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I suggest to try Clevo Fan Control. It is not a better alternative than a working version of the Obsidian Fan Control but overall I found it to be the next best option and it is free.
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P750DM-(G) Dsanke BIOS does not work with BGA1440 CPUs
1610ftw replied to Alex69's topic in Sager & Clevo
When you can get it cheaper that is a very good reason to get it but the poster I answered to wanted to get it to use less power and for that the 9980HK is not a good option. As you have one can you also comment on the chip height? I seem to remember it was a bit higher than standard Coffee Lake (refresh) height so whoever wants to use it may run into issues with a a laptop with a unified heatsink but then may this is not a much of an issue or there are different designs out there. -
Cooling won't be a problem as the 1080s in the GT83 are the full fat 200W version and from what I recall all the MXM 2080s from MSI were limited to 150W. Pretty sure though that extensive modifications of the cooling system will be necessary, not to talk about making the GT83 recognize the 2080 cards.
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If you unlock the last official bios from Clevo you will find it in the options. It is discussed in some detail in the KM-G thread.
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Looks good, nice combo of temps and score! With a 200W power draw you will get closer to 15500 but that is only of interest if you like CPU benching 🙂
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Not so sure you are that limited thermally as to not make use of a 9900K - it usually is better silicone and you could limit all core speed to not exceed the power uptake of your 8700K which at up to 150W is quite substantial 😄 The heatsink for the 20xx and 30xx GPUs looks very nice indeed and I see that you got very good temperatures for the CPU and GPU in your Time Spy run! Taobao has a bunch of fans. Probably best to get the ones that are supposed to have maximum airflow and if needed reduce their speed.
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Great job and that CPU score and total score in Time Spy will skyrocket with a 9900K but you know that 😉 Which heatsink did you get from Ali Express?
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I see two systems here with the 11700K and heat issues and the problem is that the 11700K most of the time is a badly binned 11900K which needs a lot of power anyway. Without undervolting and at up to 5 GHz one will see lots of power consumption for little added gain. With temperatures going very high and the system shutting off several things may apply: 1. the CPU power limit is reached 2. the system power limit is reached 3. the CPU temperature limit is reached Looking at a temp of 98°C and up to 200W power consumption I would suggest to limit CPU power consumption to between 150 and 165W and adjust the CPU accordingly with Throttlestop for something like this: Cores 1 to 2: 49 or 50 Cores 2 to 4: 49 Cores 5 to 6: 48 Cores 7 to 8: 45 or 46 depending what is needed to go to lower power consumption. Start with a -75 undervolt and take it from there, maybe you can get back up a bit with the multipliers but it is a starting point. To give an idea of possible savings I tested a 10850K that would take up to 222W at 4.7GHz effective all core speed and with an undervolt it would go to less than 170W and I would expect it to be stable at 180W at most. Going down to 4.6GHz from there would have resulted in another reduction in power consumption of around 15W so with a performance reduction of about 2% and undervolting it was possible to go from 222W to about 165W for a ca. 25% reduction in power consumption with effectively no meaningful loss in performance. That is a lot less heat and imo it is the way to go for longevity and more stable gaming and productive use, too.
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Sorry to hear that 😒 Do you have a high rez pictures of the inside? It would help to have big pictures of the QC code on the fans. Have you checked out the HP disassembly videos on YouTube? A quick search brings out a bunch of Omen 16 videos: https://www.youtube.com/@HPSupport/search?query=omen 16 And what does it say on the fan you got, do they show a product number?
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Just moved around some files via my GT75 with 10G ethernet and found a nice Time Spy score. The GPU score was pretty much near the top of the 1080 / 8750H combo at the time but the CPU score was hampered by only having one memory stick on the other side of the mainboard and I wasn't going to take it apart to make it dual channel: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/37523217
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Yes that is a case where it would probably make sense to use the watercooling solution. I bought that heatsink myself but as my usage turns out to be lighter (last I looked it was about 150 to 200W for 6 to 12 hours per day) and the water cooling heatsink is quite heavy and thge setup would be a bit tricky so I do not feel that I really need it and I will most likely sell it again. @MaxxD should be able to fill you in as he has an X170 with the heatsink and also with the regular heatsink, too.
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The 11700K and the 3070 are not that demanding, have you considered going with a repaste and new pads instead? The watercooling will be very nice when you want it quiet - that is not possible with the classic cooling solution.
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We all know how painful a reinstall is, hope you do not have to do it!
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Yeah I guess I could do some of that but I like to know what I can get with the stock hardware and at room temperature which is usually between 19C and 23C, my freezer is more like 5C 😄 I have no issues installing two operating systems in fact I have two W10 and one W11 that are currently running on the Raider. I do however have issues with W10 Pro, 14th Gen and Hyper-V which apparently is not that rare. I am sure this can be solved but it is annoying to see these things not working properly because we are only supposed to use W11 with 13th and 14th gen.
