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if that's the case then raid on mobile precision is another sad marketing department joke, and shouldn't be used to increase but rather slowdown performance in favor of data replication priorities, there is already a built-in function for software raid in windows and in either cases when cpu is doing the striping, parity, and encryption overhead on the fly is huge performance hit on the cpu and defeats the point of having a powerful mobile workstation, just another pointless case of "lets put it in there it makes us look good, our customers don't know the difference or better" eye candy, just as they did with this poor example of thermal solution... "ahh they will buy it anyway" the "gotcha" is not my breakdown, the way i described Raid is fundamentally the basics of how raid operates to this day, this thin down version of "Intel soft raid" implementation is the "gotcha" pawning raid functionality secretly on cpu instead of a traditional more expensive separate integrated raid controller to govern the overhead, not the other way around 😉 impressive results! are you aware that the Asus Scar 17 SE with a proper vapor chamber scores higher with its 3080Ti dGpu and 12950HX CPU? GPU score is around 15k and cpu score around 17k on 3DMARK, comes to show how bad the CPU thermal bottleneck is in this chassis if external 3090 barely able to perform similar to a 3080Ti dGpu,

you also have an option to create a live image of the system from within windows with something like acronis true image before you break raid, save it to external drive and deploy it after you switch to AHCi, there is one caveat to this method, you will need to set your volume boot record manually, you can easily do this with a third party tool like AOMEI Partition Assistant off PE environment/USB boot, you could also just install a clean new windows and let windows setup recreate your volume and boot records etc., than just deploy your backup image back in without overwriting existing boot records,

if you have a another similar system running there you could prob image it over in matter of minutes 😉

if you are not too invested in the the current OS install, it would be wise to start clean now before you start accumulating precious data, you could prob backup your current user profile folder (copy paste to external drive) then move it later to the new install to save some reinstall/config time,

be advised... you cannot just switch RAID on/off (you technically can), doing so will brick your OS and you will need to reinstall from scratch! when you break a raid array (even if its one drive) the logical volume will technically mark deleted, you also cannot "switch" back and forth between AHCI and Raid without losing your data from either direction, you usually set Raid or AHCi and only than deploy your OS not after, there is no going back and forth or auto conversion between the two schema's, you also cannot switch raid back on after bricking it or switching it off expecting it to work, a new random key will be generated for encrypting the new volume data stripes, i don't believe the information or procedure contained in the article Aaron found is accurate.

precision workstation i believe are equipped with an actual raid controller chip not a software based raid, you activate raid mode in bios which in turns activates separate raid menu post boot allowing one to configure raid 0/1/5/10, the main reason i believe it is a hardware/chip based raid vs. software raid is due to the raid option available, raid above 0/1 (or JBOD) usually deployed with hardware raid not software raid mainly to offload parity calculations overhead from the cpu, I could be wrong i have not fully researched this,

@Kataphract new drives will not be automatically added after raid is initiated/activated, it is possible that additional bays are disabled in bios for safety if raid was initiated with empty slots,

@TwistedAndy that's more like it 😉 Dell 7770 i9-12950HX vs. Razer 18 i9-13900HX below we can see clearly how the top 7770 with 12950HX score fairs against the new 13900HX score, overall a 20% increase in performance (assuming that single 13900HX score is the highest it can go), if this is the 13900HX average score than performance increase in comparison is more like +45%, (average scores for the 7770 with 12950HX is about 14k on geekbench) Intel Core i9-12950HX @ 2.49 GHz 16 Cores, 24 Threads (8E+8P) Intel Core i9-13900HX @ 1.80 GHz 24 Cores, 32 Threads (16E+8P)

indeed, tough still valid it is also 50 years old and steams from days of magnetic tapes being the main backup media, taking tapes physically offsite to ones home at least once a week if not daily were the practice back in the days, today private sector has the privilege of "cloud backups", these were also normal practice back in the day, but back than it was your own private storage hardware hosted in an offsite data center,

interesting... that CPU is already on Dell's price list, with 6 more open/unknown HX sku's (2 x i5 & 4 x i7 variants) the i9-13900HX appears to be the highest upcoming i-9 Raptor Lake sku,

