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Does seem like a good deal; I just spec'ed out a similar Precision 5770 and it ended up at a bit over $4,000. (XPS 17 and Precision 57X0 are basically the same, other than the GPU options — they have the same chassis, same cooling system, same display, same battery, same BIOS even.) Plus there is the fact that you can order the XPS and have it in less than two weeks. When Precision 7X70 launches, I'd bet Dell will be showing an ≈8 week estimated turnaround, but a lot of people will start receiving theirs "early" at 5-6 weeks. XPS / Precision 5XXX is a no-go for me... no numeric keypad, only two NVMe slots, etc.. I intend for this to be a very long-lived system so I am less concerned about the cost. (My M6700 has lasted me for just about ten years.) Everything is a tradeoff. Got to decide what is worth it for you.

This information came from a Chinese rep (they seem to be a bit more loose about what they give out). It is not confirmed, plans can change up until the last minute. The launch will be global when it happens.

Working ETA for ordering 7X70 right now is June 7.

Hello and welcome. Always glad to see Precision users stop by here 😄 Do stop by the Precision 7X60 thread with any questions (or make your own dedicated thread if you see the need). There are a few active users who know the ins and outs of the system, and we are also interested in delving into quirks or things like that to help out future visitors. (You might also find the old NBR thread interesting. Seems like things are most active when the system is new and people are just figuring it out.)

There are extra steps needed. You have to wipe the drive and enable hardware encryption with a Samsung tool, do a fresh Windows install, and set up group policy to allow hardware encryption for BitLocker. (Windows defaults to software encryption unless you override with group policy, because not all drives support hardware encryption without easy bypasses.) There is no BIOS setting needed other than TPM enabled. Group policy – https://admx.help/?Category=Windows_10_2016&Policy=Microsoft.Policies.VolumeEncryption::FDVEDrive_Name Set up Samsung drive – https://helgeklein.com/blog/how-to-enable-bitlocker-hardware-encryption-with-ssd/ Fresh Windows install is required after enabling hardware encryption on the drive. If you want to use an existing install, you need to do a new install and then replace the C partition only with your old install. – https://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/05c0e0a2-79b1-4eff-837d-376ff97da0ce/hardware-encryption-is-not-enableable-after-a-system-image-backup-is-restored?forum=win10itprosecurity (last few posts)

Precision 7670 spec sheet has been updated; i7-12800HX and i9-12900HX removed, just like with the Precision 7770.

First, there are other features that these support besides ECC. See the list here. Because the CPU is soldered, Dell has to produce basically a different motherboard model for each CPU that they want to offer. It makes sense to limit the choices where they can. If 12900HX and 12950HX cost the same (within a few tens of dollars, maybe) then why not just cut out 12900 and offer only 12950? It will save them supply chain and inventory complexity. ECC will be offered, just not right at launch. If you order the system with a CAMM module then you cannot switch to SODIMM later (...unless you manage to find the SODIMM interposer/adapter somewhere to purchase).

There was a Twitter leak on March 27 with some specs, including the first mention of CAMM memory modules. The same guy posted another tweet a bit later with a promo image showing what the CAMM module looks like. Media picked up on this later in April and there were quite a number of articles complaining about Dell hawking a proprietary memory standard and eschewing end user memory upgrades. (See last post of page 6 of this thread, leading into the following pages for discussion here.) Dell's April 26 Precision 7X70 announcement was timed with this PC World article which more properly explains CAMM along with information about Dell trying to get it in front of JEDEC to make it a proper standard. Regarding ECC memory, this will only be supported with SODIMM modules and the CAMM/SODIMM interposer (two modules max). These won't be available at launch; it will be CAMM only, with the SODIMM interposer + SODIMM configs available some weeks later. There is potential for 64GB ECC support if 32GB ECC DDR5 SODIMM modules are available. (Alphabet soup.) Do keep in mind that all DDR5 modules feature on-die ECC, which offers some protection against memory errors on the module (but not errors in transmission to/from the CPU). It's part of the spec now and should make them a bit more robust than DDR4 (non-ECC) modules. Here's a video about it.

They don't support it with a password from the BIOS (AFAIK), but you can use it from the OS (i.e. BitLocker) — hardware encryption available if you set up the configuration appropriately and the drive supports it. I don't see self-encrypting drive bundled with the system as an option with current XPS 15/17, but you can get it with Precision 5X70, or purchase your own drive.

Spec sheet for the Precision 7770 has been updated. CPU options are now: i5-12600HX i7-12850HX i9-12950HX As @AL123 mentioned before, only vPro options are present and the non-vPro 12800HX and 12900HX are cut. (Doesn't matter that much, price is pretty much the same.) The 7670 spec sheet still shows all five CPU options but it could still have an update pending...

