.
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    Yep - that is it - good idea but they fail in certain central points where it counts. Pricing is an issue with a mainboard at a price that costs more than an X170 mainboard and a 10900K CPU which to me sounds like a bit of a rip-off in their size and performance segment. Not saying they are overcharging based on the costs they have but this segment does not lend itself to such a modular product. But now let's imagine Clevo went that route of a replaceable motherboard: We could have swapped in a new mainboard into the X170 and went from the 1200 to the 1700 socket at a very reasonable cost of let's say 600 to 800$ - we could have gotten an upgrade and Clevo would have saved on chassis development cost. Pretty sure that many X170 owners would have done that upgrade So if Clevo took some pointers from framework I would now look forward to using my X170KM-G with the same GPU as before but with a brand new 13900K CPU. And don't get me started on the ease of swapping screens - would be great to switch more seamlessly between the different FHD, QGD and UHD options.
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    Spoken like a true DTR snob 😄Still it is a nice little machine for people who do not need more and want to play around a little bit, even getting a good CPU sample in such a device would be fun that cannot be had with a BGA book. From my point of view our best hope would be a company like MSI producing an AMD based DTR. They have the best stock bios, they have done socketed before and they are in a better position to do it as AMD also supports them for their desktop mainboards so they will have a much better chance to make this work in a laptop, too. Of course then you see the GT77 and lose all hope for them again turning their back on Intel and BGA...
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    Thanks, obviously the heatsink gets saturated very fast, that is a ca. 20% drop even in 10 minutes!
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    On one hand Intel may be a better partner but on the other hand Intel changes sockets all the time. If they now released a socket 1700 compatible successor to the X170 it would again only last for one generation so for now it make more sense to improve the NH55 and wait for next year for the next socket that will last for hopefully at least 3 generations. Personally if such a laptop finally gets Thunderbolt 5 or better and something like Optimus I would prefer an AM5 socket flagship DTR now as the socket will be supported until at least 2025 according to AMD. Sadly it looks like AMD is not interested in ruling the (small) laptop DTR world which looks like a missed opportunity to me.
  21. 1610ftw
    Don't let us spoil the fun for you and your lady - most people are happy with 15.6" and 2 drives and memory slots each - unfortunately this is also the reason why I have exactly zero models to choose from this generation if I wanted a truly upgradeable (CPU) laptop 😒 I think the "fault" of the NH55 is also that it comes after the X170 chassis and it is a downgrade in just about every metric that is important for DTRs - and that is after the X170 already was a downgrade compared to the P870.
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    When I saw this was coming out I found it deplorable: 17" or bigger screen? nope at least 4 storage slots? nope up to 128GB memory? nope big battery? nope optimus? nope big CPU TDP? nope big cooling capabilities? nope top of the line GPU? nope
  23. 1610ftw
    120W sustained for the CPU might be possible with a Clevo X170 style laptop with a unified vapor chamber and liquid metal but for that to happen a lot of things would have to move in the opposite direction from where they are moving now.
  24. 1610ftw
    That is an excellent CB R23 score and shows how much manufacturers leave on the table these days, shameful. Would you mind doing the 10 minute run, too? I expect it to be somewhere in between what you achieve with a single run and the 30 minute version.
  25. 1610ftw
    Glad you got it repasted and that it is "only" an issue with the internal display. Your decision of course what to do next but you might want to at least keep it in some kind of shape that allows you to take it traveling as after all that is what a laptop is for 🙂
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