@TwistedAndy how do these scores fair? (not familiar with geekbench bench scores)

interesting, I've never heard of it before (i too notices the bloat ware Acronis been adding over the years i guess to stay relevant even though they don't need any of it), for my backup routine i only ever need Acronis bootable media with nothing ever installed in windows, my practice for my personal pc backup ever since XP came out, as soon as i complete installing the system initially, i activate full administrators account, before i login for the first time there's a reg key one can change to move users folder to another drive, i do the above than login to my profile which will be created on another physical or logical drive (usually root of D:\users\...), from there on my system drive "C:\..." can be backed up then recovered 1000 times without me ever losing my personal data, heck if i leave a new txt on my desktop after full drive recovery even its position will retain when i boot back in, whenever a recovery is needed its usually system side files never user data, i also have another "program files" folder in the root of D where i install most of my software, so its never lost after recovery as well, i can even install a brand new system with new SID and relocate the content of my user folder to the new system and everything works almost flawlessly (usually some reg keys might be missing or some files in program data folder but its easy to restore), the only real threat remains physical drive corruption, for that i will have 2-3 separate media where i save an image of my entire D drive with my personal user data, i also keep my C system image backup inside a systems folder under "D:\System\Backup\" drive, its a different technical approach to personal backup that worked for me many years without fail,

been an avid user of Acronis True Image for backup and restore solutions for over 20 years now, highly recommended.

did you try undervolting from there with hybrid off and ultimate power in bios, still crashing? setup_var CpuSetup 0xE 0x0 # Enable ACPI S3 Support (default 0x1)

it may been IPS, whatever they use on the XPS17 looked good enough to me, the Asus Zenbook 17" comes with OLED,

these values are pretty much intended, they opted for these values from factory, hmm... is hybrid display mode off in bios? (with it on we noticed reduced cpu performance) are you running ultimate/high performance power plan in bios as well? (you prob want to make sure you are on ultimate power plan in bios, you can balance it back with a classic windows power plan "balanced" or "power saver" for daily usage with all available power unrestricted for both cpu and dGpu) if all still fails you can report your TS crash issue on this thread.

minimum 330w brick would be pre requisite for me before i would even consider this new platform, a high refresh rate OLED with Touch screen would be a must option, a screen bezel refresh is well overdue too, (the 7670 4k OLED with Touch doesn't feel too outdated but falls way behind the sleek looking XPS17 4k OLED with Touch screen)

not a bad result for the platform, try disabling hybrid mode for improved results, the 12950HX has been seen clocking 23k for 10min loop, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlyBV7JdvRU&t=732s best i scored with the 7670 i think was around 20k for 10min and 19k for 30min loops, highly doubt it, follow steps here

not to mention at these prices you can still replace any part through Dell's warranty for free or upgrade to just about any higher spec component off ebay below half the price of buying direct plus waiting two months, these refarb units can arrive overnight or within days form ordering,

@DarginMahkum this should be a huge red flag warning but to each his own, (i returned 2x7670 with 12950HX, ordered 7770 instead hoping it has enough thermal headroom that's useable), you can grab a practically brand new 7770 with 12600HX for as low as 1k with free shipping here

if we just enable Unclewebb through one of our machines he will find the issue, unfortunately as he mentioned he has no access to latest gen cpu to test on, i believe there's some bug his expert eye needs to catch in order to fix this random crash when selecting P cache, if no one will by then i will as soon as my replacement arrives which still few weeks out from now,

need some help guys! i have opened a thread on TechPowerUp where UncleWebb has chimed in (Unclewebb is the author of ThrottleStop), i have explained some issues i was experiencing undervolting the 12950hx, in particular the issue of crashing when just enabling P-Cache undervolt feature without even undervolting, just enabling the feature will crash the 12950hx, unfortunelty i do not have my replacement system in hand yet, he will need some feedback from us with newer CPU's to help improve ThrottleStop for 12'th and 13'th gen CPU's, please chime in here to help speed ThrottleStop support for our CPU's https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/throttlestop-p-e-core-support.300650/

no!

this is just painful to see, buy the 7770 from dell online outlet store for $2,409.00, or buy the exact same config for 220% more (or 55% less) from dell online store for $5,336.04,

100% true, hmm... where did i pull 26k number from i missed that bit completely in his video, i just read off the image he posted there, in a way gaming always had an edge or bit gap over workstations usually representing bleeding edge technology not fully suited to deploy on workstations (yet), but it was never this significant where a gaming station puts to shame a flagship workstation from one of the top manufacturers, come to show how much marketing taking precedence over engineering priorities now days, which is exactly what has changed the past 10-15 years with Dell,