MyPC8MyBrain

use HWiNFO or hwmonitor tool (i prefer hwmonitor simplicity) to see what is going on behind the scenes with thermals, Mhz, volt & wattage consumption, and many other critical stats when you run tests on your systems or at idle, you will gain a lot more insight to your systems behavior,

in performance it is thermal throttling on you, the same goes for optimized (Balanced), give cool in bios a go, you should complete most cpu task much faster and remain cool to the touch,

the 4 power plan in bios needs overhauling, these been dragged over and over from previous generation and don't really fit the bill for these new powerful cpu gpu combo floating the market now days, if we take a closer look half of them are pointless and obsolete, Balanced cannot really balance this many cores, gpu, and igpu efficiently, Cool is the only viable option for daily driving this chassis comfortably, Quit is completely obsolete and pointless, there are no spinning drives etc. to govern now days (nor further ramping down of fans is really desired for these powerful combos), Performance just drives everything too hot for daily driving with chassis limited thermal capabilities, (although performance in bios and classic S3 balanced or power saver in windows is manageable for daily use)

not seeing bios version, are you on the latest 1.6.3?

did you make sure in bios under performance menu "Intel Turbo Boost Maximum Technology 3.0" is turned on? is that 4.4 number static or fluctuating each boot? it might just be counting the min and max Mhz it run that session that far, it ramped to max 4.4 and run as low as 800,

here is a little farewell gift to my Dell 7X70 fam all 2352 visible and hidden bios options extracted into easy to use and read format, proceed with caution, with great power comes great responsibility! All setup_var Bios 1.6.3 Options 7X70.txt plain command list Bios 1.6.3 7X70.txt (some of the variables may be listed under other menu options not CpuSetup) all menu options Name: SaSetup Name: MeSetup Name: CpuSetup Name: PchSetup Name: SiSetup Name: Setup Name: BoardInfoSetup Name: PciBusSetup Name: SetupVolatileData Name: SetupCpuFeatures Name: CpuSetupVolatileData Name: TbtSetupVolatileData Name: MeSetupStorage Name: DebugSetupVolatileData Name: TcgSetup Name: IccAdvancedSetupDataVar

@operator YVW 😉 original high score was with LM TIM, granted these scores can be further improved, i only run 2 tests for each phase, i didn't spend too much time trying to get the highest score in each test, whichever the highest score out of the two was i recorded and moved on, so further tinkering and more patience can yield better result, this run was very good for on the fly test and was one of the highest score overall for either unit, as a baseline and tuning progression i think these tests represents this unit fairly, i would have kept it if 30%-50% were not neutered from the gpu and cpu, overall yes it gets hot and will get hotter under heavy loads which is acceptable and expected, this is still a robust versatile workstation platform with allot under the hood, but it can be set to run very cool and packs allot of punch, it just lacks adequate thermals to get the most out of its hardware lineup which will inevitably remain bound and locked to thermal limitation in this specific design, indeed, gpu overvolt alone if stable should result in consistent 5%+ increase gpu score on 3DMARK,

here are tests i run on the new untouched 7670 with original paste from Dell, this unit had a much better binned cpu I was able to further undervolt it in certain stages of testing, i did not try to achieve the best score possible in each stage, i am sure these scores can be further improved, i run two tests and recorded the better score in each phase, specific CPU undervolt settings used for this unit -174.8mV on CPU Core with IccMax 255.75 -29.3mV on Intel GPU -29.3mV on CPU P Cache with IccMax 255.75 -29.3mV on iGPU Unslice -69.3mV on Sytem Agent -29.3mV on E cache Long Power PL1 set to 91W (FYI Default should be 55 not 85 on TS!) all Cores set to 4.7Mhz (GPU Core Clock +200Mhz overvolt using MSI Afterburner (memory clocks can be overvolted +1000Mhz but shows no score improvements)) in the end it is acting the same as the pervious one with similar results and scores even with Dell's paste, which leads to the conclusion that the thermal solution in this beast is simply insufficient even with Dell engineers castrating both cpu and gpu it is just not enough to contain this monster cpu and gpu at the same time or either these on their own. Bios Balanced -> 3DMARK Score: 4572 Graphics Score: 4664 CPU Score: 4113 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31887499 Bios Cool -> 3DMARK Score: 5206 Graphics Score: 4811 CPU Score: 9739 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31887788 Bios Ultimate -> 3DMARK Score: 9869 Graphics Score: 9927 CPU Score: 9554 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31888414 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine -> 3DMARK Score: 9898 Graphics Score: 9926 CPU Score: 9746 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31889453 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine + Resizable BAR -> 3DMARK Score: 9956 Graphics Score: 9999 CPU Score: 9720 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31890095 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off -> 3DMARK Score: 10124 Graphics Score: 10113 CPU Score: 10192 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31890707 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock -> 3DMARK Score: 10614 Graphics Score: 10687 CPU Score: 10224 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31891381 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock + Secret Sauce -> 3DMARK Score: 11132 Graphics Score: 10710 CPU Score: 14335 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31892178 Bios Cool + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock + CPU Undervolt -> CB23 Score: 22332 Bios Cool + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock + CPU Undervolt + Secret Sauce -> CB23 Score: 22263 Bios Cool + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock + CPU Undervolt + Secret Sauce + single channel 8GB SODIMM -> CB23 Score: 21990 Bios Ultimate + LoadLine + Resizable BAR + Hybrid Display off + GPU 200Mhz Overclock + Secret Sauce + single channel 8GB SODIMM -> 3DMARK Score: 10786 Graphics Score: 10537 CPU Score: 12458 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/31897743