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W10 has been used for that bench already but I need to figure out if I want to use W10 or W11 going forward for my working system. I would prefer W10 but I am having issues with HyperV causing a BSOD on W10 after installation, got to look into that. Another alternative might be W11 LTSC as it should disable many of those new upcoming features. On one hand I would like to keep W10 and on the other hand getting W11 to run without it doing the typical W11 things is also something that looks like it may be worthwhile, it is certainly not that clear cut when one needs to use W10 and I am not keen of swapping back and forth all the time, no interest in wasting a lot of time given the amount of programs and customization needed. Yes I know you have that cooler that can potentially lead to loss of hearing at full blast but not really interested in that. Liquid cooling is more interesting as it can increase sustained performance at non-deafening levels. As it is with MSI cooler boost I can score 35.3K for a 10 minute run which is exceptional but it would be even nicer if I could do that with lower temps and an acceptable noise level. Haha, I usually draw the line at benching computers as I find even that a huge time drain and if I started to bench tablets and phones, too that would be too much.
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Haha, it is strange how some us us seem to like benching more than gaming 😄 My kids on the other hand are gaming A LOT and almost never bench. Nah, no cracking of 40000 - the Raider misbehaves at the moment, must have installed something that limits me to a lower power envelope which means about 34K CB R23 max. Of course 34K at is good enough for work but still disappointing when I could easily get over 38K without too much of an effort. For all I know it may have something to do with the install of the 3Dmark suite but I do not have that much free time on my hands at the moment to check it and the first order of the day is to get W10 up and running in the way I want.
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Firestrike seemed easy enough, temps were pretty good at 55C and 74C average but then I did not make any effort with the CPU so it could have gotten hotter. On Time Spy GPU is about 10 degrees hotter at most and I would have been able to go higher with a lower temperature as the top ranked scores are all below 60 and sometimes below 50C with the exception of the first one which I expect may be shunt-modded. You did well to get that far with the Acer as its cooling is let's say limited. I NEVER have gamed on any of my laptops, my sole interest is in CPU performance and other features and the GPU usually comes with the territory when one wants a high performing CPU 🙂 Yes, pretty busy here, need to test performance with W10 vs W11, hope it still works out for W10 with proper E-Core integration. I like the MSI but it was a choice of necessity as once I had a closer look at my checklist that is topped by 18", good accessibility and 3 SSDs it was only two MSI laptops. The Alienware M18 could have been a candidate but it has an inverted motherboard that is not easily accessible and I am not a fan of such a design. If 2 memory slots, 16" and 2 SSDs do it for you then there is probably a great deal to be had on some 4080 Lenovo laptop - they seem to be pretty solid and I like their keyboard layout. Stability is an issue of course and my regular setup is so that I achieve about 2150 in CB R23 single core and around 34000 in multicore, that runs cooler and performance is still great.
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Hope you manage a good life extension for your Omen and yes with old games you will be fine 🤜
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I got the Raider for the combination of looks, performance and features and I would not be surprised if its gaming performance is not that much different or slightly inferior to others based on its 4 memory slots. Still 21K TimeSpy graphics is not too bad and the CPU performance with the stock overclocking bios is probably at the top of its class among non-modified laptops. It can be reached without any modifications, just the right settings and of course one needs a decent CPU and not a complete stinker. Oh and I tried Firestrike and got a nice GPU score, let's just say it was a bit of a learning curve 😄 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/32069955
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The Predator 16 probably has inferior cooling and limited power uptake, the Raider can run the CPU with up to about 250W, it is only important to hide it from him or it will power throttle 😉 Not that this would be sustainable of course but when only a single run is needed... So for a 10 minute run it would be about 34000. I also tried Time Spy but it was only between 19900 and 20800 which is not that great, would have to check how much I can get in Firestrike I see you top the rankings so I will have to see if I can get you 😉 Not that total scores would be that great as the CPU needs far too much power to achieve high scores on a limited power budget.
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New laptop to play with, new score. Started out with 37K plus after a bit of tweaking but finally managed to go quite a bit higher: That is the MSI Raider 18 HX and in this generation it looks like the best option for my needs and taste.
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That looks a lot better!
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Form 100C to 79C is pretty crazy! You must have had huge intra-core differences before the delid/relid!
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There you go - no reason to pay 10 to 11 times as much as SO-DIMM street prices for a 32GB or 64GB CAMM upgrade! I also find it quite ridiculous how Dell claims that they want to bring a new standard to the industry with these modules - must be new standards for price gouging...
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For multipurpose Windows use the 4K screen with 150 DPI would be my choice but for any gaming with higher refresh rates you will not be happy. So you need to decide if you have to game on the laptop itself - and which games you play - or if you can use an external display for gaming and then decide accordingly. Personally I would go with the QHD 165Hz and if that is important to you you may want to try and find an option that also gives you GSync although at that resolution/refresh GSync may not be that much of an issue. The 165Hz QHD screen has a number of advantages imo: Refresh rate is high but not excessively so it does not need calibration to look good as it is SRGB only which makes for more natural colors (no oversaturation) it can be run at 100% with no scaling and therefore it is compatible with a wide range of operating systems as an aftermarket modification it can be had for very cheap over here in Europe and I guess elsewhere, too As I said above my second choice would be the 4K screen and the third would be the 1080p screen.