XPS 17 has a pretty interesting thermal system with DOO fans and a vapor chamber. This document describes it (see page 2-3) — it's about the Precision 5750 but XPS 17 uses the exact same chassis / cooling setup as Precision 57X0. (This was for the 2020 / 10th gen model. 11th and 12th gen models don't seem to have changed the cooling system up much.) https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/workstations/industry-market/precision-thermals-brief-042320.pdf XPS 15 has a more "traditional"-looking cooling system but it also looks like newer ones also have DOO fans to help keep the surface temperature down. Obviously XPS is on the thinner side and won't have thermal performance in line with a more beefy laptop. You can help reduce temps & fan noise somewhat by running without turbo boost enabled when you don't need it, and in the case of 12th gen, booting CPU-consuming background tasks to the E cores. (A tool like Process Lasso can set CPU core affinity for certain processes and have it stick between different launches of the process, or across reboots.)

I've mentioned this in other topics, but I am writing up an article so that I have something to point back to. The audience for this would specifically be laptop users who are concerned about fan noise or surface temperatures in their system. Intel continues to push the turbo power limits higher and higher, which means more heat and noise when the CPU enters high turbo boost states. The CPU does adjust its speed dynamically based on load, but it is (IMO) a bit too eager to hop to high turbo boost speeds when the workload does not call for it. Web browsing / office workloads do not really need turbo boost speeds, and there may be times when you would be willing to sacrifice speed for quiet. You can save yourself some power/heat/noise by having the CPU run at the base clock speed. So, here are a few tricks that you can use to enable and disable turbo boost on the fly. I personally run my laptops with turbo boost disabled, using one of these methods, and I flip turbo boost on only if I need additional CPU power (maybe gaming, intense database work, or some other kind of number crunching). I have a few different methods for this, and I will lay them out sort of from least complex to most complex (...and, they build on each other to some degree). For most people, I think that the first method will work fine. Using the power slider (Windows 10) Use the balanced power profile. Under advanced power settings, set the maximum processor state to 99%. Side note: If you do not see these power options, then you most likely are running Windows 10 on a system that supports modern standby. This page has a PowerShell script that you can run as administrator to restore these options. You can just copy/paste it into a PowerShell window running elevated. Thanks to @heikkuri for pointing me to this. I'm also including the script here in case something happens to that page... Now, set the power slider that appears when you click the taskbar battery icon to the setting that is second from the right ("better performance"). Note that Windows remembers the power slider setting separately for if you are on AC power or battery power, so you might want to check both. With this setup, turbo boost is disabled. You can confirm by checking the Task Manager "performance" tab. The CPU speed should stay below the CPU's base frequency (probably mid-2 GHz range, depending on the CPU model), no matter what load you throw at it. If you need more CPU power, just move the power slider to the right. Turbo boost speeds will be enabled immediately. (The "Maximum processor state" setting is ignored while the "Best performance" profile is active.) ...You can set the maximum processor state value to something lower than 99% if you find that simply disabling turbo boost is not effective in achieving your desired power/heat/noise limit. Lower values will further reduce the maximum CPU speed. Moving the power slider to the right will also still remove any limits on the CPU speed. (This also works with Windows 11, but it is much less convenient... Microsoft removed the power slider and replaced it with a drop-down in Settings under Power Management, so you would have to go digging in there to switch between "Better performance" and "Best performance".) Alternatives to the power slider (for Windows 11?) You can use the method above, paired with this third-party app BatteryMode. This app runs as a tray application and allows access to the same settings that the Windows 10 slider gives... albeit they are presented as radio buttons and not a slider. Set "Balanced" to disable turbo boost and "Best performance" to enable it. (See the section above, the maximum processor state must also be set to 99%.) Here, I disabled the "classic" power profiles in BatteryMode settings for a simpler view. Also, I have produced a command line tool which can adjust the power slider value that works on both Windows 10 and Windows 11, if you would like to work on your own automation. This post on StackOverflow has answers that describe how to manipulate the slider value from C#/.NET, Python, or PowerShell. Switch between "Balanced" and "High Performance" power profiles We don't have to use the Windows 10 power slider. You could instead switch between the "Balanced" and "High Performance" Windows power profiles and use that to control the turbo boost state. Set the maximum processor state to 99% on the "Balanced" profile (as described above), but leave it at 100% on the "High Performance" profile. Now, turbo boost is disabled if you are in the "Balanced" profile but enabled if you are in the "High Performance" profile. You can switch between the two on the fly. To quickly switch between profiles, you could use BatteryMode (also described above), with "Classic power schemes" activated... or, just some terminal commands. Balanced profile: powercfg -s 381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e High performance profile: powercfg -s 8c5e7fda-e8bf-4a96-9a85-a6e23a8c635c (Maybe put them in batch files and pin shortcuts to the Taskbar or Start Menu. I've used this paired with another command that switches the Dell thermal mode between "quiet" and "performance".) Quick update. Windows 11, version 22H2 does not allow you to use the "High performance" power profile at all. You'll have to clone the "Balanced" profile and make adjustments to the copy. You can do this with: powercfg /duplicatescheme 381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e It will output in the console what the GUID for your new power scheme is. You can change the name with: powercfg /changename NEW-GUID-HERE "New Name Here" Use "Processor performance boost mode" instead of "Maximum processor state" The methods above rely on setting the "Maximum processor state" to 99% to disable turbo boost. There's a different option for this which is a little bit better, but it is hidden by default. The downside to 99% maximum processor state is it actually locks your CPU slightly below the base frequency. A full CPU load will have the CPU reporting 96-99% use in Task Manager and not 100% and it will always stay just shy of your CPU base frequency. The proper option to use is "Processor performance boost mode". To enable this setting, go to regedit and navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\be337238-0d82-4146-a960-4f3749d470c7 Find or create the value "Attributes" (DWORD) and set the data to "2". Now, there is a new setting on advanced power settings: "Processor performance boost mode". Set it to "Disabled" on the Balanced profile and leave it at the default on the High Performance profile. (Set "Maximum processor state" back to 100% on the Balanced profile as well.) ...There are a number of other settings for this one and I do not know what they all do. Now, switching between the Balanced and High Performance profiles will disable or enable turbo boost as described in the previous section. However, using the power slider to dynamically enable or disable turbo boost does not work with this method. If you want to use the power slider then you must set "Maximum processor state" to 99%. I learned about this from this article which is talking about the same thing. Automatically switch power profiles when certain applications run Instead of having to "remember" to adjust the power slider or switch power profiles when you are running an application that needs more CPU power, you could have a tool do that for you. Process Lasso has the option to select a specific power profile when a certain process runs. Set it to use "Balanced" by default and "High performance" when you launch a game or something CPU-intensive. Somewhat unrelated but I figured that I would note: With an Intel 12th gen or later CPU (with separate P cores and E cores), there can also be a reduction in heat/noise by locking CPU-consuming background processes to the E cores only. You can also handle this in Process Lasso with process affinity rules.