just the other day before i heard from Dell back i heard from the private user who pm'd me about his vbios, in preparation i deployed a new installation first using support assist from dell to deploy win11 pro, during the setup and after before i tweaked anything i was reminded why i got the replacement in the first place, i was idling at 86-90c doing nothing just like the video after a fresh install from Dell itself, i didn't like that predicament and went for a new manual install of my enterprise win11 version, it too overheated but after tinkering i brought it down to 56-60c at idle, there's no heat buffer left to get this station to work properly imho, im just disappointed by Dell efforts to pack eye candy that doesn't really work properly just packaged well and backed by undefeatable support backend,

no other manufacturer has the support Dell offers and why we flock to their offering, Razer 17 did have 4x m.2 slots the best of my recollection (i could be wrong), MSI has a lower finish and material quality but offer unparalleled performance in their cheap chassis, i don't think we are whining and complaining per say, just looking for value for our buck, any basic computer hardware now days can do just about any task, the question is how it is performed, imagine you bought a new car and on the next day driving to work it over heated, how would you feel about your new car if every new customer reported the same issues? given that a 20 year old car can drive to work without breaking down just like an old pc can do allot just slower, if i paid 500$ for a 20 year old car and it breaks down ill deal with it, buying a brand new spanking car that has issues just idling is not an adventure i want to invest time and effort in,

I'm sure they are working on the next iteration as we speak, it wont be any time soon prob mid to end of next year, Lenovo, MSI, Asus, and Razer all have workstations in the same class i believe, they are just not A-La-Cart and or business class oriented the way Dell is, they are less popular or known in the wild but they are out there,

on the topic of equivalent workstation solutions out there Razer Blade Pro 17 also has 4 ssd slots, 4 ram slots, and vapor chamber design in a sleek premium milled aluminum chassis (not a fan of the 3 green snakes on the back of the lid but that's negligible), tested 2 cpu generations back with excellent performance for its class (the 15 inch model too), i was able to get in touch with the member who reported 157W TDP on his 7670, unfortunately it turned out to be a user error, he was looking at the wrong item value, this the response I received from Dell engineer regarding VRAM and TDP limitations, both units have been scheduled to be picked up going back to Dell on Friday, Hopefully they will come out with a better product design and implementation going forward, reluctantly I will not be perusing the 7X70 platform,

my 7670 out of the box was and still idling at 86c doing nothing! even after repasting if the unit is left on "balanced" or "Maximum performance" bios power plan it will overheat at idle with LM TIM! from that point on the board will drastically ring cpu down to combat heat buildup even for just popping up start menu,

AFAIK rbar control in nvidia settings is currently reserved only for desktop 30 series and up,

huh... my system info does show dynamic boost = yes option

@Aaron44126 ive swapped nvidia drivers back and forth changed bios setting yet no matter what i did i do not show rbar option in nvidia system settings, wondering what's the difference's (this is unrelated to the bios cpu rbar command i posted earlier)

interesting, i do not show rbar settings in nvidia cpanel at all, didn't see it there before or after applying, maybe its the driver differences, my rbar setting were off before i applied the new key found, you did beat my score, more important you proved to yourself, myself and everyone following that LM is not critical, further more it is now clear as day how badly the dGpu is healed back, me too, i saw it and immediately thought of you :) i think its a relic entry from spinning hdd days,

@Aaron44126 found this nested in bios settings... setup_var CpuSetup 0x1FC 0x1 # Acoustic Noise Mitigation (default 0x0 = off)

going by 3DMARK cpu score i saw ≥ 50% performance increase, before i added the second stick i got around 9k now 15.8k, you can scroll back you will find my earlier scores posted (i may have deleted them though from my 3DMARK account record),

i too suspect there may be some config changes, will find out :) i noticed you got a better score than i reached, that's encouraging, pretty sure once you add the second stick you will also beat my cpu score, which should prove these high scores can be achieved without LM, just proper settings configured, i am also curious to find out how this will pan out with my new system without repasting etc.,

LM does seem to improve performance though i was also able to get the same score in CB23 without LM, i will test the new system once i resolve all the issues on this one i will be sending back, with the new system i plan to apply all tweaks and vbios to a none modified system and take it from there, i run the new system for bit it seem to run very cool out of the box compared the first unit, this unit also had some screen issues when i first turned it on it went black and refused to run plugged in, i accidently turned it on as i was packing it back unplugged and it run, as soon as i plug in the cord it refused to boot again, i messed around with bios and did a full reinstall to resolve that but i already called support and they issued the new unit before i did all that, my intensions is not to run the system at its highest setting daily, i do want to find out what's the platforms capability is, i will run the system daily on cool settings and keep things on low profile until i need to run a heavy load, not too shabby id say, you beat your previous score 😉 cant wait to see your results after you add a second stick,

that's another 50% performance left on the table!!! especially in mixed application like nvidia and cpu working together, one of the reasons my cpu score went up from 9k to where it is now is due to adding a second 8g sodimm ram stick, for a total of 16gb ram and along the way activating dual channel mode which increases performance, i wanted to save on Dell's expensive ram and get aftermarket 64gb kit which should arrive by the end of the month, i ordered my unit with only one 8gb sodimm stick, my replacement unit arrived so i borrowed the ram from it to test, and sure enough my cpu jumped from 9k to 15.5k just by the ram and dual channel merits,

if you game, run a session and see if you can spot a differences in-game performance,

i noticed you run slightly different CPU than me, i run with i9-12950HX you run with i7-12850HX, our results may vary slightly,

no need for the gforce experience module, just the driver itself, select custom install, uncheck experience leave the rest checked, at the bottom of the frame check "perform a clean install" and off you go, after make sure your NVidia settings you just applied didn't revert,