I put more stock in @yslalan‘s reps than mine. June 7 seems reasonable. I suspect May 10 was supposed to be their announce date (timed with Intel's Alder Lake HX announcement), but they were somewhat forced to move it up because of the CAMM leaks and negative press regarding that.

Picked this up. These games have been on my to-play list forever and I only have the first one on Steam. Hope to get around to it soon… There’s just too many games and not enough time.

Nothing official. I've been told by reps multiple times that we should be seeing something before the end of next week. I'm not putting full stock in that, but we're at the point where the launch could come literally any day. (Well, I don't think a Friday launch is likely so really the next possible launch date would be Tuesday 5/31, with Monday being a U.S. holiday.) Keep an eye on this thread. I have multiple triggers in place — Feedly automatically scanning for the support page to go live, for drivers to go up, and for either the U.S. or China sites to list the system on the order page. I'll post here as soon as I see anything...

Did anyone order a Precision 7X60 with the cheapest 256GB / 2230 drive option? I'm wondering how the 2230 drive fits in, and if it could be easily swapped out for a 2280 drive. I didn't realize that they were offering anything other than 2280 drives. Do they use an extender to bring it up to 2280 size, or do they actually have a smaller plastic caddy thing (& heatsink) that they use for this configuration? [Edit] Looking like they only put the 2230 drive into one of the secondary slots, so the primary slot "caddy" doesn't matter?

Pretty sure they only use 2280 drives in these systems (even if you order low capacity). That's definitely been the case for every 7000-series system that I have seen. [Edit] Nevermind, I see that they specifically say 2230 for the 256GB in the Precision 7760 now. They must use an extender or something to have it fill the 2280 drive slot. (No idea if they use the same heatsink between the two. I would suspect so but that shouldn't be taken as a confirmation.) There's a "problem" that the primary SSD slot also uses a plastic caddy thing to hold the drive in place. If they have a different size caddy for the 2230 drive then that would be a tricky part to replace to install a 2280 drive. You could still install a 2280 drive in a different slot without issue... Unless you plan to order with 256GB/2230 and then intend to fill all of the slots with 2280 drives. Anyway. I'll see if I can find a better answer on this. [Edit 2] It looks like they only ship 2230 in one of the secondary slots, and they include an extender and full-size heatsink.

For Precision 7000 series, heatsinks and screws are included with the system for all drive slots, whether you order the system with a drive populating that slot or not. Empty slots will have the heatsink and a little foam spacer beneath it that you can easily remove. Also there is some plastic film covering a thermal pad on the drive side of the heatsink that you need to remove when actually installing a drive. I don't think this is necessarily the case with 5000 series. (At least 57X0 supports two drives, so there could be one empty slot when you receive the system.) 5000 series shares the chassis/design with XPS so it probably wouldn't be that hard to find the part on eBay. (Or you could use a third-party heatsink, as long as it fits.)

I think the fact that they chose to build Win10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 on Windows 10 and not Windows 11 speaks to how "ready" they think that Windows 11 is (or isn't) for enterprise / long-term support. (Windows 11 actually released before Win10 LTSC 2021 did.) There will be a LTSC version that is not based on Windows 10 in approx. 2.5 years (late 2024). That would presumably be Windows 11, but who knows if we'll be talking about Windows 12 by then... I've had multiple systems last through 5+ in-place upgrades without issues. (Windows 7 -> Windows 8 -> Windows 8.1 -> different versions of Windows 10.) I think as long as you keep the system pretty clean then there shouldn't be any issue with this. It was a bigger problem in the "old days" when Windows was changing a lot more (i.e. Win9x->XP->Vista).

New NVIDIA GPUs support only eDP, so if you have an LVDS panel, you do need Optimus to get any display output. ...However, QHD+ should be eDP, you couldn't run that off of LVDS. But, it's possible that the T1000 doesn't like the eDP setup in the M4800. @Trov got T2000 working but did mention that he is using Optimus.

Yeah, so from pictures we have seen, it does look like the CAMM module can be swapped out by removing the bottom cover (no need to take out the keyboard and such). And it also looks like they're going to sell the CAMM modules separately (...they have shown up as separate items on the Dell parts list). But with Dell being the only source of CAMMs, for now, I have a hard time believing it will really be much cheaper to buy them separately this time around. We'll see, soon... Though if you want to buy the system right at launch, I'm thinking that the individual CAMMs won't be available until maybe a few weeks later. Also, I am wondering how "finicky" the CAMM contact will be. Looks like it will require pretty precise alignment to get proper contact between the CAMM module and the motherboard. It doesn't snap in like a SODIMM, it's more like two boards that have to be pressed on top of each other just so. Hopefully there is something in the system to help with this physical alignment and make it reasonably foolproof.

Build 22621 is Windows 11 22H2 ("final"). https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/267597/microsoft-finalizes-windows-11-version-22h2

Dell U.S. can't quote these yet. [Edit] I was poking around the China site to see if they had listed 7X70 (they have not), and I noticed Precision 7X60 systems are not available for sale anymore there?

It can vary in some cases. As I recall, @Ionising_Radiation got a 7560 with 1080p panel that had pretty bad PWM ... but then had the panel replaced under warranty and they swapped in a different model 1080p panel that was much better. But yes, if this is something that you are sensitive to then it would probably be best to wait for feedback from other users. (They often have multiple panel models that they are using in these systems for a given spec, but I imagine for the high-end panels like the OLED or 120Hz, they just have one. Also, Dell won't honor warranty requests to install a specific panel in the case that they have multiple in use. It's a "you get what you get" situation.) Dell does offer returns for a refund (within 30 days, I believe) but there's still the hassle of how long you have to wait between ordering and receiving a system... Very nice, in that case I will be calling up the sales office here in a bit.

I'm a believer in letting information flow to you, and not having to go and seek it out. In light of this... I'm scraping the Dell support/driver pages and using it to create an RSS feed. If you use a feed reader and one of these systems, you can use the feed to be informed of when new drivers drop. The feeds also include BIOS updates and some Dell software application updates. Right now I'm only grabbing drivers for Windows 10 and 11 (no Linux or older versions of Windows). If there are any other systems that you'd like to see a feed for, let me know and I will add it to the list. Dell Precision 13th gen / Raptor Lake (2023) Precision 7780 • Precision 7680 12th gen / Alder Lake (2022) Precision 7770 • Precision 7670 11th gen / Tiger Lake (2021) Precision 7760 • Precision 7560 10th gen / Comet Lake (2020) Precision 7750 • Precision 7550 9th gen / Coffee Lake refresh (2019) Precision 7740 • Precision 7540 8th gen / Coffee Lake (2018) Precision 7730 • Precision 7530 7th gen / Kaby Lake (2017) Precision 7720 • Precision 7520 6th gen / Skylake (2015) Precision 7710 • Precision 7510 4th gen / Haswell (2013) Precision M6800 • Precision M4800 3rd gen / Ivy Bridge (2012) Precision M6700 • Precision M4700 2nd gen / Sandy Bridge (2011) Precision M6600 • Precision M4600